It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.

"When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.

In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
driving.

An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."

More:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull-pub-sign--encourages-drink-driving.html

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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug wrote:
> It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
> and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
> overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
> 
> "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
> Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
> 
> In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
> have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
> driving.
> 
> An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
> board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
> Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
> 
> More:
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull-pub-sign--encourages-drink-driving.html
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

A few observations.
Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used instead.
You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how 
many pubs serve coffee.
Lets get rid of all distracting road signs e.g. "Ripon 3 miles", "Tesco, 
open 07:00 to 22:00", "Hospital A & E", "Catford Station"

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
> > and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
> > overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>
> > "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
> > Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>
> > In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
> > have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
> > driving.
>
> > An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
> > board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
> > Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>
> > More:
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>
> > --
> > World Carfree Network
> >http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> A few observations.
> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used instead.
> You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
> many pubs serve coffee.

Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.

> Lets get rid of all distracting road signs e.g. "Ripon 3 miles", "Tesco,
> open 07:00 to 22:00", "Hospital A & E", "Catford Station"

On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
> > and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
> > overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>
> > "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
> > Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>
> > In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
> > have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
> > driving.
>
> > An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
> > board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
> > Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>
> > More:
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>
> > --
> > World Carfree Network
> >http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> A few observations.
> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>
Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.
>
> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used instead.
>
All pub car parks should be closed down and road parking not allowed.
Pubs should be returned to local use where customers are within
walking distance or can get there by PT. This will help to keep killer
motorists to a minimum.
>
> You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
> many pubs serve coffee.
>
The ready presence of alcohol is too much of a temptation for many
drivers.
>
> Lets get rid of all distracting road signs e.g. "Ripon 3 miles", "Tesco,
> open 07:00 to 22:00", "Hospital A & E", "Catford Station"
>
Yes, commercial advertising graffiti should be discouraged and road
signs placed where they do not distract too much, preferably
overhanging the road within forward vision instead of cluttering
pavements.

--
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www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's regime.

On 19 Sep, 08:17, NotMe  wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug wrote:
> > > It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
> > > and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
> > > overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>
> > > "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
> > > Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>
> > > In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
> > > have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
> > > driving.
>
> > > An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
> > > board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
> > > Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>
> > > More:
>
> > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>
> > > --
> > > World Carfree Network
> > >http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> > > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> > A few observations.
> > Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
> > Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used instead.
> > You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
> > many pubs serve coffee.
>
> Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
> into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
> Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
> concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.
>
No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter
much anyway. Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like
football and the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police
surveillance.

I have more than 300 links on my website. Do youseriously imagine they
ALL reflect my situation?

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug wrote:

> No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter
> much anyway. Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like
> football and the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police
> surveillance.
>
If you find conversations about cars boring why do you start so many here?

Doug wrote:

> All pub car parks should be closed down and road parking not allowed.
> Pubs should be returned to local use where customers are within
> walking distance or can get there by PT. This will help to keep killer
> motorists to a minimum.

What about in places where there is no pub and no public transport?

Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>> A few observations.
>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?

> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.

>> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used
>> instead.

> All pub car parks should be closed down and road parking not allowed.
> Pubs should be returned to local use where customers are within walking
> distance or can get there by PT. This will help to keep killer motorists
> to a minimum.

>> You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
>> many pubs serve coffee.

> The ready presence of alcohol is too much of a temptation for many
> drivers.

So why don't we address the root cause, and make it illegal to drive 
whilst under the affluence of incahol?

Oh, wait a minute... IT ALREADY IS.

Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>> Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
>> into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
>> Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
>> concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.

> No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter much
> anyway.

Do you think it's OK to cycle whilst pissed?

> Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like football and
> the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police surveillance.

I thought you loved conversations about cars and police surveillance. You 
start enough of 'em here.

> I have more than 300 links on my website. Do youseriously imagine they
> ALL reflect my situation?

Ah, it's back to being your website, is it? Not Mr Bollen's?

Doug wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
>>> and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
>>> overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>>> "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
>>> Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>>> In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
>>> have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
>>> driving.
>>> An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
>>> board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
>>> Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>>> More:
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>>> --
>>> World Carfree Network
>>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>> A few observations.
>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>>
> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.

Open your eyes, & just because a car is in a pub car park does not mean 
the driver is drinking.

>> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used instead.
>>
> All pub car parks should be closed down and road parking not allowed.
> Pubs should be returned to local use where customers are within
> walking distance or can get there by PT. This will help to keep killer
> motorists to a minimum.

I'll forget the all encompassing 'killer motorist' for the moment. I 
thought you were against street parking.
Where you & I live  there is no problem with PT late at night, in other 
areas there aint no PT at night.
>> You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
>> many pubs serve coffee.
>>
> The ready presence of alcohol is too much of a temptation for many
> drivers.

If so, they are just as likely to get pissed anywhere.

>> Lets get rid of all distracting road signs e.g. "Ripon 3 miles", "Tesco,
>> open 07:00 to 22:00", "Hospital A & E", "Catford Station"
>>
> Yes, commercial advertising graffiti should be discouraged and road
> signs placed where they do not distract too much, preferably
> overhanging the road within forward vision instead of cluttering
> pavements.

As a road sign only intrudes onto the pavement with its post, how are 
you going to hang these signs over the road?
> 
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> www.zing.icom43.net
> One man's democracy is another man's regime.
> 


-- 
Tony the Dragon

Doug wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 08:17, NotMe  wrote:
>> On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
>>>> and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
>>>> overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>>>> "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
>>>> Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>>>> In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
>>>> have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
>>>> driving.
>>>> An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
>>>> board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
>>>> Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>>>> More:
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>>>> --
>>>> World Carfree Network
>>>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>>>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>>> A few observations.
>>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>>> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used instead.
>>> You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
>>> many pubs serve coffee.
>> Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
>> into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
>> Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
>> concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.
>>
> No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter
> much anyway. Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like
> football and the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police
> surveillance.
> 
> I have more than 300 links on my website. Do youseriously imagine they
> ALL reflect my situation?
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

You seem to know a lot about pub conversations for somebody who does not 
visit pubs.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

NotMe  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
> into a pub, but some people cannot help it

There's a sign above the bar in one of our local pubs - a regional CAMRA 
award winner, and national finalist, for "best pub" - saying they provide 
free soft drinks for anybody who's acting as "designated driver" for a 
group of three or more beer drinkers.

Adrian wrote:
> Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
> 
>>> Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
>>> into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
>>> Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
>>> concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.
> 
>> No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter much
>> anyway.
> 
> Do you think it's OK to cycle whilst pissed?
> 
>> Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like football and
>> the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police surveillance.
> 
> I thought you loved conversations about cars and police surveillance. You 
> start enough of 'em here.
> 
>> I have more than 300 links on my website. Do youseriously imagine they
>> ALL reflect my situation?
> 
> Ah, it's back to being your website, is it? Not Mr Bollen's?

Bugger I wanted to say that, oh I have!

-- 
Tony the Dragon

Tony Dragon  gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

>>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?

>> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.

> Open your eyes, & just because a car is in a pub car park does not mean
> the driver is drinking.

Even if it does, it doesn't mean the car's going to be driven by a 
drunken person - many pub car parks are still fairly full on a Saturday 
or Sunday morning, with cars which have been left there overnight. I'd 
have thought Duhg'd approve of that, since they're not "road garaged"...

> Where you & I live  there is no problem with PT late at night, in other 
> areas there aint no PT at night.

Or in the day, in many places...

But that - as we keep being reminded - is purely down to The Evil Car. 
Nothing to do with economic reality, oh, no.

In article ,
 Doug  writes:
> All pub car parks should be closed down and road parking not allowed.
> Pubs should be returned to local use where customers are within
> walking distance or can get there by PT. This will help to keep killer
> motorists to a minimum.

Shortly after which there wouldn't be any pubs left.

> Yes, commercial advertising graffiti should be discouraged and road
> signs placed where they do not distract too much, preferably
> overhanging the road within forward vision instead of cluttering
> pavements.

After all, we wouldn't want any road users actually seeing any road signs,
would we?
-- 
SAm.

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:1671c76b-275e-492c-b283-9690dbcec242@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>> > It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
>> > and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
>> > overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>>
>> > "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
>> > Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>>
>> > In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
>> > have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
>> > driving.
>>
>> > An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
>> > board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
>> > Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>>
>> > More:
>>
>> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>>
>> > --
>> > World Carfree Network
>> >http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>> > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>>
>> A few observations.
>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>>
> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.
>>
>> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used 
>> instead.
>>
> All pub car parks should be closed down and road parking not allowed.
> Pubs should be returned to local use where customers are within
> walking distance or can get there by PT. This will help to keep killer
> motorists to a minimum.

Doug and "the real world" never were good bed-fellows, were they?

On Sep 19, 7:23 am, Doug  wrote:
> It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
> and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
> overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>

still not able to go into a pub without having a drink eh?

