Is Stagecoach Manchester the only UK bus company to be trialing Drivecam?

Brian.

http://www.drivecam.com

"Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
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> Is Stagecoach Manchester the only UK bus company to be trialing 
> Drivecam?
>
> Brian.
>
> http://www.drivecam.com

Looks like a standard forward facing camera to me..? We've got a few f/f 
cams but not enough, they're very useful when determining accident 
cause/blame.

Ivor

All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles have 
six cams fitted.
They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the seats 
on the top deck.

Mike



"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
> news:Ytlli.19558$_l6.17538@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> Is Stagecoach Manchester the only UK bus company to be trialing Drivecam?
>>
>> Brian.
>>
>> http://www.drivecam.com
>
> Looks like a standard forward facing camera to me..? We've got a few f/f 
> cams but not enough, they're very useful when determining accident 
> cause/blame.
>
> Ivor
>
>

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:tFoli.23371$uR5.5899@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles 
> have six cams fitted.
> They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
> But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the 
> seats on the top deck.
>
> Mike

We have plenty of internal cameras but very few forward facing ones, which 
are very useful in the event of an incident. For example was the bus being 
cut up by a car when it braked hard causing passengers to fall over..? Did 
the bus or the other car go through the red light immediately before the 
crash..?

What I was wondering is what's so special about this particular system..?

Ivor

Brighton & Hove Bus and Coach Co buses have:-

One in the destination box facing forward.

One in the cab looking out of the doors. (Catches the bugger getting on.)

One in the front bulkhead looking down the bus.

One halfway looking to the rear.

One in the rear (outside) looking back.

One topdeck front looking back.

One halfway looking back.

One rear looking forward.

The resolution is brilliant. Enough for the courts.

And it does save on false claims.
A few have been invited to the office and having viewed the video, go away 
with their tail between their legs

Mike

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "Mike"  wrote in message 
> news:tFoli.23371$uR5.5899@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles 
>> have six cams fitted.
>> They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
>> But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the 
>> seats on the top deck.
>>
>> Mike
>
> We have plenty of internal cameras but very few forward facing ones, which 
> are very useful in the event of an incident. For example was the bus being 
> cut up by a car when it braked hard causing passengers to fall over..? Did 
> the bus or the other car go through the red light immediately before the 
> crash..?
>
> What I was wondering is what's so special about this particular system..?
>
> Ivor
>
>

Mike wrote:
> Brighton & Hove Bus and Coach Co buses have:-
> 
> One in the destination box facing forward.
> 
> One in the cab looking out of the doors. (Catches the bugger getting on.)
> 
> One in the front bulkhead looking down the bus.
> 
> One halfway looking to the rear.
> 
> One in the rear (outside) looking back.
> 
> One topdeck front looking back.
> 
> One halfway looking back.
> 
> One rear looking forward.
> 
> The resolution is brilliant. Enough for the courts.
> 
> And it does save on false claims.
> A few have been invited to the office and having viewed the video, go away 
> with their tail between their legs
> 
> Mike
> 
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:5fmmmaF3d4qmpU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Mike"  wrote in message 
>> news:tFoli.23371$uR5.5899@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>> All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles 
>>> have six cams fitted.
>>> They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
>>> But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the 
>>> seats on the top deck.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> We have plenty of internal cameras but very few forward facing ones, which 
>> are very useful in the event of an incident. For example was the bus being 
>> cut up by a car when it braked hard causing passengers to fall over..? Did 
>> the bus or the other car go through the red light immediately before the 
>> crash..?
>>
>> What I was wondering is what's so special about this particular system..?
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>
> 
> 

Drivecam is NOT the standard CCTV system used by many operators. Our 
buses in Manchester have 11 cctb cameras AND Drivecam.

Brian.

"Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
news:4FLli.23575$uR5.13589@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

[snip]

> Drivecam is NOT the standard CCTV system used by many operators. Our 
> buses in Manchester have 11 cctb cameras AND Drivecam.

Interesting, what system is used for that lot..?! We've just started using 
Wayfarer for the latest systems (and there have been no end of problems 
with the wireless links, but that's another story) and on the Mercedes 
O405N's that they've fitted them on there are 7 cameras:

One forward facing but directed downwards towards the ground, to catch 
anyone that might hit the windscreen

One on the external nearside facing forwards from the rear

One on the external offside facing rearwards from the front

Two covering the platform and cab areas

One just over the front wheelarch area facing back

One about three rows from the back covering the rear seats.

