Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
- Chris B.

"CJB"  wrote in message 
news:1178715940.950820.67310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> - Chris B.
>

Sandtoft - www.sandtoft.org.uk, The Black Country Museum - www.bclm.co.uk 
and The East Anglia Transport Museum www.eatm.org.uk.  Check the websites 
for the various opening times - the Black Country Museum is open daily (it 
has the longest circuit but only normally runs two tbuses) and the other two 
are weekends and / or special event days only.  Sandtoft is my personal 
favourite.

HTH

Kevin "The Lurker" Harper

On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
 wrote:

|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|- Chris B.

The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> wrote:
>
>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|- Chris B.
>
>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.

The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
deck trolleybus route in the world".
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> |- Chris B.
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>

Pete,

I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
end and a loop at the other.

Nice bit of video BTW

HTH

Kevin the Lurker

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>

Pete,

As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
idea when?

Thanks

Kevin

"CJB"  wrote in message 
news:1178715940.950820.67310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> - Chris B.
>

Sandtoft - www.sandtoft.org.uk, The Black Country Museum - www.bclm.co.uk 
and The East Anglia Transport Museum www.eatm.org.uk.  Check the websites 
for the various opening times - the Black Country Museum is open daily (it 
has the longest circuit but only normally runs two tbuses) and the other two 
are weekends and / or special event days only.  Sandtoft is my personal 
favourite.

HTH

Kevin "The Lurker" Harper

On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
 wrote:

|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|- Chris B.

The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> wrote:
>
>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|- Chris B.
>
>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.

The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
deck trolleybus route in the world".
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> |- Chris B.
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>

Pete,

I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
end and a loop at the other.

Nice bit of video BTW

HTH

Kevin the Lurker

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>

Pete,

As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
idea when?

Thanks

Kevin

On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 +0100, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
 wrote:

|In message , Pete Baggett 
| writes
|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|> wrote:
|>
|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|>|- Chris B.
|>
|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|
|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
|deck trolleybus route in the world".

Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|> |- Chris B.
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
|double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
|the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
|a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
|circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
|end and a loop at the other.
|

They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
between the various features on the site. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:08:48 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
|trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
|correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
|was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
|buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
|idea when?
|

That is news to me. I've certainly had no mention of that and it
hasn't appeared in the bulletin.

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On 9 May, 22:04, "Kevin Harper"  wrote:
> "Pete Baggett"  wrote in message
>
> news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
>
> > On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >  wrote:
>
> > |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> > |- Chris B.
>
> > The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> > deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> > Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>
> Pete,
>
> I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have
> double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is
> the longest of the three and forms a continuous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms
> a continuous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the
> circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one
> end and a loop at the other.
>
> Nice bit of video BTW
>
> HTH
>
> Kevin the Lurker

Whilst Sandtoft and Carlton Colville, both excellent transport
museums, have trolleybus lines in operation where you can ride on the
vehicles which are operating, The Black Country Living Museum circuit
actually is a route, serving the entrance buildings (and transport
depot), and the museum village half a mile away on days when the Black
Country Museum Transport Group's volunteers are available to operate a
bus or two. (The Museum's 3' 6" gauge tramway also runs between these
termini daily, as the footpaths between them are quite steep in
places.)
The trolleybus circuit totals 0.8 of a mile, and many of the public
who use it are unaware that the buses are electric until the conductor
points it out.
Some people notice though, "See those poles on the roof of the bus,"
one man said to his young son, "They scrape the electricity off those
wires, to make it go."
Some even think the wires steer the buses, like those old Eheim model
ones!
Lloyd.

"CJB"  wrote in message 
news:1178715940.950820.67310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> - Chris B.
>

Sandtoft - www.sandtoft.org.uk, The Black Country Museum - www.bclm.co.uk 
and The East Anglia Transport Museum www.eatm.org.uk.  Check the websites 
for the various opening times - the Black Country Museum is open daily (it 
has the longest circuit but only normally runs two tbuses) and the other two 
are weekends and / or special event days only.  Sandtoft is my personal 
favourite.

HTH

Kevin "The Lurker" Harper

On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
 wrote:

|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|- Chris B.

The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> wrote:
>
>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|- Chris B.
>
>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.

The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
deck trolleybus route in the world".
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> |- Chris B.
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>

Pete,

I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
end and a loop at the other.

Nice bit of video BTW

HTH

Kevin the Lurker

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>

Pete,

As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
idea when?

