Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to reduce
induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub car parks.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-business-at-a-rate-of-36-per-week-922488.html

"Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as drinkers
choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.

The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading in
the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times faster than
in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.

Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising rent
and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.

The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of above-
inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are expected to close
by the end of the year. "There will be many thousands of closures –
probably 6,000 in the next three or four years," warned Mark Brumby, a
City analyst with Blue Oar Securities.

The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged to
concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
somethings and fifty-somethings."

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Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> Pubs are being urged to concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, 
> females, forty- somethings and fifty-somethings."

What about us firty-somefings?

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:ee8a0a49-aca9-4497-8ae4-ea07c1b11d6c@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Only indirectly linked to transport I know

---

And therefore not really relevant for this ng.

Doug wrote:
> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to reduce
> induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub car parks.
>
It's not even faintly related you stupid little man.

On 8 Sep, 07:52, Doug  wrote:
> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to reduce
> induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub car parks.

Are you trying to up your game in the "mong of the month" competition,
now that Glug and Tommy are back on uk.transport?

On Sep 8, 7:52 am, Doug  wrote:
> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to reduce
> induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub car parks.

Perhaps it will make it worse as people instead go around to friends
houses to drink instead...
Where there will be possibly be more peer pressure for everyone to
have a drink?  And there is no requirement for a responsible person in
control of the distribution of alcohol.

Fod

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
wrote:

> Pubs are being urged to
>concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
>somethings and fifty-somethings."


Some of the pubs round here used to concentrate on another "f" 
(not on the list).

With a measure of fuccess, I might add.

Derek

In article <ee8a0a49-aca9-4497-8ae4-
ea07c1b11d6c@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
> Only indirectly linked to transport 

Try not at all.

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Doug wrote:
> Only indirectly linked to transport

Or absolutely not linked to transport at all.

Mike P

"Mike P"  wrote in message 
news:6ikedkFpugg5U1@mid.individual.net...
> Doug wrote:
>> Only indirectly linked to transport
>
> Or absolutely not linked to transport at all.
>
unless a drunk crashes his car!

It only proves that Doug and his detractors have a  similar  limited  view 
of the World.

supermarket sales are shooting up, and becoming the single biggest purveyor 
of booze - everyone I know drives to the supermarket  (apart from  few who 
get their goods delivered) so where is either the upside OR the downside for 
the planet?

Indeed as more people drink more booze as its cheaper in real terms than 
anytime in the last century .......

Tommy wrote:
> "Mike P"  wrote in message
> news:6ikedkFpugg5U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Only indirectly linked to transport
>>
>> Or absolutely not linked to transport at all.
>>

> unless a drunk crashes his car!

Which isn't what this article is about, or even mentions.

> It only proves that Doug and Toomtard have a  similar  limited view of the 
> World.
>
> supermarket sales are shooting up, and becoming the single biggest
> purveyor of booze - everyone I know drives to the supermarket  (apart
> from  few who get their goods delivered) so where is either the
> upside OR the downside for the planet?

Who cares, it's not a transport related issue that pubs are closing

> Indeed as more people drink more booze as its cheaper in real terms
> than anytime in the last century .......

Tell us something we don't know. I don't actually give a shit as I don't 
drink anyway..

Mike P

On 8 Sep, 12:31, "Tommy"  wrote:
> "Mike P"  wrote in message
>
> news:6ikedkFpugg5U1@mid.individual.net...> Doug wrote:
> >> Only indirectly linked to transport
>
> > Or absolutely not linked to transport at all.
>
> unless a drunk crashes his car!
>
> It only proves that Doug and his detractors have a  similar  limited  view
> of the World.

No it doesn't.  It proves that Duhg is a moron, and nothing else.

"Mike P"  wrote in message 
news:6ikgvcFqugfsU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Tell us something we don't know. I don't actually give a shit as I don't 
> drink anyway..
>
Pity,

You might become human after a few :)

On 8 Sep, 12:31, "Tommy"  wrote:
> "Mike P"  wrote in message
>
> news:6ikedkFpugg5U1@mid.individual.net...> Doug wrote:
> >> Only indirectly linked to transport
>
> > Or absolutely not linked to transport at all.
>
> unless a drunk crashes his car!
>
> It only proves that Doug and his detractors have a  similar  limited  view
> of the World.
>
> supermarket sales are shooting up, and becoming the single biggest purveyor
> of booze - everyone I know drives to the supermarket  (apart from  few who
> get their goods delivered) so where is either the upside OR the downside for
> the planet?
>
> Indeed as more people drink more booze as its cheaper in real terms than
> anytime in the last century .......

Yes, but is it cheaper than bottled water or petrol, we must know this
to do a comparison.


