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date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:21:24 -0700,
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"Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
By Jonathon Carr-Brown
The Sunday Times
13th October 2002
PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
The terminals would be in addition to the planned terminal 5, which
was given the go-ahead last year after a four-year planning inquiry.
Local residents accuse the transport department of trying to conceal
plans for the new building work. The plans do not appear on the
government website or in public consultation documents outlining
proposals to build a new runway at the airport, released in July.
The new documents - buried in an obscure appendix of a separate report
- show plans are advanced to create two more terminals, including one
for transit passengers.
Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
misled about the scale of the plans.
Paul de Zylva, aviation spokesman for Friends of the Earth, said:
"This is not a proper consultation. People could be forgiven for
thinking the government was trying to pull the wool over their eyes."
Heathrow campaigners became suspicious two weeks ago when Mike
Hodgkinson, the chief executive of BAA, which runs Britain's main
airports, told residents' meetings that "additional facilities" would
be needed if a third runway was built.
The campaigners say that, when pressed, Hodgkinson said a sixth
terminal would be required and referred to the government's
consultation process. Despite searches, the only reference found in
the main transport department consultation document was a paragraph
talking about extra terminal capacity being provided by
"reconfiguring" terminals 1, 2 and 3 and space to the south of the
airport.
Further investigations led to the discovery of maps and diagrams
produced by Halcrow, the government's consultants. These show that a
new runway would lead to the £1.6billion redevelopment of terminals 1,
2 and 3, the doubling in size of terminal 4 to create a new terminal,
and the building of another new one for transit passengers. The
estimated cost would be £550m.
"This has massive implications for hundreds of homeowners sandwiched
between the proposed new runway and the old one," said John Stewart of
the Heathrow Association for the Control of Aircraft Noise. "Any
properties not knocked down will be blighted for ever."
A BAA spokesman said: "If a third runway was built it would require
additional facilities." Asked whether that meant a sixth terminal, he
said: "That question is part of our considerations but we have never
used the term 'sixth terminal'."
The transport department said: "If Heathrow is given permission to
build a new runway it will be up to them to come up with detailed
plans." The need for new terminal facilities will be acute if a new
runway is built. It could lead to an increase of almost 50% in flight
numbers, from 461,000 to 688,000 a year by 2030. Passenger numbers
would rise from 64m to 130m.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:21:24 -0700
author: CJB
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
<report snipped>
Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:30:23 +0100
author: Brimstone
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>"CJB" wrote in message
> >news:1187173284.080578.3380@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
>By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
>The Sunday Times
>
>13th October 2002
>
>PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
>that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
>of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
>misled about the scale of the plans.
I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:21 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
<report snipped>
Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:30:23 +0100
author: Brimstone
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>"CJB" wrote in message
> >news:1187173284.080578.3380@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
>By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
>The Sunday Times
>
>13th October 2002
>
>PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
>that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
>of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
>misled about the scale of the plans.
I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:21 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
<snip>
You are Doug AICMFP
--
Abo
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:17:09 +0100
author: Abo ks
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
Or come up with a viable alternative.
ICBA anymore.
--
Dog Poop
Stand by me,
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:30:22 GMT
author: Dogpoop
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In article , CJB
says...
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
A 5 year old news report. Hardly credible.
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:26:24 +0100
author: Conor
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Dogpoop" wrote in message
news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> CJB wrote:
>> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>>
>> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>>
>> The Sunday Times
>>
>> 13th October 2002
>>
>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>
> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>
> Or come up with a viable alternative.
Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.
I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.
We (in the UK) have to bite the bullet on this sometime
otherwise this tinkering with LHR is going to go on forever.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:27:42 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message , tim.....
writes
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>closing LHR completely.
>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>of them.
Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
--
Steve Walker
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:05:47 +0100
author: Steve Walker
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news:B2iQKxF7B0wGFwAu@otolith.demon.co.uk...
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>>closing LHR completely.
>
>>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>>of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor for
> whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is such a
> pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went where I
> want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again. Especially
> Gatwick <shudder>.
Like I said, there's going to be some losers here.
But IMHO something radical has to be done, and developing
LHR is not it.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:11:53 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> CJB wrote:
>>
>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>
>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
Hey! Why Stansted? Why not Luton - much better placed for the transport
links. Run a rail spur Stevenage - Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got
the WCML, MML and ECML all linked in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes
back to life, there's an easy link to the GWML too.
> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
tom
--
If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:14:32 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> CJB wrote:
>>>
>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>
> Hey! Why Stansted?
Because Stansted is the one with the least people under
the potential flight path(s)
> Why not Luton
Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
>- much better placed for the transport links. Run a rail spur Stevenage -
>Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got the WCML, MML and ECML all linked
>in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes back to life, there's an easy link
>to the GWML too.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
>
> How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
> then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
Yep, I agree, but paradoxically this is an even harder sell
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:59:48 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
> "Tom Anderson" wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>>
>>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>>> CJB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being
>>>>> considered as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity,
>>>>> government documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>>
>>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>>
>>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>>
>> Hey! Why Stansted?
>
> Because Stansted is the one with the least people under the potential
> flight path(s)
>
>> Why not Luton
>
> Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
Have you ever heard of a place called Bishop's Stortford?
tom
--
They didn't have any answers - they just wanted weed and entitlement.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:36 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
<report snipped>
Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:30:23 +0100
author: Brimstone
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>"CJB" wrote in message
> >news:1187173284.080578.3380@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
>By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
>The Sunday Times
>
>13th October 2002
>
>PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
>that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
>of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
>misled about the scale of the plans.
I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:21 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
<snip>
You are Doug AICMFP
--
Abo
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:17:09 +0100
author: Abo ks
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
Or come up with a viable alternative.
ICBA anymore.
--
Dog Poop
Stand by me,
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:30:22 GMT
author: Dogpoop
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In article , CJB
says...
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
A 5 year old news report. Hardly credible.
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:26:24 +0100
author: Conor
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Dogpoop" wrote in message
news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> CJB wrote:
>> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>>
>> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>>
>> The Sunday Times
>>
>> 13th October 2002
>>
>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>
> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>
> Or come up with a viable alternative.
Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.
I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.
We (in the UK) have to bite the bullet on this sometime
otherwise this tinkering with LHR is going to go on forever.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:27:42 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message , tim.....
writes
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>closing LHR completely.
>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>of them.
Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
--
Steve Walker
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:05:47 +0100
author: Steve Walker
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news:B2iQKxF7B0wGFwAu@otolith.demon.co.uk...
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>>closing LHR completely.
>
>>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>>of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor for
> whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is such a
> pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went where I
> want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again. Especially
> Gatwick <shudder>.
Like I said, there's going to be some losers here.
But IMHO something radical has to be done, and developing
LHR is not it.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:11:53 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> CJB wrote:
>>
>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>
>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
Hey! Why Stansted? Why not Luton - much better placed for the transport
links. Run a rail spur Stevenage - Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got
the WCML, MML and ECML all linked in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes
back to life, there's an easy link to the GWML too.
> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
tom
--
If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:14:32 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> CJB wrote:
>>>
>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>
> Hey! Why Stansted?
Because Stansted is the one with the least people under
the potential flight path(s)
> Why not Luton
Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
>- much better placed for the transport links. Run a rail spur Stevenage -
>Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got the WCML, MML and ECML all linked
>in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes back to life, there's an easy link
>to the GWML too.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
>
> How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
> then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
Yep, I agree, but paradoxically this is an even harder sell
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:59:48 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
> "Tom Anderson" wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>>
>>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>>> CJB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being
>>>>> considered as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity,
>>>>> government documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>>
>>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>>
>>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>>
>> Hey! Why Stansted?
>
> Because Stansted is the one with the least people under the potential
> flight path(s)
>
>> Why not Luton
>
> Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
Have you ever heard of a place called Bishop's Stortford?
tom
--
They didn't have any answers - they just wanted weed and entitlement.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:36 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
<report snipped>
Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:30:23 +0100
author: Brimstone
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>"CJB" wrote in message
> >news:1187173284.080578.3380@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
>By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
>The Sunday Times
>
>13th October 2002
>
>PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
>that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
>of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
>misled about the scale of the plans.
I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:21 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
<snip>
You are Doug AICMFP
--
Abo
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:17:09 +0100
author: Abo ks
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
Or come up with a viable alternative.
ICBA anymore.
--
Dog Poop
Stand by me,
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:30:22 GMT
author: Dogpoop
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In article , CJB
says...
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
A 5 year old news report. Hardly credible.
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:26:24 +0100
author: Conor
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Dogpoop" wrote in message
news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> CJB wrote:
>> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>>
>> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>>
>> The Sunday Times
>>
>> 13th October 2002
>>
>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>
> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>
> Or come up with a viable alternative.
Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.
I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.
We (in the UK) have to bite the bullet on this sometime
otherwise this tinkering with LHR is going to go on forever.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:27:42 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message , tim.....
writes
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>closing LHR completely.
>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>of them.
Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
--
Steve Walker
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:05:47 +0100
author: Steve Walker
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news:B2iQKxF7B0wGFwAu@otolith.demon.co.uk...
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>>closing LHR completely.
>
>>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>>of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor for
> whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is such a
> pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went where I
> want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again. Especially
> Gatwick <shudder>.
Like I said, there's going to be some losers here.
But IMHO something radical has to be done, and developing
LHR is not it.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:11:53 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> CJB wrote:
>>
>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>
>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
Hey! Why Stansted? Why not Luton - much better placed for the transport
links. Run a rail spur Stevenage - Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got
the WCML, MML and ECML all linked in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes
back to life, there's an easy link to the GWML too.
> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
tom
--
If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:14:32 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> CJB wrote:
>>>
>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>
> Hey! Why Stansted?
Because Stansted is the one with the least people under
the potential flight path(s)
> Why not Luton
Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
>- much better placed for the transport links. Run a rail spur Stevenage -
>Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got the WCML, MML and ECML all linked
>in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes back to life, there's an easy link
>to the GWML too.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
>
> How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
> then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
Yep, I agree, but paradoxically this is an even harder sell
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:59:48 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
> "Tom Anderson" wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>>
>>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>>> CJB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being
>>>>> considered as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity,
>>>>> government documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>>
>>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>>
>>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>>
>> Hey! Why Stansted?
>
> Because Stansted is the one with the least people under the potential
> flight path(s)
>
>> Why not Luton
>
> Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
Have you ever heard of a place called Bishop's Stortford?
tom
--
They didn't have any answers - they just wanted weed and entitlement.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:36 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
<report snipped>
Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:30:23 +0100
author: Brimstone
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>"CJB" wrote in message
> >news:1187173284.080578.3380@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
>By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
>The Sunday Times
>
>13th October 2002
>
>PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
>that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
>of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
>misled about the scale of the plans.
I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:21 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
<snip>
You are Doug AICMFP
--
Abo
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:17:09 +0100
author: Abo ks
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
Or come up with a viable alternative.
ICBA anymore.
--
Dog Poop
Stand by me,
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:30:22 GMT
author: Dogpoop
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In article , CJB
says...
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
A 5 year old news report. Hardly credible.
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:26:24 +0100
author: Conor
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Dogpoop" wrote in message
news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> CJB wrote:
>> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>>
>> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>>
>> The Sunday Times
>>
>> 13th October 2002
>>
>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>
> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>
> Or come up with a viable alternative.
Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.
I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.
We (in the UK) have to bite the bullet on this sometime
otherwise this tinkering with LHR is going to go on forever.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:27:42 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message , tim.....
writes
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>closing LHR completely.
>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>of them.
Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
--
Steve Walker
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:05:47 +0100
author: Steve Walker
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news:B2iQKxF7B0wGFwAu@otolith.demon.co.uk...
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>>closing LHR completely.
>
>>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>>of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor for
> whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is such a
> pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went where I
> want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again. Especially
> Gatwick <shudder>.
Like I said, there's going to be some losers here.
But IMHO something radical has to be done, and developing
LHR is not it.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:11:53 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> CJB wrote:
>>
>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>
>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
Hey! Why Stansted? Why not Luton - much better placed for the transport
links. Run a rail spur Stevenage - Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got
the WCML, MML and ECML all linked in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes
back to life, there's an easy link to the GWML too.
> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
tom
--
If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:14:32 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> CJB wrote:
>>>
>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>
> Hey! Why Stansted?
Because Stansted is the one with the least people under
the potential flight path(s)
> Why not Luton
Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
>- much better placed for the transport links. Run a rail spur Stevenage -
>Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got the WCML, MML and ECML all linked
>in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes back to life, there's an easy link
>to the GWML too.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
>
> How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
> then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
Yep, I agree, but paradoxically this is an even harder sell
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:59:48 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
> "Tom Anderson" wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>>
>>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>>> CJB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being
>>>>> considered as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity,
>>>>> government documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>>
>>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>>
>>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>>
>> Hey! Why Stansted?
>
> Because Stansted is the one with the least people under the potential
> flight path(s)
>
>> Why not Luton
>
> Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
Have you ever heard of a place called Bishop's Stortford?
tom
--
They didn't have any answers - they just wanted weed and entitlement.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:36 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
<report snipped>
Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:30:23 +0100
author: Brimstone
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>"CJB" wrote in message
> >news:1187173284.080578.3380@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
>By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
>The Sunday Times
>
>13th October 2002
>
>PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
>that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
>of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
>misled about the scale of the plans.
I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:21 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
<snip>
You are Doug AICMFP
--
Abo
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:17:09 +0100
author: Abo ks
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
Or come up with a viable alternative.
ICBA anymore.
--
Dog Poop
Stand by me,
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:30:22 GMT
author: Dogpoop
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In article , CJB
says...
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
A 5 year old news report. Hardly credible.
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:26:24 +0100
author: Conor
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Dogpoop" wrote in message
news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> CJB wrote:
>> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>>
>> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>>
>> The Sunday Times
>>
>> 13th October 2002
>>
>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>
> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>
> Or come up with a viable alternative.
Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.
I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.
We (in the UK) have to bite the bullet on this sometime
otherwise this tinkering with LHR is going to go on forever.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:27:42 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message , tim.....
writes
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>closing LHR completely.
>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>of them.
Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
--
Steve Walker
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:05:47 +0100
author: Steve Walker
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news:B2iQKxF7B0wGFwAu@otolith.demon.co.uk...
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>>closing LHR completely.
>
>>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>>of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor for
> whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is such a
> pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went where I
> want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again. Especially
> Gatwick <shudder>.
Like I said, there's going to be some losers here.
But IMHO something radical has to be done, and developing
LHR is not it.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:11:53 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> CJB wrote:
>>
>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>
>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
Hey! Why Stansted? Why not Luton - much better placed for the transport
links. Run a rail spur Stevenage - Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got
the WCML, MML and ECML all linked in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes
back to life, there's an easy link to the GWML too.
> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
tom
--
If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:14:32 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> CJB wrote:
>>>
>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>
> Hey! Why Stansted?
Because Stansted is the one with the least people under
the potential flight path(s)
> Why not Luton
Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
>- much better placed for the transport links. Run a rail spur Stevenage -
>Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got the WCML, MML and ECML all linked
>in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes back to life, there's an easy link
>to the GWML too.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
>
> How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
> then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
Yep, I agree, but paradoxically this is an even harder sell
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:59:48 +0100
author: tim.....
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
> "Tom Anderson" wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>>
>>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>>> CJB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being
>>>>> considered as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity,
>>>>> government documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>>
>>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>>
>>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>>
>> Hey! Why Stansted?
