Over the last few weeks since the advent of the concessionary bus pass
I have noticed that some drivers of one bus company " Stagecoach"have
a habit of not printing the correct details of the journey taken by
the pass holder on the ticket .
Today for instance I boarded a bus at stop A and got of at stop D but
the ticket stated that I had got on at stop A and got of at stop Z
instead of stop D the distance from stop H and Z is approximately 3
miles and four stages further on from where I actually got off . This
is going to result in myself and other rate payers of my council
paying the bus company more for my journey today than is needed out of
our council tax .
Another thing I have witnessed several drivers doing is immediately
issuing a ticket to a passenger before that passenger has stated where
he/she was actually going  . I called the operations director of 
Lancs and Cumbria stagecoach in Carlisle regarding this a guy called
Philip Smith and he said what some drivers where doing is basically
issuing a ticket for the full length of the journey even if the
passenger is only going to the next stop just to save time !! .
Do these drivers not think that they also are having to pay for their
laziness by way of the council tax they are obliged to pay also ? is
is no wonder a councilor friend of mine was winging about the passes
before they came into being back in April .
I did suggest that STC put up notices about entering the correct
details on tickets that they issue and he said can't be done we prefer
passengers to write in and send the tickets pointing out the errors
just how many oldies would go to that trouble or even thing along
those lines ? . From this statement it tells me that STG are quite
happy to be ripping of local councils up and down the country .

In news:6lvf54hh2h1s284cdf2hk62a73cmgqjb4e@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: Over the last few weeks since the advent of the concessionary bus pass
: I have noticed that some drivers of one bus company " Stagecoach"have
: a habit of not printing the correct details of the journey taken by
: the pass holder on the ticket .

Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're 
entitled to travel. Here, the driver presses a button to record the 
journey on the Wayfarer but that's it, no ticket is or needs to be issued.

Ivor

wrote in message 
news:6lvf54hh2h1s284cdf2hk62a73cmgqjb4e@4ax.com...

> Today for instance I boarded a bus at stop A and got of at stop D but
> the ticket stated that I had got on at stop A and got of at stop Z
> instead of stop D the distance from stop H and Z is approximately 3
> miles and four stages further on from where I actually got off . This
> is going to result in myself and other rate payers of my council
> paying the bus company more for my journey today than is needed out of
> our council tax .

How do you know that?

Do you know the scheme package negotiated between the bus company and the 
local council? Many details of the schemes are not in the public domain.

What you should be looking for is a driver issuing a zero value ticket for 
which he/she takes money.

David

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:46:09 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>I did suggest that STC put up notices about entering the correct
>details on tickets that they issue and he said can't be done we prefer
>passengers to write in and send the tickets pointing out the errors
>just how many oldies would go to that trouble or even thing along
>those lines ? . From this statement it tells me that STG are quite
>happy to be ripping of local councils up and down the country . 

Perhaps you might bring it to the attention of the Council concerned?
If Milton Keynes Council are anything to go by, they like to hear of
reports of incorrect running and of ticketing irregularity in order
that they can claw back a bit of subsidy.

Perhaps in this case, though, there is a flat rate being reimbursed so
the destination is unimportant?

Neil

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Put my first name before the at to reply.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> Over the last few weeks since the advent of the concessionary bus pass
> I have noticed that some drivers of one bus company " Stagecoach"have
> a habit of not printing the correct details of the journey taken by
> the pass holder on the ticket .
> Today for instance I boarded a bus at stop A and got of at stop D but
> the ticket stated that I had got on at stop A and got of at stop Z
> instead of stop D the distance from stop H and Z is approximately 3
> miles and four stages further on from where I actually got off . This
> is going to result in myself and other rate payers of my council
> paying the bus company more for my journey today than is needed out of
> our council tax .
> Another thing I have witnessed several drivers doing is immediately
> issuing a ticket to a passenger before that passenger has stated where
> he/she was actually going  . I called the operations director of 
> Lancs and Cumbria stagecoach in Carlisle regarding this a guy called
> Philip Smith and he said what some drivers where doing is basically
> issuing a ticket for the full length of the journey even if the
> passenger is only going to the next stop just to save time !! .
> Do these drivers not think that they also are having to pay for their
> laziness by way of the council tax they are obliged to pay also ? is
> is no wonder a councilor friend of mine was winging about the passes
> before they came into being back in April .
> I did suggest that STC put up notices about entering the correct
> details on tickets that they issue and he said can't be done we prefer
> passengers to write in and send the tickets pointing out the errors
> just how many oldies would go to that trouble or even thing along
> those lines ? . From this statement it tells me that STG are quite
> happy to be ripping of local councils up and down the country . 
>  

A lot of the pass schemes work on a flat fee basis,in Devon it was 
reported at 60p per pass holder carried

wrote in message 
news:6lvf54hh2h1s284cdf2hk62a73cmgqjb4e@4ax.com...
> Over the last few weeks since the advent of the concessionary bus pass
> I have noticed that some drivers of one bus company " Stagecoach"have
> a habit of not printing the correct details of the journey taken by
> the pass holder on the ticket .
> Today for instance I boarded a bus at stop A and got of at stop D but
> the ticket stated that I had got on at stop A and got of at stop Z
> instead of stop D the distance from stop H and Z is approximately 3
> miles and four stages further on from where I actually got off . This
> is going to result in myself and other rate payers of my council
> paying the bus company more for my journey today than is needed out of
> our council tax .
> Another thing I have witnessed several drivers doing is immediately
> issuing a ticket to a passenger before that passenger has stated where
> he/she was actually going  . I called the operations director of
> Lancs and Cumbria stagecoach in Carlisle regarding this a guy called
> Philip Smith and he said what some drivers where doing is basically
> issuing a ticket for the full length of the journey even if the
> passenger is only going to the next stop just to save time !! .
> Do these drivers not think that they also are having to pay for their
> laziness by way of the council tax they are obliged to pay also ? is
> is no wonder a councilor friend of mine was winging about the passes
> before they came into being back in April .
> I did suggest that STC put up notices about entering the correct
> details on tickets that they issue and he said can't be done we prefer
> passengers to write in and send the tickets pointing out the errors
> just how many oldies would go to that trouble or even thing along
> those lines ? . From this statement it tells me that STG are quite
> happy to be ripping of local councils up and down the country .
>
As others have said, it is a flat reimbursement in the order of 60p per 
journey.  The only reason a ticket is issued is to make sure that a journey 
has, in fact, been taken and recorded for the claim from the LA.

What you should be worrying about is the number of OAPs taking a journey of 
just one stop of a few yards, when they would have walked before the current 
scheme came in, rather than pay 30pence.

