in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that different bus
routes us them,we have red flags which means the stop is a request
stop which means that passengers  for the bus approaching have to
stick out their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive stop
which means if any passengers are standing at this stop the bus if
possible has to stop,but these days because the buses are larger the
bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge.also these days people
try to use the entrance doors to get off walking straight in to
intending passengers which causes a lot of anger. i think this was due
to the bendi-buses using the 3 doors as entrances and exits to which
the passenger does not need to show their passes to the driver,but
these buses get targetted by the revenue inspectors more often.these
points i am making should be highlighted by the various bus companies
who operate these routes and london transport.but has usual this is
down to the driver again to point this out.the earlier comments i made
about bus stops being request stops and compulsive stops,stops at
7.00pm and all stops become request stops as the time is cut for our
journeys at this time. i would like also to add that if a bus stop is
filled with buses the driver can continue to the next stop as we are
not allowed by law to impede other vehicles on the road,as buses are
not allowed by other road users to be impeded.one last thing bus
drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
the passenger.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

wrote in message 
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> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that different bus
> routes us them,we have red flags which means the stop is a request
> stop which means that passengers  for the bus approaching have to
> stick out their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive stop

Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they dissapeared about 20 
years ago - honest!  They have had the wording changed to "Bus stop"
this fact has been missed by the travelling public (and many drivers) who 
find change hard to handle, (and often miss buses)


> which means if any passengers are standing at this stop the bus if
> possible has to stop,but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,

No. this is a bus stop. the stop is the sign, not the shelter or some paint 
on the road.

>we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge.also these days people
> try to use the entrance doors to get off walking straight in to
> intending passengers which causes a lot of anger. i think this was due
> to the bendi-buses using the 3 doors as entrances and exits to which
> the passenger does not need to show their passes to the driver,but
> these buses get targetted by the revenue inspectors more often.these
> points i am making should be highlighted by the various bus companies
> who operate these routes and london transport.but has usual this is
> down to the driver again to point this out.the earlier comments i made
> about bus stops being request stops and compulsive stops,stops at
> 7.00pm and all stops become request stops as the time is cut for our
> journeys at this time. i would like also to add that if a bus stop is
> filled with buses the driver can continue to the next stop as we are
> not allowed by law to impede other vehicles on the road,as buses are
> not allowed by other road users to be impeded.one last thing bus
> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
> the passenger.

What a pleasure to read a lot of old wives tales, I just thank god i no 
longer work on tfl routes, as this sort of thing is common amongst the 
drivers there.
(The true reason for compulsory stops was as an animal rights thing, these 
were where there were water troughs for the horses to have a drink!, and 
some drivers are still observing them! ) The speed limt is whatever is 
displayed on the signs not what a barrack room lawyer tells you. Even the 
mighty tfl do not have the power to set speed limits, and drivers like 
yourself are perpetuating the myth and are holding back the progress into 
the 20th century, (the 21st will come later.)
remember, you are there to convey passengers, who incidently pay your wages. 
If you gave them a bit more consideration they may give you some. They wait 
at the bus stop sign as that is the bus stop, is it so difficult to pull up 
to the sign? In the london area (where more drivers than anywhere else have 
these No Value Qualification'S there is a blatant dissregard for passengers 
and other road users. i.e. if the road is busy, don't pull into the bus 
stop, sit in the middle of the road so you can get going again more easily, 
I want to be in the next lane so Iwill just pull across and stick my thunb 
up out of the window,  End result - the bus is not wheelchair accesible as 
it is 6 feet out into the road, and a load of motorists think that all bus 
drivers are idiots. Thanks guys! If i want to have that sort of reputation, 
I will set about getting it myself, You are not obliged to do it for me. 
Just as an aside, as there are no more trolley buses running in london, you 
are now allowed to overtake a bus that is full in front of you. If you do 
this rather than hang back behind a bus that is full, you might START giving 
the public the service they deserve.
If and when we get rid of these ridiculous restrictive and outdated 
practices we might get a modern service in London, instead of an archaic 
sytem run with modern buses.
D. Robinson (now working in the modern world)

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in
message
news:9lggi.28551$aS5.16814@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk
>  wrote in message
> news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> > different bus routes us them,we have red flags which
> > means the stop is a request stop which means that
> > passengers  for the bus approaching have to stick out
> > their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive
> > stop
>
> Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they
> dissapeared about 20 years ago - honest!  They have had
> the wording changed to "Bus stop" this fact has been missed by the 
> travelling public (and
> many drivers) who find change hard to handle, (and often
> miss buses)

And the reason stops are still coloured red (and labelled "request") and 
white is............?

