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Ian D Henden wrote:
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> 
> 
That could be a real bugger for some bus companies

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Tony the Dragon

"Ian D Henden"  wrote in message 
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I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":

" pedestrians "unpredictably" using a crossing at Portswood Road and St 
Deny's Road, were said to be responsible for further delays. "

On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
 wrote:

>I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":
>
>" pedestrians "unpredictably" using a crossing at Portswood Road and St 
>Deny's Road, were said to be responsible for further delays. " 

So *change the bloody timetable*.  And when you do, make sure drivers
wait for time.

Unfortunately, profiteering bus companies only care about squeezing
the most runs possible out of as few buses/staff as possible.  This is
what causes poor reliability, not entirely predictable traffic delays
that occur day in, day out.

Neil

-- 
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Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
 wrote:

>
>"Ian D Henden"  wrote in message 
>news:xYWZj.5551$SA7.2108@newsfe09.ams2...
>> http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.2295191.0.0.php
>
>I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":
>
>" pedestrians "unpredictably" using a crossing at Portswood Road and St 
>Deny's Road, were said to be responsible for further delays. " 
>
Not an excuse it is fact I live in a village set between a town and a
city with the local bus company operating a 10 minute service in
either direction between 9 am and 6 pm in the main street of the town
there is a  crossing . People wanting to cross the road never look to
see what traffic is approaching and just step onto the crossing
willynilly the number of times I have heard the screeching of brakes
on that stretch of road is unbelievable . There was about nine cars in
front of the bus I was on this afternoon and it took five stops for us
to get over the crossing .The bus was already late thanks to three
stupid bitches each with a juggernaut type pushchair and three kids
each taking an age to get on/off the bus and wasting more time still
fumbling in their purses to get their money out instead of having it
ready before boarding the bus .
Going into the city buses from here have to pass through five sets of
lights before getting to the bus station each of those sets of lights
holds on red so long it is really stupid . 
Is it any wonder buses run late with the conditions I have mentioned
above plus parked cars, car drivers sitting fiddling with gear sticks
at traffic lights instead of being ready to go when lights change. I
think it is time traffic commissioners got real and learned what bus
companies and bus staff have to put up with instead of handing out
fines of this sort of magnitude which the traveling public will end up
paying indirectly in the long run .

On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ian D Henden"  wrote in message 
>>news:xYWZj.5551$SA7.2108@newsfe09.ams2...
>>> http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.2295191.0.0.php
>>
>>I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":
>>
>>" pedestrians "unpredictably" using a crossing at Portswood Road and St 
>>Deny's Road, were said to be responsible for further delays. " 
>>
>Not an excuse it is fact I live in a village set between a town and a
>city with the local bus company operating a 10 minute service in
>either direction between 9 am and 6 pm in the main street of the town
>there is a  crossing . People wanting to cross the road never look to
>see what traffic is approaching and just step onto the crossing
>willynilly the number of times I have heard the screeching of brakes
>on that stretch of road is unbelievable . There was about nine cars in
>front of the bus I was on this afternoon and it took five stops for us
>to get over the crossing .The bus was already late thanks to three
>stupid bitches each with a juggernaut type pushchair and three kids
>each taking an age to get on/off the bus and wasting more time still
>fumbling in their purses to get their money out instead of having it
>ready before boarding the bus .
>Going into the city buses from here have to pass through five sets of
>lights before getting to the bus station each of those sets of lights
>holds on red so long it is really stupid . 
>Is it any wonder buses run late with the conditions I have mentioned
>above plus parked cars, car drivers sitting fiddling with gear sticks
>at traffic lights instead of being ready to go when lights change. I
>think it is time traffic commissioners got real and learned what bus
>companies and bus staff have to put up with instead of handing out
>fines of this sort of magnitude which the traveling public will end up
>paying indirectly in the long run .   
Oh yes I forgot to add is it any wonder buses run late when some
stupid women  fail to see at least ten notices on the city side of the
bus station and ten in the bus station saying "DO NOT WALK ACROSS THE
BUS APRON USE THE EXCITS PROVIDED" .
>THE aunt of one of Preston's wealthiest businessmen remains critically ill, but stable, in hospital after being crushed by a bus.
>Multi-millionaire Yousuf Bhailok's aunt Zulekha Patel, 70, of Watling Street Road, Fulwood, Preston, was struck by a reversing
> single decker Preston Bus as she crossed the apron at Preston bus station at 10.10am on Wednesday.
>Her left leg was crushed under the rear drivers' side wheel.
>She suffered a heart attack under the wheels of the bus due to massive blood loss and paramedics battled for 15 minutes to resuscitate her.
This bloody stupid old bat delayed no less than six buses and their
passengers from leaving the bus station by her stupidity, all my
sympathy goes to the driver of that bus and the passengers that had
their return journey to their homes delayed thanks to this women's
actions .
She isn't the first to be injured or killed walking across the apron
damn me a Ribble Motors clippy was killed a few years ago doing
exactly the same thing. This sort of thing never used to happen back
in the old days when a driver had a clippy at the back of the bus
making sure all was safe before a bus reversed of the old bus station
before all the stupid one man operation came into being.

With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.

Miserable git!

On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
 wrote:

>With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
>
>Miserable git! 
>
Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like it
tough do the other .

wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ian D Henden"  wrote in message
>>>news:xYWZj.5551$SA7.2108@newsfe09.ams2...
>>>> http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.2295191.0.0.php
>>>
>>>I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":
>>>
> Oh yes I forgot to add is it any wonder buses run late when some
> stupid women  fail to see at least ten notices on the city side of the
> bus station and ten in the bus station saying "DO NOT WALK ACROSS THE
> BUS APRON USE THE EXCITS PROVIDED" .
> She isn't the first to be injured or killed walking across the apron
> damn me a Ribble Motors clippy was killed a few years ago doing
> exactly the same thing. This sort of thing never used to happen back
> in the old days when a driver had a clippy at the back of the bus
> making sure all was safe before a bus reversed of the old bus station
> before all the stupid one man operation came into being.


