The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is 
totally useless as all of the windows open. The unit on the bus I've 
just been on (today being the hottest day of the year) looks like it had 
given up as there was water pouring out of a unit on the ceiling every 
time we turned a corner!

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart 
wrote:

>The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is 
>totally useless as all of the windows open.
Seems opening windows be it a hot day or cold when they get on board a
bus is an obsession with some people.

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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart 
> wrote:
>
>>The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is
>>totally useless as all of the windows open.
> Seems opening windows be it a hot day or cold when they get on board a
> bus is an obsession with some people.
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Surely it would not be beyond the realms of possibility to lock the windows 
in hot weather so that the air conditioning can function properly?

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:15:22 +0100, "RobWilton"
 wrote:

>
> wrote in message 
>news:a65k84p2kj6bsscp424gmnb9rot2bu06ul@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is
>>>totally useless as all of the windows open.
>> Seems opening windows be it a hot day or cold when they get on board a
>> bus is an obsession with some people.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Surely it would not be beyond the realms of possibility to lock the windows 
>in hot weather so that the air conditioning can function properly? 
Aircon works keeping vehicles at a constant tempriture so no need to
incorporate opening windows in winter or summer .Virgin train coaches
are a good example I travel winter and summer and the coaces allways
seem to be cool on the hottest of days .

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart 
wrote:

>The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is 
>totally useless as all of the windows open. The unit on the bus I've 
>just been on (today being the hottest day of the year) looks like it had 
>given up as there was water pouring out of a unit on the ceiling every 
>time we turned a corner!

Was it actually aircon, or just the giant fans in the back that just
suck air out (and so in through the windows)?

Neil

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:43:46 GMT, mymail@hotmail.com wrote:

>Aircon works keeping vehicles at a constant tempriture so no need to
>incorporate opening windows in winter or summer .

Except that aircon isn't 100% reliable, so some (normally locked)
opening windows are a sensible precaution for the event that it fails
to save the vehicle becoming unbearable to travel in.

Neil

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:49:11 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart 
>wrote:
>
>>The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is 
>>totally useless as all of the windows open. The unit on the bus I've 
>>just been on (today being the hottest day of the year) looks like it had 
>>given up as there was water pouring out of a unit on the ceiling every 
>>time we turned a corner!
>
>Was it actually aircon, or just the giant fans in the back that just
>suck air out (and so in through the windows)?

On the 102 it would be the latter - a new Enviro 400. There is only bus
in London on TfL routes that has had proper air conditioning when built
(a sole vehicle with First in West London) and I believe it has had the
air con removed as it was so unreliable.

The air cooling units can work well but ideally the windows do need to
be shut.
-- 
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:41:45 +0100, Paul Corfield
 wrote:

>The air cooling units can work well but ideally the windows do need to
>be shut.

Presumably this is so the fans cause the air to be drawn through the
whole upper deck from the vents at the front?  That said, these units
(while very effective at preventing steam-up and making buses not
smell of buses any more) do not provide any perceptible cooling
effect, as they don't move enough air, hence why the windows end up
open.

They aren't air-cooling units, IOW, they're just extractor fans.

Neil

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Paul Corfield wrote:

> On the 102 it would be the latter - a new Enviro 400. There is only bus
> in London on TfL routes that has had proper air conditioning when built
> (a sole vehicle with First in West London) and I believe it has had the
> air con removed as it was so unreliable.

I thought the buses used for the "Millennium Transit" from Charlton to 
the tent had proper aircon installed, though I stand for correction on that?

Cheers,

Barry

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:12:01 +0100, Barry Salter
 wrote:

>Paul Corfield wrote:
>
>> On the 102 it would be the latter - a new Enviro 400. There is only bus
>> in London on TfL routes that has had proper air conditioning when built
>> (a sole vehicle with First in West London) and I believe it has had the
>> air con removed as it was so unreliable.
>
>I thought the buses used for the "Millennium Transit" from Charlton to 
>the tent had proper aircon installed, though I stand for correction on that?

