"A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
the environmental impact of the automobile.

The address is www.CarEnvironment.net

It has a database which includes some of the basic numbers and facts
which people may require (This could be expanded if its helpful)."

"The automobile has not merely taken over the street, it has dissolved
the living tissue of the city.” James Marston Fitch, New York Times, 1
May 1960."

"“As danger increases, so the trap widens its jaws and more and more
non-car users get out of the way. With fewer pedestrians so there are
fewer accidents. Only the foolish or foolhardy would ignore the
risk ..”  Death on the Streets, Robert Davis (1)."

""I  remember years ago listening to the scientists [...] express
concern that some time towards the end of the 21st century we might
even face the possibility of losing the entire north polar ice cap. I
remember only three years ago when they revised their estimates to say
it could happen... by 2050. I remember at the beginning of this year
when I was shocked to hear them say it could happen in as little as 34
years and now, this week, they tell us it could completely disappear
in as little as five to seven years.”
Al Gore, addressing the Bali Climate Change Conference, Dec. 2007."

""“It needn’t be like this. All the congestion, the pollution, the
anger which suffuses London between the hours of eight and ten and
four and six is caused by just 14 per cent of commuters.” George
Monbiot, Evening Standard, 15th May 1996."

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"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
"A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
the environmental impact of the automobile.

The address is www.CarEnvironment.net

---

How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home 
page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and care. 
And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off 
topic.

On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
wrote:
> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> ---
>
> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and care.
> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> topic.

Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> wrote:
>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
>> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>
>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>
>> ---
>>
>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
>> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and 
>> care.
>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
>> topic.
>
> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?

Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the 
population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that, 
are we expected to take YOU seriously?

Why should I bother to read someone's web site when the authors haven't 
bothered putting the effort in when creating it?

On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
wrote:
> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> > wrote:
> >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> >> ---
>
> >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
> >> care.
> >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> >> topic.
>
> > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
> population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
> are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> Why should I bother to read someone's web site when the authors haven't
> bothered putting the effort in when creating it?
>
You wouldn't bother anyway because it puts you in a bad light. The
more objective on this newsgroup might find it of interest though,
particularly those very few long-suffering non-motorists who bother to
post here.

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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:6070d2ba-0dea-4f8d-b418-75b028f44b1e@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> wrote:
>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
>> >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>
>> >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>
>> >> ---
>>
>> >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the 
>> >> home
>> >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
>> >> care.
>> >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
>> >> topic.
>>
>> > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majority of the
>> population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like 
>> that,
>> are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>
> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.

Failed to answer point
>>
>> Why should I bother to read someone's web site when the authors haven't
>> bothered putting the effort in when creating it?
>>
> You wouldn't bother anyway because it puts you in a bad light. The
> more objective on this newsgroup might find it of interest though,
> particularly those very few long-suffering non-motorists who bother to
> post here.

Failed to answer point

Nothing new there, then.

Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.

Bwahahahahaahahahahahaa...

Roughly 3/4 of the adult population is "only a small majority, aka mob"

On 10 Sep, 06:48, Doug  wrote:
> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> the environmental impact of the automobile.

May I infer from your lack of response on the thread "The moment a
pensioner smashed his car through a supermarket" that you now admit
you were talking out of your anus on the subject of manslaughter,
Gollum?

On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> >news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> > > wrote:
> > >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> > >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> > >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> > >> ---
>
> > >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> > >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
> > >> care.
> > >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> > >> topic.
>
> > > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> > Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
> > population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
> > are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.

Another GollumLie.  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
large majority.

On 10 Sep, 07:45, Adrian  wrote:
> Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> > Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> Bwahahahahaahahahahahaa...
>
> Roughly 3/4 of the adult population is "only a small majority, aka mob"

Indeed.  Whereas Gollum and his mates digging up dead bodies and
firebombing nurseries are "a representative sample of the
population".  Or something.

In article <74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-
4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...

> ""?It needn?t be like this. All the congestion, the pollution, the
> anger which suffuses London between the hours of eight and ten and
> four and six is caused by just 14 per cent of commuters.? George
> Monbiot, Evening Standard, 15th May 1996."
> 
That's what you get when you cram 8 million people in a very small 
space resulting in the highest population density in the UK.

For much of the rest of the country, it doesn't exist.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

On Sep 10, 6:58 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> wrote:
>
> > "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> >news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> > the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> > The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> > ---
>
> > How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> > page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and care.
> > And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> > topic.
>
> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?

How about me, a pedestrian.  The above errors do not show the site in
question in a good light and make me wonder about how accurate the
rest of the content would be.

Fod

Doug  wrote:

> I  remember years ago listening to the scientists

Well there's a lie for a start.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1in1v3t.1jc1ukuiwltwwN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Doug  wrote:
>
>> I  remember years ago listening to the scientists
>
> Well there's a lie for a start.