People cross the "aprons" because they hate the pedestrian subways which 
some idiotic planners think are good for us.
Most of such subways contain "blind corners" , so that you cannot see when 
some undesirable yob is lurking there, possibly waiting to rob you (or 
worse)

Bevan

Bevan Price wrote:
>  wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ian D Henden"  wrote in message
>>>> news:xYWZj.5551$SA7.2108@newsfe09.ams2...
>>>>> http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.2295191.0.0.php
>>>>
>>>> I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an
>>>> "excuse":
>> Oh yes I forgot to add is it any wonder buses run late when some
>> stupid women  fail to see at least ten notices on the city side of
>> the bus station and ten in the bus station saying "DO NOT WALK
>> ACROSS THE BUS APRON USE THE EXCITS PROVIDED" .
>> She isn't the first to be injured or killed walking across the apron
>> damn me a Ribble Motors clippy was killed a few years ago doing
>> exactly the same thing. This sort of thing never used to happen back
>> in the old days when a driver had a clippy at the back of the bus
>> making sure all was safe before a bus reversed of the old bus station
>> before all the stupid one man operation came into being.
>
>
> People cross the "aprons" because they hate the pedestrian subways
> which some idiotic planners think are good for us.
> Most of such subways contain "blind corners" , so that you cannot see
> when some undesirable yob is lurking there, possibly waiting to rob
> you (or worse)
>
So how do you account for those people who cross the apron when there are no 
subways to be negotiated?

In article , 
mymail@hotmail.co.uk says...
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
>  wrote:
> 
> >With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
> >
> >Miserable git! 
> >
> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
> have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
> airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like it
> tough do the other . 
> 
There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some 
pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were 
flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And the 
barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD. If they 
ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......

Me wrote:
> In article ,
> mymail@hotmail.co.uk says...
>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
>>>
>>> Miserable git!
>>>
>> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
>> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
>> have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
>> airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
>> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like
>> it tough do the other .
>>
> There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some
> pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were
> flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And the
> barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD. If they
> ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......

But it was within his human rights to walk in that place at the time!!

On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:29:11 +0100, "Bevan Price"
<meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:

>
> wrote in message 
>news:fnqg34l2aiec15fndbhlsa8ledtf1cp325@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ian D Henden"  wrote in message
>>>>news:xYWZj.5551$SA7.2108@newsfe09.ams2...
>>>>> http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.2295191.0.0.php
>>>>
>>>>I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":
>>>>
>> Oh yes I forgot to add is it any wonder buses run late when some
>> stupid women  fail to see at least ten notices on the city side of the
>> bus station and ten in the bus station saying "DO NOT WALK ACROSS THE
>> BUS APRON USE THE EXCITS PROVIDED" .
>> She isn't the first to be injured or killed walking across the apron
>> damn me a Ribble Motors clippy was killed a few years ago doing
>> exactly the same thing. This sort of thing never used to happen back
>> in the old days when a driver had a clippy at the back of the bus
>> making sure all was safe before a bus reversed of the old bus station
>> before all the stupid one man operation came into being.
>
>
>People cross the "aprons" because they hate the pedestrian subways which 
>some idiotic planners think are good for us.
>Most of such subways contain "blind corners" , so that you cannot see when 
>some undesirable yob is lurking there, possibly waiting to rob you (or 
>worse)
>
>Bevan 
>
Not here they don't plus there is one exit from the first floor
accessible by lift with a walkway straight to the shopping center and
Guild hall complex .
Plus it is of no inconvenience to anyone to alight and board buses at
the stops just of the bus station complex which is what I do as these
stops are of less walking distance than going onto the bus station .
There is no excuse for anyone to cross the apron whatsoever  .
>People cross the "aprons" because they hate the pedestrian subways which 
>some idiotic planners think are good for us.
But they are good for us they save us from ending up under a bus which
is the one and only reason for them being provided in the first place
it is up to the police/station security to make sure there are no yobs
waiting to pounce on someone .
Considering the number of people who have injured or killed since this
particular bus station was opened one would have thought that the
council would have imposed a bylaw making it an offence to walk over
the bus station carrying an on the spot fine , there really isn't any
excuse end of story .

In article , brimstone520-ng02
@yahoo.co.uk says...
> Me wrote:
> > In article ,
> > mymail@hotmail.co.uk says...
> >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
> >>>
> >>> Miserable git!
> >>>
> >> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
> >> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
> >> have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
> >> airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
> >> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like
> >> it tough do the other .
> >>
> > There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some
> > pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were
> > flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And the
> > barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD. If they
> > ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......
> 
> But it was within his human rights to walk in that place at the time!!
> 
Yes, of course. And its his human right to a wheelchair.

On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>Not an excuse it is fact I live in a village set between a town and a
>city with the local bus company operating a 10 minute service in
>either direction between 9 am and 6 pm in the main street of the town
>there is a  crossing . People wanting to cross the road never look to
>see what traffic is approaching and just step onto the crossing
>willynilly

What kind of crossing is it?  If it is a zebra crossing, the
pedestrians have every right to step onto it "willynilly".

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4838c4c6.551308001@news.individual.net...
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
>>Not an excuse it is fact I live in a village set between a town and a
>>city with the local bus company operating a 10 minute service in
>>either direction between 9 am and 6 pm in the main street of the town
>>there is a  crossing . People wanting to cross the road never look to
>>see what traffic is approaching and just step onto the crossing
>>willynilly
>
> What kind of crossing is it?  If it is a zebra crossing, the
> pedestrians have every right to step onto it "willynilly".
>

Ummmm. not quite.

Peds have every right to step on it to cross the road.

Not to loiter or "play" with the traffic, though, even if when doing so the 
traffic MUST stop for them.

A plod doing his job could well pinch such a pedestrian for obstruction.

In article <MJ7_j.13177$_c7.7798@newsfe16.ams2>, idh@henden.co.uk 
says...
> 
> "Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
> news:4838c4c6.551308001@news.individual.net...
> > On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> >
> >>Not an excuse it is fact I live in a village set between a town and a
> >>city with the local bus company operating a 10 minute service in
> >>either direction between 9 am and 6 pm in the main street of the town
> >>there is a  crossing . People wanting to cross the road never look to
> >>see what traffic is approaching and just step onto the crossing
> >>willynilly
> >
> > What kind of crossing is it?  If it is a zebra crossing, the
> > pedestrians have every right to step onto it "willynilly".
> >
> 
> Ummmm. not quite.
> 
> Peds have every right to step on it to cross the road.
> 
> Not to loiter or "play" with the traffic, though, even if when doing so the 
> traffic MUST stop for them.
> 
> A plod doing his job could well pinch such a pedestrian for obstruction. 
> 
Yes indeed. It is not acceptable to to step out. You must make your 
intentions clear. And traffic must stop when they know you are about to 
cross.

