I've just discovered that a new E.U. directive came into force on
01/07/07 which stipulates that all buses used for driver training must
have ABS fitted.

As a result, I assume all bus operators nationwide will have to
replace their driver training vehicles (usually 15+ year old buses)
with more modern buses.

For example, to meet this requirement, Cardiff Bus are replacing their
three F-reg Leyland Lynx trainers with two 53-reg Transbus Darts from
their operational fleet.

A by-product is that a useful source of "interesting" vehicles for
preservationists may be about to dry up.

It also means that bus operators are being hit with additional costs
on top of the need to have all their drivers holding CPCs by 2013.

What a crazy E.U. world we live in!

Paul Harley

Paul Harley wrote:
> I've just discovered that a new E.U. directive came into force on
> 01/07/07 which stipulates that all buses used for driver training must
> have ABS fitted.
> 
> As a result, I assume all bus operators nationwide will have to
> replace their driver training vehicles (usually 15+ year old buses)
> with more modern buses.
> 
> For example, to meet this requirement, Cardiff Bus are replacing their
> three F-reg Leyland Lynx trainers with two 53-reg Transbus Darts from
> their operational fleet.
> 
> A by-product is that a useful source of "interesting" vehicles for
> preservationists may be about to dry up.
> 
> It also means that bus operators are being hit with additional costs
> on top of the need to have all their drivers holding CPCs by 2013.
> 
> What a crazy E.U. world we live in!
> 
> Paul Harley

What is a CPC?

Brian.

In message <xDYli.17306$aJ3.15959@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Brian Robertson 
<brianrobertson@[nospam].com> writes
>What is a CPC?
A Certificate of Professional Competence.
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

On 13 Jul, 20:33, Paul Harley  wrote:
> I've just discovered that a new E.U. directive came into force on
> 01/07/07 which stipulates that all buses used for driver training must
> have ABS fitted.
>
> As a result, I assume all bus operators nationwide will have to
> replace their driver training vehicles (usually 15+ year old buses)
> with more modern buses.
>
> For example, to meet this requirement, Cardiff Bus are replacing their
> three F-reg Leyland Lynx trainers with two 53-reg Transbus Darts from
> their operational fleet.
>
> A by-product is that a useful source of "interesting" vehicles for
> preservationists may be about to dry up.
>
> It also means that bus operators are being hit with additional costs
> on top of the need to have all their drivers holding CPCs by 2013.
>
> What a crazy E.U. world we live in!
>
> Paul Harley

Travel West Midlands & Travel London are using low floor B10L/
Alexander Ultras, seems a bit of a waste when Lynx & Metrobuses are
still in front line service.

The Travel West Midlands ones

http://west-midlands-buses.fpic.co.uk/p42726620.html

are staying gas powered.

The one for Travel London has been converted to Diesel.

http://west-midlands-buses.fpic.co.uk/p42948029.html

Tony

wrote in message 
news:1184408352.108799.238510@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

[snip]

> Travel West Midlands & Travel London are using low floor B10L/
> Alexander Ultras, seems a bit of a waste when Lynx & Metrobuses are
> still in front line service.

Hmm, all I've seen this side of the city are Lynxes and Metrobuses. Still, 
we've always been the last to get new stuff ;-)

Ivor

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:07:18 +0100, Ian Jelf
 wrote:

>A Certificate of Professional Competence.

Which, having looked at it, is just like Home Information Packs in
being something that could be very very good indeed, but instead is
just an obstructive cop-out that will just cost money.

What is the point in training without assessment?  Won't the big
groups just register themselves as authorities and sign it off without
doing anything?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5frn3vF3ca4piU1@mid.individual.net...
>  wrote in message
> news:1184408352.108799.238510@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> > Travel West Midlands & Travel London are using low floor B10L/
> > Alexander Ultras, seems a bit of a waste when Lynx & Metrobuses are
> > still in front line service.
>
> Hmm, all I've seen this side of the city are Lynxes and Metrobuses. Still,
> we've always been the last to get new stuff ;-)
>
> Ivor
>
>

We had our Leyland Atlantean deckers changed a few months ago for Optare
Deltas, which are old K reg and have been retrofitted with ABS

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:24:59, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>We had our Leyland Atlantean deckers changed a few months ago for Optare
>Deltas, which are old K reg and have been retrofitted with ABS

Newport Transport are having a Dart and a B10M retrofitted for their
driver training fleet, which works out cheaper than acquiring a newish
bus and coach.

It's been clarified for me that an ABS fitted PCV is only mandated for
the driving test.  Operators are still able to use non-ABS buses for
training, although training new driver on one type of bus and sending
them for the test on another is bound to lower the pass rate.