Weren't they called alchemists when Duhg was young?

On 10 Sep, 12:12, "Robert Campbell"  wrote:
> "Steve Firth" <%ste...@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1in1v3t.1jc1ukuiwltwwN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>
> > Doug  wrote:
>
> >> I  remember years ago listening to the scientists
>
> > Well there's a lie for a start.
>
> Weren't they called alchemists when Duhg was young?

Doug "two ozones" Bollen wouldn't recognise science if it jumped up
and bit him on the arse.

On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> > > > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> > > >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> > > >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> > > >> ---
>
> > > >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> > > >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
> > > >> care.
> > > >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> > > >> topic.
>
> > > > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> > > Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
> > > population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
> > > are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
> > Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> Another GollumLie.
>
Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>
>  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
> large majority.

Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
think own more than one car?

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>>  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>> large majority.

> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
> think own more than one car?

Odd. Your definition of "motorist" is normally anybody with a driving 
licence, whether they own a car or not. 

If you're now changing it to only car owners, you owe a few posters here 
an apology - since you've labelled them "motorists" in the past despite 
them pointing out they don't own cars.

Adrian wrote:
> Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
>>> At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>>> large majority.
>
>> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
>> think own more than one car?
>
> Odd. Your definition of "motorist" is normally anybody with a driving
> licence, whether they own a car or not.

My Gran is a motorist according to Duhg's logic. IIRC she hasn't driven 
*anything* since 1952

Mike P

On 10 Sep, 15:56, Doug  wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > >news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > > >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> > > > >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> > > > >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> > > > >> ---
>
> > > > >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> > > > >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
> > > > >> care.
> > > > >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> > > > >> topic.
>
> > > > > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> > > > Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
> > > > population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
> > > > are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
> > > Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> > Another GollumLie.
>
> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.

Sorry, I should have said "another BollenLie"

> >  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
> > large majority.
>
> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
> think own more than one car?

More than 70% of adults have a driving licence and are therefore, by
your definition, motorists.

Hoist by your own petard, Gollum!

On 10 Sep, 15:56, Doug  wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>
> > On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > >news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > > >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> > > > >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> > > > >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> > > > >> ---
>
> > > > >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> > > > >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
> > > > >> care.
> > > > >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> > > > >> topic.
>
> > > > > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> > > > Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
> > > > population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
> > > > are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
> > > Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> > Another GollumLie.
>
> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>
>
>
> >  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
> > large majority.
>
> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
> think own more than one car?

With an average of 2 cars per family, and 4 people per family, that's
54 million people that use a car -- 90% of the country.

Doug wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>>> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
>>>>>> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
>>>>>> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
>>>>>> care.
>>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
>>>>>> topic.
>>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
>>>> population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
>>>> are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>> Another GollumLie.
>>
> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>>  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>> large majority.
> 
> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
> think own more than one car?
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

And how many motorist do you think don't own a car?

-- 
Tony the Dragon

Tony Dragon wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>>> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
>>>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence
>>>>>>> on the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack
>>>>>>> of thoroughness and care.
>>>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
>>>>>>> again, off topic.
>>>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
>>>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
>>>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>>> Another GollumLie.
>>>
>> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>>>  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>>> large majority.
>>
>> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
>> think own more than one car?
>>
>> --
>> World Carfree Network
>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> And how many motorist do you think don't own a car?

Wouldn't logic dictate that a person who has no car is not a motorist? Do 
you have to be a driver to be a motorist?

Mike P

On 10 Sep, 17:01, "Mike P"  wrote:
> Tony Dragon wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> >> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
> >>> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>
> >>>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
> >>>>>news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
> >>>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
> >>>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence
> >>>>>>> on the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack
> >>>>>>> of thoroughness and care.
> >>>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
> >>>>>>> again, off topic.
> >>>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
> >>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
> >>>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
> >>>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
> >>>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
> >>> Another GollumLie.
>
> >> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
> >>>  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
> >>> large majority.
>
> >> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
> >> think own more than one car?
>
> >> --
> >> World Carfree Network
> >>http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> >> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> > And how many motorist do you think don't own a car?
>
> Wouldn't logic dictate that a person who has no car is not a motorist? Do
> you have to be a driver to be a motorist?

I would say that if you have (and make use of) regular access to a
car, you are a motorist.

Mike P wrote:
> Tony Dragon wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>>>> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
>>>>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>>>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence
>>>>>>>> on the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack
>>>>>>>> of thoroughness and care.
>>>>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
>>>>>>>> again, off topic.
>>>>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
>>>>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
>>>>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>>>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>>>> Another GollumLie.
>>>>
>>> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>>>>  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>>>> large majority.
>>> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
>>> think own more than one car?
>>>
>>> --
>>> World Carfree Network
>>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>> And how many motorist do you think don't own a car?
> 
> Wouldn't logic dictate that a person who has no car is not a motorist? Do 
> you have to be a driver to be a motorist?
> 
> Mike P 
> 
> 

I own a car, therefor I am a motorist.
My wife drives the car more than I do, is she a motorist?