Brimstone wrote:
> Me wrote:
>> In article ,
>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk says...
>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
>>>>
>>>> Miserable git!
>>>>
>>> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
>>> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
>>> have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
>>> airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
>>> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like
>>> it tough do the other .
>>>
>> There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some
>> pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were
>> flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And the
>> barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD. If they
>> ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......
> 
> But it was within his human rights to walk in that place at the time!!
> 
> 
Obviously a contender for a Darwin award, rather than Blue Peter.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:29:11 +0100, "Bevan Price"
> <meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:
> 
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:fnqg34l2aiec15fndbhlsa8ledtf1cp325@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Ian D Henden"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:xYWZj.5551$SA7.2108@newsfe09.ams2...
>>>>>> http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.2295191.0.0.php
>>>>> I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":
>>>>>
>>> Oh yes I forgot to add is it any wonder buses run late when some
>>> stupid women  fail to see at least ten notices on the city side of the
>>> bus station and ten in the bus station saying "DO NOT WALK ACROSS THE
>>> BUS APRON USE THE EXCITS PROVIDED" .
>>> She isn't the first to be injured or killed walking across the apron
>>> damn me a Ribble Motors clippy was killed a few years ago doing
>>> exactly the same thing. This sort of thing never used to happen back
>>> in the old days when a driver had a clippy at the back of the bus
>>> making sure all was safe before a bus reversed of the old bus station
>>> before all the stupid one man operation came into being.
>>
>> People cross the "aprons" because they hate the pedestrian subways which 
>> some idiotic planners think are good for us.
>> Most of such subways contain "blind corners" , so that you cannot see when 
>> some undesirable yob is lurking there, possibly waiting to rob you (or 
>> worse)
>>
>> Bevan 
>>
> Not here they don't plus there is one exit from the first floor
> accessible by lift with a walkway straight to the shopping center and
> Guild hall complex .
> Plus it is of no inconvenience to anyone to alight and board buses at
> the stops just of the bus station complex which is what I do as these
> stops are of less walking distance than going onto the bus station .
> There is no excuse for anyone to cross the apron whatsoever  .
>> People cross the "aprons" because they hate the pedestrian subways which 
>> some idiotic planners think are good for us.
> But they are good for us they save us from ending up under a bus which
> is the one and only reason for them being provided in the first place
> it is up to the police/station security to make sure there are no yobs
> waiting to pounce on someone .
> Considering the number of people who have injured or killed since this
> particular bus station was opened one would have thought that the
> council would have imposed a bylaw making it an offence to walk over
> the bus station carrying an on the spot fine , there really isn't any
> excuse end of story .  

How does one carry an on the spot fine?

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

®i©ardo wrote:

> How does one carry an on the spot fine?

With disdain?
Phlegmatically?

In article ,  says...

> Considering the number of people who have injured or killed since this
> particular bus station was opened one would have thought that the
> council would have imposed a bylaw making it an offence to walk over
> the bus station carrying an on the spot fine , there really isn't any
> excuse end of story .  
> 
One question..

As a HGV driver, I drive a vehicle with a far more restricted view than 
a bus. As a matter of fact, the bottom of my windscreen is 7ft off the 
floor so it's possible for someone to walk in front of my lorry and be 
completely unseen.

Virtually everywhere I deliver requires people to wear hi-vis vests. 
Some don't and I've not hit one yet. Why? Because I drive with my eyes 
open and connected to my brain.

My point is that why are the drivers hitting people? In my mind people 
walking over the apron is no different to people crossing the road. So 
I can only conclude from that that the bus drivers hitting people are 
seriously piss poor and unfit to drive them. Yes, the people shouldn't 
be there but as long as there's not barriers they need to climb over, 
they will be and a so called "professional driver" should be able to 
avoid hitting them just as they would out on the streets. In fact, even 
more so as they'd be travelling at lower speeds.

Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
the bus driver than anything else.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Me wrote:
> In article , 
> mymail@hotmail.co.uk says...
>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
>>>
>>> Miserable git! 
>>>
>> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
>> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
>> have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
>> airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
>> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like it
>> tough do the other . 
>>
> There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some 
> pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were 
> flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And the 
> barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD. If they 
> ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......

That sounds like a Darwin award nomination if ever I heard one...

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:69sop9F35aud4U11@mid.individual.net...
> In article ,  says...
>
>> Considering the number of people who have injured or killed since this
>> particular bus station was opened one would have thought that the
>> council would have imposed a bylaw making it an offence to walk over
>> the bus station carrying an on the spot fine , there really isn't any
>> excuse end of story .
>>
> One question..
>
> As a HGV driver, I drive a vehicle with a far more restricted view than
> a bus. As a matter of fact, the bottom of my windscreen is 7ft off the
> floor so it's possible for someone to walk in front of my lorry and be
> completely unseen.
>
> Virtually everywhere I deliver requires people to wear hi-vis vests.
> Some don't and I've not hit one yet. Why? Because I drive with my eyes
> open and connected to my brain.
>
> My point is that why are the drivers hitting people? In my mind people
> walking over the apron is no different to people crossing the road. So
> I can only conclude from that that the bus drivers hitting people are
> seriously piss poor and unfit to drive them. Yes, the people shouldn't
> be there but as long as there's not barriers they need to climb over,
> they will be and a so called "professional driver" should be able to
> avoid hitting them just as they would out on the streets. In fact, even
> more so as they'd be travelling at lower speeds.
>
> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of
> the bus driver than anything else.
>
>
I would tend to agree with you, and, as you know, I am a bus driver, but 
even though the bus may be going at very low speeds, the likes of a 
pensioner darting out is quite possible, and what is a minor injury to most 
people could be fatal to them.

Conor wrote:
> In article ,  says...
>
>> Considering the number of people who have injured or killed since
>> this particular bus station was opened one would have thought that
>> the council would have imposed a bylaw making it an offence to walk
>> over the bus station carrying an on the spot fine , there really
>> isn't any excuse end of story .
>>
> One question..
>
> As a HGV driver, I drive a vehicle with a far more restricted view
> than a bus. As a matter of fact, the bottom of my windscreen is 7ft
> off the floor so it's possible for someone to walk in front of my
> lorry and be completely unseen.
>
> Virtually everywhere I deliver requires people to wear hi-vis vests.
> Some don't and I've not hit one yet. Why? Because I drive with my eyes
> open and connected to my brain.
>
> My point is that why are the drivers hitting people? In my mind people
> walking over the apron is no different to people crossing the road. So
> I can only conclude from that that the bus drivers hitting people are
> seriously piss poor and unfit to drive them. Yes, the people shouldn't
> be there but as long as there's not barriers they need to climb over,
> they will be and a so called "professional driver" should be able to
> avoid hitting them just as they would out on the streets. In fact,
> even more so as they'd be travelling at lower speeds.
>
> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of
> the bus driver than anything else.