But they've all been sold or scrapped.  You might be correct - I
honestly can't remember whether those DAF things did have air con or
not.
-- 
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:12:20 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:43:46 GMT, mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Aircon works keeping vehicles at a constant tempriture so no need to
>>incorporate opening windows in winter or summer .
>
>Except that aircon isn't 100% reliable, so some (normally locked)
>opening windows are a sensible precaution for the event that it fails
>to save the vehicle becoming unbearable to travel in.
I am a person who only knows how to drive vehicles not what goes on
under the bonnet can any one tell me why or what causes a car or any
other vehicle  fitted with aircon use more fuel when the aircon is in
use ? . I only came by this information today otherwise I would not
have been giving the aircon in the new car so much stick this week ,
no mention in the handbook regarding the aircon using fuel !.

mymail@hotmail.com gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

> I am a person who only knows how to drive vehicles not what goes on
> under the bonnet can any one tell me why or what causes a car or any
> other vehicle  fitted with aircon use more fuel when the aircon is in
> use ? . I only came by this information today otherwise I would not have
> been giving the aircon in the new car so much stick this week , no
> mention in the handbook regarding the aircon using fuel !.

The compressor for the aircon doesn't just spin round on it's own. It's 
belt-driven from the engine, and requires effort to turn it. That effort 
puts extra load on the engine, which requires fuel.

OTOH, NOT using the aircon is the best way to make sure it doesn't work. 
The seals dry out, and the gas escapes.

In message , Neil Williams 
 writes
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:43:46 GMT, mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Aircon works keeping vehicles at a constant tempriture so no need to
>>incorporate opening windows in winter or summer .
>
>Except that aircon isn't 100% reliable, so some (normally locked)
>opening windows are a sensible precaution for the event that it fails
>to save the vehicle becoming unbearable to travel in.

On Connex they sorted this issue (of idiot passengers) by introducing 
lockable windows, so they (the operator) can open them if the aircon 
fails; but otherwise leave them locked shut.


-- 
Paul G
Typing from Barking

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart 
> wrote:
> 
>> The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is 
>> totally useless as all of the windows open.
> Seems opening windows be it a hot day or cold when they get on board a
> bus is an obsession with some people.
> 

Nah, we just like to have some fresh air blowing around us and don't 
want to sit sweltering in the heat. Perhaps you should put on an extra 
layer if you're feeling a bit parky, while we're all boiling away?

Cheers

Steve M

Well then,many of you will be excited and delighted to know that several of 
those ex-tent vehicles are still extant (Sorry !) and happily struggling 
around Dublin.

First Groups Irish subsidiary Aircoach has been utilizing them on a recently 
gained contract servicing a circular route around Dublins Phoenix Park.

The air-con however appears to be non functional although the Daf`s still 
purport to run (occasionally)  on Gas of some description.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:56:51 +0100, Steve M 
wrote:

>mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is 
>>> totally useless as all of the windows open.
>> Seems opening windows be it a hot day or cold when they get on board a
>> bus is an obsession with some people.
>> 
>
>Nah, we just like to have some fresh air blowing around us and don't 
>want to sit sweltering in the heat. Perhaps you should put on an extra 
>layer if you're feeling a bit parky, while we're all boiling away?

Just the opposite actually Steve when the temps start to sore above 60
I start praying for winter to come, I hate heat but there is a big
difference between sitting in a cool enviroment and sitting three
seats back from someone who has just boarded a bus and immediately
opens the window next to his/her seat. They of course do not feel any
benefit from their actions at all  and people in these seats do not
want or feel the need to have a cold breeze blowing in their faces
otherwise they would open the windows themselves. The best or worst of
this is the "open window fanatic" gets of the bus at the next stop the
offending window gets closed again and we all start enjoying our
journey again .

Neil Williams wrote:

> Was it actually aircon, or just the giant fans in the back that just
> suck air out (and so in through the windows)?

It's got 3 big fansa at the back and a unit above the stairs. Between 
the 2, along the right hand ceiling of the top deck (where the adverts 
usually are) is a line of slots from which comes the cold air.

There was actually cold air coming from them yesterday, the water 
stopped pouring out of th stair unit once a few of the windows were 
closed. The driver mentioned a malfunctioning air conditioning unit on 
the PA system

On 26 Jul, 13:23, Stuart  wrote:
> Neil Williams wrote:
> > Was it actually aircon, or just the giant fans in the back that just
> > suck air out (and so in through the windows)?
>
> It's got 3 big fansa at the back and a unit above the stairs. Between
> the 2, along the right hand ceiling of the top deck (where the adverts
> usually are) is a line of slots from which comes the cold air.
>
> There was actually cold air coming from them yesterday, the water
> stopped pouring out of th stair unit once a few of the windows were
> closed. The driver mentioned a malfunctioning air conditioning unit on
> the PA system

The new 135 route seems to have the same kind of unit on the upper
deck.