On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:
> Neil Williams wrote:
> > On May 21, 12:23 pm, "Dave"  wrote:
>
> >> We have them on here in blackpool. Like it has been said already, It was
> >> trialled and there were fewer accidents so it has become standard practice
>
> > I have had people comment that they saw one and thought the bus was
> > flashing them out...
>
> > That said, the EU seems to be making moves towards making daytime
> > running lights a requirement for all vehicles, so I suspect there is
> > something in it overall.
>
> > Neil
>
> It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a legal requirment at
> night! I am sick of black cars driving round with just sidelights, one
> of which is often out.
>
> Brian.

Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining etc. I always
use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen' drummed in to me. I never use
side lights, or candles as I prefer to call them as I believe they're
a waste of time.

Rant over..
Gaz :o)

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

"countess823"  wrote in message
news:1179934117.360374.94810@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 11:07, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam].com> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > It would be a start if they even made dipped beam a
> > legal requirment at night! I am sick of black cars
> > driving round with just sidelights, one of which is
> > often out.
>
> Quiet! ...And when it gets dark/dreary when it's raining
> etc. I always use dips, having had 'be safe, be seen'
> drummed in to me. I never use side lights, or candles as
> I prefer to call them as I believe they're a waste of
> time.

As someone who had a Volvo for years, I always use dipped headlights. I 
just bought a new motorcycle, they come with permanently on headlights as 
well now, which is all very well but it can make starting a pain if your 
battery is low. Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
once the engine is running..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
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> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations again, Ron.

Ivor

These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was overtaken on double white
lines, blind bends, most were way over the speed limit they treat the roads
like a race track, of course no police in sight
 wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> >once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
> starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
> users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
> on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
> the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
> mph .

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:C9-dnckguYjVR8DbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com
> These idiots are a menace, the other sunday I was
> overtaken on double white lines, blind bends, most were
> way over the speed limit they treat the roads like a race
> track, of course no police in sight

More sweeping generalisations. Are you related to Ron Chew..?

Ivor

On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only 
>once the engine is running..?

Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery when the engine
starts than the damned bikes will not pose a danger to other road
users. I am convinced motor cyclists think the speed restriction signs
on the countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me on
the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I was doing 70
mph .

wrote in message
news:efbp53t2cnol5l2qoesso8gs07mebvc78u@4ax.com
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:21:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Why can't they put a relay in so the lights come on only
> > once the engine is running..?
>
> Why can't they make it so the lights drain the battery
> when the engine starts than the damned bikes will not
> pose a danger to other road users. I am convinced motor
> cyclists think the speed restriction signs on the
> countries roads are purely for decoration , two passed me
> on the motorway to day and disappeared out of sight and I
> was doing 70 mph .

There you go with those sweeping generalisations a