It also says much about the pedestrian who fails to see the bus approaching 
and so doesn't get out of the way.

Ian D Henden wrote:
> "Conor"  wrote in message
> news:69sop9F35aud4U11@mid.individual.net...
>> In article ,  says...
>>
>>> Considering the number of people who have injured or killed since
>>> this particular bus station was opened one would have thought that
>>> the council would have imposed a bylaw making it an offence to walk
>>> over the bus station carrying an on the spot fine , there really
>>> isn't any excuse end of story .
>>>
>> One question..
>>
>> As a HGV driver, I drive a vehicle with a far more restricted view
>> than a bus. As a matter of fact, the bottom of my windscreen is 7ft
>> off the floor so it's possible for someone to walk in front of my
>> lorry and be completely unseen.
>>
>> Virtually everywhere I deliver requires people to wear hi-vis vests.
>> Some don't and I've not hit one yet. Why? Because I drive with my
>> eyes open and connected to my brain.
>>
>> My point is that why are the drivers hitting people? In my mind
>> people walking over the apron is no different to people crossing the
>> road. So I can only conclude from that that the bus drivers hitting
>> people are seriously piss poor and unfit to drive them. Yes, the
>> people shouldn't be there but as long as there's not barriers they
>> need to climb over, they will be and a so called "professional
>> driver" should be able to avoid hitting them just as they would out
>> on the streets. In fact, even more so as they'd be travelling at
>> lower speeds. Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor 
>> driving
>> of the bus driver than anything else.
>>
>>
> I would tend to agree with you, and, as you know, I am a bus driver,
> but even though the bus may be going at very low speeds, the likes of
> a pensioner darting out is quite possible, and what is a minor injury
> to most people could be fatal to them.

As has been said many times, it takes two to tango.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 08:19:48 +0100, Me  wrote:

>Yes indeed. It is not acceptable to to step out. You must make your 
>intentions clear. And traffic must stop when they know you are about to 
>cross.

The latter being the key.  It read to me that the OP doesn't think
this is acceptable if the approach traffic is (presumably) a bus.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Brimstone wrote:
> Conor wrote:
>> In article ,  says...
>>
>>> Considering the number of people who have injured or killed since
>>> this particular bus station was opened one would have thought that
>>> the council would have imposed a bylaw making it an offence to walk
>>> over the bus station carrying an on the spot fine , there really
>>> isn't any excuse end of story .
>>>
>> One question..
>>
>> As a HGV driver, I drive a vehicle with a far more restricted view
>> than a bus. As a matter of fact, the bottom of my windscreen is 7ft
>> off the floor so it's possible for someone to walk in front of my
>> lorry and be completely unseen.
>>
>> Virtually everywhere I deliver requires people to wear hi-vis vests.
>> Some don't and I've not hit one yet. Why? Because I drive with my eyes
>> open and connected to my brain.
>>
You're having to be aware of one or two people round you. A bus driver 
often has to cope with dozens.

>> My point is that why are the drivers hitting people? In my mind people
>> walking over the apron is no different to people crossing the road. So
>> I can only conclude from that that the bus drivers hitting people are
>> seriously piss poor and unfit to drive them. Yes, the people shouldn't
>> be there but as long as there's not barriers they need to climb over,
>> they will be and a so called "professional driver" should be able to
>> avoid hitting them just as they would out on the streets. In fact,
>> even more so as they'd be travelling at lower speeds.
>>
>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of
>> the bus driver than anything else.
> 
> It also says much about the pedestrian who fails to see the bus approaching 
> and so doesn't get out of the way. 
> 
Especially when said vehicle is making loud beeping noises, and, in most 
bus stations I've worked in, flashing bright orange lights on all corners.

Quite a few bus stations now have doors as the only way to access the 
apron, which won't open unless there's a bus present at the stop, to 
stop just this happening.

Of course, one  answer would be to have a trained person supervising the 
vehicle as it reverses. Let's call him an inspector, or a conductor......

-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:10 +0100, ®i©ardo  wrote:

>Brimstone wrote:
>> Me wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk says...
>>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Miserable git!
>>>>>
>>>> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
>>>> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
>>>> have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
>>>> airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
>>>> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like
>>>> it tough do the other .
>>>>
>>> There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some
>>> pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were
>>> flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And the
>>> barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD. If they
>>> ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......
>> 
>> But it was within his human rights to walk in that place at the time!!
>> 
>> 
>Obviously a contender for a Darwin award, rather than Blue Peter.
I do wish the government would pull out of all the human rights crap .

On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:40:02 +0100, "Brimstone"
 wrote:


>It also says much about the pedestrian who fails to see the bus approaching 
>and so doesn't get out of the way. 

This is the whole point of the "do not cross the apron" notices more
or less everywhere you look it is more or less impossible to get out
of the way when you have at least 10 buses backing of at the same time
plus several buses entering the station from the right and left of you
and others that have backed of and in the act of departing the
station.
The only times when people have been injured or killed as always been
on the " Preston Bus" side of the station this being the side nearest
to the city center and crossing the apron is a short cut, no one even
thinks of walking the apron on the STC and others side of the station
nothing at all to be gained by doing so.

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:10 +0100, ®i©ardo  wrote:
>
>> Brimstone wrote:
>>> Me wrote:
>>>> In article ,
>>>> mymail@hotmail.co.uk says...
>>>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miserable git!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
>>>>> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we
>>>>> would have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts
>>>>> across airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
>>>>> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't
>>>>> like it tough do the other .
>>>>>
>>>> There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some
>>>> pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were
>>>> flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And
>>>> the barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD.
>>>> If they ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......
>>>
>>> But it was within his human rights to walk in that place at the
>>> time!!
>>>
>>>
>> Obviously a contender for a Darwin award, rather than Blue Peter.
>
> I do wish the government would pull out of all the human rights crap .

Woooossshh!!

On Sun, 25 May 2008 11:45:25 +0100, John Williamson
 wrote:


>Quite a few bus stations now have doors as the only way to access the 
>apron, which won't open unless there's a bus present at the stop, to 
>stop just this happening.
The towns & cities within easy reach of Preston have all got new bus
stations apart from Preston and Blackburn and all have the door
locking facility which you have mentioned above John . Blackburn's bus
station is still the same has it was back in the fifties the station
in Preston is old by today's standards built in the early sixties but
the planners failed or the technology was not available to make the
sliding doors lockable . 
Nothing is going to be done about it now the bus station is due to be
pulled down shortly to make way for another wast of tax payers money
big city shopping complex the likes of the Trafford Center and a new
bus station built much further away from the city center hopfully with
lockable doors .
I can't see the silly old bats of Preston liking having their "dice
with death" facility taken away from them though :)))))))))))))))))). 
>Of course, one  answer would be to have a trained person supervising the 
>vehicle as it reverses. Let's call him an inspector, or a conductor......
Exactly John I was just about to say back in the sixties at the old
Ribble bus station which I reversed of more times than I can remember
no one was ever injured or killed by a reversing bus BUT you always
had your conductor at the back supervising !!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
wrote:



>Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
>the bus driver than anything else.
Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
story .

