I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in message
news:NAa4i.27545$085.2597@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that
> running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents.
The
> company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the
> ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard
> practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
> D.R.
>
>

We have them on here in blackpool. Like it has been said already, It was
trialled and there were fewer accidents so it has become standard practice

trams too !

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in message
news:NAa4i.27545$085.2597@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that
> running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents.
The
> company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the
> ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard
> practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
> D.R.
>
>

We have them on here in blackpool. Like it has been said already, It was
trialled and there were fewer accidents so it has become standard practice

trams too !

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in message
news:NAa4i.27545$085.2597@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that
> running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents.
The
> company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the
> ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard
> practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
> D.R.
>
>

We have them on here in blackpool. Like it has been said already, It was
trialled and there were fewer accidents so it has become standard practice

trams too !

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in message
news:NAa4i.27545$085.2597@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that
> running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents.
The
> company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the
> ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard
> practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
> D.R.
>
>

We have them on here in blackpool. Like it has been said already, It was
trialled and there were fewer accidents so it has become standard practice

trams too !

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
news:IcSdnfYOOoIGGc3bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com...
>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
news:gO6dnXqZaaEx4M3bnZ2dnUVZ8qCqnZ2d@bt.com
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in message
news:NAa4i.27545$085.2597@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that
> running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents.
The
> company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the
> ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard
> practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
> D.R.
>
>

We have them on here in blackpool. Like it has been said already, It was
trialled and there were fewer accidents so it has become standard practice

trams too !

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
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> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
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>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
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> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in message
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> Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that
> running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents.
The
> company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the
> ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard
> practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
> D.R.
>
>

We have them on here in blackpool. Like it has been said already, It was
trialled and there were fewer accidents so it has become standard practice

trams too !

greyprimer wrote:
> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> 
> 

Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in 
northern Europe

Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the 
lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

Arriva seem to have a policy on this, like I say it should be left to the
driver, after all he is in charge of the vehicle stagecoach do not seem to
have them on
"Mark B"  wrote in message
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> greyprimer wrote:
> > I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time,
what
> > is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the
bus
> > before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer
they
> > go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater,
bulbs
> > will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit
for
> > the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
> >
> >
>
> Could be Volvos - Headlights on all the time. As is legally required in
> northern Europe
>
> Stagecoach Devon use them in pedestrian zones, you will often see the
> lights go on as they approach Exeter High Street

"greyprimer"  wrote in message 
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>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, 
>what
> is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see 
> the bus
> before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the 
> dimmer they
> go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, 
> bulbs
> will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any 
> benefit for
> the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in
>

My understanding is that, one operator or depot within an operator ran 
this as a trial and reported a downturn in the number of 
accidents/incidents, this was then adopted as policy and seemingly 
many others have followed suit.
I suspect that any increase in costs for batteries, bulbs etc is more 
than outweighed by the likely insurance (and other) costs that might 
otherwise be incurred.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:56:08 +0100, "greyprimer"
 wrote:

>I know some companies have a policy of using headlights all the time, what
>is the point. Most of the time the headlights are that dim, you see the bus
>before the lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the dimmer they
>go . More fuel will be used as well, more strain on the alternater, bulbs
>will go, batteries will get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for
>the use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to pack in

This started with Greyhound in the USA, who found that the accident
rate fell dramatically when their buses ran with headlights on during
the day. I believe that LT specified that buses were to use headlights
when running in contraflow-bus-only lanes.

In some US states, headlights are compulsory when it is raining.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

"greyprimer"  wrote in message
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> I know some companies have a policy of using headlights
> all the time, what is the point. Most of the time the
> headlights are that dim, you see the bus before the
> lights. Constant use delvelopes a resistance and the
> dimmer they go . More fuel will be used as well, more
> strain on the alternater, bulbs will go, batteries will
> get hot, there does not seem to be any benefit for the
> use after all if you cannot see a bus coming its time to
> pack in

It's a legal requirement in many inner cities to use headlights in 
predominantly pedestrianised areas. Many drivers would just switch the 
lights on and leave them on.

The thing that annoys me is using front foglamps when it isn't foggy. I 
know not many buses have them but our Mercedes O405N's do and some drivers 
seem to think they're extra headlights. They're not and they dazzle..!

Ivor

Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that 
running with headlights on 24/7 resulted in a 20% downturn in accidents. The 
company then wired all vehicles so that the headlights come on with the 
ignition. Other companies soon followed, and it is virtually standard 
practice in the real industry. (i.e. out side London)
D.R.

"Duncan Robinson"  wrote in message
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> Arriva who basically self insure, found a survey where it was proven that
> running with