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date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:31:57 +0100,    group: uk.transport.london        back       
Re: Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity   
On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:55 +0100, Peter Beale 
wrote:
>We had a short visit to Paris in January and got the 3-day Zones 1-3 
>Paris Visite ticket for €19 and used it extensively on Metro, buses, 
>Montmartre funicular. We managed to use 4 of the discounted offers - Arc 
>de Triomphe, Opéra Nationale, Bâteaux Parisiens, Grand'Arche de la 
>Défense - and certainly didn't regard them as "dubious" attractions, and 
>  all in all thought it quite good value.

Yes, all good stuff, although I don't think I've ever used these
reductions.

>On previous visits I have used 
>the "Carte Orange", notably while camping out at Maisons-Laffite, but I 
>think it is not available for less than a week - and now comes in the 
>form of "Navigo" (French for Oyster!) and costing more for those not 
>resident in Ile-de-France.

Yes, it's a week or a month (or a year for the differently-branded
"Intégrale").  Unfortunately it's still a fixed week (Mon-Sun) or
month.  Even with the Carte Orange now officially available for
aliens, this "feature" prevents its use for long weekends, etc.  I
don't believe it costs more for non-residents, however, except that
the card costs 5 euros and isn't replaced if lost...

Richard.
date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:31:57 +0100   author:   Richard

Re: Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity   
Richard wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:55 +0100, Peter Beale 
> wrote:
>> We had a short visit to Paris in January and got the 3-day Zones 1-3 
>> Paris Visite ticket for €19 and used it extensively on Metro, buses, 
>> Montmartre funicular. We managed to use 4 of the discounted offers - Arc 
>> de Triomphe, Opéra Nationale, Bâteaux Parisiens, Grand'Arche de la 
>> Défense - and certainly didn't regard them as "dubious" attractions, and 
>>  all in all thought it quite good value.
> 
> Yes, all good stuff, although I don't think I've ever used these
> reductions.
> 
>> On previous visits I have used 
>> the "Carte Orange", notably while camping out at Maisons-Laffite, but I 
>> think it is not available for less than a week - and now comes in the 
>> form of "Navigo" (French for Oyster!) and costing more for those not 
>> resident in Ile-de-France.
> 
> Yes, it's a week or a month (or a year for the differently-branded
> "Intégrale").  Unfortunately it's still a fixed week (Mon-Sun) or
> month.  Even with the Carte Orange now officially available for
> aliens, this "feature" prevents its use for long weekends, etc.  I
> don't believe it costs more for non-residents, however, except that
> the card costs 5 euros and isn't replaced if lost...
> 

I realize that on checking the RATP site again - there is le passe 
Navigo for Ile-de-France residents, and le passe Navigo Découverte for 
non-residents, as you say - for some reason I had it in my mind that 
there were two scales of fares.

Peter Beale
date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:37:38 +0100   author:   Peter Beale

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