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
>> the bus driver than anything else.
> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
> story . 

Then you should try the M25 between Heathrow & Gatwick, it's not unusual 
to be overtaken by a coach when you are doing 70mph, and as for keeping 
to the variable speed limits!

-- 
Tony the Dragon

"Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
news:C_CdnZqB1-Q8wqTVnZ2dnUVZ8t_inZ2d@bt.com...
> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
>>> the bus driver than anything else.
>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>> story .
>
> Then you should try the M25 between Heathrow & Gatwick, it's not unusual 
> to be overtaken by a coach when you are doing 70mph, and as for keeping to 
> the variable speed limits!

Yes. Someone in a thread here a few months ago said that coaches are 
physically limited to (I think) 65 mph / 100 km/hr, in the same way that 
HGVs are limited to 56 mph / 90 km/hr. I'm surprised at this because I've 
seen several coaches going faster than this and even been overtaken by them 
at 70. For HGVs, it's much rarer to see them exceed the 56 limit.

My only regular experience of variable limits is the section of the M42 on 
the south east of Birmingham when everything keeps very much to the limit, 
as it does in the 50 limit on the M1 between Nottingham and Mansfield where 
they are doing interminable road-widening works. The threat of being caught 
by average-speed cameras evidently works! I just wish they'd signpost the 50 
limit on the south-west-bound section of the M42 near Brum, where there are 
road works: usually you get a 50 sign with a qualification "in 1/2 mile" 
followed by another one that has legal force, but in this case you get very 
little warning so there's lots of slamming on of brakes.

wrote:

> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
> story . 

If you happen to be a clueless idiot, as you are, what compels you to
demonstrate that fact to the widest audience possible? It's a recursive
thing, isn't it?

"Mortimer"  wrote in message 
news:-fWdnb0KfrSe_6TVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@plusnet...
> "Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
> news:C_CdnZqB1-Q8wqTVnZ2dnUVZ8t_inZ2d@bt.com...
>> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
>>>> the bus driver than anything else.
>>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>>> story .
>>
>> Then you should try the M25 between Heathrow & Gatwick, it's not unusual 
>> to be overtaken by a coach when you are doing 70mph, and as for keeping 
>> to the variable speed limits!
>
> Yes. Someone in a thread here a few months ago said that coaches are 
> physically limited to (I think) 65 mph / 100 km/hr, in the same way that 
> HGVs are limited to 56 mph / 90 km/hr. I'm surprised at this because I've 
> seen several coaches going faster than this and even been overtaken by 
> them at 70. For HGVs, it's much rarer to see them exceed the 56 limit.

The speed limit for a coach (on a motorway) is 70 mph.
Coaches registered after a certain date (which escapes me for the moment), 
are limited to 62 1/4 mph (100kph)
>
So you may well be overtaken by (older) coaches.  These will disappear from 
the roads over the next few years - the requirement to fit speedlimiters  is 
not retrospective.

"Ian D Henden"  wrote in message 
news:OTd_j.14273$_c7.13023@newsfe16.ams2...
>
> The speed limit for a coach (on a motorway) is 70 mph.
> Coaches registered after a certain date (which escapes me for the moment), 
> are limited to 62 1/4 mph (100kph)
>>
> So you may well be overtaken by (older) coaches.  These will disappear 
> from the roads over the next few years - the requirement to fit 
> speedlimiters  is not retrospective.

Ah. That sounds plausible. Of course coaches are allowed to use Northern 
Irish registration numbers - and most do to disguise the age of the coach. I 
might have noticed a pattern if I'd seen that all the ones going fast were 
(for example) A123 BCD format and all the ones that were limited were AB12 
CDE format.

You only see the NI reg on coaches, never on buses or HGVs. I'm amazed that 
the loophole still hasn't been plugged, 45 years after dated registration 
plates were introduced in the rest of the UK.

"Ian D Henden"  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> The speed limit for a coach (on a motorway) is 70 mph. Coaches
> registered after a certain date (which escapes me for the moment), are
> limited to 62 1/4 mph (100kph)

1/1/2001.

> So you may well be overtaken by (older) coaches.  These will disappear
> from the roads over the next few years - the requirement to fit
> speedlimiters is not retrospective.

It does appear to have been.

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/Speed%20Limiters%20-%20New%
20Regulations%20-%20Table%20of%20Dates.pdf

Every coach post '05 should have had a limiter from new. Every coach post 
'01 should have had it retrofitted by now.

"Mortimer"  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> Ah. That sounds plausible. Of course coaches are allowed to use Northern
> Irish registration numbers - and most do to disguise the age of the
> coach. I might have noticed a pattern if I'd seen that all the ones
> going fast were (for example) A123 BCD format and all the ones that were
> limited were AB12 CDE format.
> 
> You only see the NI reg on coaches, never on buses or HGVs. I'm amazed
> that the loophole still hasn't been plugged, 45 years after dated
> registration plates were introduced in the rest of the UK.

What "loophole"? NI plates do show the age, if you understand the format, 
but unless you're suggesting all private plates be banned, there will 
always be plates which don't immediately show the age of the vehicle.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 13:46:22 +0100, Tony Dragon
 wrote:

>mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
>>> the bus driver than anything else.
>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>> story . 
>
>Then you should try the M25 between Heathrow & Gatwick, it's not unusual 
>to be overtaken by a coach when you are doing 70mph, and as for keeping 
>to the variable speed limits!
So they have taken of all the speed cams have they Tony the last time
I was down there must be three years ago now it was impossable for
anyone to do above 30 MPH and I am talking after midnight, all the way
from its jct with the Mway that goes up to Oxford and well passed
heathrow and right round to the jct with the M21 is it the Mway that
goes down to the tunnel.

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 13:46:22 +0100, Tony Dragon
>  wrote:
> 
>> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
>>>> the bus driver than anything else.
>>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>>> story . 
>> Then you should try the M25 between Heathrow & Gatwick, it's not unusual 
>> to be overtaken by a coach when you are doing 70mph, and as for keeping 
>> to the variable speed limits!
> So they have taken of all the speed cams have they Tony the last time
> I was down there must be three years ago now it was impossable for
> anyone to do above 30 MPH and I am talking after midnight, all the way
> from its jct with the Mway that goes up to Oxford and well passed
> heathrow and right round to the jct with the M21 is it the Mway that
> goes down to the tunnel. 

