If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route -
don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at
your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid
maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer
stations.

B2003

On Jun 14, 5:43 pm, thagor2...@googlemail.com wrote:
> If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
> doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route -
> don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at
> your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid
> maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer
> stations.
>
> B2003

Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four?

On Jun 14, 6:21 pm, MIG  wrote:
> On Jun 14, 5:43 pm, thagor2...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
> > doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route -
> > don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at
> > your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid
> > maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer
> > stations.
>
> > B2003
>
> Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four?

Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty
fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or
wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same
station.

B2003

thagor2008@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Jun 14, 6:21 pm, MIG  wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 5:43 pm, thagor2...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
>>> doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route -
>>> don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at
>>> your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid
>>> maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer
>>> stations.
>>> B2003
>> Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four?
> 
> Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty
> fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or
> wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same
> station.

Isn't anything longer than two hours assumed to be two separate journeys?

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:16:20 +0100, Dave Newt wrote:

>>>> If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
>>>> doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route -
>>>> don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at
>>>> your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid
>>>> maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer
>>>> stations.
>>>> B2003
>>> Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four?
>> 
>> Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty
>> fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or
>> wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same
>> station.
>
>Isn't anything longer than two hours assumed to be two separate journeys?	

According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months
ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station are:

- Within 15 minutes: no charge
- Over 15 minutes apart: £8

I've never tried it, though.

asdf <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months
> ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station are:
> 
> - Within 15 minutes: no charge
> - Over 15 minutes apart: ?8
> 
> I've never tried it, though.

I have a couple of years ago (tried to catch a coach, went halfway, lack of
connecting trains meant I didn't have enough time to get to the coach stop,
came back).  The gates won't let you out of the station - you have to go to
the ticket office to get them to resolve it.  I don't know what happens if
you do this at an ungated station.

Theo

On Jun 14, 11:37 pm, asdf <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:16:20 퍝, Dave Newt wrote:
> >>>> If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
> >>>> doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route -
> >>>> don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at
> >>>> your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid
> >>>> maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer
> >>>> stations.
> >>>> B2003
> >>> Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four?
>
> >> Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty
> >> fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or
> >> wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same
> >> station.
>
> >Isn't anything longer than two hours assumed to be two separate journeys?> According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months
> ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station are:
>
> - Within 15 minutes: no charge
> - Over 15 minutes apart: £8
>
> I've never tried it, though.

Well , it isn't 8 quid any more. Though knowing the journalistic
credibility of that rag it probably never was.

B2003

thagor2008@googlemail.comtyped


> On Jun 14, 11:37 pm, asdf <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:16:20 +0100, Dave Newt wrote:
> > >>>> If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
> > >>>> doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route -
> > >>>> don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch
> > >>>> out at
> > >>>> your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid
> > >>>> maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer
> > >>>> stations.
> > >>>> B2003
> > >>> Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four?
> >
> > >> Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty
> > >> fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or
> > >> wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same
> > >> station.
> >
> > >Isn't anything longer than two hours assumed to be two separate journeys?
> >
> > According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months
> > ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station are:
> >
> > - Within 15 minutes: no charge
> > - Over 15 minutes apart: £8
> >
> > I've never tried it, though.

> Well , it isn't 8 quid any more. Though knowing the journalistic
> credibility of that rag it probably never was.

> B2003

My partner touched in and out at Paddington, late one night, after
finding out he'd missed the last train to his destination. He was
charged £1.50 IIRC.

Jouney History doesn't seem to be working at present. The card has been
used (and Auto Top Ups applied) since 1 June but no journeys are
appearing.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

asdf wrote:
> According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months
> ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station are:
> 
> - Within 15 minutes: no charge
> - Over 15 minutes apart: £8
> 
> I've never tried it, though.

I have: the charge is £1.50.

I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise' 
night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same 
station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train.

I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night.  Had I not tapped out (all 
gates were open and staff directed passengers through the 
pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead.

In message <48572e8c$0$26088$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, at 04:23:31 on 
Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Thunderbug  remarked:
>I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise' 
>night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same 
>station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train.
>
>I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night.  Had I not tapped out (all 
>gates were open and staff directed passengers through the 
>pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead.

The Oyster system should have a means to do bulk refunds if the 
circumstances of such an incident is entered in. It would be an ultimate 
insult to be stuck on a tube train for several hours, then charged a 
hefty fee when you were eventually liberated.
-- 
Roland Perry

Thunderbug typed


> asdf wrote:
> > According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months
> > ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station are:
> > 
> > - Within 15 minutes: no charge
> > - Over 15 minutes apart: £8
> > 
> > I've never tried it, though.

> I have: the charge is £1.50.

> I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise' 
> night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same 
> station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train.

> I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night.  Had I not tapped out (all 
> gates were open and staff directed passengers through the 
> pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead.

Journey History records 4 minutes (much less than 15) for my partner's
entry to Paddington and he still paid £1.50.

Not really worth phoning the helpline though. 

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
> Journey History records 4 minutes (much less than 15) for my partner's
> entry to Paddington and he still paid £1.50.
> 
> Not really worth phoning the helpline though. 

I went to the ticket office window at a tube station and asked them to 
remove it... agree that small charges are not worth calling the helpline 
to reclaim, but I guess it isn't an accident that the loophole remains open.

In message  of Tue, 17 Jun 2008 
11:37:03 in uk.transport.london, Helen Deborah Vecht 
 writes
>Thunderbug typed
>
>
>> asdf wrote:
>> > According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months
>> > ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station are:
>> >
>> > - Within 15 minutes: no charge
>> > - Over 15 minutes apart: £8
>> >
>> > I've never tried it, though.
>
>> I have: the charge is £1.50.
>
>> I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise'
>> night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same
>> station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train.
>
>> I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night.  Had I not tapped out (all
>> gates were open and staff directed passengers through the
>> pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead.
>
>Journey History records 4 minutes (much less than 15) for my partner's
>entry to Paddington and he still paid £1.50.
>
>Not really worth phoning the helpline though.
>

I believe the logic is: up to 15 minutes - an in-zone fare; more than 15 
- the charges for an unfinished journey and an unstarted journey. I am 
unsure about the boundary condition. I have not got very far trying to 
persuade TfL that this behaviour needs to be documented.
-- 
Walter Briscoe

On Jun 17, 1:11 pm, Thunderbug  wrote:
> to reclaim, but I guess it isn't an accident that the loophole remains open.

You bet it isn't. Anyway the whole Oyster system is just a scam to
screw as much money out of people as possible with the debatable
sweetener of slightly faster entry and exit from stations. Given the
current levels of service on certain lines at the moment (circle,
district, victoria) LU should be paying the passengers to travel on
its 3rd world system.

B2003

> Anyway the whole Oyster system is just a scam to screw as much money 
> out of people as possible with the debatable sweetener of slightly faster 

I realised breaks of journeys get charged for but on the rail system using 
paper tickets it's acceptable to break journeys without extra charge (and 
why not?).

Cockfosters to Heathrow is £2 but go out and come back in at Covent Garden 
and it's £4.

Sure it's their ride and if you want to use it you have to pay what they 
ask - but the cost of carrying you on both journeys is the same (except for 
a bit of gate-wear as you exit and re-enter!).

Shame the cost never relates to what you pay :(

Cheers,
Dave