There is also a screen that the passengers can see that switches between 
the internal cameras.


A 30 minute download takes up about 250MB of disk space, so I dread to 
think what a couple of hours of 11 cameras would be..! My laptop is 
rapidly running out of space..!


Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:

> 
> Two covering the platform and cab areas
> 

Lets be honest here. You mean two spying on the driver.

Brian.

"Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
news:FEYli.17307$aJ3.13612@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Two covering the platform and cab areas
>>
>
> Lets be honest here. You mean two spying on the driver.
>
> Brian.

Not at all, although they can of course be used for driver monitoring. I'd 
hardly call it spying, as the cameras are not covert and everyone, 
including the driver, can see where they are. There is even a screen on 
the latest systems at the front of the bus (but behind the driving 
position..!) so passengers can see the camera output.

Mostly they come in useful for *defending* the driver if a passenger 
complains about something or trips/falls on the platform or worse, 
assaults the driver. Only last week we had an incident where an inspector 
on board the bus was attacked. No camera, no identification of the 
assailant.

Of course if a driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing then more 
fool them for doing it in front of an obvious camera.

Ivor

On 14 Jul, 09:27, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message
>
> news:FEYli.17307$aJ3.13612@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> > Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> >> Two covering the platform and cab areas
>
> > Lets be honest here. You mean two spying on the driver.
>
> > Brian.
>
> Not at all, although they can of course be used for driver monitoring. I'd
> hardly call it spying, as the cameras are not covert and everyone,
> including the driver, can see where they are. There is even a screen on
> the latest systems at the front of the bus (but behind the driving
> position..!) so passengers can see the camera output.
>
> Mostly they come in useful for *defending* the driver if a passenger
> complains about something or trips/falls on the platform or worse,
> assaults the driver. Only last week we had an incident where an inspector
> on board the bus was attacked. No camera, no identification of the
> assailant.
>
> Of course if a driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing then more
> fool them for doing it in front of an obvious camera.
>
> Ivor

I set up one myself 25 years ago on a bus just to keep a record of the
route.

Here is the first 5 minutes of the journey from Birmingham City Centre
heading out to Solihull, anyone who knows Birmingham as it is now will
hardly recognise anything

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2635076933143680241

Tony

wrote in message 
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[snip]

> I set up one myself 25 years ago on a bus just to keep a record of the
> route.
>
> Here is the first 5 minutes of the journey from Birmingham City Centre
> heading out to Solihull, anyone who knows Birmingham as it is now will
> hardly recognise anything
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2635076933143680241
>
> Tony

Ah, I remember that clip when you posted it before, Tony - thanks for the 
reminder. Just one question, how the **** did you manage to make Camp Hill 
in 5 minutes from the City Centre..?!! I know there was a lot less traffic 
then, but still..!

Ivor

On 14 Jul, 11:37, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1184402536.727095.104400@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> > I set up one myself 25 years ago on a bus just to keep a record of the
> > route.
>
> > Here is the first 5 minutes of the journey from Birmingham City Centre
> > heading out to Solihull, anyone who knows Birmingham as it is now will
> > hardly recognise anything
>
> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2635076933143680241
>
> > Tony
>
> Ah, I remember that clip when you posted it before, Tony - thanks for the
> reminder. Just one question, how the **** did you manage to make Camp Hill
> in 5 minutes from the City Centre..?!! I know there was a lot less traffic
> then, but still..!
>
> Ivor

It was around 7.30pm. Running time all the way to Solihull was 26 min
on late nights then, so you could do the round trip in an hour.

It was also the reason I chose the 37 route to video, as that was one
of the first hand held video cameras on the market, and on continual
use the battery lasted 30 minutes!

Last night I was driving the 951 in a 24 year old Metrobus (2665) and
had one of those days where every set of traffic lights was on green
and managed to drive from Carrs Lane to The Clifton (Beeches Road)
about 5 miles out which was the first stop I had to make in 9 minutes
in the evening peak. I wish I had had my camera set up for that one!