Thanks

Kevin

On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 +0100, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
 wrote:

|In message , Pete Baggett 
| writes
|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|> wrote:
|>
|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|>|- Chris B.
|>
|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|
|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
|deck trolleybus route in the world".

Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|> |- Chris B.
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
|double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
|the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
|a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
|circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
|end and a loop at the other.
|

They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
between the various features on the site. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:08:48 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
|trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
|correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
|was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
|buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
|idea when?
|

That is news to me. I've certainly had no mention of that and it
hasn't appeared in the bulletin.

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On 9 May, 22:04, "Kevin Harper"  wrote:
> "Pete Baggett"  wrote in message
>
> news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
>
> > On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >  wrote:
>
> > |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> > |- Chris B.
>
> > The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> > deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> > Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>
> Pete,
>
> I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have
> double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is
> the longest of the three and forms a continuous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms
> a continuous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the
> circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one
> end and a loop at the other.
>
> Nice bit of video BTW
>
> HTH
>
> Kevin the Lurker

Whilst Sandtoft and Carlton Colville, both excellent transport
museums, have trolleybus lines in operation where you can ride on the
vehicles which are operating, The Black Country Living Museum circuit
actually is a route, serving the entrance buildings (and transport
depot), and the museum village half a mile away on days when the Black
Country Museum Transport Group's volunteers are available to operate a
bus or two. (The Museum's 3' 6" gauge tramway also runs between these
termini daily, as the footpaths between them are quite steep in
places.)
The trolleybus circuit totals 0.8 of a mile, and many of the public
who use it are unaware that the buses are electric until the conductor
points it out.
Some people notice though, "See those poles on the roof of the bus,"
one man said to his young son, "They scrape the electricity off those
wires, to make it go."
Some even think the wires steer the buses, like those old Eheim model
ones!
Lloyd.

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:msr6435e3sv4qn4c46l2320vj8vhneftqb@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
>  wrote:
>
>
> They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
> they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
> started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
> between the various features on the site.
>

Pete,

Point taken - I see exactly where you're coming from with this and I would 
agree.  It's the thing I like most at the bi-annual trolleybus events when 
visiting trolleybuses can actually run a continous route.

Kevin

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:01s6431o2pv76ho33vc03j2hbr90giqdjv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:08:48 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
>  wrote:
>
> |Pete,
> |
> |As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the
> |trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember 
> the
> |correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth 
> event
> |was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some 
> Bournemouth
> |buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, 
> any
> |idea when?
> |
>
> That is news to me. I've certainly had no mention of that and it
> hasn't appeared in the bulletin.
>

Pete,

That's a shame.  One of the chaps in the little shop built into the 
transport workshop was going on about it and it sounded really good.  When I 
was but a mere strip of a lad we used to go to Bournemouth on our holiday 
each year and that's where I got my love of trolleybuses from.

If you do hear anything about it, can you post it in the group please?

Thanks

Kevin

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 +0100, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> wrote:
>
>|In message , Pete Baggett
>| writes
>|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>|> wrote:
>|>
>|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|>|- Chris B.
>|>
>|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>|
>|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
>|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
>|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
>|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
>Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
>BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
>points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.

I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics. 
Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in 
that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of 
riding on a trolleybus.

The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that 
the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.

I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually 
pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My 
love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where 
I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and - 
on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked 
which one I'd *like*!)

The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge 
people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"CJB"  wrote in message 
news:1178715940.950820.67310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> - Chris B.
>

Sandtoft - www.sandtoft.org.uk, The Black Country Museum - www.bclm.co.uk 
and The East Anglia Transport Museum www.eatm.org.uk.  Check the websites 
for the various opening times - the Black Country Museum is open daily (it 
has the longest circuit but only normally runs two tbuses) and the other two 
are weekends and / or special event days only.  Sandtoft is my personal 
favourite.

HTH

Kevin "The Lurker" Harper

On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
 wrote:

|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|- Chris B.

The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> wrote:
>
>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|- Chris B.
>
>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.

The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
deck trolleybus route in the world".
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> |- Chris B.
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>

Pete,

I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
end and a loop at the other.

Nice bit of video BTW

HTH

Kevin the Lurker

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>

Pete,

As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
idea when?

Thanks

Kevin

On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 +0100, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
 wrote:

|In message , Pete Baggett 
| writes
|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|> wrote:
|>
|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|>|- Chris B.
|>
|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|
|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
|deck trolleybus route in the world".

Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|> |- Chris B.
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
|double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
|the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
|a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
|circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
|end and a loop at the other.
|

They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
between the various features on the site. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:08:48 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
|trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
|correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
|was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
|buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
|idea when?
|

That is news to me. I've certainly had no mention of that and it
hasn't appeared in the bulletin.

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On 9 May, 22:04, "Kevin Harper"  wrote:
> "Pete Baggett"  wrote in message
>
> news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
>
> > On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >  wrote:
>
> > |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> > |- Chris B.
>
> > The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> > deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> > Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>
> Pete,
>
> I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have
> double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is
> the longest of the three and forms a continuous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms
> a continuous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the
> circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one
> end and a loop at the other.
>
> Nice bit of video BTW
>
> HTH
>
> Kevin the Lurker

Whilst Sandtoft and Carlton Colville, both excellent transport
museums, have trolleybus lines in operation where you can ride on the
vehicles which are operating, The Black Country Living Museum circuit
actually is a route, serving the entrance buildings (and transport
depot), and the museum village half a mile away on days when the Black
Country Museum Transport Group's volunteers are available to operate a
bus or two. (The Museum's 3' 6" gauge tramway also runs between these
termini daily, as the footpaths between them are quite steep in
places.)
The trolleybus circuit totals 0.8 of a mile, and many of the public
who use it are unaware that the buses are electric until the conductor
points it out.
Some people notice though, "See those poles on the roof of the bus,"
one man said to his young son, "They scrape the electricity off those
wires, to make it go."
Some even think the wires steer the buses, like those old Eheim model
ones!
Lloyd.

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:msr6435e3sv4qn4c46l2320vj8vhneftqb@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
>  wrote:
>
>
> They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
> they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
> started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
> between the various features on the site.
>

Pete,

Point taken - I see exactly where you're coming from with this and I would 
agree.  It's the thing I like most at the bi-annual trolleybus events when 
visiting trolleybuses can actually run a continous route.

Kevin

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:01s6431o2pv76ho33vc03j2hbr90giqdjv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:08:48 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
>  wrote:
>
> |Pete,
> |
> |As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the
> |trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember 
> the
> |correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth 
> event
> |was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some 
> Bournemouth
> |buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, 
> any
> |idea when?
> |
>
> That is news to me. I've certainly had no mention of that and it
> hasn't appeared in the bulletin.
>

Pete,

That's a shame.  One of the chaps in the little shop built into the 
transport workshop was going on about it and it sounded really good.  When I 
was but a mere strip of a lad we used to go to Bournemouth on our holiday 
each year and that's where I got my love of trolleybuses from.

If you do hear anything about it, can you post it in the group please?

Thanks

Kevin

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 +0100, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> wrote:
>
>|In message , Pete Baggett
>| writes
>|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>|> wrote:
>|>
>|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|>|- Chris B.
>|>
>|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>|
>|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
>|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
>|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
>|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
>Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
>BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
>points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.

I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics. 
Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in 
that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of 
riding on a trolleybus.

The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that 
the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.

I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually 
pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My 
love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where 
I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and - 
on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked 
which one I'd *like*!)

The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge 
people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"CJB"  wrote in message 
news:1178715940.950820.67310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> - Chris B.
>

Sandtoft - www.sandtoft.org.uk, The Black Country Museum - www.bclm.co.uk 
and The East Anglia Transport Museum www.eatm.org.uk.  Check the websites 
for the various opening times - the Black Country Museum is open daily (it 
has the longest circuit but only normally runs two tbuses) and the other two 
are weekends and / or special event days only.  Sandtoft is my personal 
favourite.

HTH

Kevin "The Lurker" Harper

On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
 wrote:

|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|- Chris B.

The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> wrote:
>
>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|- Chris B.
>
>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.

The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
deck trolleybus route in the world".
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> |- Chris B.
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>

Pete,

I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
end and a loop at the other.

Nice bit of video BTW

HTH

Kevin the Lurker

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>  wrote:
>
> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>

Pete,

As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
idea when?

Thanks

Kevin

On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 +0100, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
 wrote:

|In message , Pete Baggett 
| writes
|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|> wrote:
|>
|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|>|- Chris B.
|>
|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|
|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely 
|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There 
|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double 
|deck trolleybus route in the world".

Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|> |- Chris B.
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have 
|double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is 
|the longest of the three and forms a continous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms 
|a continous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the 
|circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one 
|end and a loop at the other.
|

They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
between the various features on the site. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:08:48 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|> On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|>  wrote:
|>
|> The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the 
|trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember the 
|correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth event 
|was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some Bournemouth 
|buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, any 
|idea when?
|

That is news to me. I've certainly had no mention of that and it
hasn't appeared in the bulletin.

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On 9 May, 22:04, "Kevin Harper"  wrote:
> "Pete Baggett"  wrote in message
>
> news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
>
> > On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >  wrote:
>
> > |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> > |- Chris B.
>
> > The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> > deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> > Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
>
> Pete,
>
> I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have
> double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is
> the longest of the three and forms a continuous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms
> a continuous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the
> circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one
> end and a loop at the other.
>
> Nice bit of video BTW
>
> HTH
>
> Kevin the Lurker

Whilst Sandtoft and Carlton Colville, both excellent transport
museums, have trolleybus lines in operation where you can ride on the
vehicles which are operating, The Black Country Living Museum circuit
actually is a route, serving the entrance buildings (and transport
depot), and the museum village half a mile away on days when the Black
Country Museum Transport Group's volunteers are available to operate a
bus or two. (The Museum's 3' 6" gauge tramway also runs between these
termini daily, as the footpaths between them are quite steep in
places.)
The trolleybus circuit totals 0.8 of a mile, and many of the public
who use it are unaware that the buses are electric until the conductor
points it out.
Some people notice though, "See those poles on the roof of the bus,"
one man said to his young son, "They scrape the electricity off those
wires, to make it go."
Some even think the wires steer the buses, like those old Eheim model
ones!
Lloyd.

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:msr6435e3sv4qn4c46l2320vj8vhneftqb@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
>  wrote:
>
>
> They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
> they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
> started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
> between the various features on the site.
>

Pete,

Point taken - I see exactly where you're coming from with this and I would 
agree.  It's the thing I like most at the bi-annual trolleybus events when 
visiting trolleybuses can actually run a continous route.

Kevin

"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
news:01s6431o2pv76ho33vc03j2hbr90giqdjv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:08:48 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
>  wrote:
>
> |Pete,
> |
> |As an aside, when I was at the Black Country museum last year for the
> |trolley fortnight, one of the transport group (sorry, I can't remember 
> the
> |correct name) chaps that I spoke to there mentioned that a Bournemouth 
> event
> |was going to be held at the museum this year, complete with some 
> Bournemouth
> |buses and trolleybuses.  Do you know if it is going to happen?  If so, 
> any
> |idea when?
> |
>
> That is news to me. I've certainly had no mention of that and it
> hasn't appeared in the bulletin.
>

Pete,

That's a shame.  One of the chaps in the little shop built into the 
transport workshop was going on about it and it sounded really good.  When I 
was but a mere strip of a lad we used to go to Bournemouth on our holiday 
each year and that's where I got my love of trolleybuses from.

If you do hear anything about it, can you post it in the group please?

Thanks

Kevin

In message , Pete Baggett 
 writes
>On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 +0100, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> wrote:
>
>|In message , Pete Baggett
>| writes
>|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
>|> wrote:
>|>
>|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
>|>|- Chris B.
>|>
>|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
>|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
>|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
>|
>|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
>|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
>|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
>|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
>Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
>BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
>points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.

I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics. 
Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in 
that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of 
riding on a trolleybus.

The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that 
the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.

I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually 
pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My 
love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where 
I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and - 
on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked 
which one I'd *like*!)

The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge 
people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

On Thu, 10 May 2007 21:11:14 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
 wrote:

|"Pete Baggett"  wrote in message 
|news:msr6435e3sv4qn4c46l2320vj8vhneftqb@4ax.com...
|> On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:38 GMT, in uk.transport.buses "Kevin Harper"
|>  wrote:
|>
|>
|> They are not routes. Passengers cannot get on or off where they like,
|> they get on, go for a very brief ride and then get off where they
|> started. At the BCLM, the trolleys are used by visitors to travel
|> between the various features on the site.
|>
|
|Pete,
|
|Point taken - I see exactly where you're coming from with this and I would 
|agree.  It's the thing I like most at the bi-annual trolleybus events when 
|visiting trolleybuses can actually run a continous route.
|

There is, of course, a downside. The wiring is geared to providing the
service and thus, from the trolleybus enthusiasts point of view, is
too simple. There is only one frog that is in use by vehicles on
service. To see frogs and crossings in action, then Sandtoft has to be
the place to go. There the conductors have to jump off, operate the
frog let the bus go through and jump back on. 