Cardiff Bus decided to train people on a newish Dart rather than a
Lynx, as it gives the trainees more confidence to take the test on a
bus they have been driving since the start of training, plus they get
trained on a bus they will be driving in service - no type conversion
is needed.

Paul Harley

Paul Harley wrote:
> I've just discovered that a new E.U. directive came into force on
> 01/07/07 which stipulates that all buses used for driver training must
> have ABS fitted.
> 
> As a result, I assume all bus operators nationwide will have to
> replace their driver training vehicles (usually 15+ year old buses)
> with more modern buses.
> 
> For example, to meet this requirement, Cardiff Bus are replacing their
> three F-reg Leyland Lynx trainers with two 53-reg Transbus Darts from
> their operational fleet.
> 
> A by-product is that a useful source of "interesting" vehicles for
> preservationists may be about to dry up.
> 
> It also means that bus operators are being hit with additional costs
> on top of the need to have all their drivers holding CPCs by 2013.
> 
> What a crazy E.U. world we live in!
> 
> Paul Harley

What is a CPC?

Brian.

In message <xDYli.17306$aJ3.15959@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Brian Robertson 
<brianrobertson@[nospam].com> writes
>What is a CPC?
A Certificate of Professional Competence.
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

On 13 Jul, 20:33, Paul Harley  wrote:
> I've just discovered that a new E.U. directive came into force on
> 01/07/07 which stipulates that all buses used for driver training must
> have ABS fitted.
>
> As a result, I assume all bus operators nationwide will have to
> replace their driver training vehicles (usually 15+ year old buses)
> with more modern buses.
>
> For example, to meet this requirement, Cardiff Bus are replacing their
> three F-reg Leyland Lynx trainers with two 53-reg Transbus Darts from
> their operational fleet.
>
> A by-product is that a useful source of "interesting" vehicles for
> preservationists may be about to dry up.
>
> It also means that bus operators are being hit with additional costs
> on top of the need to have all their drivers holding CPCs by 2013.
>
> What a crazy E.U. world we live in!
>
> Paul Harley

Travel West Midlands & Travel London are using low floor B10L/
Alexander Ultras, seems a bit of a waste when Lynx & Metrobuses are
still in front line service.

The Travel West Midlands ones

http://west-midlands-buses.fpic.co.uk/p42726620.html

are staying gas powered.

The one for Travel London has been converted to Diesel.

http://west-midlands-buses.fpic.co.uk/p42948029.html

Tony

wrote in message 
news:1184408352.108799.238510@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

[snip]

> Travel West Midlands & Travel London are using low floor B10L/
> Alexander Ultras, seems a bit of a waste when Lynx & Metrobuses are
> still in front line service.

Hmm, all I've seen this side of the city are Lynxes and Metrobuses. Still, 
we've always been the last to get new stuff ;-)

Ivor

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:07:18 +0100, Ian Jelf
 wrote:

>A Certificate of Professional Competence.

Which, having looked at it, is just like Home Information Packs in
being something that could be very very good indeed, but instead is
just an obstructive cop-out that will just cost money.

What is the point in training without assessment?  Won't the big
groups just register themselves as authorities and sign it off without
doing anything?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5frn3vF3ca4piU1@mid.individual.net...
>  wrote in message
> news:1184408352.108799.238510@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> > Travel West Midlands & Travel London are using low floor B10L/
> > Alexander Ultras, seems a bit of a waste when Lynx & Metrobuses are
> > still in front line service.
>
> Hmm, all I've seen this side of the city are Lynxes and Metrobuses. Still,
> we've always been the last to get new stuff ;-)
>
> Ivor
>
>

We had our Leyland Atlantean deckers changed a few months ago for Optare
Deltas, which are old K reg and have been retrofitted with ABS

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:24:59, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>We had our Leyland Atlantean deckers changed a few months ago for Optare
>Deltas, which are old K reg and have been retrofitted with ABS

Newport Transport are having a Dart and a B10M retrofitted for their
driver training fleet, which works out cheaper than acquiring a newish
bus and coach.

It's been clarified for me that an ABS fitted PCV is only mandated for
the driving test.  Operators are still able to use non-ABS buses for
training, although training new driver on one type of bus and sending
them for the test on another is bound to lower the pass rate.

Cardiff Bus decided to train people on a newish Dart rather than a
Lynx, as it gives the trainees more confidence to take the test on a
bus they have been driving since the start of training, plus they get
trained on a bus they will be driving in service - no type conversion
is needed.

Paul Harley