On 30 Jun, 17:33, Scott  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:13:39 퍝, Michael Hoffman
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> <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid> wrote:
> >Scott wrote:
> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:38:15 퍝, Michael Hoffman
> >> <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid> wrote:
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> >>> Scott wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:57:07 퍝, Michael Hoffman
> >>>> <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid> wrote:
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> >>>>> Scott wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:34:22 퍝, "tim....."
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> >>>>>>> "Scott"  wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:dluf64dtv49eatav0onpv2uc2f35q2tvv4@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:02:46 퍝, Michael Hoffman
> >>>>>>>> <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>> Scott wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 퍝, Michael Hoffman
> >>>>>>>>>> <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>> Scott wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ODTC 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oyster is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to buy this Travelcard option.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
> >>>>>>>>>>>> twice.  An interesting point that I had not thought of.  But will the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
> >>>>>>>>>>> No.
> >>>>>>>>>> So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
> >>>>>>>>>> to an off-peak rail ticket?
> >>>>>>>>> There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.> >>>>>>>> There must be a price differential between (1) buying a ticket from a
> >>>>>>>> place outside London to the London terminus and (2) buying a ticket
> >>>>>>>> from the same place to Zones 1-2.  That was the question.  I do not
> >>>>>>>> know all the terminology.
> >>>>>>> Actually, if you are stupid enough to buy a ticket to zone 1, the
> >>>>>>> differential is 8 pounds per return ticket.
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> >>>>>>> If you buy a travel card, from my local station the extra costs is about
> >>>>>>> 3.50 without a railcard or 2.30 with.
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> >>>>>> I am not sure what you are comparing with what here.
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> >>>>>> Taking a step back, you and Michael have made my point very well.  I
> >>>>>> am entirely disinterested in having to think about the intricacies of
> >>>>>> ticketing theory before making a journey on public transport.  I just
> >>>>>> want to wave the blue card about and get on my way.
> >>>>> Go ahead and do so, you'll just pay a few more quid each day if you do
> >>>>> it that way. But please don't try to eliminate the option for those who
> >>>>> would prefer to save that money.
> >>>> There are winners and losers in every change.  Fares are set to
> >>>> produce an intended level of revenue.  Any zonal system distributes> >>>> the cost fairly crudely between users.  There is no reason why Oyster
> >>>> card should result in higher fares overall.  It is just a matter of> >>>> setting the level of fares to produce the required revenue.
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> >>>> A clue here is in the name - Transport FOR London.
> >>> Travelcards are not a TfL-exclusive product.
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> >>>> Those living elsewhere just have to fit in.
> >>> Apparently, for now you are just going to have to fit in. Sorry if you> >>> don't like it.
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> >> I am fitting in.  I buy my ticket to London whether by train or plane> >> and use my Oyster card (which is brilliant by the way) when I get
> >> there.  I am perfectly happy.
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> >> I think other people should fit in and stop whingeing.
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> >Who was whingeing? I'm happy to use the system the way it is. I'm not
> >the one who suggested that things be changed to suit me.
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> Those wanting to obstruct the use of Oyster by raising esoteric
> objections.

No one is trying to do that.  However, the authorities seem to be
trying to obstruct the use of existing ticket types by living in a
fantasy world where Oyster provides an alternative, when it does not
(yet [if ever]).