While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board and
do a check on the tickets.

Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now with a
couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.


incident 1

I was a passenger upstairs at the time.

A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.

Inspector asks him for ticket

"thrown it away" was the reply

"how much did you pay?" and
"where did you get on?" and
"where are you getting off?"

then he was left alone.

So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?

no ticket no travel etc ?



example 2

I was the driver.

A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket

I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15

inspectors board my bus for a shake down

I tell them about the lad upstairs

they visit and come back down

" well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"

NO WAY was he 15

Do they really think he was 15 ?

I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this problem.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
>
> A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
>
> Inspector asks him for ticket
>
> "thrown it away" was the reply
>
> "how much did you pay?" and
> "where did you get on?" and
> "where are you getting off?"
>
> then he was left alone.
>
> So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
> no ticket no travel etc ?

Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..? 
Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and 
half a dozen coppers.

> example 2
>
> I was the driver.
>
> A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
>
> I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
>
> inspectors board my bus for a shake down
>
> I tell them about the lad upstairs
>
> they visit and come back down
>
> " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
>
> NO WAY was he 15
>
> Do they really think he was 15 ?
>
> I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this 
> problem.

See above.

Ivor

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:469693e8.91161555@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
> journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
> or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection 
is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be 
retained.

Although we have one particular route around here where *nobody* ever 
takes a ticket, they stream out of the machine and can end up half way 
down the bus..! What an inspector would make of it if he ever boarded is 
anybody's guess, but they've never done a revenue check on it to my 
knowledge, despite being told about the problem on numerous occasions.

Ivor

On Jul 13, 1:58 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> And the point of a ticket unless it is required to be held for inspection
> is what, precisely..? A ticket is proof of payment, of course it should be
> retained.

On a bus, you effectively pay to get past the driver, and most people
will see it that way.  I don't think I've been inspected on a (non-
London-bendy) bus for well over 5 years.

Other organisations issue bits of paper without them being primarily
for revenue protection purposes, such as the recent proliferation of
shops and cafes at airports and stations that insist on issuing a
receipt with every transaction.  This is presumably to avoid wasted
time in asking if one is required or not and/or to avoid transactions
needing to be called up again, as well as to prevent staff from
pocketing the money.  It isn't for coffee-drinkers to show they paid
for their coffee.

Neil

Some buses display signs to say tickets must be retained and available for
inspection, legally it is up to the driver to make sure the ticket is issued
to the passenger, and to make sure that the ticket is taken by the
passenger, then the passenger is responsible once the ticket is in his
possession to retain it for inspection whilst on the bus
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5fo0reF3dvd9vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dave"  wrote in message
> news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board
> > and
> > do a check on the tickets.
>
> On his own..? More fool him.
>
> > Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now
> > with a
> > couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
> >
> >
> > incident 1
> >
> > I was a passenger upstairs at the time.
> >
> > A young lad, probably 17/18 sat upstairs at the back.
> >
> > Inspector asks him for ticket
> >
> > "thrown it away" was the reply
> >
> > "how much did you pay?" and
> > "where did you get on?" and
> > "where are you getting off?"
> >
> > then he was left alone.
> >
> > So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
> >
> > no ticket no travel etc ?
>
> Without police backup, is it worth getting a punch in the face or worse..?
> Revenue checks around here are done with at least 2 or 3 inspectors and
> half a dozen coppers.
>
> > example 2
> >
> > I was the driver.
> >
> > A youth of 17/18 ish in work clothes asks for a childs day ticket
> >
> > I ask his d.o.b. that makes him 15
> >
> > inspectors board my bus for a shake down
> >
> > I tell them about the lad upstairs
> >
> > they visit and come back down
> >
> > " well, he's 16 in a couple of months. he'll be paying full then!"
> >
> > NO WAY was he 15
> >
> > Do they really think he was 15 ?
> >
> > I guess they cannot or they are afraid to do something about this
> > problem.
>
> See above.
>
> Ivor
>
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:

>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>
>no ticket no travel etc ?

Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:50:36 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:34 GMT, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>>So, surely inspectors should do more than that ?
>>
>>no ticket no travel etc ?
>
>Only if it's made clear that tickets must be retained for the whole
>journey.  Inspectors are so unusual these days that this view has more
>or less gone away and a lot of people put them straight in the bin.
>
>Neil
Quite so Neil Stagecoach used to have at least one hanging around our
local bus station or in the enquiry office not anymore though all I
see in the passenger facing station office are civilian staff now .The
company I used to work for had no less than three uniformed inspectors
on the bus station one down at the garage and two Senior inspectors
out on the road running around in a red mini van jumping buses all
over the place .
Those where the days I wish I could have them back .

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C%rli.4783$iE5.1662@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> While as a passenger the other day, we had one of our inspectors board 
> and
> do a check on the tickets.

On his own..? More fool him.

> Before you all fall down in shock, its a relatively common thing now 
> with a
> couple of new inspectors doing the rounds.
>
>
> incident 1
>
> I was a