Ivor

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

wrote in message 
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that different bus
> routes us them,we have red flags which means the stop is a request
> stop which means that passengers  for the bus approaching have to
> stick out their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive stop

Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they dissapeared about 20 
years ago - honest!  They have had the wording changed to "Bus stop"
this fact has been missed by the travelling public (and many drivers) who 
find change hard to handle, (and often miss buses)


> which means if any passengers are standing at this stop the bus if
> possible has to stop,but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,

No. this is a bus stop. the stop is the sign, not the shelter or some paint 
on the road.

>we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge.also these days people
> try to use the entrance doors to get off walking straight in to
> intending passengers which causes a lot of anger. i think this was due
> to the bendi-buses using the 3 doors as entrances and exits to which
> the passenger does not need to show their passes to the driver,but
> these buses get targetted by the revenue inspectors more often.these
> points i am making should be highlighted by the various bus companies
> who operate these routes and london transport.but has usual this is
> down to the driver again to point this out.the earlier comments i made
> about bus stops being request stops and compulsive stops,stops at
> 7.00pm and all stops become request stops as the time is cut for our
> journeys at this time. i would like also to add that if a bus stop is
> filled with buses the driver can continue to the next stop as we are
> not allowed by law to impede other vehicles on the road,as buses are
> not allowed by other road users to be impeded.one last thing bus
> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
> the passenger.

What a pleasure to read a lot of old wives tales, I just thank god i no 
longer work on tfl routes, as this sort of thing is common amongst the 
drivers there.
(The true reason for compulsory stops was as an animal rights thing, these 
were where there were water troughs for the horses to have a drink!, and 
some drivers are still observing them! ) The speed limt is whatever is 
displayed on the signs not what a barrack room lawyer tells you. Even the 
mighty tfl do not have the power to set speed limits, and drivers like 
yourself are perpetuating the myth and are holding back the progress into 
the 20th century, (the 21st will come later.)
remember, you are there to convey passengers, who incidently pay your wages. 
If you gave them a bit more consideration they may give you some. They wait 
at the bus stop sign as that is the bus stop, is it so difficult to pull up 
to the sign? In the london area (where more drivers than anywhere else have 
these No Value Qualification'S there is a blatant dissregard for passengers 
and other road users. i.e. if the road is busy, don't pull into the bus 
stop, sit in the middle of the road so you can get going again more easily, 
I want to be in the next lane so Iwill just pull across and stick my thunb 
up out of the window,  End result - the bus is not wheelchair accesible as 
it is 6 feet out into the road, and a load of motorists think that all bus 
drivers are idiots. Thanks guys! If i want to have that sort of reputation, 
I will set about getting it myself, You are not obliged to do it for me. 
Just as an aside, as there are no more trolley buses running in london, you 
are now allowed to overtake a bus that is full in front of you. If you do 
this rather than hang back behind a bus that is full, you might START giving 
the public the service they deserve.
If and when we get rid of these ridiculous restrictive and outdated 
practices we might get a modern service in London, instead of an archaic 
sytem run with modern buses.
D. Robinson (now working in the modern world)

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in
message
news:9lggi.28551$aS5.16814@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk
>  wrote in message
> news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> > different bus routes us them,we have red flags which
> > means the stop is a request stop which means that
> > passengers  for the bus approaching have to stick out
> > their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive
> > stop
>
> Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they
> dissapeared about 20 years ago - honest!  They have had
> the wording changed to "Bus stop" this fact has been missed by the 
> travelling public (and
> many drivers) who find change hard to handle, (and often
> miss buses)

And the reason stops are still coloured red (and labelled "request") and 
white is............?

Ivor

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

wrote in message 
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that different bus
> routes us them,we have red flags which means the stop is a request
> stop which means that passengers  for the bus approaching have to
> stick out their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive stop

Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they dissapeared about 20 
years ago - honest!  They have had the wording changed to "Bus stop"
this fact has been missed by the travelling public (and many drivers) who 
find change hard to handle, (and often miss buses)


> which means if any passengers are standing at this stop the bus if
> possible has to stop,but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,

No. this is a bus stop. the stop is the sign, not the shelter or some paint 
on the road.

>we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge.also these days people
> try to use the entrance doors to get off walking straight in to
> intending passengers which causes a lot of anger. i think this was due
> to the bendi-buses using the 3 doors as entrances and exits to which
> the passenger does not need to show their passes to the driver,but
> these buses get targetted by the revenue inspectors more often.these
> points i am making should be highlighted by the various bus companies
> who operate these routes and london transport.but has usual this is
> down to the driver again to point this out.the earlier comments i made
> about bus stops being request stops and compulsive stops,stops at
> 7.00pm and all stops become request stops as the time is cut for our
> journeys at this time. i would like also to add that if a bus stop is
> filled with buses the driver can continue to the next stop as we are
> not allowed by law to impede other vehicles on the road,as buses are
> not allowed by other road users to be impeded.one last thing bus
> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
> the passenger.