And the OAPs who get on at the last-but-one stop on the route, stay on at 
the terminus, and get off at the first stop on the return journey - two 
tickets at 60p each  from the ratepayers, just to save them crossing the 
road....

And the number of OAPs who now take thier OAP spouse along with them on 
their shopping trip, when previously they would have managed quite 
comfortably on their own.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:06:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>In news:6lvf54hh2h1s284cdf2hk62a73cmgqjb4e@4ax.com,
>mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
>unexplained reason:
>: Over the last few weeks since the advent of the concessionary bus pass
>: I have noticed that some drivers of one bus company " Stagecoach"have
>: a habit of not printing the correct details of the journey taken by
>: the pass holder on the ticket .
>
>Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're 
>entitled to travel. Here, the driver presses a button to record the 
>journey on the Wayfarer but that's it, no ticket is or needs to be issued.
>
>Ivor
All the buses I have traveled on have issued tickets now I just do not
know the make of ticket machine that they all use Ivor I keep meaning
to ask but from the looks of things they are a very complicated piece
of kit very much different to the "Setright" that we used to have back
in the good old days . 
The reason for the ticket it records the drivers number, journey
number,route number, date and time and concessionary pass number
used . What a passenger doesn't see is what else the machine does 
for starters I suspect it does all the calculations that a conductor
used to do by hand at end of every run and also at the end of shift or
when a driver is leaving a particular vehicle he/she removes a tape
like cassette from the bottom of the machine and takes it with him .
All the machines are the same but it would seem some companies have
older modals than others some drivers need to see the pass and tap
something onto the keypad it then issues a ticket I think I have
encountered this on Transdev company buses while with STC machines
you just put the pass on a  card reader at the back of the machine the
driver then punches in a few details and out pops the ticket . 
>Their pass is proof they're entitled to travel.
In case of a complaint the company requires the information from the
ticket .

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:17:46 +0100, "David Thornhill"
 wrote:


>
>How do you know that?
>
>Do you know the scheme package negotiated between the bus company and the 
>local council? Many details of the schemes are not in the public domain.
I put this to the guy at Stagecoach this afternoon on the phone and he
fully agreed with me and the ticket issued should be stating the
correct journey 
>What you should be looking for is a driver issuing a zero value ticket for 
>which he/she takes money.
I spent to many years working on buses not to know what a passenger
should or should not be looking for and I feel that if more passengers
where shall we say "bus wise" many more driver fiddles and
discrepancies would come to light .
When I am traveling on a bus I look at what is happening regarding all
aspects of my journey .

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:23:14 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:


>Perhaps you might bring it to the attention of the Council concerned?
>If Milton Keynes Council are anything to go by, they like to hear of
>reports of incorrect running and of ticketing irregularity in order
>that they can claw back a bit of subsidy.
My issuing council doesn't want to know about anything other than
sorting out new applications and renewals and they tell you to contact
the county council .
>Perhaps in this case, though, there is a flat rate being reimbursed so
>the destination is unimportant?
32 p in the pound is what the two bus companies that I use mainly get
for journeys taken in the daytime and a little less at other times .
But this highlights an even bigger issue I have been using buses
regularly since April and I have yet to see an inspector jump a bus
and  check tickets and I certainly haven't seen a passenger check a
ticket he /she has been issued . Now if some drivers are adopting
the couldn't care less altitude to pass holder tickets what's to stop
a driver issuing a ticket for a £ 1 fare say but only making the
ticket out for 50p !! .Most passengers either put the ticket in the
used ticket box when leaving the bus or just stick them in their
pockets or on the floor even .

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:01:07 +0100, "Ian D Henden" 
wrote:


>As others have said, it is a flat reimbursement in the order of 60p per 
>journey.  The only reason a ticket is issued is to make sure that a journey 
>has, in fact, been taken and recorded for the claim from the LA.
Not in Lancashire it isn't what bus company gets is relevant to the
time of day and length of journey here .
>What you should be worrying about is the number of OAPs taking a journey of 
>just one stop of a few yards, when they would have walked before the current 
>scheme came in, rather than pay 30pence.
Back in the days before passes buses around here ran about nearly void
of passengers now at least bus companies are getting a little bit of
money . Around here the new pass is only useful for longer journeys 
before April a pass only entitled the holder to travel within the
issuing councils area and not all that long ago our council did not
issue passes at all they dished out tokens to the value of around
20-30 pounds which before bus fares started to be increased with every
full moon covered quite a few bus journeys and where accepted by taxi
companies and trains also .

>And the number of OAPs who now take thier OAP spouse along with them on 
>their shopping trip, when previously they would have managed quite 
>comfortably on their own. 
>
You will be old one day  yourself Ian besides which everyone needs to
qualify for a pass before it is issued to them just because Joe Soap
gets a pass Mrs Soap doesn't automatically get one also if she is
under 60 years of age and not disabled . I use my pass most days of
the week and shall continue to do so except on a Sunday even though I
have a car sat at the door doing nothing. It will get used tomorrow
though I need to go out and we have been threatened with heavy rain
for most of the day and I have no intention of walking to the bus stop
when it is raining .

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:06:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're 
>entitled to travel.

According to the rules they have to.  The reason is probably to
prevent drivers sitting there continuously prodding the pass button to
make a bit of money, as it would be very visible if they did.

Neil

-- 
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Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:22:57 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>My issuing council doesn't want to know about anything other than
>sorting out new applications and renewals and they tell you to contact
>the county council .

Contact the County Council of the area you took the bus in - they'll
be the ones paying.

Neil

-- 
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Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:24:03 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:06:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
><ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're 
>>entitled to travel.
>
>According to the rules they have to.  The reason is probably to
>prevent drivers sitting there continuously prodding the pass button to
>make a bit of money, as it would be very visible if they did.
>
>Neil
Some don't issue tickets they just look at the pass I have been on
such a bus recently a "First" in Manchester I think it was .

On Jun 18, 1:12 pm, mym...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:24:03 GMT, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
>
> Williams) wrote:
> >On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:06:17 퍝, "Ivor Jones"
> ><i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're
> >>entitled to travel.
>
> >According to the rules they have to.  The reason is probably to
> >prevent drivers sitting there continuously prodding the pass button to
> >make a bit of money, as it would be very visible if they did.
>
> >Neil
>
> Some don't issue tickets they just look at the pass I have been on
> such a bus recently a "First" in Manchester I think it was .

