Can anyone tell me whether I can use my concessionary pass on the Red
Arrow service between Nottingham and Derby?

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Alasdair.

"Alasdair"  wrote in message 
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> Can anyone tell me whether I can use my concessionary pass on the Red
> Arrow service between Nottingham and Derby?
>

Yes.

Also Transpeak is OK.

David

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:50:07 +0100, "David Thornhill"
 wrote:

>Yes.
>
>Also Transpeak is OK.
>
>David 

Is there a list of permissible (or non-permissible) routes available?

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Alasdair.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:29:22 +0100, Alasdair 
wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:50:07 +0100, "David Thornhill"
> wrote:
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>Also Transpeak is OK.
>>
>>David 
>
>Is there a list of permissible (or non-permissible) routes available?
Well I have taken this question up with Lancs County Council and I get
the same point dodging reply " Now cards can be used on all local bus
services" and this isn't strictly true it would seem that the passes
CAN be used on "most" express services also .
Why councils/bus companies cannot take the trouble to draw up a list
of permissible services the passes can be used on is just stupid. They
made a big song and dance about how good they where being giving
people over 60 and the disabled the freedom to travel for free the
length and breadth of England by bus but have yet to publish a
definitive list of bus services they can and can't use their passes on
.
Years ago X being the first letter of a route number always told you
it was an express service but not anymore it would seem .

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:45:11 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>Why councils/bus companies cannot take the trouble to draw up a list
>of permissible services the passes can be used on is just stupid.

It wouldn't be too hard for the right people to list the routes that
they're definitely allowed on, as the definition of a local bus route
is a service that is registered with the Traffic Commissioners as one
(and thus receives Fuel Duty Rebate).

The complication is services like the UCOC X5 which I believe accepts
the passes throughout despite the fact that only parts of it (and on
different days - more on a Sunday) are registered local bus services,
and parts of it aren't.  Stagecoach themselves are presumably making
the concession because it's easier than having to issue masses of
tickets for the bits between the registrations all the time.

Neil

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:03:43 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:


>It wouldn't be too hard for the right people to list the routes that
>they're definitely allowed on, as the definition of a local bus route
>is a service that is registered with the Traffic Commissioners as one
>(and thus receives Fuel Duty Rebate).
I could make it easier for them still it really is only the X services
that are causing confusion around these parts so all it needs is a
list of X services that they're definitely allowed on , I think it
generally understood by now that the passes can be used on all
ordinary none X routes .
The X routs are very confusing Ariva have an X service on a Saturday
from Bolton to the Trafford center which passes are allowed on yet
Stagecoach run a similar service on a Saturday the X60 which stops at
the same places and follows the same route has their X61 Preston to
Shude Hill Manchester until it gets to Horwich .Then again like the
X61 it shoots none stop along the M61 and M 60 to the Trafford Center
instead of dropping down onto the A 580 and through Salford to Shude
Hill yet passes are not allowed on the X60 .
I actually challenged Stagecoach about this and their reply was the X
60 Trafford center service is axtually an EXCURSION !!!!! and what is
more the same goes for their X8 Shude Hill to Keswick service on a
Saturday which again picks up passengers at every little rathole so to
speak .

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:38:52 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>I actually challenged Stagecoach about this and their reply was the X
>60 Trafford center service is axtually an EXCURSION !!!!! and what is
>more the same goes for their X8 Shude Hill to Keswick service on a
>Saturday which again picks up passengers at every little rathole so to
>speak .  

I'm not sure it's how often it stops that counts, it's whether it's a
registered local bus service or not.  If it isn't, Stagecoach won't
get any money at all for carrying pass holders - where they do it'll
just be for their own convenience.

Whether a service has to be / can be registered in its entirety is
down to length, not stops, though a section of a longer route can be
registered.

Neil

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:14:23 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:


>I'm not sure it's how often it stops that counts, it's whether it's a
>registered local bus service or not.  If it isn't, Stagecoach won't
>get any money at all for carrying pass holders - where they do it'll
>just be for their own convenience.
>
>Whether a service has to be / can be registered in its entirety is
>down to length, not stops, though a section of a longer route can be
>registered.
I asked our local Stagecoach office about the two services I have
mentioned and apart from the Excursion bit they said the council won't
pay for these services . I will tackle the council about this and I
would also like to know how come Stagecoach are calling these services
excursions .
It isn't that I am bothered about traveling on the two services there
is only about 45 minutes between the X 8 to Keswick and the 555
service from Lancaster same with Trafford Center nearly as quick using
stop go services but I would just like an explanation of their
reasons.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:57:13 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>I asked our local Stagecoach office about the two services I have
>mentioned and apart from the Excursion bit they said the council won't
>pay for these services . 

They don't have a choice *if* they are registered local bus services
with the Traffic Commissioner, who can only reject such a registration
for a very limited set of reasons.  I suspect there might be some
reason why they can't be registered, e.g. they're too long.

Neil

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:31:19 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:57:13 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
>>I asked our local Stagecoach office about the two services I have
>>mentioned and apart from the Excursion bit they said the council won't
>>pay for these services . 
>
>They don't have a choice *if* they are registered local bus services
>with the Traffic Commissioner, who can only reject such a registration
>for a very limited set of reasons.  I suspect there might be some
>reason why they can't be registered, e.g. they're too long.
Perhaps the TC may be in a position to supply a list of routs or maybe
a list of X routs that are registered ! not sure where they are now
but when I was driving their address was Arkwright house in Manchester
.