>
> Because Stansted is the one with the least people under the potential
> flight path(s)
>
>> Why not Luton
>
> Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
Have you ever heard of a place called Bishop's Stortford?
tom
--
They didn't have any answers - they just wanted weed and entitlement.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:36 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
Steve Walker farted out
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>> speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>> closing LHR completely.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>> of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
> such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
> where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
> Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
Maybe there's a case for expanding all/many/some regional airports, like
Bristol, but as part of that expansion also increase/improve the local
infrastructure to support them properly. Better
road/rail/bus/cycle/pedestrian links, with a lot more scope for additional,
indirect to the airport, investment, say industrial estates etc that might
be better being some way away from habitation.
--
Dog Poop
Away from home.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:10:50 GMT
author: DogPoop \(away\)
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.
>
Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4 corridor and
its passengers that live there.
Half the passengers using Heathrow are transit passengers anyway and
they can transit anywhere.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:52:30 -0700
author: allan tracy
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
Why on Earth do the environmental lobby keep targeting aviation.
At least aviation is public transport, which is more than can be said
for cars.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:54:50 -0700
author: allan tracy
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"allan tracy" wrote in message
news:1187283150.196573.195250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >
>> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
>> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.
>>
>
> Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4 corridor and
> its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?
tim
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:59:23 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message ,
allan tracy writes
>>
>> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
>> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.
>>
>
>Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4 corridor and
>its passengers that live there.
Don't really see the relevance. Simple question of where people live and
how easy it is to get to an airport. Heathrow currently serves those
people. Closing it and expanding Stansted would not. Which came first
seems completely irrelevant to how current transport requirements are
best met.
--
Steve Walker
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:20:11 +0100
author: Steve Walker
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
tim..... wrote:
> "allan tracy" wrote in message
> news:1187283150.196573.195250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
>>> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.
>>>
>> Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4 corridor and
>> its passengers that live there.
>
> Hum, when was the mainline railway built?
>
Relevence?
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:57:49 GMT
author: NM
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message <26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>, Dogpoop wrote:
> CJB wrote:
>> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>>
>> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>>
>> The Sunday Times
>>
>> 13th October 2002
>>
>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>
> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>
> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
> ICBA anymore.
>
I thought the outline plan was to demolish T2 (oldest terminal at Heathrow,
I think) and rebuild it. Perhaps T1 was also included in the general
rebuilding plan. After all, BAA have to have somewhere to put their new
shopping malls.
--
Dave
mail da ve@llondel.org (without the space)
http://www.llondel.org
So many gadgets, so little time
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:11:18 +0100
author: Dave {Reply Address in.Sig} noone$$@llondel.org
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"NM" wrote in message
news:N61xi.9938$mZ5.1373@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> tim..... wrote:
>> "allan tracy" wrote in message
>> news:1187283150.196573.195250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
>>>> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.
>>>>
>>> Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4 corridor and
>>> its passengers that live there.
>>
>> Hum, when was the mainline railway built?
>>
>
> Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.
tim
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:32:39 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
tim..... wrote:
> "NM" wrote in message
> news:N61xi.9938$mZ5.1373@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> tim..... wrote:
>>> "allan tracy" wrote in message
>>> news:1187283150.196573.195250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4
>>>>> corridor for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.
>>>>>
>>>> Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4 corridor
>>>> and its passengers that live there.
>>>
>>> Hum, when was the mainline railway built?
>>>
>>
>> Relevence?
>
> Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
> no people in it.
"They" didn't. The railway was built to move goods from the port of Bristol
to London.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:54:21 +0100
author: Brimstone
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
<report snipped>
Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:30:23 +0100
author: Brimstone
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>"CJB" wrote in message
> >news:1187173284.080578.3380@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
>By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
>The Sunday Times
>
>13th October 2002
>
>PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
>that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
>of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
>misled about the scale of the plans.
I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:21 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
<snip>
You are Doug AICMFP
--
Abo
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:17:09 +0100
author: Abo ks
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
CJB wrote:
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
Or come up with a viable alternative.
ICBA anymore.
--
Dog Poop
Stand by me,
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:30:22 GMT
author: Dogpoop
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In article , CJB
says...
> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>
> The Sunday Times
>
> 13th October 2002
>
A 5 year old news report. Hardly credible.
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:26:24 +0100
author: Conor
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Dogpoop" wrote in message
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> CJB wrote:
>> "Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.
>>
>> By Jonathon Carr-Brown
>>
>> The Sunday Times
>>
>> 13th October 2002
>>
>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>
> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>
> Or come up with a viable alternative.
Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.
I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.
We (in the UK) have to bite the bullet on this sometime
otherwise this tinkering with LHR is going to go on forever.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:27:42 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
In message , tim.....
writes
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>closing LHR completely.
>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>of them.
Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
--
Steve Walker
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:05:47 +0100
author: Steve Walker
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news:B2iQKxF7B0wGFwAu@otolith.demon.co.uk...
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>>Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>>speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>>closing LHR completely.
>
>>I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>>of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor for
> whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is such a
> pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went where I
> want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again. Especially
> Gatwick <shudder>.
Like I said, there's going to be some losers here.
But IMHO something radical has to be done, and developing
LHR is not it.
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:11:53 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> CJB wrote:
>>
>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>
>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>
>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
Hey! Why Stansted? Why not Luton - much better placed for the transport
links. Run a rail spur Stevenage - Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got
the WCML, MML and ECML all linked in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes
back to life, there's an easy link to the GWML too.
> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
tom
--
If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:14:32 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> CJB wrote:
>>>
>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
>>>> as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
>>>> documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>
> Hey! Why Stansted?
Because Stansted is the one with the least people under
the potential flight path(s)
> Why not Luton
Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
>- much better placed for the transport links. Run a rail spur Stevenage -
>Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got the WCML, MML and ECML all linked
>in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes back to life, there's an easy link
>to the GWML too.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.
>
> How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
> then? Even fewer NIMBYs!
Yep, I agree, but paradoxically this is an even harder sell
tim
date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:59:48 +0100
author: tim.....
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
> "Tom Anderson" wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151904290.8236@urchin.earth.li...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:
>>
>>> "Dogpoop" wrote in message
>>> news:26Ewi.30845$1G1.18799@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>>> CJB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being
>>>>> considered as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity,
>>>>> government documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.
>>>>
>>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>>>
>>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
>>> connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.
>>
>> Hey! Why Stansted?
>
> Because Stansted is the one with the least people under the potential
> flight path(s)
>
>> Why not Luton
>
> Because, like LHR, it's surrounded by a town
Have you ever heard of a place called Bishop's Stortford?
tom
--
They didn't have any answers - they just wanted weed and entitlement.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:36 +0100
author: Tom Anderson
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
Steve Walker farted out
> In message , tim.....
> writes
>
>>> Or come up with a viable alternative.
>
>> Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
>> speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
>> closing LHR completely.
>
>> I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
>> of them.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
> such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
> where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
> Especially Gatwick <shudder>.
Maybe there's a case for expanding all/many/some regional airports, like
Bristol, but as part of that expansion also increase/improve the local
infrastructure to support them properly. Better
road/rail/bus/cycle/pedestrian links, with a lot more scope for additional,
indirect to the airport, investment, say industrial estates etc that might
be better being some way away from habitation.
--
Dog Poop
Away from home.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:10:50 GMT
author: DogPoop \(away\)
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
>
> Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
> for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.
>
Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4 corridor and
its passengers that live there.
Half the passengers using Heathrow are transit passengers anyway and
they can transit anywhere.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:52:30 -0700
author: allan tracy
|
Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
Why on Earth do the environmental lobby keep targeting aviation.
At least aviation is public transport, which is more than can be said
for cars.
date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:54:50 -0700
author: allan tracy
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Re: "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.
"allan tracy" wrote in message
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