Francis

On 8 Sep, 13:53, "Tommy"  wrote:
> "Mike P"  wrote in message
>
> news:6ikgvcFqugfsU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > Tell us something we don't know. I don't actually give a shit as I don't
> > drink anyway..
>
> Pity,
>
> You might become human after a few :)

I'm guessing that today's boozing hasn't started (or kicked in) yet,
as your posts are reasonably coherent.  Will normal service (i.e.
retarded gibberish) resume later in the afternoon, Toomtard?

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
wrote:

>Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to reduce
>induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub car parks.
>
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-business-at-a-rate-of-36-per-week-922488.html
>
>"Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as drinkers
>choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
>
>The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading in
>the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times faster than
>in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
>
>Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising rent
>and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
>
>The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of above-
>inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are expected to close
>by the end of the year. "There will be many thousands of closures –
>probably 6,000 in the next three or four years," warned Mark Brumby, a
>City analyst with Blue Oar Securities.
>
>The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
>September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged to
>concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
>somethings and fifty-somethings."

Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots that
do have car parks become Balti's or other food + drink establishments
thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few, again with car parks
become other retail. Others get replaced by high density housing thus
ensuring yet more car use from the site.

Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now than
anytime since 1912 (as 100+ more have closed it may be since 1911).
Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less distance
travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be able to see why
your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink driving is wrong.
-- 
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Tommy wrote:

> supermarket sales are shooting up

Smack cheaper than beer?

-- 
Abo

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:28:22 +0100, Abo <no@spam.thanks> wrote:

>Tommy wrote:
>
>> supermarket sales are shooting up
>
>Smack cheaper than beer?

I believe that's delivered to the door.
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On 8 Sep, 17:54, Peter Hill  wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to reduce
> >induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub car parks.
>
> >http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-busin...
>
> >"Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as drinkers
> >choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
>
> >The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading in
> >the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times faster than
> >in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
>
> >Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising rent
> >and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
>
> >The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of above-
> >inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are expected to close
> >by the end of the year. "There will be many thousands of closures –
> >probably 6,000 in the next three or four years," warned Mark Brumby, a
> >City analyst with Blue Oar Securities.
>
> >The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
> >September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged to
> >concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
> >somethings and fifty-somethings."
>
> Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots that
> do have car parks become Balti's or other food  drink establishments
> thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few, again with car parks
> become other retail. Others get replaced by high density housing thus
> ensuring yet more car use from the site.
>
Most of the closed pubs I have seen lately are boarded up and the land
is out of use.
>
> Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now than
> anytime since 1912 (as 100 more have closed it may be since 1911).
> Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less distance
> travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be able to see why
> your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink driving is wrong.
>
It is self evident that the fewer pub car parks there are the less
tempted motorists will be to drink and drive.

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Doug wrote:
> On 8 Sep, 17:54, Peter Hill  wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to
>>> reduce induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub
>>> car parks.
>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-busin...
>>
>>> "Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as drinkers
>>> choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
>>
>>> The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading in
>>> the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times faster
>>> than in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
>>
>>> Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising
>>> rent and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
>>
>>> The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of
>>> above- inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are expected
>>> to close by the end of the year. "There will be many thousands of
>>> closures – probably 6,000 in the next three or four years," warned
>>> Mark Brumby, a City analyst with Blue Oar Securities.
>>
>>> The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
>>> September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged
>>> to concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
>>> somethings and fifty-somethings."
>>
>> Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots that
>> do have car parks become Balti's or other food + drink establishments
>> thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few, again with car
>> parks become other retail. Others get replaced by high density
>> housing thus ensuring yet more car use from the site.
>>
> Most of the closed pubs I have seen lately are boarded up and the land
> is out of use.
>>
>> Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now
>> than anytime since 1912 (as 100+ more have closed it may be since
>> 1911). Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less distance
>> travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be able to see
>> why your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink driving is wrong.
>>
> It is self evident that the fewer pub car parks there are the less
> tempted motorists will be to drink and drive.

What about those people who buy their booze from the supermarket or corner 
shop, never going near a pub, but still drink and drive Doug, how do you 
propose dealing with them, stop booze being sold at all?

