On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:40:26 +0100, "tim....."
 wrote:

>
>"Scott"  wrote in message 
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>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:34:22 +0100, "tim....."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Scott"  wrote in message
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>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:02:46 +0100, Michael Hoffman
>>>> <cam.ac.uk@mh391.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Scott wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
>>>>>> <cam.ac.uk@mh391.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> ODTC +
>>>>>>>>> return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless
>>>>>>>>> Oyster is
>>>>>>>>> going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still
>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>> be able to buy this Travelcard option.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
>>>>>>>> twice.  An interesting point that I had not thought of.  But will 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
>>>>>> to an off-peak rail ticket?
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.
>>>>
>>>> There must be a price differential between (1) buying a ticket from a
>>>> place outside London to the London terminus and (2) buying a ticket
>>>> from the same place to Zones 1-2.  That was the question.  I do not
>>>> know all the terminology.
>>>
>>>Actually, if you are stupid enough to buy a ticket to zone 1, the
>>>differential is 8 pounds per return ticket.
>>>
>>>If you buy a travel card, from my local station the extra costs is about
>>>3.50 without a railcard or 2.30 with.
>>>
>> I am not sure what you are comparing with what here.
>>
>> Taking a step back, you and Michael have made my point very well.  I
>> am entirely disinterested in having to think about the intricacies of
>> ticketing theory before making a journey on public transport.  I just
>> want to wave the blue card about and get on my way.
>>
>> I am sure most passengers have no interest in 'out-boundary
>> Travelcards', 'zone edge options' or anything else.  They just want ot
>> get from A to B.  What we need is a simply system that is easy to
>> understand and easy to use.
>>
>> Oyster card is the way forward.  Bring it on.
>
>The problem here isn't the willingness of TFL to implement, or the user to 
>use, it's the (lack of) willingness of the TOCs to install Oyster validators 
>at their stations.  Until that happens, the idea is a non-starter, so no 
>amount of coercion will make the many South Londoners who have no local 
>underground station, use Oyster this way.
>
>tim
>
I understand that.  My argument is that after the TOCs install Oyster
validators in all stations in the TfL area Oyster card should become
ths sole form of One Day Travelcard.  The thread has launched off in
two directions and I have posted a longer explanation elsewhere.

I understand the any lack of willingness of the TOCs will be resolved
when they discover the terms of the next franchise deal.