Some of "First's" drivers in Manchester don't even do that.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT), Connaire
 wrote:

>On Jun 18, 1:12 pm, mym...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:24:03 GMT, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
>>
>> Williams) wrote:
>> >On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:06:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> ><i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >>Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're
>> >>entitled to travel.
>>
>> >According to the rules they have to.  The reason is probably to
>> >prevent drivers sitting there continuously prodding the pass button to
>> >make a bit of money, as it would be very visible if they did.
>>
>> >Neil
>>
>> Some don't issue tickets they just look at the pass I have been on
>> such a bus recently a "First" in Manchester I think it was .
>
>Some of "First's" drivers in Manchester don't even do that.
So I noticed on a few occasions.

In news:48589bbd.616154013@news.individual.net,
Neil Williams  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:06:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're
: >entitled to travel.
:
: According to the rules they have to.

Whose rules..?

: The reason is probably to
: prevent drivers sitting there continuously prodding the pass button to
: make a bit of money, as it would be very visible if they did.

The software associated with the Wayfarer system is *very* extensive and a 
whole range of reports/statistics can be generated, including how many 
times the button was "prodded" and where the bus was at the time, plus who 
was doing the prodding. I can see no need for a paper ticket.

Yes the driver *could* prod the button a few times but what would be his 
incentive to do so..? Any money made would go to the company, not the 
driver. In any case,  it would show in the stats and if there were any 
suspicions a watch could be mounted.


Ivor

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:02:58 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>Whose rules..?

Some of the Councils' rules, and I think the standard example ones.
Milton Keynes Council's rules, for certain.

>Yes the driver *could* prod the button a few times but what would be his 
>incentive to do so..? Any money made would go to the company, not the 
>driver.

You forget the less trustworthy cowboy operators who might "bribe"
drivers with a bit of extra revenue for so doing.

Smartcards solve it all, of course - a journey is then only payable if
the card was used, assuming the operator doesn't doctor the ticket
machine records.

Neil

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wrote in message 
news:gceg54lm4s4f0n2e38p6k9lc60t8isc2sh@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:01:07 +0100, "Ian D Henden" 
> wrote:
>
>
>>As others have said, it is a flat reimbursement in the order of 60p per
>>journey.  The only reason a ticket is issued is to make sure that a 
>>journey
>>has, in fact, been taken and recorded for the claim from the LA.
> Not in Lancashire it isn't what bus company gets is relevant to the
> time of day and length of journey here .
>>What you should be worrying about is the number of OAPs taking a journey 
>>of
>>just one stop of a few yards, when they would have walked before the 
>>current
>>scheme came in, rather than pay 30pence.
> Back in the days before passes buses around here ran about nearly void
> of passengers now at least bus companies are getting a little bit of
> money . Around here the new pass is only useful for longer journeys
> before April a pass only entitled the holder to travel within the
> issuing councils area and not all that long ago our council did not
> issue passes at all they dished out tokens to the value of around
> 20-30 pounds which before bus fares started to be increased with every
> full moon covered quite a few bus journeys and where accepted by taxi
> companies and trains also .
>
>>And the number of OAPs who now take thier OAP spouse along with them on
>>their shopping trip, when previously they would have managed quite
>>comfortably on their own.
>>
> You will be old one day  yourself Ian
You are quite right, madam/sir.

(pause)

But *I* shall tetain my good looks.

(another pause)

And my sense of humour!!





besides which everyone needs to
> qualify for a pass before it is issued to them just because Joe Soap
> gets a pass Mrs Soap doesn't automatically get one also if she is
> under 60 years of age and not disabled . I use my pass most days of
> the week and shall continue to do so except on a Sunday even though I
> have a car sat at the door doing nothing. It will get used tomorrow
> though I need to go out and we have been threatened with heavy rain
> for most of the day and I have no intention of walking to the bus stop
> when it is raining .

I have an OAP pass.

Used it last week.

Don't normally have to, as I have a company employee pass.

Ian.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:17:46 +0100, "David Thornhill"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> How do you know that?
>>
>> Do you know the scheme package negotiated between the bus company and the 
>> local council? Many details of the schemes are not in the public domain.
> I put this to the guy at Stagecoach this afternoon on the phone and he
> fully agreed with me and the ticket issued should be stating the
> correct journey 
>> What you should be looking for is a driver issuing a zero value ticket for 
>> which he/she takes money.
> I spent to many years working on buses not to know what a passenger
> should or should not be looking for and I feel that if more passengers
> where shall we say "bus wise" many more driver fiddles and
> discrepancies would come to light .
> When I am traveling on a bus I look at what is happening regarding all
> aspects of my journey .  
> 

God, no wonder most bus drivers are miserable and obnoxious when they 
have to deal with people like you all the time. What a mentality! Bring 
back setrights and conductors and everything will be fine. Perhaps we 
should bring back polio and sending children up chimneys as well! You 
couldn't run a bus service if your life depended on it and you aren't 
qualified to even cast an opinion, IMHO.

And for the record, as a driver for Stagecoach in Manchester - ie 
someone who is living in the real world, not in the distant past - our 
free tickets do NOT have to show where the person has got on or is 
getting off. Why we have to issue them, I do not know, but as a general 
rule I am happy to perform such tasks without needing to question my 
employers motivation.

Brian.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:23:14 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
> Williams) wrote:
> 
> 
>> Perhaps you might bring it to the attention of the Council concerned?
>> If Milton Keynes Council are anything to go by, they like to hear of
>> reports of incorrect running and of ticketing irregularity in order
>> that they can claw back a bit of subsidy.
> My issuing council doesn't want to know about anything other than
> sorting out new applications and renewals and they tell you to contact
> the county council .
>> Perhaps in this case, though, there is a flat rate being reimbursed so
>> the destination is unimportant?
> 32 p in the pound is what the two bus companies that I use mainly get
> for journeys taken in the daytime and a little less at other times .
> But this highlights an even bigger issue I have been using buses
> regularly since April and I have yet to see an inspector jump a bus
> and  check tickets and I certainly haven't seen a passenger check a
> ticket he /she has been issued . Now if some drivers are adopting
> the couldn't care less altitude to pass holder tickets what's to stop
> a driver issuing a ticket for a £ 1 fare say but only making the
> ticket out for 50p !! .Most passengers either put the ticket in the
> used ticket box when leaving the bus or just stick them in their
> pockets or on the floor even .
> 
> 

Why employ inspectors when they have a whole army of unpleasant, ageing, 
busy bodies like you to snitch?

Brian.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:15:20 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:02:58 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
><ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Whose rules..?
>
>Some of the Councils' rules, and I think the standard example ones.
>Milton Keynes Council's rules, for certain.
>
>>Yes the driver *could* prod the button a few times but what would be his 
>>incentive to do so..? Any money made would go to the company, not the 
>>driver.
>
>You forget the less trustworthy cowboy operators who might "bribe"
>drivers with a bit of extra revenue for so doing.