No all the cameras are still there, over every carriageway on the 
variable speed limit section, you still see them flash on occasions, 
specs was going to be introduced there but I don't know if it has 
happened. In fact the speed on that section can be quite high, it's just 
that we remember the jams most, and when there is trouble its bad & 
affects all the surrounding roads, even the people who know the local 
roads can have problems.
It's the M20 that goes to the Chunnel.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On Sun, 25 May 2008 14:08:00 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>> story . 
>
>If you happen to be a clueless idiot, as you are, what compels you to
>demonstrate that fact to the widest audience possible? It's a recursive
>thing, isn't it?
FUCK OFF I thought I had you in my KF but you soon will be .

wrote:

> So they have taken of all the speed cams have they Tony the last time
> I was down there must be three years ago now it was impossable for
> anyone to do above 30 MPH and I am talking after midnight, all the way
> from its jct with the Mway that goes up to Oxford and well passed
> heathrow and right round to the jct with the M21 is it the Mway that
> goes down to the tunnel. 

Toomy, is that you trying to escape from the killfile again?

wrote:

> FUCK OFF I thought I had you in my KF but you soon will be .

So clueless you can't operate a kill-file and think that anyone other
than you cares what the content of that kill-file is. Go on, amaze me
with your command of your native language again.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 16:15:49 +0100, Tony Dragon
 wrote:


>No all the cameras are still there, over every carriageway on the 
>variable speed limit section, you still see them flash on occasions,

I have never driven on the 25 the last time I did any driving in the
London area was pre 75 but three years ago I started going by coach
from Birmingham to Belgium for tobacco . On the first trip I made
like I said earlier 40 was about the best the coach was able to do
however the clockwise carriageway was more or less clear what amazed
me was nearly every car that hit the camera got snapped  when we where
stopped in the traffic. Are M25 users exempt from tickets or do they
have loads of money or are they just bloody stupid !! because on the
night in question it was nearly every car that went passed the camera.
>In fact the speed on that section can be quite high, it's just 
>that we remember the jams most, and when there is trouble its bad & 
>affects all the surrounding roads, even the people who know the local 
>roads can have problems.
On that night we where diverted of the 25 and on to the A 20 for many
miles which caused our coach to loose a lot of time missing our euro
tunnel connection and arriving in Adnkerke 2 hrs later than we should
have done . I made three further trips by coach after that without
much trouble but the coach stopped running to Belgium so now I go
Preston- London-Brussels and by Belgium rail to Adnkerke and stay over
night , and I still get the tobacco 50% cheaper all expenses paid then
here in the UK .
To be honest Tony I don't like the south of the country at all sooner
have between here and Scotland anytime .

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> The towns & cities within easy reach of Preston have all got new bus
> stations apart from Preston and Blackburn and all have the door

  Blackpool, Fleetwood, Garstang, Kirkham, Lancaster, Lytham SA, Poulton?

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving of 
>> the bus driver than anything else.
> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
> story . 

Presumably you *are* in the "middle" lane at the time?

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 16:15:49 +0100, Tony Dragon
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> No all the cameras are still there, over every carriageway on the 
>> variable speed limit section, you still see them flash on occasions,
> 
> I have never driven on the 25 the last time I did any driving in the
> London area was pre 75 but three years ago I started going by coach
> from Birmingham to Belgium for tobacco . On the first trip I made
> like I said earlier 40 was about the best the coach was able to do
> however the clockwise carriageway was more or less clear what amazed
> me was nearly every car that hit the camera got snapped  when we where
> stopped in the traffic. Are M25 users exempt from tickets or do they
> have loads of money or are they just bloody stupid !! because on the
> night in question it was nearly every car that went passed the camera.
>> In fact the speed on that section can be quite high, it's just 
>> that we remember the jams most, and when there is trouble its bad & 
>> affects all the surrounding roads, even the people who know the local 
>> roads can have problems.
> On that night we where diverted of the 25 and on to the A 20 for many
> miles which caused our coach to loose a lot of time missing our euro
> tunnel connection and arriving in Adnkerke 2 hrs later than we should
> have done . I made three further trips by coach after that without
> much trouble but the coach stopped running to Belgium so now I go
> Preston- London-Brussels and by Belgium rail to Adnkerke and stay over
> night , and I still get the tobacco 50% cheaper all expenses paid then
> here in the UK .
> To be honest Tony I don't like the south of the country at all sooner
> have between here and Scotland anytime . 

I don't know about being exempt, but I have driven on the M25 since 
before it opened & have never met anyone who admits to getting a camera 
ticket on the M25.
By the way. I hope you declared the tobacco.


-- 
Tony the Dragon

®i©ardo wrote:
> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving 
>>> of the bus driver than anything else.
>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>> story . 
> 
> Presumably you *are* in the "middle" lane at the time?
> 
Surely he should be in lane one (of a three lane motorway) if a HGV 
passes him?

-- 
Tony the Dragon

Tony Dragon wrote:
> ®i©ardo wrote:
>> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving 
>>>> of the bus driver than anything else.
>>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>>> story . 
>>
>> Presumably you *are* in the "middle" lane at the time?
>>
> Surely he should be in lane one (of a three lane motorway) if a HGV 
> passes him?
> 
That is what I was subtly trying to infer.
-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

On Sun, 25 May 2008 19:15:54 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
wrote:


>  Blackpool, Fleetwood, Garstang, Kirkham, Lancaster, Lytham SA, Poulton?
Garstang ( A village that never had a bus station ) .
Lancaster ( Has a new bus station ).
Kirkham never had a bus station no need for one only about three
services go through there .
Blackpool don't need a new one for the services it accommodates Talbot
road is large enough in fact the whole of the ground floor used to
house Scout and Ribble and Blackpool corporation. Now the ground floor
has been divided with two thirds given over to being a car park with
just two bus lanes accommodating the ONE service that STC runs out of
there X61 to Manchester and the National Express service to London .
The 68 and 61 STC services to Preston operate from Cookson street and
the STC 77 to Preston from the North Station with all Blackpool
corporation services starting outside of the center and just running
through so no need for a bus station of any kind really .
The X61 is only a summer service and in winter the 68 and 61 move back
inside to take its stand and I do not think the rate payers of Black
pool would take kindly to the council spending money on building bus
stations in Poulton,Blackpool, and Fleetwood for the amount of
passengers and buses that would make use of them when they have to
provide the money to run the stupid illuminations or should I say
colored light bulbs . 
Blackpool is a shit house these days and so is Fleetwood this
statement is backed up with every boarding house,B&B and hotel
having " VACANCIES" notices in their windows even in the middle of the
summer season .

