At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at 
Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was 
no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded 
something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".

Where might it have been parked?
What wanderings do Circle Line services do?

I have occasionally been on a Circle or H&C service which has suddenly 
transformed itself into the other sort of service but have not 
previously seen this sort of presentation.

<http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_SOI_REQUEST?language=en&type=
stop&id=1000004> implies the Circle Line serves Aldgate East. Similar 
pages suggest the Circle goes as far as Barking. !!

OTOH, it is not reported to go to Royal Oak - on the way to the 
Hammersmith sidings - or to Earls Court on the way to Wimbledon or 
Kensington Olympia.
-- 
Walter Briscoe

Walter Briscoe wrote:

> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at 
> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no 
> mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something 
> akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".
>
> Where might it have been parked?
> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?

Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of 
C-stock trains are berthed nightly.

I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a 
degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least 
because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at 
Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service.

Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train 
would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service!

Chris

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:52:33 +0100, "Chris Read"
 wrote:

>
>Walter Briscoe wrote:
>
>> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at 
>> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no 
>> mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something 
>> akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".
>>
>> Where might it have been parked?
>> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?
>
>Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of 
>C-stock trains are berthed nightly.
>
>I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a 
>degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least 
>because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at 
>Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service.
>
>Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train 
>would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service!

Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to
Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching
Liverpool Street/Tower Hill?

James Farrar wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:52:33 +0100, "Chris Read"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> Walter Briscoe wrote:
>>
>>> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train
>>> at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE".
>>> There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA
>>> sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via
>>> Liverpool Street".
>
> Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to
> Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching
> Liverpool Street/Tower Hill?

Then people going to Notting Hill Gate would get off at Mile End 
unneccessarily...

John Rowland wrote:

> James Farrar wrote:
>>Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to
>>Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching
>>Liverpool Street/Tower Hill?
> 
> Then people going to Notting Hill Gate would get off at Mile End 
> unneccessarily...

They'd get there considerably quicker if they did.

Colin McKenzie

-- 
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the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as 
walking.
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:17:55 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:

> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at 
> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was 
> no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded 
> something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".
> 
> Where might it have been parked?
> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?

It is not unusual for a train to be taken from Circle Line service and out
to Aldgate East or even Whitechapel and then sent on its way as if it had
gone through Aldgate - the effect is to turn the train.

The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just
Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably
being turned.

-- 
Phil Reynolds
DON'T MAIL IN RESPONSE - I am unlikely to read it
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Phil Reynolds wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:17:55 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>
>> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at
>> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There
>> was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded
>> something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool
>> Street".
>>
>> Where might it have been parked?
>> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?
>
> It is not unusual for a train to be taken from Circle Line service
> and out to Aldgate East or even Whitechapel and then sent on its way
> as if it had gone through Aldgate - the effect is to turn the train.
>
> The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just
> Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably
> being turned.

Yeah. Have seen a C stock arrive at Mile End w/b on Circle Line duty 
early on a Sunday too. I just imagined it had started life at 
Plaistow/Barking.

I also saw a C stock at Mile End one Saturday evening a few years back, 
but that was when Chelsea were playing West Ham. So it was some sort of 
special added for the football traffic I'd imagine. I didn't see the 
front of the train, but the indicator at the time said Wimbledon.

On Jul 21, 6:59 pm, "Stephen O'Connell"  wrote:
> Phil Reynolds wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:17:55 퍝, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>
> >> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at
> >> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There
> >> was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded
> >> something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool
> >> Street".
>
> >> Where might it have been parked?
> >> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?
>
> > It is not unusual for a train to be taken from Circle Line service
> > and out to Aldgate East or even Whitechapel and then sent on its way
> > as if it had gone through Aldgate - the effect is to turn the train.
>
> > The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just
> > Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably
> > being turned.
>
> Yeah. Have seen a C stock arrive at Mile End w/b on Circle Line duty
> early on a Sunday too. I just imagined it had started life at
> Plaistow/Barking.
>
> I also saw a C stock at Mile End one Saturday evening a few years back,
> but that was when Chelsea were playing West Ham. So it was some sort of
> special added for the football traffic I'd imagine. I didn't see the
> front of the train, but the indicator at the time said Wimbledon.-

Years ago I saw a C stock train at Richmond with Edgware Road as the
destination.  I've never worked out why any such move would be
necessary.

Nowadays, the Barking sidings are mainly used for C stock, with the
odd bit of D stock, but I think before the Jubilee extension and its
effects on Neasden, there wasn't much C stock stabled at Barking, but
some was stabled at Neasden.  I wondered how they went into service
from there, but I never saw it happening.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:14:46 +0100, James Farrar wrote:

>>> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at 
>>> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no 
>>> mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something 
>>> akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".
>>>
>>> Where might it have been parked?
>>> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?
>>
>>Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of 
>>C-stock trains are berthed nightly.
>>
>>I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a 
>>degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least 
>>because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at 
>>Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service.
>>
>>Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train 
>>would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service!
>
>Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to
>Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching
>Liverpool Street/Tower Hill?

This reminds me of the late evening (and weekend, during engineering
works) D Stock services from Ealing Broadway and Richmond to High St
Kensington. This is impossible on the current Tube Map, so should they
be advertised as Earl's Court as far as Earl's Court? (The light-box
indicator at Acton Town actually does this, as it doesn't have HSK.)

I'm also reminded of westbound H&C services at (e.g.) Farringdon,
which are advertised as "Hammersmith via Shepherd's Bush" (both on the
dot matrix indicators and the fronts of the trains), despite the
current SSL service pattern making Hammersmith via Notting Hill Gate
rather unlikely.

"asdf" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:pc2984tt448gcu860c75545bb7d8qhe6dn@4ax.com...

> This reminds me of the late evening (and weekend, during engineering
> works) D Stock services from Ealing Broadway and Richmond to High St
> Kensington. This is impossible on the current Tube Map ...

That's why the drivers have to carry a copy of the London Connections map, 
where fortunately the route remains available...  :-)

Paul S

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:28:39 +0100, asdf <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:14:46 +0100, James Farrar wrote:
>
>>>> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at 
>>>> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no 
>>>> mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something 
>>>> akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".
>>>>
>>>> Where might it have been parked?
>>>> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?
>>>
>>>Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of 
>>>C-stock trains are berthed nightly.
>>>
>>>I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a 
>>>degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least 
>>>because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at 
>>>Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service.
>>>
>>>Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train 
>>>would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service!
>>
>>Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to
>>Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching
>>Liverpool Street/Tower Hill?
>
>This reminds me of the late evening (and weekend, during engineering
>works) D Stock services from Ealing Broadway and Richmond to High St
>Kensington. This is impossible on the current Tube Map, so should they
>be advertised as Earl's Court as far as Earl's Court? 

Arguably, although both Ealing Bdy - Earl's Court and Earl's Court -
HSK are District line, I think it's OK. The Circle line never goes to
Barking!