UK North springs to mind... Their drivers used to do this long before
the nationwide free travel thing.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:38:33 +0100, Brian Robertson
<brianro@[nospam].com> wrote:


>Why employ inspectors when they have a whole army of unpleasant, ageing, 
>busy bodies like you to snitch?
>
I will shortly be receiving a supply of stamped addressed envelopes in
the post from a lady at LCC who has been appointed by the county
council to watch over the conduct of bus companies that the council
subsidize the routs of . One thing she told me that did not surprise
me in the least considering that they employ people like yourself and
that was out of all the bus companies in Lancashire Stagecoach is the
one that she has received most complaints about .
Never forget it is we the passengers who are also council tax payers
that pay your wages at the end of each week without us you would be
reporting to the job center .
I shall be around the Manchester area on Saturday you had better do
your job correctly I could be watching you ! .

In news:fk1j54poebv2s4u4t4opssc33gbockpplp@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:38:33 +0100, Brian Robertson
: <brianro@[nospam].com> wrote:
:
:
: >Why employ inspectors when they have a whole army of unpleasant,
: >ageing, busy bodies like you to snitch?
: >
: I will shortly be receiving a supply of stamped addressed envelopes in
: the post from a lady at LCC who has been appointed by the county
: council to watch over the conduct of bus companies that the council
: subsidize the routs of . One thing she told me that did not surprise
: me in the least considering that they employ people like yourself and
: that was out of all the bus companies in Lancashire Stagecoach is the
: one that she has received most complaints about .
: Never forget it is we the passengers who are also council tax payers
: that pay your wages at the end of each week without us you would be
: reporting to the job center .
: I shall be around the Manchester area on Saturday you had better do
: your job correctly I could be watching you ! .

Shock..! Horror..! Gasp..!

Bus drivers are quaking in their boots as we speak.....................!

Ivor

In news:HEd6k.29819$8k.29287@newsfe18.ams2,
Ian D Henden  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
:  wrote in message
: news:gceg54lm4s4f0n2e38p6k9lc60t8isc2sh@4ax.com...

[snip]

: > You will be old one day  yourself Ian
: You are quite right, madam/sir.
:
: (pause)
:
: But *I* shall tetain my good looks.
:
: (another pause)
:
: And my sense of humour!!

Ah, but you forget one thing. Ron's never had a sense of humour.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> In news:fk1j54poebv2s4u4t4opssc33gbockpplp@4ax.com,
> mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
> unexplained reason:
> : On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:38:33 +0100, Brian Robertson
> : <brianro@[nospam].com> wrote:
> :
> :
> : >Why employ inspectors when they have a whole army of unpleasant,
> : >ageing, busy bodies like you to snitch?
> : >
> : I will shortly be receiving a supply of stamped addressed envelopes in
> : the post from a lady at LCC who has been appointed by the county
> : council to watch over the conduct of bus companies that the council
> : subsidize the routs of . One thing she told me that did not surprise
> : me in the least considering that they employ people like yourself and
> : that was out of all the bus companies in Lancashire Stagecoach is the
> : one that she has received most complaints about .
> : Never forget it is we the passengers who are also council tax payers
> : that pay your wages at the end of each week without us you would be
> : reporting to the job center .
> : I shall be around the Manchester area on Saturday you had better do
> : your job correctly I could be watching you ! .
> 
> Shock..! Horror..! Gasp..!
> 
> Bus drivers are quaking in their boots as we speak.....................!
> 
> Ivor
> 

I know. Isn't he just the kind of passenger than makes you want to give 
up/throw up?

Brian.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid>

Ivor - would you be kind enough please, to let me have a valid emailaddy?

TIA
Ian
idh@henden.co.uk

In news:puy6k.101128$M63.63953@newsfe13.ams2,
Brian Robertson <brianro@[nospam].com> typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: Ivor Jones wrote:
: > In news:fk1j54poebv2s4u4t4opssc33gbockpplp@4ax.com,
: > mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange,
: > unexplained reason:

[snip]

: > : Never forget it is we the passengers who are also council tax
: > : payers that pay your wages at the end of each week without us you
: > : would be reporting to the job center .
: > : I shall be around the Manchester area on Saturday you had better
: > : do your job correctly I could be watching you ! .
: >
: > Shock..! Horror..! Gasp..!
: >
: > Bus drivers are quaking in their boots as we
: > speak.....................!
:
: I know. Isn't he just the kind of passenger than makes you want to
: give up/throw up?

I hope he comes to Birmingham one day, then *I'll* be watching out for 
*him* ;-)

Ivor

In news:Raz6k.16297$aE7.9572@newsfe16.ams2,
Ian D Henden  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid>
:
: Ivor - would you be kind enough please, to let me have a valid
: emailaddy?
:
: TIA
: Ian
: idh@henden.co.uk

You have mail.

Ivor

wrote in message 
news:fk1j54poebv2s4u4t4opssc33gbockpplp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:38:33 +0100, Brian Robertson
> <brianro@[nospam].com> wrote:
> I will shortly be receiving a supply of stamped addressed envelopes in
> the post from a lady at LCC who has been appointed by the county
> council to watch over the conduct of bus companies that the council
> subsidize the routs of . One thing she told me that did not surprise
> me in the least considering that they employ people like yourself and
> that was out of all the bus companies in Lancashire Stagecoach is the
> one that she has received most complaints about .

Unusual way for a council to 'monitor' bus services isn't it????

I frankly don't believe a word of the above paragraph, and I'm neither a bus 
driver or a local authority employee - I'm just someone who uses buses now 
and again and has a casual interest in them.

And I bet if Stagecoach (or anyone else) tackled this un-named person in the 
council, she would deny making those remarks.

Like I said - I don't believe a word of this. You ought to identify yourself 
to drivers when you're out and about, mate (again, I bet you don't say boo 
to a goose.....) If I was a driver I wouldn't let you near my bus. There 
might be a few unpleasant drivers around, but in my experience as a 
passenger there are a LOT more unpleasant customers!


> Never forget it is we the passengers who are also council tax payers
> that pay your wages at the end of each week without us you would be
> reporting to the job center .
> I shall be around the Manchester area on Saturday you had better do
> your job correctly I could be watching you ! .


What a lot of cod. I wonder - did you ever want to be a bus driver and 
perhaps wasn't successful in your application? Or perhaps can't drive or 
something?   ;-)


Simon

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:54:27 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:


>I hope he comes to Birmingham one day, then *I'll* be watching out for 
>*him* ;-)
I wouldn't be seen dead in the place Ivor .