®i©ardo wrote:
> Tony Dragon wrote:
>> ®i©ardo wrote:
>>> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor driving 
>>>>> of the bus driver than anything else.
>>>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>>>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>>>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>>>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>>>> story . 
>>>
>>> Presumably you *are* in the "middle" lane at the time?
>>>
>> Surely he should be in lane one (of a three lane motorway) if a HGV 
>> passes him?
>>
> That is what I was subtly trying to infer.

Be fair, it's a Sunday, I don't do subtle on a Sunday,it's much to 
confusing after the lunchtime bottle of wine.
But hey, tomorrows Monday, by 9 o'clock there will be plenty of whine 
posted here.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

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> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:29:11 +0100, "Bevan Price"
> <meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:
>
>>
>> wrote in message
>>news:fnqg34l2aiec15fndbhlsa8ledtf1cp325@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:41 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:03:41 +0100, "Gizmo."
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ian D Henden"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:xYWZj.5551$SA7.2108@newsfe09.ams2...
>>>>>> http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.2295191.0.0.php
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd double the fines based purely in this little gem of an "excuse":
>>>>>
>>> Oh yes I forgot to add is it any wonder buses run late when some
>>> stupid women  fail to see at least ten notices on the city side of the
>>> bus station and ten in the bus station saying "DO NOT WALK ACROSS THE
>>> BUS APRON USE THE EXCITS PROVIDED" .
>>> She isn't the first to be injured or killed walking across the apron
>>> damn me a Ribble Motors clippy was killed a few years ago doing
>>> exactly the same thing. This sort of thing never used to happen back
>>> in the old days when a driver had a clippy at the back of the bus
>>> making sure all was safe before a bus reversed of the old bus station
>>> before all the stupid one man operation came into being.
>>
>>
>>People cross the "aprons" because they hate the pedestrian subways which
>>some idiotic planners think are good for us.
>>Most of such subways contain "blind corners" , so that you cannot see when
>>some undesirable yob is lurking there, possibly waiting to rob you (or
>>worse)
>>
>>Bevan
>>
> Not here they don't plus there is one exit from the first floor
> accessible by lift with a walkway straight to the shopping center and
> Guild hall complex .

Yes there is. If you go down the subway near the Preston Bus office, there 
is a blind corner at the foot of the ramp, and another where you turn a 
right-angled bend to climb the steps. Plus, if I recall correctly, the 
Guildhall exit is open only when the shops are open. I always prefer to 
cross the apron on my rare visits to Preston, as I feel more safe dodging 
buses on the apron than risk meeting some undesirable in the subway,. 
although I always make the shortest traverse possible across the apron, 
rather than cross diagonally and then climbing the fence, which I have seen 
people do. By-laws would make no difference unless there were constant 
police patrols - bus station staff have no powers of arrest, all they can do 
is ask you to leave the bus station.

Bevan

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> On Sun, 25 May 2008 11:45:25 +0100, John Williamson
>  wrote:
>
>
>>Quite a few bus stations now have doors as the only way to access the
>>apron, which won't open unless there's a bus present at the stop, to
>>stop just this happening.
> The towns & cities within easy reach of Preston have all got new bus
> stations apart from Preston and Blackburn and all have the door
> locking facility which you have mentioned above John . Blackburn's bus
> station is still the same has it was back in the fifties the station
> in Preston is old by today's standards built in the early sixties but
> the planners failed or the technology was not available to make the
> sliding doors lockable .
> Nothing is going to be done about it now the bus station is due to be
> pulled down shortly to make way for another wast of tax payers money
> big city shopping complex the likes of the Trafford Center and a new
> bus station built much further away from the city center hopfully with
> lockable doors .

Let us hope that the new Preston bus station has at least one safe, street 
level entrance for passengers, so that there is no need for subways - good 
examples of this layout include Huddersfield, Manchester Shude Hill, 
Warrington, Chorley, etc.

Bevan

On Sun, 25 May 2008 20:33:05 +0100, "Bevan Price"
<meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:


>By-laws would make no difference unless there were constant 
>police patrols - bus station staff have no powers of arrest, all they can do 
>is ask you to leave the bus station.
>
In that case anyone who is injured crossing in a unauthorized way
should be billed for causing totally unnecessary disruption to
services and also for any emergency treatment they may require .
Preston has been totally ruined by the city planners and town planners
before it became a city I can remember Preston back in the fifties
when it was a most beautiful northern town with its old town hall etc
etc with a bus station that no one would think of taking a short cut
to get to the only " short cut" from Lancaster Rd WAS the entrance and
exit route for passengers from day one whenever that might have been.
On one or two visits to London recently I have seen quite a few people
having to make a run for it across Euston bus station I am sure some
people must have suicidal tendencies .

On Sun, 25 May 2008 20:41:47 +0100, "Bevan Price"
<meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:


>Let us hope that the new Preston bus station has at least one safe, street 
>level entrance for passengers, so that there is no need for subways - good 
>examples of this layout include Huddersfield, Manchester Shude Hill, 
>Warrington, Chorley, etc.
Nothing wrong with the old bus station in Chorley I mean the one built
in the sixties cant remember the previous one the new one is excellent
though and very handy for the markets and shops .
I am hoping to take a ride to Manchester shortly I have never seen
Shude Hill bus station so a half hour inspection of it and then on to
Man airport for a little plane spotting .
Warrington never seen in my life and Huddersfield a little to far from
here can't be done in reasonable time from here with the NOW Card 
I only checked that journey out one day last week and came to the
conclusion it cannot be done .
The new one in Wigan is ok with its pedestrian crossings at the end of
each bus lane and Burnley again looking like a larger version on the
one in Chorley with a tea bar with outside seating for people who want
to smoke an idea which a lot of tea bars , cafes and pubs are taking
up these days .

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 19:15:54 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
> wrote:
> 
>> Blackpool, Fleetwood, Garstang, Kirkham, Lancaster, Lytham SA, Poulton?
> 
> Garstang ( A village that never had a bus station ) .
> Lancaster ( Has a new bus station ).
> Kirkham never had a bus station no need for one only about three
> services go through there .
> Blackpool don't need a new one for the services it accommodates Talbot

  So, hardly any new bus stations in towns within easy reach of Preston.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 11:52:18 GMT, mymail@hotmail.com wrote:

>The only times when people have been injured or killed as always been
>on the " Preston Bus" side of the station this being the side nearest
>to the city center and crossing the apron is a short cut, no one even
>thinks of walking the apron on the STC and others side of the station
>nothing at all to be gained by doing so.