I am sure if people said the lived 5 miles outside Birmingham City
centre and could commute by bus in less than 10 minutes they would not
be believed

Tony

Tony

"Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
news:Ytlli.19558$_l6.17538@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> Is Stagecoach Manchester the only UK bus company to be trialing 
> Drivecam?
>
> Brian.
>
> http://www.drivecam.com

Looks like a standard forward facing camera to me..? We've got a few f/f 
cams but not enough, they're very useful when determining accident 
cause/blame.

Ivor

All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles have 
six cams fitted.
They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the seats 
on the top deck.

Mike



"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5fmf9aF3c9shgU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
> news:Ytlli.19558$_l6.17538@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> Is Stagecoach Manchester the only UK bus company to be trialing Drivecam?
>>
>> Brian.
>>
>> http://www.drivecam.com
>
> Looks like a standard forward facing camera to me..? We've got a few f/f 
> cams but not enough, they're very useful when determining accident 
> cause/blame.
>
> Ivor
>
>

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:tFoli.23371$uR5.5899@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles 
> have six cams fitted.
> They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
> But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the 
> seats on the top deck.
>
> Mike

We have plenty of internal cameras but very few forward facing ones, which 
are very useful in the event of an incident. For example was the bus being 
cut up by a car when it braked hard causing passengers to fall over..? Did 
the bus or the other car go through the red light immediately before the 
crash..?

What I was wondering is what's so special about this particular system..?

Ivor

Brighton & Hove Bus and Coach Co buses have:-

One in the destination box facing forward.

One in the cab looking out of the doors. (Catches the bugger getting on.)

One in the front bulkhead looking down the bus.

One halfway looking to the rear.

One in the rear (outside) looking back.

One topdeck front looking back.

One halfway looking back.

One rear looking forward.

The resolution is brilliant. Enough for the courts.

And it does save on false claims.
A few have been invited to the office and having viewed the video, go away 
with their tail between their legs

Mike

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5fmmmaF3d4qmpU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Mike"  wrote in message 
> news:tFoli.23371$uR5.5899@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles 
>> have six cams fitted.
>> They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
>> But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the 
>> seats on the top deck.
>>
>> Mike
>
> We have plenty of internal cameras but very few forward facing ones, which 
> are very useful in the event of an incident. For example was the bus being 
> cut up by a car when it braked hard causing passengers to fall over..? Did 
> the bus or the other car go through the red light immediately before the 
> crash..?
>
> What I was wondering is what's so special about this particular system..?
>
> Ivor
>
>

Mike wrote:
> Brighton & Hove Bus and Coach Co buses have:-
> 
> One in the destination box facing forward.
> 
> One in the cab looking out of the doors. (Catches the bugger getting on.)
> 
> One in the front bulkhead looking down the bus.
> 
> One halfway looking to the rear.
> 
> One in the rear (outside) looking back.
> 
> One topdeck front looking back.
> 
> One halfway looking back.
> 
> One rear looking forward.
> 
> The resolution is brilliant. Enough for the courts.
> 
> And it does save on false claims.
> A few have been invited to the office and having viewed the video, go away 
> with their tail between their legs
> 
> Mike
> 
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:5fmmmaF3d4qmpU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Mike"  wrote in message 
>> news:tFoli.23371$uR5.5899@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>> All of the buses in Brighton have these cam fitted. Many of the doubles 
>>> have six cams fitted.
>>> They have cut down claims by quite a bit.
>>> But most of all they have caught our dear children setting fire to the 
>>> seats on the top deck.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> We have plenty of internal cameras but very few forward facing ones, which 
>> are very useful in the event of an incident. For example was the bus being 
>> cut up by a car when it braked hard causing passengers to fall over..? Did 
>> the bus or the other car go through the red light immediately before the 
>> crash..?
>>
>> What I was wondering is what's so special about this particular system..?
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>
> 
> 

Drivecam is NOT the standard CCTV system used by many operators. Our 
buses in Manchester have 11 cctb cameras AND Drivecam.

Brian.

"Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
news:4FLli.23575$uR5.13589@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

[snip]

> Drivecam is NOT the standard CCTV system used by many operators. Our 
> buses in Manchester have 11 cctb cameras AND Drivecam.

Interesting, what system is used for that lot..?! We've just started using 
Wayfarer for the latest systems (and there have been no end of problems 
with the wireless links, but that's another story) and on the Mercedes 
O405N's that they've fitted them on there are 7 cameras:

One forward facing but directed downwards towards the ground, to catch 
anyone that might hit the windscreen

One on the external nearside facing forwards from the rear

One on the external offside facing rearwards from the front

Two covering the platform and cab areas

One just over the front wheelarch area facing back

One about three rows from the back covering the rear seats.

