In article <uV+qwE7Cm6sIFAvc@perry.co.uk>, roland@perry.co.uk (Roland
Perry) wrote:

> In message , at 
> 23:48:17 on Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Alasdair  
> remarked:
> >I have come across several cases where roads have been named by
> >developers.  There is a street in Grimsby called Thorgam Court named
> >after the builders Thornber and Gammon.
> 
> There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!

No harder than "Gwydir".

> >There are two streets in Ballachulish called Elizabeth Terrace and 
> >Angus Terrace called after the developer's parents.
> 
> If you are allowing that kind of "naming after", then many of the 
> Victorian roads in West Bridgford are apparently named after the 
> developer's relatives... Albert, Florence, Mabel, Violet, Edward, 
> George, Henry, Millicent etc.

Ah! The Street family! Like Albert, George and Herbert in Chesterton, for
example.

-- 
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

> In article <uV+qwE7Cm6sIFAvc@perry.co.uk>, roland@perry.co.uk (Roland
> Perry) wrote:
>
>> In message , at
>> 23:48:17 on Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Alasdair 
>> remarked:
>>> I have come across several cases where roads have been named by
>>> developers.  There is a street in Grimsby called Thorgam Court named
>>> after the builders Thornber and Gammon.
>>
>> There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!
>
> No harder than "Gwydir".

Well, exactly.

>>> There are two streets in Ballachulish called Elizabeth Terrace and
>>> Angus Terrace called after the developer's parents.
>>
>> If you are allowing that kind of "naming after", then many of the 
>> Victorian roads in West Bridgford are apparently named after the 
>> developer's relatives... Albert, Florence, Mabel, Violet, Edward, 
>> George, Henry, Millicent etc.
>
> Ah! The Street family! Like Albert, George and Herbert in Chesterton, 
> for example.

All cousins of Miss Elizabeth Way, i believe.

Speaking of Chesterton, why is there a cluster of caledonian streets 
there? There's Scotland Road, Edinburgh Road, Kinross Road, Inverness 
Close, Stirling Close. The road layout makes me think that Scotland Road 
is quite old, but that the other ones, which are branches off it, are 
newer; the houses on them are certainly all brand spanking new. My guess 
would be that Scotland Road was built many years ago, and named that for 
some reason, and then the new estate was built recently, and the names 
chosen as a riff on the parent road.

tom

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Roland Perry wrote:

> In message , at 11:59:31 
> on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Tom Anderson  remarked:
>>>> There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!
>>> 
>>> No harder than "Gwydir".
>> 
>> Well, exactly.
>
> Care to enlighten us on your preferred pronunciations?

I've no idea how to pronounce either of them!

tom

-- 
First man to add a mixer get a shoeing! -- The Laird

Roland Perry wrote:
> In message , at 
> 09:30:00 on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel  
> remarked:
>>> There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!
>>
>> No harder than "Gwydir".
> 
> I can have a stab at "Gwydir" (perhaps to rhyme with "why-dear", or is 
> it "wider"),

Assuming this is the one in Cambridge, something like "G'why-der" is 
about what I knew it as, rhyming with wider, but I didn't know many 
natives to know how they might say it - the chap I know who lives in 
said street is from Herefordshire. Whitefriargate in Hull is locally 
called Whitefrargate, with a missing middle "i", but there is no way of 
knowing that.

It's Cambridge, there must be a website. Aha:
http://www.colc.co.uk/cambridge/gwydir/name.htm

"Gwydir Castle is the ancestral home of the powerful Wynn family, 
descended from the kings of Gwynedd and one of the most significant 
families of North Wales during the Tudor and Stuart periods. ... The 
Welsh "Gwydir" is pronounced differently from Cambridge, with the 
syllables rhyming with "squid" and "beer". Our "Gwydir" in Cambridge 
rhymes with "rider".



> but "Docwra" seems superficially unpronounceable as there's 
> a middle vowel missing; "Doc-wer-ah" maybe, or is it "doe-cur-uh"



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Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK