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date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:03:49 -0700,    group: uk.transport.air        back       
Inside Heathrow's protest camp: A battle to save the world   
Inside Heathrow's protest camp: A battle to save the world
By Johann Hari

Published: 18 August 2007

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article2874123.ece

If you happen to be passing through Hatton Cross this weekend, you
will see a swollen army of police officers equipped with weapons and
video cameras and peeved expressions. They will greet you at the
entrance to the Tube stations, to the airport, and on every corner,
and they will probably film your face as you walk by. They are ready
and raring to use the new anti-terror laws. So you might wonder - has
Osama bin Laden been spotted in the vicinity?

No. A legion of environmentalists, committed to non-violent direct
action, have erected an array of marquees and wind turbines and
compost toilets in an empty field. As I spent this week with them, I
discovered they have one purpose: to urge us to listen to the world's
scientists and cut back on our greenhouse gas emissions - before we
descend into climate chaos we cannot reverse and may not survive.

Alice James is sitting outside the bright white Children's Tent in the
makeshift protest-city that has risen in an empty field next to
Heathrow. The 26-year-old is a PhD student in atmospheric physics and
she is watching her son bounce merrily on a trampoline as she
explains, "We are trying to say to the people over there" - she points
at Heathrow - "Do you know the connection between your flight and the
hurricanes and the floods and the droughts we are seeing intensify
across the world? Do you care?" She is drowned out by the roar of a
cheap flight far above. Sitting later in my leaking tent, watching the
Climate Camp bustle by, it seems like a surreal splicing of
Glastonbury, a science seminar, and the civil rights movement. On
every corner, people are discussing the nature of the warming world we
are rapidly bringing to boiling point.

At one end, Mayer Hillman, the 76-year-old climate-change campaigner,
is saying to a crowd: "We are on a trajectory towards the extinction
of life on earth. In the main, people have done this unwittingly, so
it can be excused. But now we know what we are doing, and it cannot be
excused."

Further along, hundreds more are discussing how Britain can claw back
its emissions, whether it's through a new, much better coach network
or a Europe-wide electrical super-grid. These "unemployed layabouts"
and "stupid hippies" (copyright Talksport Radio) must be the most
scientifically qualified protesters in history, with every other
person seemingly a science graduate.

I recognise an undercover journalist from a right-wing newspaper.
"This is terrible!" he says "I've been sent to find stories about drug-
addicted layabouts and they're all nice people with PhDs."

An impromptu barbershop quartet dressed as air stewards has formed.
"Your exits are here, here, here and here," sings one. "Unfortunately,
there are no exits from the planet." The next day, this is reported in
the right-wing press with the headline: "Protesters dress as pilots to
raid airports."

The contrast between the actual camp in here and the media camp Out
There - the one ferverishly imagined by a press that is shut out - is
often this bizarre. Ben Healey from the camp's media team tells me:
"The press has been fair on the whole but unfortunately it has been
infiltrated by a militant fringe led by the Evening Standard and some
unsavoury elements have piled in behind them." I keep hearing on the
radio about "militants flooding in" to the camp, and try to figure out
who they are exactly. The hippies who have brought big bunny rabbits
and chickens along? The big guy with the shaved head who starts
quoting Gandhi at me?

Perhaps 83-year-old Ethel Bull is The Militant. Leaning on her walking
stick, she says to me, "I'm going to be made homeless [if they build a
third runway] and I want to know why. Where do you go when you're 83?"

She is one of the legion of locals from the surrounding villages of
Sipson, Harlington and Harmondsworth who have embraced the camp as one
of the last ways to save their homes. Derby Bahia, a mechanic,
enthuses: "It's fantastic. I've never seen anything so wonderful in my
life. The only thing I'm worried about is the police. Why don't they
go and find some murderers instead?"

Linda McCutcheon, in her 60s, looks out across the village and says,
"If this runway goes ahead, 41 years of my life will be under
concrete. My children were born in that house there. I live there. My
first family home is just beyond there. All gone."

Small teams of protesters - "affinity groups" - are already spreading
out from the camp to protest at the Department for Transport and to
block the private jets of the super-rich at Biggin Hill and Northolt
private airports. But on Wednesday, we all gather in the biggest
marquee to decide on the target for the main demonstration this
weekend.

All the decisions here are made by consensus: we decide them
collectively and carry them out collectively. There are a slew of
deserving targets submitted for discussion: the offices of Heathrow's
operator, BAA, which has tried to have this protest declared illegal;
the building for the new ecocidal disaster of Terminal Five; the
garden of Sir Clive Solely, the former Labour MP who became campaign
director of Heathrow Future; a carbon offset company to punish them
for the keep-on-flying myths they peddle, and more.

Everybody takes the decision with thoughtful seriousness, offering
complex and media-savvy reasons for each one that we then break into
smaller groups to discuss. From speaker to speaker, there is a plain
commitment to never use violence against people: as protester Richard
George puts it, "The only thing we are armed with is the peer-reviewed
science."

There seems to be a general agreement, too, that The Enemy here is
BAA, the airline industry and the Government's current policies. Time
and again, speakers stress they don't want to target passengers. A few
people cavil at that. One says: "If you're sitting in a drought in
Africa caused by global warming, you'd find it a bit odd that we don't
want to even delay Mrs Jones by a few hours to make our point on their
behalf." Most people shake their heads and say disrupting passengers
will play into the hands of the camp's enemies.

Scattered across the meetings that follow, the camp seems confident
enough in its shared goals to express a few disagreements.

There is a division between people who believe the solutions have to
come largely from governments imposing carbon rationing and investing
in large renewable infrastructure projects, and more anarchist-minded
protesters who think this is authoritarian and makes the protesters
too complicit in existing power structures.

Bemused at being attacked as pro-government, Mayer Hillman says to one
anarchist: "You go down to Heathrow airport and tell them you want to
build an anarchist grassroots society from the bottom up, now will you
please give up your flight? They'll tell you to fuck off."

Everyone agrees, though, that we must not use violence against human
beings. Yet the police seem determined to use anti-terror laws sold to
the public with the promise they would only be used against wannabe
suicide bombers. On Tuesday night, a battalion of 40 officers turned
up at the camp with full riot gear - and a cavalcade of ambulances -
demanding entry. The protesters stood in front of them in the rain,
folded their arms, and chanted: "Out! Out!" After hours of staring
angrily, the police finally shambled out.

Not every act of police over-reaction has been rebuffed so
successfully. When a group of the campers went out to join up with a
march by local residents, the police swooped and surrounded them,
forcing them on to a bizarre march to Heathrow and back sandwiched
between police vans. Katie Smith, 25, who works as a home help for the
elderly, had a banner reading "Camp for Climate Action" seized. When
she asked what was illegal about it, the officer snapped, "You could
do anything with a banner like that." She asked where she could get it
back, and they said she could go to the police station in Heathrow
airport - which the protesters are banned from entering. As I gape at
this, I have to shake myself and remember: we are the ones on the side
of almost all the world's scientists, and we are only exercising our
democratic right to protest.

When I see the police seizing bags and thrusting cameras into the
faces of these peaceful people, I keep comparing it in my mind to the
policing of fuel protests back in 2000. A group of truckers, enraged
that their God-given right to burn cheap oil was being infringed by
mildly green taxes, brought Britain to a standstill. Supermarket
shelves emptied; people began to panic. Through it all, the police did
nothing, treating the barricaders like mildly naughty children. The
very newspapers now damning direct action as "undemocratic" and
"disgusting" cheered them on. So according to the police and the right-
wing press, protesting to speed up global warming is fine, even if it
causes food shortages; but protest to halt global warming and you
become a mini Bin Laden.

Standing not far from these police vans, environmental campaigner
George Monbiot summarises the stakes to a pensive crowd. He quotes
from a scientific paper by Nasa's Professor James Hansen, which says
that the last time the world warmed by 2-3 degrees C in such a short
time, the world's major ice sheets collapsed very quickly - and sea
levels rose by 25 metres. "If that happens again," he says, "it would
inundate the areas where 60 per cent of human beings live." The
assembled Climate Camp listens to this statistic with a sad but
unsurprised revulsion.

By gathering here, we have shown that at least a few thousand people
are sane enough to wave and shout as the ice-sheets fall - even if the
rest of the world strolls silently by into a shiny new jetplane to
Hell.
date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:03:49 -0700   author:   SB

Re: Inside Heathrow's protest camp: A battle to save the world   
JNugent wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>
>> "JNugent"  wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ... ]
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're already doing "non-violent".
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can they be, when they're plainly resorting to violent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confrontation and illegal occupation of and damage to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> property?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lawful doesn't work, if you had any understanding of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history you'd know that, wouldn't you?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "lawful persuasion" does not at first succeed - give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. The public clearly aren't interested and protestors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a mission have no right to force their views to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> listened to.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Argue from principle, not from expediency. If the BNP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were doing something similar, would you support their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "right" to commit unlawful violent acts in order to force
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others to listen?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't need to speculate on what activities a legal
>>>>>>>>>>>> political party may do, but probably wouldn't.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you support the actions taken by the Suffragettes?
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which bit of "Argue from principle, not from expediency" is
>>>>>>>>>>> too difficult for you to understand?
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't support criminal acts by X unless you would support
>>>>>>>>>>> them from Y.
>
>>>>>>>>>> So you don't support the notion of women having the vote.
>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough, you only had to say so.
>
>>>>>>>>> What I don't support the notion of is violent attacks on
>>>>>>>>> people or property.
>
>>>>>>>> If you don't support acting outside the law then you don't
>>>>>>>> support the actions that the Suffragettes engaged in and thus
>>>>>>>> don't support votes for women.
>
>>>>>>> That's sheer nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself.
>>>>>>> There are lots of things I would rather see government doing
>>>>>>> (or, as the case may be, not doing), but I do not advocate
>>>>>>> violence in order to achieve desirable changes.
>
>>>>>> To be fair direct action doesn't have to equal violent action.
>
>>>>> I count illegal occupation of land or buildings - or damage done
>>>>> to them - as violence.
>
>>>> And if such use results in the land being in a better or the same
>>>> condition as before the use?
>
>>> Is that a question?
>
>> Yes.
>
>>> If so, what were you trying to ask?
>
>> What if such use results in the land being in a better or the same
>> condition as before the use?
>
> Do you not understand what illegal occupation and/or trespass is?

So that's a "I hadn't thought of that" is it?
date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:32:14 +0100   author:   Brimstone

Re: Inside Heathrow's protest camp: A battle to save the world   
"JNugent"  wrote in message 
news:_oqdnXtLh_ZnsVHbnZ2dnUVZ8sHinZ2d@pipex.net...
> Brimstone wrote:
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
>> news:XqmdnS2oe5bPtVHbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>>>Fod wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 21 Aug, 23:26, JNugent 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brimstone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>JNugent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brimstone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JNugent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brimstone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"JNugent"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:Ho6dnRSeDZA_hVbbRVnytQA@pipex.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brimstone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>JNugent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>[ ... ]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>They're already doing "non-violent".
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How can they be, when they're plainly resorting to violent
>>>>>>>>>>>confrontation and illegal occupation of and damage to property?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lawful doesn't work, if you had any understanding of history
>>>>>>>>>>>>you'd know that, wouldn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If "lawful persuasion" does not at first succeed - give up. The
>>>>>>>>>>>public clearly aren't interested and protestors on a mission have
>>>>>>>>>>>no right to force their views to be listened to.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Argue from principle, not from expediency. If the BNP were doing
>>>>>>>>>>>something similar, would you support their "right" to commit
>>>>>>>>>>>unlawful violent acts in order to force others to listen?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We don't need to speculate on what activities a legal political
>>>>>>>>>>party may do, but probably wouldn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Do you support the actions taken by the Suffragettes?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which bit of "Argue from principle, not from expediency" is too
>>>>>>>>>difficult for you to understand?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don't support criminal acts by X unless you would support them from
>>>>>>>>>Y.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So you don't support the notion of women having the vote. Fair
>>>>>>>>enough, you only had to say so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What I don't support the notion of is violent attacks on people or
>>>>>>>property.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you don't support acting outside the law then you don't support the
>>>>>>actions that the Suffragettes engaged in and thus don't support votes 
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>women.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's sheer nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are lots of things I would rather see government doing (or, as
>>>>>the case may be, not doing), but I do not advocate violence in order
>>>>>to achieve desirable changes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>To be fair direct action doesn't have to equal violent action.
>>>
>>>I count illegal occupation of land or buildings - or damage done to 
>>>them - as violence.
>
>> And if such use results in the land being in a better or the same 
>> condition as before the use?
>
> Is that a question?

Yes.

> If so, what were you trying to ask?

What if such use results in the land being in a better or the same condition 
as before the use?
date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:43:22 +0100   author:   Brimstone

Re: Inside Heathrow's protest camp: A battle to save the world   
Brimstone wrote:

> "JNugent"  wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[ ... ]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>They're already doing "non-violent".

>>>>>>>>>>>>How can they be, when they're plainly resorting to violent
>>>>>>>>>>>>confrontation and illegal occupation of and damage to property?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lawful doesn't work, if you had any understanding of history
>>>>>>>>>>>>>you'd know that, wouldn't you?

>>>>>>>>>>>>If "lawful persuasion" does not at first succeed - give up. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>public clearly aren't interested and protestors on a mission have
>>>>>>>>>>>>no right to force their views to be listened to.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Argue from principle, not from expediency. If the BNP were doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>something similar, would you support their "right" to commit
>>>>>>>>>>>>unlawful violent acts in order to force others to listen?

>>>>>>>>>>>We don't need to speculate on what activities a legal political
>>>>>>>>>>>party may do, but probably wouldn't.

>>>>>>>>>>>Do you support the actions taken by the Suffragettes?

>>>>>>>>>>Which bit of "Argue from principle, not from expediency" is too
>>>>>>>>>>difficult for you to understand?

>>>>>>>>>>Don't support criminal acts by X unless you would support them from
>>>>>>>>>>Y.

>>>>>>>>>So you don't support the notion of women having the vote. Fair
>>>>>>>>>enough, you only had to say so.

>>>>>>>>What I don't support the notion of is violent attacks on people or
>>>>>>>>property.

>>>>>>>If you don't support acting outside the law then you don't support the
>>>>>>>actions that the Suffragettes engaged in and thus don't support votes 
>>>>>>>for women.

>>>>>>That's sheer nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself.
>>>>>>There are lots of things I would rather see government doing (or, as
>>>>>>the case may be, not doing), but I do not advocate violence in order
>>>>>>to achieve desirable changes.

>>>>>To be fair direct action doesn't have to equal violent action.

>>>>I count illegal occupation of land or buildings - or damage done to 
>>>>them - as violence.

>>>And if such use results in the land being in a better or the same 
>>>condition as before the use?

>>Is that a question?

> Yes.

>>If so, what were you trying to ask?

> What if such use results in the land being in a better or the same condition 
> as before the use? 

Do you not understand what illegal occupation and/or trespass is?
date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:48:15 +0100   author:   JNugent

Re: Inside Heathrow's protest camp: A battle to save the world   
Brimstone wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
> 
>>Brimstone wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"JNugent"  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[ ... ]
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They're already doing "non-violent".
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How can they be, when they're plainly resorting to violent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>confrontation and illegal occupation of and damage to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>property?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lawful doesn't work, if you had any understanding of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>history you'd know that, wouldn't you?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If "lawful persuasion" does not at first succeed - give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up. The public clearly aren't interested and protestors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on a mission have no right to force their views to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>listened to.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Argue from principle, not from expediency. If the BNP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>were doing something similar, would you support their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"right" to commit unlawful violent acts in order to force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>others to listen?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>We don't need to speculate on what activities a legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>political party may do, but probably wouldn't.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you support the actions taken by the Suffragettes?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Which bit of "Argue from principle, not from expediency" is
>>>>>>>>>>>>too difficult for you to understand?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't support criminal acts by X unless you would support
>>>>>>>>>>>>them from Y.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So you don't support the notion of women having the vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>Fair enough, you only had to say so.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>What I don't support the notion of is violent attacks on
>>>>>>>>>>people or property.
>>
>>>>>>>>>If you don't support acting outside the law then you don't
>>>>>>>>>support the actions that the Suffragettes engaged in and thus
>>>>>>>>>don't support votes for women.
>>
>>>>>>>>That's sheer nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself.
>>>>>>>>There are lots of things I would rather see government doing
>>>>>>>>(or, as the case may be, not doing), but I do not advocate
>>>>>>>>violence in order to achieve desirable changes.