There is also a screen that the passengers can see that switches between 
the internal cameras.


A 30 minute download takes up about 250MB of disk space, so I dread to 
think what a couple of hours of 11 cameras would be..! My laptop is 
rapidly running out of space..!


Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:

> 
> Two covering the platform and cab areas
> 

Lets be honest here. You mean two spying on the driver.

Brian.

"Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
news:FEYli.17307$aJ3.13612@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Two covering the platform and cab areas
>>
>
> Lets be honest here. You mean two spying on the driver.
>
> Brian.

Not at all, although they can of course be used for driver monitoring. I'd 
hardly call it spying, as the cameras are not covert and everyone, 
including the driver, can see where they are. There is even a screen on 
the latest systems at the front of the bus (but behind the driving 
position..!) so passengers can see the camera output.

Mostly they come in useful for *defending* the driver if a passenger 
complains about something or trips/falls on the platform or worse, 
assaults the driver. Only last week we had an incident where an inspector 
on board the bus was attacked. No camera, no identification of the 
assailant.

Of course if a driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing then more 
fool them for doing it in front of an obvious camera.

Ivor

On 14 Jul, 09:27, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Brian Robertson" <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote in message
>
> news:FEYli.17307$aJ3.13612@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> > Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> >> Two covering the platform and cab areas
>
> > Lets be honest here. You mean two spying on the driver.
>
> > Brian.
>
> Not at all, although they can of course be used for driver monitoring. I'd
> hardly call it spying, as the cameras are not covert and everyone,
> including the driver, can see where they are. There is even a screen on
> the latest systems at the front of the bus (but behind the driving
> position..!) so passengers can see the camera output.
>
> Mostly they come in useful for *defending* the driver if a passenger
> complains about something or trips/falls on the platform or worse,
> assaults the driver. Only last week we had an incident where an inspector
> on board the bus was attacked. No camera, no identification of the
> assailant.
>
> Of course if a driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing then more
> fool them for doing it in front of an obvious camera.
>
> Ivor

I set up one myself 25 years ago on a bus just to keep a record of the
route.

Here is the first 5 minutes of the journey from Birmingham City Centre
heading out to Solihull, anyone who knows Birmingham as it is now will
hardly recognise anything

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2635076933143680241

Tony

wrote in message 
news:1184402536.727095.104400@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

[snip]

> I set up one myself 25 years ago on a bus just to keep a record of the
> route.
>
> Here is the first 5 minutes of the journey from Birmingham City Centre
> heading out to Solihull, anyone who knows Birmingham as it is now will
> hardly recognise anything
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2635076933143680241
>
> Tony

Ah, I remember that clip when you posted it before, Tony - thanks for the 
reminder. Just one question, how the **** did you manage to make Camp Hill 
in 5 minutes from the City Centre..?!! I know there was a lot less traffic 
then, but still..!

Ivor

On 14 Jul, 11:37, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1184402536.727095.104400@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> > I set up one myself 25 years ago on a bus just to keep a record of the
> > route.
>
> > Here is the first 5 minutes of the journey from Birmingham City Centre
> > heading out to Solihull, anyone who knows Birmingham as it is now will
> > hardly recognise anything
>
> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2635076933143680241
>
> > Tony
>
> Ah, I remember that clip when you posted it before, Tony - thanks for the
> reminder. Just one question, how the **** did you manage to make Camp Hill
> in 5 minutes from the City Centre..?!! I know there was a lot less traffic
> then, but still..!
>
> Ivor

It was around 7.30pm. Running time all the way to Solihull was 26 min
on late nights then, so you could do the round trip in an hour.

It was also the reason I chose the 37 route to video, as that was one
of the first hand held video cameras on the market, and on continual
use the battery lasted 30 minutes!

Last night I was driving the 951 in a 24 year old Metrobus (2665) and
had one of those days where every set of traffic lights was on green
and managed to drive from Carrs Lane to The Clifton (Beeches Road)
about 5 miles out which was the first stop I had to make in 9 minutes
in the evening peak. I wish I had had my camera set up for that one!

I am sure if people said the lived 5 miles outside Birmingham City
centre and could commute by bus in less than 10 minutes they would not
be believed

Tony

Tony