Which is really down to shitty design, or rather design, as with many
1960s and 1970s public areas, that does not take into account the way
the public behave, for right or wrong.

In the UK, it is generally the convention that one may cross the road
when and where one sees fit.  In the minds of most (regardless of
whether it should or not) this includes the apron of a bus station.
It particularly includes it when the "proper" way is down a dingy or
poorly-marked subway, or is not at all obvious, which I recall is the
case at Preston (though it's been a while since I went there).

The solution to the problem is to build in a crossing (zebra, light
controlled or whatever) that offers an obvious and short way to the
city centre or wherever.  If this was the obvious and short way to
cross, people would cross there.  You can then augment this with
induction-loop-controlled doors, fencing etc as some bus stations have
done.

The other (partial) solution is, as is the case with most newer bus
stations, not to have reversing involved at all, and instead to build
a bus station with a central "stepped" island so all manoeuvering is
done forwards, thus reducing the impact of people wandering on the
apron.  The down side of this is that such a bus station is
necessarily bigger than a "nose in" type arrangement.

Neil

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On Sun, 25 May 2008 12:24:11 GMT, mymail@hotmail.com wrote:

> a new
>bus station built much further away from the city center hopfully with
>lockable doors .

One would hope that it is somewhere near the railway station.  The
distance between Preston's bus and railway stations (given that the
railway station is as conveniently placed for the city centre, albeit
a different end of it, as the bus station is) is a typical 1980s
anti-public-transport piece of idiocy. 

Neil

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Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 20:51:15 GMT, mymail@hotmail.com wrote:

>Nothing wrong with the old bus station in Chorley I mean the one built
>in the sixties cant remember the previous one the new one is excellent
>though and very handy for the markets and shops .
>I am hoping to take a ride to Manchester shortly I have never seen
>Shude Hill bus station so a half hour inspection of it and then on to
>Man airport for a little plane spotting .

Shudehill is quite well designed - it's not dissimilar to the newish
Oldham one.  Pretty much a standard GMPTE design, but a fairly
attractive one in terms of passenger comfort and operational design.

ISTR it is accessed via a well-marked zebra crossing, which is in an
obvious and easy location for accessing it.  The result of this is
that people don't (from what I've seen) seem to walk across the apron
too much.  If they did, though, the impact would be low as there is no
reversing required.

Neil

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Put my first name before the at to reply.

Tony Dragon wrote:
> ®i©ardo wrote:
>> Tony Dragon wrote:
>>> ®i©ardo wrote:
>>>> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:11:02 +0100, Conor 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry but in such cases, this says more about the piss poor 
>>>>>> driving of the bus driver than anything else.
>>>>> Well I have yet to see a bus/coach driver exceeding the speed limits
>>>>> on motorways but by God I see more than enough HGV's pass me when I am
>>>>> driving the car at 60MPH or steaming up behind me with flashing
>>>>> headlights you lot are fucking nutters and dangerous with it end of
>>>>> story . 
>>>>
>>>> Presumably you *are* in the "middle" lane at the time?
>>>>
>>> Surely he should be in lane one (of a three lane motorway) if a HGV 
>>> passes him?
>>>
>> That is what I was subtly trying to infer.
> 
> Be fair, it's a Sunday, I don't do subtle on a Sunday,it's much to 
> confusing after the lunchtime bottle of wine.
> But hey, tomorrows Monday, by 9 o'clock there will be plenty of whine 
> posted here.
> 

I'll drink to that - having had a drink free Sunday!

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

Neil Williams wrote:
> 
> The other (partial) solution is, as is the case with most newer bus
> stations, not to have reversing involved at all, and instead to build
> a bus station with a central "stepped" island so all manoeuvering is
> done forwards, thus reducing the impact of people wandering on the
> apron.  The down side of this is that such a bus station is
> necessarily bigger than a "nose in" type arrangement.

  "nose in"  and perpendicular as at Preston requires the bus to turn 
and straighten up and then drive forward a bus length, so you need about 
3 times the area of the largest bus for every stop anyway.
  And it is still a half mile detour to follow the official route.

On May 24, 9:58 pm, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > In article ,
> > mym...@hotmail.co.uk says...
> >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:53 +0100, "Andrew McGovern"
> >>  wrote:
>
> >>> With a bit of luck, you will die under a bus soon mate.
>
> >>> Miserable git!
>
> >> Anyone who disregards countless warnings about certain actions
> >> deserves all they get if it wasn't a practical impossibility we would
> >> have some stupid people in this country taking short cuts across
> >> airport runways to gain access to the airport terminals.
> >> I still stand by what I posted on this matter and if you don't like
> >> it tough do the other .
>
> > There was a case, I can't remember how many years ago, where some
> > pillock tried to walk across a firing range when the red flags were
> > flying. And the notices saying "When red flags are flying...". And the
> > barbed wire. He got badly injured. Then tried to sue the MOD. If they
> > ever award Blue Peter badges for stupidity......
>
> But it was within his human rights to walk in that place at the time!!

perhaps he'd have been better off using his human right to run... very
quickly... while waving arms in the air and shouting don't shoot.

Its all very well being calm under pressure but...

Fod

On Sun, 25 May 2008 23:22:29 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:


>One would hope that it is somewhere near the railway station.
Oh yes Neil that is exactly where the idiots in Preston city planners
office are seeking to site it which in my opinion is totally stupid
considering the distance from the proposed site to the locations of
shops market etc where most people of the older generation go when 
 venturing into the Godless city of Preston.
Not only that to add more punishment for people it is proposed that
the new bus station is situated at the bottom of a hill which for me
and others with arthritic problems would make it impossable to use the
bus to go into Preston ,we shall have to resort to using our cars once
more which Brown&Co do not want any of us to do ! .

On Sun, 25 May 2008 23:20:58 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:


>In the UK, it is generally the convention that one may cross the road
>when and where one sees fit.  In the minds of most (regardless of
>whether it should or not) this includes the apron of a bus station.
>It particularly includes it when the "proper" way is down a dingy or
>poorly-marked subway, or is not at all obvious, which I recall is the
>case at Preston (though it's been a while since I went there).
I just cannot understand why when humans have need to venture into
places that are basically the domain of vehicles many humans always
take the longest way to get out of danger .
Crossing any r