What a pleasure to read a lot of old wives tales, I just thank god i no 
longer work on tfl routes, as this sort of thing is common amongst the 
drivers there.
(The true reason for compulsory stops was as an animal rights thing, these 
were where there were water troughs for the horses to have a drink!, and 
some drivers are still observing them! ) The speed limt is whatever is 
displayed on the signs not what a barrack room lawyer tells you. Even the 
mighty tfl do not have the power to set speed limits, and drivers like 
yourself are perpetuating the myth and are holding back the progress into 
the 20th century, (the 21st will come later.)
remember, you are there to convey passengers, who incidently pay your wages. 
If you gave them a bit more consideration they may give you some. They wait 
at the bus stop sign as that is the bus stop, is it so difficult to pull up 
to the sign? In the london area (where more drivers than anywhere else have 
these No Value Qualification'S there is a blatant dissregard for passengers 
and other road users. i.e. if the road is busy, don't pull into the bus 
stop, sit in the middle of the road so you can get going again more easily, 
I want to be in the next lane so Iwill just pull across and stick my thunb 
up out of the window,  End result - the bus is not wheelchair accesible as 
it is 6 feet out into the road, and a load of motorists think that all bus 
drivers are idiots. Thanks guys! If i want to have that sort of reputation, 
I will set about getting it myself, You are not obliged to do it for me. 
Just as an aside, as there are no more trolley buses running in london, you 
are now allowed to overtake a bus that is full in front of you. If you do 
this rather than hang back behind a bus that is full, you might START giving 
the public the service they deserve.
If and when we get rid of these ridiculous restrictive and outdated 
practices we might get a modern service in London, instead of an archaic 
sytem run with modern buses.
D. Robinson (now working in the modern world)

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in
message
news:9lggi.28551$aS5.16814@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk
>  wrote in message
> news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> > different bus routes us them,we have red flags which
> > means the stop is a request stop which means that
> > passengers  for the bus approaching have to stick out
> > their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive
> > stop
>
> Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they
> dissapeared about 20 years ago - honest!  They have had
> the wording changed to "Bus stop" this fact has been missed by the 
> travelling public (and
> many drivers) who find change hard to handle, (and often
> miss buses)

And the reason stops are still coloured red (and labelled "request") and 
white is............?

Ivor

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

wrote in message
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

-- 
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

wrote in message 
news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that different bus
> routes us them,we have red flags which means the stop is a request
> stop which means that passengers  for the bus approaching have to
> stick out their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive stop

Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they dissapeared about 20 
years ago - honest!  They have had the wording changed to "Bus stop"
this fact has been missed by the travelling public (and many drivers) who 
find change hard to handle, (and often miss buses)


> which means if any passengers are standing at this stop the bus if
> possible has to stop,but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,

No. this is a bus stop. the stop is the sign, not the shelter or some paint 
on the road.

>we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge.also these days people
> try to use the entrance doors to get off walking straight in to
> intending passengers which causes a lot of anger. i think this was due
> to the bendi-buses using the 3 doors as entrances and exits to which
> the passenger does not need to show their passes to the driver,but
> these buses get targetted by the revenue inspectors more often.these
> points i am making should be highlighted by the various bus companies
> who operate these routes and london transport.but has usual this is
> down to the driver again to point this out.the earlier comments i made
> about bus stops being request stops and compulsive stops,stops at
> 7.00pm and all stops become request stops as the time is cut for our
> journeys at this time. i would like also to add that if a bus stop is
> filled with buses the driver can continue to the next stop as we are
> not allowed by law to impede other vehicles on the road,as buses are
> not allowed by other road users to be impeded.one last thing bus
> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
> the passenger.

What a pleasure to read a lot of old wives tales, I just thank god i no 
longer work on tfl routes, as this sort of thing is common amongst the 
drivers there.
(The true reason for compulsory stops was as an animal rights thing, these 
were where there were water troughs for the horses to have a drink!, and 
some drivers are still observing them! ) The speed limt is whatever is 
displayed on the signs not what a barrack room lawyer tells you. Even the 
mighty tfl do not have the power to set speed limits, and drivers like 
yourself are perpetuating the myth and are holding back the progress into 
the 20th century, (the 21st will come later.)
remember, you are there to convey passengers, who incidently pay your wages. 
If you gave them a bit more consideration they may give you some. They wait 
at the bus stop sign as that is the bus stop, is it so difficult to pull up 
to the sign? In the london area (where more drivers than anywhere else have 
these No Value Qualification'S there is a blatant dissregard for passengers 
and other road users. i.e. if the road is busy, don't pull into the bus 
stop, sit in the middle of the road so you can get going again more easily, 
I want to be in the next lane so Iwill just pull across and stick my thunb 
up out of the window,  End result - the bus is not wheelchair accesible as 
it is 6 feet out into the road, and a load of motorists think that all bus 
drivers are idiots. Thanks guys! If i want to have that sort of reputation, 
I will set about getting it myself, You are not obliged to do it for me. 
Just as an aside, as there are no more trolley buses running in london, you 
are now allowed to overtake a bus that is full in front of you. If you do 
this rather than hang back behind a bus that is full, you might START giving 
the public the service they deserve.
If and when we get rid of these ridiculous restrictive and outdated 
practices we might get a modern service in London, instead of an archaic 
sytem run with modern buses.
D. Robinson (now working in the modern world)