Fod

On Sep 19, 8:29 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 08:17, NotMe  wrote:
>
> > On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>
> > > Doug wrote:
> > > > It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
> > > > and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
> > > > overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>
> > > > "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
> > > > Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>
> > > > In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
> > > > have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
> > > > driving.
>
> > > > An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
> > > > board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
> > > > Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>
> > > > More:
>
> > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>
> > > > --
> > > > World Carfree Network
> > > >http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> > > > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> > > A few observations.
> > > Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
> > > Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used instead.
> > > You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
> > > many pubs serve coffee.
>
> > Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
> > into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
> > Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
> > concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.
>
> No I am not an alcoholic

given last time we talked about the subject you didn't know what one
was I demand a second opinion.

> and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter
> much anyway.

Happy to cycle while drunk?  You really should be banned from that
bike.

>  Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like
> football and the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police
> surveillance.

Funny that 2 out of 3 of those subjects are the ones you start threads
on this group on...


Fod

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:99181915-169a-4b00-9425-94a339578e94@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
> and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
> overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.

You really are full of shit.
I go to the pub once or twice a week. I dont drink, I can't drink.
There are plenty of people who go to the pub who drink soft drinks, or have 
a nominated driver.

On 19 Sep, 08:59, Adrian  wrote:
> Tony Dragon  gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
> >>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
> >> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.
> > Open your eyes, & just because a car is in a pub car park does not mean
> > the driver is drinking.
>
> Even if it does, it doesn't mean the car's going to be driven by a
> drunken person - many pub car parks are still fairly full on a Saturday
> or Sunday morning, with cars which have been left there overnight. I'd
> have thought Duhg'd approve of that, since they're not "road garaged"...
>
But the strong  temptation to drink and drive is there. You can't tell
me that someone who reels out of the pub drunk is going think
carefully about leaving the car there and walking home instead.
>
> > Where you & I live  there is no problem with PT late at night, in other
> > areas there aint no PT at night.
>
> Or in the day, in many places...
>
> But that - as we keep being reminded - is purely down to The Evil Car.
> Nothing to do with economic reality, oh, no.
>
The Evil Car continues to be allowed to exist in massive quantities,
and their drivers are allowed to kill with relative impunity, because
of economics and short-sighted policies. If you engineer work/
lifestyles around cars they will be become indispensable and that was
the mistake made in the first place.

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

On 20 Sep, 07:59, Doug  wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 08:59, Adrian  wrote:> Tony Dragon  gurgled happily, sounding much
> > like they were saying:
>
> > >>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
> > >> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.
> > > Open your eyes, & just because a car is in a pub car park does not mean
> > > the driver is drinking.
>
> > Even if it does, it doesn't mean the car's going to be driven by a
> > drunken person - many pub car parks are still fairly full on a Saturday
> > or Sunday morning, with cars which have been left there overnight. I'd
> > have thought Duhg'd approve of that, since they're not "road garaged"..> But the strong �temptation to drink and drive is there. You can't tell
> me that someone who reels out of the pub drunk is going think
> carefully about leaving the car there and walking home instead.
>
> > > Where you & I live �there is no problem with PT late at night, in other
> > > areas there aint no PT at night.
>
> > Or in the day, in many places...
>
> > But that - as we keep being reminded - is purely down to The Evil Car.
> > Nothing to do with economic reality, oh, no.
>
> The Evil Car continues to be allowed to exist in massive quantities,
> and their drivers are allowed to kill with relative impunity,

Read that case yet Gollum, you clueless old cunt?

Doug wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 08:59, Adrian  wrote:
>> Tony Dragon  gurgled happily, sounding
>> much like they were saying:
>>
>>>>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>>>> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.
>>> Open your eyes, & just because a car is in a pub car park does not
>>> mean the driver is drinking.
>>
>> Even if it does, it doesn't mean the car's going to be driven by a
>> drunken person - many pub car parks are still fairly full on a
>> Saturday or Sunday morning, with cars which have been left there
>> overnight. I'd have thought Duhg'd approve of that, since they're
>> not "road garaged"...
>>
> But the strong  temptation to drink and drive is there. You can't tell
> me that someone who reels out of the pub drunk is going think
> carefully about leaving the car there and walking home instead.

Yes Doug, as suprising and incredible as it may be to you many people do 
just that. Oh, it may help you to know that only a very small minority of 
people "reel out of the pub drunk". The vast majority leave whilst still 
sober.

>>> Where you & I live there is no problem with PT late at night, in
>>> other areas there aint no PT at night.
>>
>> Or in the day, in many places...
>>
>> But that - as we keep being reminded - is purely down to The Evil
>> Car. Nothing to do with economic reality, oh, no.
>>
> The Evil Car continues to be allowed to exist in massive quantities,

Because of people from your generation.