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:06:22 +0100, "Sierra Mike"
 wrote:


>What a lot of cod. I wonder - did you ever want to be a bus driver and 
>perhaps wasn't successful in your application? Or perhaps can't drive or 
>something?   ;-)

You would loose your bet mate I drove for Ribble motor services for
over 20 years and only left when rubbish stagecoach took over and
incidentally no one around here likes stagecoach or their staff .

wrote in message 
news:c31n541bodgok5e38am0j0676nuipiq5io@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:06:22 +0100, "Sierra Mike"
>  wrote:
>
>
>>What a lot of cod. I wonder - did you ever want to be a bus driver and
>>perhaps wasn't successful in your application? Or perhaps can't drive or
>>something?   ;-)
>
> You would loose your bet mate I drove for Ribble motor services for
> over 20 years and only left when rubbish stagecoach took over and
> incidentally no one around here likes stagecoach or their staff .


Fair enough - but that sort of attitude is par for the course for most of 
the big groups these days surely? Everyone remembers back to way back when, 
and when there was no such thing as First or Arriva or Stagecoach etc....

Granted, there is a lot that big groups could do differently. But I think on 
balance there have been more steps forward than back. It's just not 
realistic to expect the clock to be turned back pre-1986 is it?

Simon

In news:ou0n54lpenvn1mok1r7akq1cnka0qf5uuj@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:54:27 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
:
: >I hope he comes to Birmingham one day, then *I'll* be watching out
: >for *him* ;-)

: I wouldn't be seen dead in the place Ivor .

Don't tempt me, Ron..!

Ivor

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:06:22 +0100, "Sierra Mike"
 wrote:


>Unusual way for a council to 'monitor' bus services isn't it????

Not really.

wrote in message 
news:fk1j54poebv2s4u4t4opssc33gbockpplp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:38:33 +0100, Brian Robertson
> <brianro@[nospam].com> wrote:
>
>
>>Why employ inspectors when they have a whole army of unpleasant, ageing,
>>busy bodies like you to snitch?
>>
> I will shortly be receiving a supply of stamped addressed envelopes in
> the post from a lady at LCC who has been appointed by the county
> council to watch over the conduct of bus companies that the council
> subsidize the routs of . One thing she told me that did not surprise
> me in the least considering that they employ people like yourself and
> that was out of all the bus companies in Lancashire Stagecoach is the
> one that she has received most complaints about .
> Never forget it is we the passengers who are also council tax payers
> that pay your wages at the end of each week without us you would be
> reporting to the job center .
> I shall be around the Manchester area on Saturday you had better do
> your job correctly I could be watching you ! .

At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted your 
unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
You wont be missed.

In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:

[snip]

: At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
: your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
: You wont be missed.

Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip and 
elsewhere................

Ivor

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>
>[snip]
>
>: At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>: your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>: You wont be missed.
>
>Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip and 
>elsewhere................
No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
and know nothing one day you will waken up .

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>> : You wont be missed.
>>
>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip and 
>> elsewhere................
> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
> and know nothing one day you will waken up .

You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still 
be young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve 
becoming a moaning old busy-body?

Just wondered.

Brian.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:51:01 +0100, Brian R <brianrob@[nospam].com>
wrote:

>mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip and 
>>> elsewhere................
>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>
>You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still 
>be young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve 
>becoming a moaning old busy-body?
NO I mean you learn never trust anyone you don't know especially bus
drivers hardly any of them can do the job correctly or car salesmen it
would seem . I ordered a brand new car at 5 pm tonight and the car
salesman could not even fill in the order form correctly him being so
quick to grab the commission from the sale . I am afraid he is in for
a shock at 9 am tomorrow I intend canceling the order and going
elsewhere I have no intention of paying over ten grand to have
mistakes made with my order.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:51:01 +0100, Brian R <brianrob@[nospam].com>
> wrote:
> 
>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip and 
>>>> elsewhere................
>>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>> You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still 
>> be young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve 
>> becoming a moaning old busy-body?
> NO I mean you learn never trust anyone you don't know especially bus
> drivers hardly any of them can do the job correctly or car salesmen it
> would seem . I ordered a brand new car at 5 pm tonight and the car
> salesman could not even fill in the order form correctly him being so
> quick to grab the commission from the sale . I am afraid he is in for
> a shock at 9 am tomorrow I intend canceling the order and going
> elsewhere I have no intention of paying over ten grand to have
> mistakes made with my order. 
> 
And lose the deposit?

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:05:11 +0100, Mark B  wrote:

>mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:51:01 +0100, Brian R <brianrob@[nospam].com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip and 
>>>>> elsewhere................
>>>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>>>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>>>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>>> You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still 
>>> be young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve 
>>> becoming a moaning old busy-body?
>> NO I mean you learn never trust anyone you don't know especially bus
>> drivers hardly any of them can do the job correctly or car salesmen it
>> would seem . I ordered a brand new car at 5 pm tonight and the car
>> salesman could not even fill in the order form correctly him being so
>> quick to grab the commission from the sale . I am afraid he is in for
>> a shock at 9 am tomorrow I intend canceling the order and going
>> elsewhere I have no intention of paying over ten grand to have
>> mistakes made with my order. 
>> 
>And lose the deposit?
No deposit taken order canceled this morning .

"Brian R" <brianrob@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
news:R0U7k.61070$iv3.28355@newsfe14.ams2...
> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip 
>>> and elsewhere................
>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>
> You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still be 
> young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve becoming a 
> moaning old busy-body?
>
> Just wondered.
>

No.  Just that the concept of today's teenagers paying for *your* old age 
gives us oldies a somewhat smug feeling.... :o)

wrote in message 
news:5560645ja7tnvlsskfsqaqb6g62iafe666@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:51:01 +0100, Brian R <brianrob@[nospam].com>
> wrote:
>
>>mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip 
>>>> and
>>>> elsewhere................
>>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>>
>>You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still
>>be young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve
>>becoming a moaning old busy-body?
> NO I mean you learn never trust anyone you don't know especially bus
> drivers hardly any of them can do the job correctly or car salesmen it
> would seem . I ordered a brand new car at 5 pm tonight and the car
> salesman could not even fill in the order form correctly him being so
> quick to grab the commission from the sale . I am afraid he is in for
> a shock at 9 am tomorrow I intend canceling the order and going
> elsewhere I have no intention of paying over ten grand to have
> mistakes made with my order.

So you won't be using the bus, then?

Good.
>

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:18:29 +0100, "Ian D Henden" 
wrote:

>
>"Brian R" <brianrob@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
>news:R0U7k.61070$iv3.28355@newsfe14.ams2...
>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip 
>>>> and elsewhere................
>>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>>
>> You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still be 
>> young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve becoming a 
>> moaning old busy-body?
>>
>> Just wondered.
>>
>
>No.  Just that the concept of today's teenagers paying for *your* old age 
>gives us oldies a somewhat smug feeling.... :o) 
>
Well we all had to pay for their parents and grandparents when we
where their age problem is teenagers to day don't contribute to
anything they just hang around on street corners looking out for an
OAP to rob and hold their hands out in the job centers .