>>>>>>>To be fair direct action doesn't have to equal violent action.

>>>>>>I count illegal occupation of land or buildings - or damage done
>>>>>>to them - as violence.

>>>>>And if such use results in the land being in a better or the same
>>>>>condition as before the use?

>>>>Is that a question?

>>>Yes.

>>>>If so, what were you trying to ask?

>>>What if such use results in the land being in a better or the same
>>>condition as before the use?

>>Do you not understand what illegal occupation and/or trespass is?

> So that's a "I hadn't thought of that" is it? 

It most certainly isn't.

If someone occupied my house (or even just the garden), I would be 
only marginally interested in the state in which they intended to 
leave it. My first concern would be getting them removed.

Unlawfully occupying land necessarily implies the denial of the rights 
of the owner or lawful occupant to exclusive use of it. They are being 
pushed aside.

As an aside, the "law" on trespass has long been in a real mess, 
especially when it comes to squatting. Squatting - or any form of 
unauthorised occupation - should simply be a seriously-regarded 
offence, with that offence compounded if the illegal occupant fails to 
vacate the premises immediately on the request of the lawful owner or 
occupier, or on the request of a police officer who has no positive 
reason to suppose that the owner has authorised the squatting. That 
bit would be necessary in order to cover illegal occupation of the 
land of people not there to observe the trespass.
date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:53:14 +0100   author:   JNugent

Re: Inside Heathrow's protest camp: A battle to save the world   
JNugent wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> JNugent wrote:
>>
>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "JNugent"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're already doing "non-violent".
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can they be, when they're plainly resorting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violent confrontation and illegal occupation of and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damage to property?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lawful doesn't work, if you had any understanding of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history you'd know that, wouldn't you?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "lawful persuasion" does not at first succeed - give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. The public clearly aren't interested and protestors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a mission have no right to force their views to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listened to.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Argue from principle, not from expediency. If the BNP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were doing something similar, would you support their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "right" to commit unlawful violent acts in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force others to listen?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't need to speculate on what activities a legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political party may do, but probably wouldn't.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you support the actions taken by the Suffragettes?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which bit of "Argue from principle, not from expediency"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is too difficult for you to understand?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't support criminal acts by X unless you would support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them from Y.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't support the notion of women having the vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough, you only had to say so.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What I don't support the notion of is violent attacks on
>>>>>>>>>>> people or property.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't support acting outside the law then you don't
>>>>>>>>>> support the actions that the Suffragettes engaged in and thus
>>>>>>>>>> don't support votes for women.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's sheer nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself.
>>>>>>>>> There are lots of things I would rather see government doing
>>>>>>>>> (or, as the case may be, not doing), but I do not advocate
>>>>>>>>> violence in order to achieve desirable changes.
>
>>>>>>>> To be fair direct action doesn't have to equal violent action.
>
>>>>>>> I count illegal occupation of land or buildings - or damage done
>>>>>>> to them - as violence.
>
>>>>>> And if such use results in the land being in a better or the same
>>>>>> condition as before the use?
>
>>>>> Is that a question?
>
>>>> Yes.
>
>>>>> If so, what were you trying to ask?
>
>>>> What if such use results in the land being in a better or the same
>>>> condition as before the use?
>
>>> Do you not understand what illegal occupation and/or trespass is?
>
>> So that's a "I hadn't thought of that" is it?
>
> It most certainly isn't.

The strength of you protest suggests otherwise.

> If someone occupied my house (or even just the garden), I would be
> only marginally interested in the state in which they intended to
> leave it. My first concern would be getting them removed.

But we're not talking about someone's garden, we're talking about a plot of 
land that is not being used for any discernable activity and the fact that 
the owners didn't aske the Climate Chnage protestors to leave indicates that 
they were at worst indifferent and at best were happy for them to be there. 
What give you the right to say the protestors should be pushed off when the 
property owner isn't bothered?
date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:07:19 +0100   author:   Brimstone

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