> and their drivers are allowed to kill with relative impunity, because
> of economics and short-sighted policies.

Evidence?

> If you engineer work/
> lifestyles around cars they will be become indispensable and that was
> the mistake made in the first place.

That mistake was made by people of your generation Doug.

Tony Dragon wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> On 19 Sep, 08:17, NotMe  wrote:
>>> On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
>>>>> and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
>>>>> overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>>>>> "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
>>>>> Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>>>>> In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
>>>>> have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
>>>>> driving.
>>>>> An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
>>>>> board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
>>>>> Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>>>>> More:
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull... 
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> World Carfree Network
>>>>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>>>>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>>>> A few observations.
>>>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>>>> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used 
>>>> instead.
>>>> You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
>>>> many pubs serve coffee.
>>> Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
>>> into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
>>> Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
>>> concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.
>>>
>> No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter
>> much anyway. Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like
>> football and the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police
>> surveillance.
>>
>> I have more than 300 links on my website. Do youseriously imagine they
>> ALL reflect my situation?

> You seem to know a lot about pub conversations for somebody who does not 
> visit pubs.

I must go to the wrong pubs. All we ever get to talk about is the beer.


-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

On 20 Sep, 07:59, Doug  wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 08:59, Adrian  wrote:> Tony Dragon  gurgled happily, sounding much
> > like they were saying:
>
> > >>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
> > >> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.
> > > Open your eyes, & just because a car is in a pub car park does not mean
> > > the driver is drinking.
>
> > Even if it does, it doesn't mean the car's going to be driven by a
> > drunken person - many pub car parks are still fairly full on a Saturday
> > or Sunday morning, with cars which have been left there overnight. I'd
> > have thought Duhg'd approve of that, since they're not "road garaged"...
>
> But the strong  temptation to drink and drive is there. You can't tell
> me that someone who reels out of the pub drunk is going think
> carefully about leaving the car there and walking home instead.

We could tell any reasoned poster as its likely true most of the time.
However you are right, we can't tell you because you never listen to
anything anyone else says.  For once your completely correct though
its sadly due to your own deficiences.

> The Evil Car

is that the one from that Stephen King movie?  Are you starting to
confuse reality with what you watched last night on TV?

Fod

Fod wrote:
> On 20 Sep, 07:59, Doug  wrote:
>> On 19 Sep, 08:59, Adrian  wrote:> Tony Dragon  gurgled happily, sounding much
>>> like they were saying:
>>>>>> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>>>>> Most places on a Friday and Saturday evening.
>>>> Open your eyes, & just because a car is in a pub car park does not mean
>>>> the driver is drinking.
>>> Even if it does, it doesn't mean the car's going to be driven by a
>>> drunken person - many pub car parks are still fairly full on a Saturday
>>> or Sunday morning, with cars which have been left there overnight. I'd
>>> have thought Duhg'd approve of that, since they're not "road garaged"...
>> But the strong  temptation to drink and drive is there. You can't tell
>> me that someone who reels out of the pub drunk is going think
>> carefully about leaving the car there and walking home instead.
> 
> We could tell any reasoned poster as its likely true most of the time.
> However you are right, we can't tell you because you never listen to
> anything anyone else says.  For once your completely correct though
> its sadly due to your own deficiences.
> 
>> The Evil Car
> 
> is that the one from that Stephen King movie?  Are you starting to
> confuse reality with what you watched last night on TV?
> 
> Fod

Starting!

-- 
Tony the Dragon

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:a21fb1c9-c21f-4b1a-a047-e21bf21411e1@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 19 Sep, 08:17, NotMe  wrote:
>> On 19 Sep, 07:56, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Doug wrote:
>> > > It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
>> > > and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
>> > > overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>>
>> > > "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
>> > > Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>>
>> > > In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
>> > > have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
>> > > driving.
>>
>> > > An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
>> > > board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
>> > > Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>>
>> > > More:
>>
>> > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull...
>>
>> > > --
>> > > World Carfree Network
>> > >http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>> > > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>>
>> > A few observations.
>> > Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
>> > Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used 
>> > instead.
>> > You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how
>> > many pubs serve coffee.
>>
>> Most people (e.g. you and me) don't have to drink alcohol if they go
>> into a pub, but some people cannot help it, and I get the impression
>> Doug is one of those people, after all he does have links to Alcohol
>> concern, Alcoholics anonymous and CAMRA on his website.
>>
> No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter
> much anyway. Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like
> football and the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police
> surveillance.
>
  But you are happy to initiate boring posts... ;o(

"Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
news:3r-dnc7NpomA0E7VnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Doug wrote:
>> It is about time pubs were stopped from inciting motorists to drink
>> and drive, not than many motorists seem to need much inciting if
>> overflowing pub car parks are anything to go by.
>>
>> "When landlord Thomas Russell and his wife Tricia took over the Black
>> Dog pub, there were no signs of anything untoward.
>>
>> In fact, the only sign visible was a nearby road side one, which they
>> have now been asked to remove - because it could encourage drink
>> driving.
>>
>> An official for the Highways Agency told the new publicans that the
>> board, which shows an arrow beneath the words: 'The Black Dog,
>> Chilmark, Bar and Restaurant' was also distracting to motorists..."
>>
>> More:
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057633/Landlord-ordered-pull-pub-sign--encourages-drink-driving.html
>>
>> --
>> World Carfree Network
>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> A few observations.
> Where are these overflowing pub car parks?
> Should we shut all pub car parks thus making sure the road is used 
> instead.
> You do not have to drink alcohol if you go into a pub, just check how many 
> pubs serve coffee.
> Lets get rid of all distracting road signs e.g. "Ripon 3 miles", "Tesco, 
> open 07:00 to 22:00", "Hospital A & E", "Catford Station"
>
 Publican's mistake was in not paying £x  for an Official Brown Sign.

>"Doug"  wrote in message
>news:a21fb1c9-c21f-4b1a-a047-e21bf21411e1@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> No I am not an alcoholic and as I no longer drive it doesn't matter
>> much anyway. Fortunately I rarely frequent pubs as I don't like
>> football and the inevitable boring conversations about cars, or police
>> surveillance.

What a pity. You sound like the life and soul of the party, Doug, I'm 
sure many a struggling landlord would pay good money for you to help 
pack out their pub with your sparkling wit and repartee.

-- 
Ed Banger

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:36:30 +0100, Ed Banger  wrote:

>
>What a pity. You sound like the life and soul of the party, Doug, I'm 
>sure many a struggling landlord would pay good money for you to help 
>pack out their pub with your sparkling wit and repartee.

Yers, he should have been on "The Brains Trust".       ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brains_Trust

"The chairman was Donald McCullough. Other participants included: Noel
Annan, Alfred Ayer, Michael Ayrton, Isaiah Berlin, Collin Brooks,
Violet Bonham Carter, Kenneth Clark, Norman Fisher (as chairman),
Commander Rupert Gould, Will Hay, John Maud, Herbert Hart, Anna
Neagle, Sir Malcolm Sargent, Hannen Swaffer and Barbara Ward".

( And Duhg ).

Derek

Derek Geldard wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:36:30 +0100, Ed Banger  wrote:
>
>>
>> What a pity. You sound like the life and soul of the party, Doug, I'm
>> sure many a struggling landlord would pay good money for you to help
>> pack out their pub with your sparkling wit and repartee.
>
> Yers, he should have been on "The Brains Trust".       ;-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brains_Trust
>
> "The chairman was Donald McCullough. Other participants included: Noel
> Annan, Alfred Ayer, Michael Ayrton, Isaiah Berlin, Collin Brooks,
> Violet Bonham Carter, Kenneth Clark, Norman Fisher (as chairman),
> Commander Rupert Gould, Will Hay, John Maud, Herbert Hart, Anna
> Neagle, Sir Malcolm Sargent, Hannen Swaffer and Barbara Ward".
>
> ( And Duhg ).
>
(Who outshone them all with his innate command of all things animal, 
vegetable and mineral.)

Derek Geldard wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:36:30 +0100, Ed Banger  wrote:
> 
>> What a pity. You sound like the life and soul of the party, Doug, I'm 
>> sure many a struggling landlord would pay good money for you to help 
>> pack out their pub with your sparkling wit and repartee.
> 
> Yers, he should have been on "The Brains Trust".       ;-)
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brains_Trust
> 
> "The chairman was Donald McCullough. Other participants included: Noel
> Annan, Alfred Ayer, Michael Ayrton, Isaiah Berlin, Collin Brooks,
> Violet Bonham Carter, Kenneth Clark, Norman Fisher (as chairman),
> Commander Rupert Gould, Will Hay, John Maud, Herbert Hart, Anna
> Neagle, Sir Malcolm Sargent, Hannen Swaffer and Barbara Ward".
> 
> ( And Duhg ).
> 
> Derek

Was that the famous Will Hay?