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:18:29 +0100, "Ian D Henden" 
> wrote:
> 
>> "Brian R" <brianrob@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
>> news:R0U7k.61070$iv3.28355@newsfe14.ams2...
>>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip 
>>>>> and elsewhere................
>>>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>>>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>>>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>>> You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still be 
>>> young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve becoming a 
>>> moaning old busy-body?
>>>
>>> Just wondered.
>>>
>> No.  Just that the concept of today's teenagers paying for *your* old age 
>> gives us oldies a somewhat smug feeling.... :o) 
>>
> Well we all had to pay for their parents and grandparents when we
> where their age problem is teenagers to day don't contribute to
> anything they just hang around on street corners looking out for an
> OAP to rob and hold their hands out in the job centers .  

Or in my experience 99% of them are busy working in School, followed by 
further study.

It is only in the world of the Sun or Daily Mail that *ALL* teenagers 
are thugs to be feared.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>>>
>> And lose the deposit?
> No deposit taken order canceled this morning .

That is most unusual, you'd usually have to put something down if the 
vehicle is being ordered from the factory.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:18:29 +0100, "Ian D Henden" 
> wrote:
> 
>> "Brian R" <brianrob@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
>> news:R0U7k.61070$iv3.28355@newsfe14.ams2...
>>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>>> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In news:vqM7k.122950$9x.49449@newsfe05.ams2,
>>>>> Gizmo.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> : At least you fixation with buses and public transport has diverted
>>>>> : your unhealthy fixation away from Telecoms.
>>>>> : You wont be missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for reminding him, now we'll get a bellyful in uk.telecom.voip 
>>>>> and elsewhere................
>>>> No chance Ivor I and many others of my age have come to the conclusion
>>>> that the under sixties just do not have a clue and think they know all
>>>> and know nothing one day you will waken up .
>>> You mean an age where we will all be rid of you soon and we will still be 
>>> young enough to prove that growing old doesn't have to involve becoming a 
>>> moaning old busy-body?
>>>
>>> Just wondered.
>>>
>> No.  Just that the concept of today's teenagers paying for *your* old age 
>> gives us oldies a somewhat smug feeling.... :o) 
>>
> Well we all had to pay for their parents and grandparents when we
> where their age problem is teenagers to day don't contribute to
> anything they just hang around on street corners looking out for an
> OAP to rob and hold their hands out in the job centers .  

I think you are some kind of a windup. Probably some spotty teen sat in 
his bedroom on stained sheets. Nobody could really be as unpleasant as 
you. If you really are an OAP then I fear for my future in old age 
because with a'holes like you around, surely the youth of today will 
adopt a policy of euthanasia soon.

Brian.

In news:hFn8k.66493$zs1.46371@newsfe28.ams2,
Brian R <brianrob@[nospam].com> typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:

[snip]

: I think you are some kind of a windup. Probably some spotty teen sat
: in his bedroom on stained sheets. Nobody could really be as
: unpleasant as you. If you really are an OAP then I fear for my future
: in old age because with a'holes like you around, surely the youth of
: today will adopt a policy of euthanasia soon.

Brian, Google for "Ron Chew" and Usenet - see what comes up..!

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> In news:hFn8k.66493$zs1.46371@newsfe28.ams2,
> Brian R <brianrob@[nospam].com> typed, for some strange, unexplained 
> reason:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> : I think you are some kind of a windup. Probably some spotty teen sat
> : in his bedroom on stained sheets. Nobody could really be as
> : unpleasant as you. If you really are an OAP then I fear for my future
> : in old age because with a'holes like you around, surely the youth of
> : today will adopt a policy of euthanasia soon.
> 
> Brian, Google for "Ron Chew" and Usenet - see what comes up..!
> 
> Ivor
> 

I bet most of what comes up starts with w, ends with r and is 6 letters 
long.

Brian.

Ivor Jones wrote:
> In news:hFn8k.66493$zs1.46371@newsfe28.ams2,
> Brian R <brianrob@[nospam].com> typed, for some strange, unexplained 
> reason:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> : I think you are some kind of a windup. Probably some spotty teen sat
> : in his bedroom on stained sheets. Nobody could really be as
> : unpleasant as you. If you really are an OAP then I fear for my future
> : in old age because with a'holes like you around, surely the youth of
> : today will adopt a policy of euthanasia soon.
> 
> Brian, Google for "Ron Chew" and Usenet - see what comes up..!
> 
> Ivor
> 

OK, looked, went right over my head. Sorry.

Brian.

wrote in message 
news:6lvf54hh2h1s284cdf2hk62a73cmgqjb4e@4ax.com...
> Over the last few weeks since the advent of the concessionary bus pass
> I have noticed that some drivers of one bus company " Stagecoach"have
> a habit of not printing the correct details of the journey taken by
> the pass holder on the ticket .
> Today for instance I boarded a bus at stop A and got of at stop D but
> the ticket stated that I had got on at stop A and got of at stop Z
> instead of stop D the distance from stop H and Z is approximately 3
> miles and four stages further on from where I actually got off . This
> is going to result in myself and other rate payers of my council
> paying the bus company more for my journey today than is needed out of
> our council tax .
> Another thing I have witnessed several drivers doing is immediately
> issuing a ticket to a passenger before that passenger has stated where
> he/she was actually going  . I called the operations director of
> Lancs and Cumbria stagecoach in Carlisle regarding this a guy called
> Philip Smith and he said what some drivers where doing is basically
> issuing a ticket for the full length of the journey even if the
> passenger is only going to the next stop just to save time !! .
> Do these drivers not think that they also are having to pay for their
> laziness by way of the council tax they are obliged to pay also ? is
> is no wonder a councilor friend of mine was winging about the passes
> before they came into being back in April .
> I did suggest that STC put up notices about entering the correct
> details on tickets that they issue and he said can't be done we prefer
> passengers to write in and send the tickets pointing out the errors
> just how many oldies would go to that trouble or even thing along
> those lines ? . From this statement it tells me that STG are quite
> happy to be ripping of local councils up and down the country .
>
Here in Wrexham, Arriva drivers generally issue a ticket for the whole 
journey for local services such as the no. 1 route between Wrexham and 
Chester, however if you board an X94 route bus (Chester to Barmouth via 
Wrexham but limited stops) the driver DOES ask you where you are getting 
off.
Regards   Mike.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6bqg9eF3dii43U1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:6lvf54hh2h1s284cdf2hk62a73cmgqjb4e@4ax.com,
> mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange,
> unexplained reason:
> : Over the last few weeks since the advent of the concessionary bus pass
> : I have noticed that some drivers of one bus company " Stagecoach"have
> : a habit of not printing the correct details of the journey taken by
> : the pass holder on the ticket .
>
> Why do they need to be issued a ticket..? Their pass is proof they're
> entitled to travel. Here, the driver presses a button to record the
> journey on the Wayfarer but that's it, no ticket is or needs to be issued.
>
> Ivor
>
I've always thought it odd that a ticket is issued where the customer has an 
over 60s bus pass (like me) but where the customer has a season ticket, no 
ticket is issued.
Regards   Mike.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:41:28 +0100, "Mike Cawood, HND BIT"
 wrote:


>I've always thought it odd that a ticket is issued where the customer has an 
>over 60s bus pass (like me) but where the customer has a season ticket, no 
>ticket is issued.
>Regards   Mike.
>
Drivers are obliged to issue a ticket for the journey undertaken not a
ticket for the whole journey of the bus, which I have caught some STC
drivers doing on more than one occasion Mike. Otherwise drivers could
issue a ticket to a passenger going one stop and the ticket stating
the passenger is going 20 miles or whatever with council tax payers
forking out the cash .
Only problem is that many oldies just don't give a damn can't be
bothered to check that their tickets are accurate all they care about
is getting the journey for free which they are not of course even they
themselves will be paying indirectly via their council tax .
A season ticket if I am not mistaken allows its owner to travel from A
to B as often has the holder wants and money needs to change hands
when the ticket is obtained .

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:39:24 +0100, "Mike Cawood, HND BIT"
 wrote:


>Here in Wrexham, Arriva drivers generally issue a ticket for the whole 
>journey for local services such as the no. 1 route between Wrexham and 
>Chester,
Which in fact is a fraudulent act on the part of the driver !this
means that the passengers council will have to pay for the WHOLE of
the journey which means in effect that the tax payers of the council
will have to pay indirectly .
> however if you board an X94 route bus (Chester to Barmouth via 
>Wrexham but limited stops) the driver DOES ask you where you are getting 
I bet that is a very nice journey Mike just a little to far for myself
from Preston in fact I doubt I could comfortably do it in a day from
here plus of course we are not allowed into Wales with UK passes.

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:26:53 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote in
, seen in
uk.transport.buses:

> plus of course we are not allowed into Wales with UK passes.

You don't have a UK pass. You have an *English* pass.

There's a bit of a difference, y'know!

-- 
Ross. 
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wrote in message 
news:pkmk64ldre1l4cfpk17g73hcord79d2rua@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:39:24 +0100, "Mike Cawood, HND BIT"
>  wrote:
>
>
>>Here in Wrexham, Arriva drivers generally issue a ticket for the whole
>>journey for local services such as the no. 1 route between Wrexham and
>>Chester,
> Which in fact is a fraudulent act on the part of the driver !this
> means that the passengers council will have to pay for the WHOLE of
> the journey which means in effect that the tax payers of the council
> will have to pay indirectly .

Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find out how 
the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey. In this situation it is 
easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process of asking 
passengers where they are going is very often painful. Passengers who make 
the same journey every day have to think really hard when asked this 
question.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:00:32 +0100, "D.R."  wrote:


>Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find out how 
>the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
>Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey.
Apparently our county council pay pr journey taken the women who deals
with the passes at the CC was quite perturbed when I spoke to her a
couple of weeks ago this matter had been brought to her attention by a
few other pass holders regarding the disregard by STC drivers
concerning rules and regs concerning the passes she told me .
She said she would send a quantity of SAE's for me to send any wrongly
issued tickets to her I received a dozen such envelops yesterday .  
> In this situation it is 
>easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process of asking 
>passengers where they are going is very often painful.
I thought ALL passengers where required to state their journey to the
driver not just pass holders ! .

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:00:32 +0100, "D.R."  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find out how 
>> the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
>> Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey.
> Apparently our county council pay pr journey taken the women who deals
> with the passes at the CC was quite perturbed when I spoke to her a
> couple of weeks ago this matter had been brought to her attention by a
> few other pass holders regarding the disregard by STC drivers
> concerning rules and regs concerning the passes she told me .
> She said she would send a quantity of SAE's for me to send any wrongly
> issued tickets to her I received a dozen such envelops yesterday .  
>> In this situation it is 
>> easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process of asking 
>> passengers where they are going is very often painful.
> I thought ALL passengers where required to state their journey to the
> driver not just pass holders ! .
> 

I bet you are almost getting an erection at the thought of reporting all 
those STC drivers, aren't you?

Brian.

In news:AG%ak.182510$aE7.145746@newsfe16.ams2,
D.R.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
:  wrote in message
: news:pkmk64ldre1l4cfpk17g73hcord79d2rua@4ax.com...
: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:39:24 +0100, "Mike Cawood, HND BIT"
: >  wrote:
: >
: >
: >>Here in Wrexham, Arriva drivers generally issue a ticket for the
: >>whole journey for local services such as the no. 1 route between
: >>Wrexham and Chester,
: > Which in fact is a fraudulent act on the part of the driver !this
: > means that the passengers council will have to pay for the WHOLE of
: > the journey which means in effect that the tax payers of the council
: > will have to pay indirectly .
:
: Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find
: out how the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
: Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey. In this situation
: it is easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process
: of asking passengers where they are going is very often painful.
: Passengers who make the same journey every day have to think really
: hard when asked this question.

As I mentioned before, here in the West Midlands we don't issue tickets at 
all where passes are presented. A button is pressed on the Wayfarer which 
records the journey, and that's it. The pass itself is sufficient proof of 
entitlement to travel should an inspector board and the company is paid a 
flat rate for every journey made, irrespective of distance. Hence no need 
for a paper ticket.