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 10 Sep, 16:31, BrianW  wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 15:56, Doug  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>
> > > On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > > On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > > > >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> > > > > >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> > > > > >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> > > > > >> ---
>
> > > > > >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> > > > > >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
> > > > > >> care.
> > > > > >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> > > > > >> topic.
>
> > > > > > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> > > > > Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
> > > > > population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
> > > > > are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
> > > > Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> > > Another GollumLie.
>
> > Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>
> Sorry, I should have said "another BollenLie"
>
> > >  At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
> > > large majority.
>
> > Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
> > think own more than one car?
>
> More than 70% of adults have a driving licence and are therefore, by
> your definition, motorists.
>
Source?

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
>>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>
>>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>
>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on
>>>>>> the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of
>>>>>> thoroughness and care.
>>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
>>>>>> again, off topic.
>>
>>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>
>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
>>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
>>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>
>>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>>
>> Another GollumLie.
>>
> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>>
>> At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>> large majority.
>
> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars.

Source?

Mike P

On 10 Sep, 17:15, "Mike P"  wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
> >> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>
> >>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
> >>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> >>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> >>>>>> ---
>
> >>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on
> >>>>>> the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of
> >>>>>> thoroughness and care.
> >>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
> >>>>>> again, off topic.
>
> >>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> >>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
> >>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
> >>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
> >>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> >> Another GollumLie.
>
> > Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>
> >> At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
> >> large majority.
>
> > Wrong again. There are 27 million cars.
>
> Source?
>
Which one? How about http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=219239

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

"Graculus"  wrote in message 
news:6ip5onFrc3m0U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Doug"  wrote in message 
> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> The address is www.CarEnvironment.net
>
> ---
>
> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home 
> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and 
> care.

More to the point, how can you take a web site that cites Colin Campbell as 
an authority seriously?

Colin Bignell

Doug wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 17:15, "Mike P"  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>>>> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus"
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
>>>>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>
>>>>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence
>>>>>>>> on the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack
>>>>>>>> of thoroughness and care.
>>>>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
>>>>>>>> again, off topic.
>>
>>>>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>
>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
>>>>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
>>>>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>
>>>>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>>
>>>> Another GollumLie.
>>
>>> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>>
>>>> At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>>>> large majority.
>>
>>> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars.
>>
>> Source?
>>
> Which one? How about
> http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=219239

How about an original source not a biased news report?

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> The address is www.CarEnvironment.net

The site claims that we have only 35 years of oil left at current rates of 
consumption. What it is actually giving is the reserves to production 
ratio - a figure the oil industry uses as an indicator of how well they are 
doing at finding new oil reserves, but which is most emphatically not an 
indicator of when oil will run out, otherwise, going by historical values of 
the ratio, we would have run out long since. The oil industry figure is 
currently 41 years, but it was 35 years in 1983. The only thing that tells 
us is that, over the past 25 years, oil reserves have been increasing faster 
than the rate of consumption. If that is typical of the standards of 
research on the site, it is not worth the paper it is written on.

The site also relies heavily on US figures, which has a quite different 
pattern of energy consumption from anywhere else in the world, making it a 
poor source of information about transport in the UK.

Colin Bignell

> "Doug"  wrote in message
> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>
>> The address is www.CarEnvironment.net
>
> The site claims that we have only 35 years of oil left at current
> rates of consumption. What it is actually giving is the reserves to
> production ratio - a figure the oil industry uses as an indicator of how 
> well
> they are doing at finding new oil reserves, but which is most
> emphatically not an indicator of when oil will run out, otherwise,
> going by historical values of the ratio, we would have run out long
> since. The oil industry figure is currently 41 years, but it was 35
> years in 1983. The only thing that tells us is that, over the past 25
> years, oil reserves have been increasing faster than the rate of
> consumption. If that is typical of the standards of research on the
> site, it is not worth the paper it is written on.
> The site also relies heavily on US figures, which has a quite
> different pattern of energy consumption from anywhere else in the
> world, making it a poor source of information about transport in the
> UK.
Since when has his Dougness bothered with little things like relevance and 
accuracy?

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:6b6e6f48-6aec-480d-8946-b443177d7a1a@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
think own more than one car?

--

I haven't owned a car in this country for over 18 years. Does that get me 
off the hook, then (not that I was on one anyway)?

Doug wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 17:15, "Mike P"  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>>>> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus"
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>> news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
>>>>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>
>>>>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence
>>>>>>>> on the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack
>>>>>>>> of thoroughness and care.
>>>>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
>>>>>>>> again, off topic.
>>
>>>>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>
>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
>>>>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
>>>>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>
>>>>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>>
>>>> Another GollumLie.
>>
>>> Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>>
>>>> At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>>>> large majority.
>>
>>> Wrong again. There are 27 million cars.
>>
>> Source?
>>
> Which one? How about
> http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=219239


Hey! You CAN occasionally back up your shite with stats. I only posted 
"source" to see if you could. ITYF I posted the number of cars on the road 
some weeks ago in response to a similar (aren't they all) thread...

Mike P

On 10 Sep, 17:11, Doug  wrote:
> On 10 Sep, 16:31, BrianW  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10 Sep, 15:56, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>
> > > > On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > > > On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > >> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to describe
> > > > > > >> the environmental impact of the automobile.
>
> > > > > > >> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>
> > > > > > >> ---
>
> > > > > > >> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on the home
> > > > > > >> page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of thoroughness and
> > > > > > >> care.
> > > > > > >> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once again, off
> > > > > > >> topic.
>
> > > > > > > Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>
> > > > > > Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of the
> > > > > > population as not taking anything seriously. And with statements like that,
> > > > > > are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>
> > > > > Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>
> > > > Another GollumLie.
>
> > > Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>
> > Sorry, I should have said "another BollenLie"
>
> > > > �At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
> > > > large majority.
>
> > > Wrong again. There are 27 million cars. So how many motorists do you
> > > think own more than one car?
>
> > More than 70% of adults have a driving licence and are therefore, by
> > your definition, motorists.
>
> Source?

<sigh>

The same source as I gave you last time you posted GollumLies on this
subject (which was 22 Aug:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.transport/browse_frm/thread/ee4ef9d6e9d0bd5b/8138f70951046c9a?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=spooky#8138f70951046c9a)

is still applicable:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/162259/162469/221412/221531/223955/322743/NTS2006V3.pdf

75% of households have access to a car (page 9)
81% of men and 63% of women hold a full licence (page 11)
81% of people live in a household with access to a car (page 12)

Sorry, Gollum, motorists form a large majority, however you look at
it.

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:70ee79f8-5cce-4774-afec-0ac50394caa0@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 Sep, 17:15, "Mike P"  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>> > On 10 Sep, 08:57, BrianW  wrote:
>> >> On 10 Sep, 07:36, Doug  wrote:
>>
>> >>> On 10 Sep, 07:09, "Graculus" 
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>>>news:32186b09-a69e-4179-b59b-04991be73dc0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>>>> On 10 Sep, 06:54, "Graculus" 
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>>>>>news:74aa2bc1-667f-4c1e-bf54-4c509f66085a@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>> "A site called "LivingSpace" has been created, it attempts to
>> >>>>>> describe the environmental impact of the automobile.
>>
>> >>>>>> The address iswww.CarEnvironment.net
>>
>> >>>>>> ---
>>
>> >>>>>> How can I take seriously a web site whose very first sentence on
>> >>>>>> the home page contains grammatical errors? It shows a lack of
>> >>>>>> thoroughness and care.
>> >>>>>> And it doesn't seem to be particularly UK related, so, once
>> >>>>>> again, off topic.
>>
>> >>>>> Why would I expect you, a motorist, to take anything seriously?
>>
>> >>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! So, you have just dismissed the clear majarity of
>> >>>> the population as not taking anything seriously. And with
>> >>>> statements like that, are we expected to take YOU seriously?
>>
>> >>> Motorists are only a small majority, aka mob.
>>
>> >> Another GollumLie.
>>
>> > Wrong ID as usual. Accuracy is not your strong point.
>>
>> >> At least 70% of the population are motorists - a
>> >> large majority.
>>
>> > Wrong again. There are 27 million cars.
>>
>> Source?
>>
> Which one? How about http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=219239

Hey guys, STOP! Don't you realise, all this pissing around with precise 
numbers is typical Doug distraction tactics in order to avoid the point. 
What the hell does it matter if there are 20 million, 30 million or 40 
million drivers (note, not cars)? The point is, there are a lot of them, and 
Doug has dismissed them all as not serious if one fell swoop.

Doug, would you care to justify your statement "Why would I expect you, a 
motorist, to take anything seriously" which would imply that being a 
motorist implies not taking anything seriously?

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:38:55 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
 wrote:


>> >> I  remember years ago listening to the scientists
>>
>> > Well there's a lie for a start.
>>
>> Weren't they called alchemists when Duhg was young?
>
>Doug "two ozones" Bollen wouldn't recognise science if it jumped up
>and bit him on the arse.

Ancient Arabic Proverb ...

Li maya’rif il-shaheen yishweeh

"Those who pick up a trade where they have no experience or take over
a task where they have no skills are bound to do more harm than good."

Right up your street Luhgless.

Derek