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in
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>  wrote in message
> news:1182681071.070465.14590@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> > different bus routes us them,we have red flags which
> > means the stop is a request stop which means that
> > passengers  for the bus approaching have to stick out
> > their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive
> > stop
>
> Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they
> dissapeared about 20 years ago - honest!  They have had
> the wording changed to "Bus stop" this fact has been missed by the 
> travelling public (and
> many drivers) who find change hard to handle, (and often
> miss buses)

And the reason stops are still coloured red (and labelled "request") and 
white is............?

Ivor

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
 wrote:

> bus
>drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>the passenger.

This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
around 50mph.

I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
but which one?

Neil

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wrote in message
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> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that
> different bus routes us them,we have red flags which

[snip]

Rewrite with punctuation and a few capital letters, then we might get some 
idea of what you're saying.

Ivor

In message , 
"driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
>the white flag is a compulsive stop

I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)
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Birmingham, UK

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Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:31:11 -0700, "driver844@googlemail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> bus
>> drivers are not by law allowed to travel more than 28 mph in
>> service,so if your driver is doing more ,they should be told by you
>> the passenger.
> 
> This is clearly not the case - most of the Milton Keynes operation is
> quite a high-speed one, with regular service speeds on the grid being
> around 50mph.
> 
> I assume that this is either a company directive or a London byelaw -
> but which one?
> 
 From what I remember of London operations, it used to be LT policy, 
where speed limits were 30mph. (Back in the days of RT's).
Of course, now it's privatised....

Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

"driver844@googlemail.com" typed


> but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge...

Some of us *can't* walk 30 metres. If I'm out of my wheelchair to ease
boarding, I can only walk about 3 metres. If you stop the bus too far
away, I have to get back into my chair so my companion can push me to
the bus. If YOUR impatience causes me to miss your bus, I am NOT happy.

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Edgware.

Ian Jelf typed


> In message , 
> "driver844@googlemail.com"  writes
> >the white flag is a compulsive stop

> I do like the idea of a "Compulsive Stop"!   :-)

I know too many with OCD to *like* the idea ;-)

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Edgware.

wrote in message 
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> in london bus stops are multi-routed,which means that different bus
> routes us them,we have red flags which means the stop is a request
> stop which means that passengers  for the bus approaching have to
> stick out their hands to stop it.the white flag is a compulsive stop

Compulsory or "compulsive" stops are no more, they dissapeared about 20 
years ago - honest!  They have had the wording changed to "Bus stop"
this fact has been missed by the travelling public (and many drivers) who 
find change hard to handle, (and often miss buses)


> which means if any passengers are standing at this stop the bus if
> possible has to stop,but these days because the buses are larger the
> bus authorities paint the road with fancy red tarmac usually this is
> 30 metres long so the bus driver can stop anywhere within these
> markings and open the entrance doors and exit for passengers
> alighting,but we still get passengers standing at the post expecting
> the bus to come to them,this now is a myth,

No. this is a bus stop. the stop is the sign, not the shelter or some paint 
on the road.

>we are not taxis as
> such.people pay a lot more for this priviledge.also these days people
> try to use the entrance doors to get off walking straight in to
> intending passengers which causes a lot of anger. i think this was due
> to the bendi-buses using the 3 doors as entrances and exits to which
> the passenger does not need to show their passes to the driver,but
> these buses get targetted by the revenue inspectors more often.these
> points i am making should be highlighted by the various bus companies
> who operate these routes and london transport.but has usual this is
> down to the driver again to point this out.the earlier comments i made
> about bus stops being request stops and compulsive stops,stops at
> 7.00pm and all stops become request stops as the time is cut for our
> journeys at this time. i would like also to add that if a bus stop is
> filled with buses the driver can continue to the next stop as we are
> not allowed by law to impede other vehicles on the road,as buses are
> not allowed by other road users to be impeded.one last thing bus
> drivers are not by law allowed to tra