Ivor

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:38:51 +0100, Brian Robertson
<brianrob@[nospam].com> wrote:

>mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:00:32 +0100, "D.R."  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find out how 
>>> the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
>>> Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey.
>> Apparently our county council pay pr journey taken the women who deals
>> with the passes at the CC was quite perturbed when I spoke to her a
>> couple of weeks ago this matter had been brought to her attention by a
>> few other pass holders regarding the disregard by STC drivers
>> concerning rules and regs concerning the passes she told me .
>> She said she would send a quantity of SAE's for me to send any wrongly
>> issued tickets to her I received a dozen such envelops yesterday .  
>>> In this situation it is 
>>> easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process of asking 
>>> passengers where they are going is very often painful.
>> I thought ALL passengers where required to state their journey to the
>> driver not just pass holders ! .
>> 
>
>I bet you are almost getting an erection at the thought of reporting all 
>those STC drivers, aren't you?
>
>Brian.
Brian to put it quite bluntly go fuck yourself you can defend STC all
you want come and defend them around these parts and you would be run
out of the county . We are used to having reliable bus services around
here which STC do not provide and never have since first commenced
running bus services in the county some years ago now. I am afraid it
is God help us when J Fishwick&Sons and Bluebus close down and we have
to rely on STC for a bus service

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:13:08 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>In news:AG%ak.182510$aE7.145746@newsfe16.ams2,
>D.R.  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
>:  wrote in message
>: news:pkmk64ldre1l4cfpk17g73hcord79d2rua@4ax.com...
>: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:39:24 +0100, "Mike Cawood, HND BIT"
>: >  wrote:
>: >
>: >
>: >>Here in Wrexham, Arriva drivers generally issue a ticket for the
>: >>whole journey for local services such as the no. 1 route between
>: >>Wrexham and Chester,
>: > Which in fact is a fraudulent act on the part of the driver !this
>: > means that the passengers council will have to pay for the WHOLE of
>: > the journey which means in effect that the tax payers of the council
>: > will have to pay indirectly .
>:
>: Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find
>: out how the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
>: Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey. In this situation
>: it is easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process
>: of asking passengers where they are going is very often painful.
>: Passengers who make the same journey every day have to think really
>: hard when asked this question.
>
>As I mentioned before, here in the West Midlands we don't issue tickets at 
>all where passes are presented. A button is pressed on the Wayfarer which 
>records the journey, and that's it. The pass itself is sufficient proof of 
>entitlement to travel should an inspector board and the company is paid a 
>flat rate for every journey made, irrespective of distance. Hence no need 
>for a paper ticket.
>
>Ivor
It isn't every council that is so easy going with its tax payers money
Ivor and ours is one of them . Lancashire county council is now
Conservative controlled may heaven be praised and are more careful in
how they spend tax payers money unlike the previous labour wasters  .

On 3 Jul, 15:49, mym...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:38:51 퍝, Brian Robertson
>
>
>
> <brianrob@[nospam].com> wrote:
> >mym...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:00:32 퍝, "D.R."  wrote:
>
> >>> Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find out how
> >>> the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
> >>> Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey.
> >> Apparently our county council pay pr journey taken the women who deals
> >> with the passes at the CC was quite perturbed when I spoke to her a
> >> couple of weeks ago this matter had been brought to her attention by a
> >> few other pass holders regarding the disregard by STC drivers
> >> concerning rules and regs concerning the passes she told me .
> >> She said she would send a quantity of SAE's for me to send any wrongly
> >> issued tickets to her I received a dozen such envelops yesterday .  
> >>> In this situation it is
> >>> easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process of asking
> >>> passengers where they are going is very often painful.
> >> I thought ALL passengers where required to state their journey to the
> >> driver not just pass holders ! .
>
> >I bet you are almost getting an erection at the thought of reporting all
> >those STC drivers, aren't you?
>
> >Brian.
>
> Brian to put it quite bluntly go fuck yourself you can defend STC all
> you want come and defend them around these parts and you would be run
> out of the county . We are used to having reliable bus services around
> here which STC do not provide and never have since first commenced
> running bus services in the county some years ago now. I am afraid it
> is God help us when J Fishwick&Sons and Bluebus close down and we have
> to rely on STC for a bus service  


There fine in most other places maybe its you.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:38:51 +0100, Brian Robertson
> <brianrob@[nospam].com> wrote:
> 
>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:00:32 +0100, "D.R."  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Before making an accusation like that, it might be an idea to find out how 
>>>> the local authority pay the operators for the passes.
>>>> Some pay a set, fixed fee irrespective of journey.
>>> Apparently our county council pay pr journey taken the women who deals
>>> with the passes at the CC was quite perturbed when I spoke to her a
>>> couple of weeks ago this matter had been brought to her attention by a
>>> few other pass holders regarding the disregard by STC drivers
>>> concerning rules and regs concerning the passes she told me .
>>> She said she would send a quantity of SAE's for me to send any wrongly
>>> issued tickets to her I received a dozen such envelops yesterday .  
>>>> In this situation it is 
>>>> easier to just issue a ticket to the destination as the process of asking 
>>>> passengers where they are going is very often painful.
>>> I thought ALL passengers where required to state their journey to the
>>> driver not just pass holders ! .
>>>
>> I bet you are almost getting an erection at the thought of reporting all 
>> those STC drivers, aren't you?
>>
>> Brian.
> Brian to put it quite bluntly go fuck yourself you can defend STC all
> you want come and defend them around these parts and you would be run
> out of the county . We are used to having reliable bus services around
> here which STC do not provide and never have since first commenced
> running bus services in the county some years ago now. I am afraid it
> is God help us when J Fishwick&Sons and Bluebus close down and we have
> to rely on STC for a bus service  

I am just off to the pub for a pint and then taking my lady wife to see 
Indian Jones. Then I am going to come back to the comfort of my computer 
chair and fire off a complaint to Virgin for your abuse. They won't ban 
you for one offence, but they WILL make you give a grovelling apology 
and issue an assurance that you will not use such language on usenet again.

I am going to get a HUGE amount of satisfaction from snitching on 
someone who seems to devote their entire life to being a snitch. And a 
Tory one at that!!!! You have put a rosy glow on my entire week.

Brian.

In message <Eh6bk.76584$GF6.14158@newsfe27.ams2>, Brian Robertson 
<brianrob@[nospam].com> writes
>I am just off to the pub for a pint and then taking my lady wife to see 
>Indian Jones.

Is that for a Leek Curry or something?!

I'll get my coat.......
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Connaire
 wrote:


>There fine in most other places maybe its you.

Maybe it was the old ladies fault that I was talking to this afternoon
for being taken fifty yards passed her stop after she had rung the
bell in good time but a lot more chance of it being the fault of the
turban wearing driver not hearing the bell due to having his ears
covered with his damn stupid headgear . And of course maybe it would
have been another old ladies fault who was a passenger on the bus I
traveled on later who could have received serious back injuries where
it not for a quick thinking gent who caught her has she fell backwards
thanks to the stupid driver braking hard at the bus stop for no other
reason other than carelessness on his part .
Are bus drivers not taught to slow down prior to stopping at stops and
accelerate away from stops slowly anymore has my generation all where
? . I have traveled on most bus companies services in Lancashire over
the passed two months and there has only been STC staff that have
given me cause for complaint and always it has been the younger end
and foreign drivers . The older guys are perfectly ok and know how to
drive a bus has it should be driven only problem being there are not a
lot of them driving local services most seem to drive the X and longer
dis