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On 10 May 2007 12:34:27 -0700, in uk.transport.buses Lloyd
 wrote:

|On 9 May, 22:04, "Kevin Harper"  wrote:
|> "Pete Baggett"  wrote in message
|>
|> news:ba6443ptl0plresd3o12efp4leirv9ckq7@4ax.com...
|>
|> > On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
|> >  wrote:
|>
|> > |Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
|> > |- Chris B.
|>
|> > The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
|> > deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
|> > Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
|>
|> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e5topg4nwk
|>
|> Pete,
|>
|> I have to disagree with you.  Sandtoft and Carlton Colville (EATM) both have
|> double deck trolleybus routes.  The Black Country Museum route, however, is
|> the longest of the three and forms a continuous circuit.  Sandtoft also forms
|> a continuous circuit, but is "frogged" to allow varous loops within the
|> circuit.  The EATM route runs end to end with a reversing triangle at one
|> end and a loop at the other.
|>
|> Nice bit of video BTW
|>
|> HTH
|>
|> Kevin the Lurker
|
|Whilst Sandtoft and Carlton Colville, both excellent transport
|museums, have trolleybus lines in operation where you can ride on the
|vehicles which are operating, The Black Country Living Museum circuit
|actually is a route, serving the entrance buildings (and transport
|depot), and the museum village half a mile away on days when the Black
|Country Museum Transport Group's volunteers are available to operate a
|bus or two. (The Museum's 3' 6" gauge tramway also runs between these
|termini daily, as the footpaths between them are quite steep in
|places.)

And to really appreciate the trolleybus and how it actually ran in the
UK, the dedicated enthusiast really must visit all three museums. Each
offers a very different view of the trolleybus.

|The trolleybus circuit totals 0.8 of a mile, and many of the public
|who use it are unaware that the buses are electric until the conductor
|points it out.
|Some people notice though, "See those poles on the roof of the bus,"
|one man said to his young son, "They scrape the electricity off those
|wires, to make it go."
|Some even think the wires steer the buses, like those old Eheim model
|ones!

I was asked once why there was a steering wheel in the cab.

-- 
   Pete Baggett 
   My Web Page:-
   http://www.wulfrunian.net
   (Trolleybus page http://www.under2wires.co.uk)

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
>  writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
> > wrote:
>
> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
> >|> wrote:
> >|>
> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
> >|>
> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
>
> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
>
> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
>
> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
>
> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years ago where
> I was a bit disappointed at there being not trolleybuses running and -
> on hearing that - offered to get one out for me!   (They even asked
> which one I'd *like*!)
>
> The operation at Dudley is excellent (as is the Museum, which I urge
> people to visit) but it's not "unique" to my way of thinking.
> --
> Ian Jelf, MITG
> Birmingham, UK
>
> Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, for the real thing you have to go a bit further afield:

http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/tram/20051224_9tp/

or
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/trolleybus/Moscow/MTRZ/pix.html

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

On May 11, 12:46�am, Ian Jelf  wrote:
> In message , Pete Baggett
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> >On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:45 퍝, in uk.transport.buses Ian Jelf
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> >|In message , Pete Baggett
> >| writes
> >|>On 9 May 2007 06:05:40 -0700, in uk.transport.buses CJB
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> >|>|Where is it possible see and ride trolleys buses in the UK now? Cheers
> >|>|- Chris B.
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> >|>The Black Country Living Museum is now the home to the only double
> >|>deck trolleybus route in the world. They run on Sundays and Bank
> >|>Holidays transporting visitors round the 26 acre site.
> >|
> >|The BCLM certainly run more regularly than the other sites but surely
> >|there's still double deck operation at Carlton Colville?   There
> >|certainly is at Sandtoft on Trolleydays, so it's not "the only double
> >|deck trolleybus route in the world".
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> >Neither Sandtoft nor Carlton Coleville run an actual route. At the
> >BCLM the trolleys run a service round the site with stops at several
> >points. Passengers may get on or off at any of these points.
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> I can see where you're coming from but I think this is just semantics.
> Both Sandtoft and Carlton Colville run what I would term "routes", in
> that they carry passengers along a line and give them the experience of
> riding on a trolleybus.
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> The BCLM route certainly provides a transport *service* in a way that
> the others do not but I would still term both of them routes.
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> I paid my first ever visit to Sandtoft last year and was actually
> pleasantly surprised by the scale and variety of operation there.   My
> love of Carlton Colville is based on a visit there many years a