Brimstone wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> On 8 Sep, 17:54, Peter Hill  wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to
>>>> reduce induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub
>>>> car parks.
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-busin...
>>>> "Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as drinkers
>>>> choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
>>>> The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading in
>>>> the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times faster
>>>> than in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
>>>> Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising
>>>> rent and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
>>>> The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of
>>>> above- inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are expected
>>>> to close by the end of the year. "There will be many thousands of
>>>> closures – probably 6,000 in the next three or four years," warned
>>>> Mark Brumby, a City analyst with Blue Oar Securities.
>>>> The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
>>>> September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged
>>>> to concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
>>>> somethings and fifty-somethings."
>>> Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots that
>>> do have car parks become Balti's or other food + drink establishments
>>> thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few, again with car
>>> parks become other retail. Others get replaced by high density
>>> housing thus ensuring yet more car use from the site.
>>>
>> Most of the closed pubs I have seen lately are boarded up and the land
>> is out of use.
>>> Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now
>>> than anytime since 1912 (as 100+ more have closed it may be since
>>> 1911). Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less distance
>>> travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be able to see
>>> why your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink driving is wrong.
>>>
>> It is self evident that the fewer pub car parks there are the less
>> tempted motorists will be to drink and drive.
> 
> What about those people who buy their booze from the supermarket or corner 
> shop, never going near a pub, but still drink and drive Doug, how do you 
> propose dealing with them, stop booze being sold at all? 
> 
> 

If Doug finds out that people like something, then he is against it.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

Tony Dragon wrote:

>
> If Doug finds out that people like something, then he is against it.

I think you don't give Doug enough credit. He dislikes everything, 
especially people.

On 9 Sep, 08:01, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > On 8 Sep, 17:54, Peter Hill  wrote:
> >> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to
> >>> reduce induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub
> >>> car parks.
>
> >>>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-busin.> >>> "Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as drinkers
> >>> choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
>
> >>> The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading in
> >>> the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times faster
> >>> than in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
>
> >>> Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising
> >>> rent and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
>
> >>> The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of
> >>> above- inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are expected
> >>> to close by the end of the year. "There will be many thousands of
> >>> closures – probably 6,000 in the next three or four years," warned
> >>> Mark Brumby, a City analyst with Blue Oar Securities.
>
> >>> The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
> >>> September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged
> >>> to concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
> >>> somethings and fifty-somethings."
>
> >> Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots that
> >> do have car parks become Balti's or other food  drink establishments
> >> thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few, again with car
> >> parks become other retail. Others get replaced by high density
> >> housing thus ensuring yet more car use from the site.
>
> > Most of the closed pubs I have seen lately are boarded up and the land
> > is out of use.
>
> >> Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now
> >> than anytime since 1912 (as 100 more have closed it may be since
> >> 1911). Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less distance
> >> travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be able to see
> >> why your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink driving is wrong.
>
> > It is self evident that the fewer pub car parks there are the less
> > tempted motorists will be to drink and drive.
>
> What about those people who buy their booze from the supermarket or corner
> shop, never going near a pub, but still drink and drive Doug, how do you
> propose dealing with them, stop booze being sold at all?
>
If the supermarket or shop does not have a car park then there is no
direct incitement to drink and drive, as there is with a pub car park.
Also, unlike a pub, the primary purpose is not to sell alcohol.

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On 9 Sep, 08:35, Tony Dragon  wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> >> On 8 Sep, 17:54, Peter Hill  wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to
> >>>> reduce induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub
> >>>> car parks.
> >>>>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-busin> >>>> "Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as drinkers
> >>>> choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
> >>>> The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading in
> >>>> the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times faster
> >>>> than in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
> >>>> Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising
> >>>> rent and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
> >>>> The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of
> >>>> above- inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are expected
> >>>> to close by the end of the year. "There will be many thousands of
> >>>> closures – probably 6,000 in the next three or four years," warned
> >>>> Mark Brumby, a City analyst with Blue Oar Securities.
> >>>> The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
> >>>> September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged
> >>>> to concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
> >>>> somethings and fifty-somethings."
> >>> Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots that
> >>> do have car parks become Balti's or other food  drink establishments
> >>> thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few, again with car
> >>> parks become other retail. Others get replaced by high density
> >>> housing thus ensuring yet more car use from the site.
>
> >> Most of the closed pubs I have seen lately are boarded up and the land
> >> is out of use.
> >>> Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now
> >>> than anytime since 1912 (as 100 more have closed it may be since
> >>> 1911). Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less distance
> >>> travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be able to see
> >>> why your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink driving is wrong.
>
> >> It is self evident that the fewer pub car parks there are the less
> >> tempted motorists will be to drink and drive.
>
> > What about those people who buy their booze from the supermarket or corner
> > shop, never going near a pub, but still drink and drive Doug, how do you
> > propose dealing with them, stop booze being sold at all?
>
> If Doug finds out that people like something, then he is against it.
>
Wrong as usual. People like bicycles and the internet, for example,
and I am in favour of them.

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Doug wrote:
> On 9 Sep, 08:01, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 8 Sep, 17:54, Peter Hill 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to
>>>>> reduce induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub
>>>>> car parks.
>>
>>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-busin...
>>
>>>>> "Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as
>>>>> drinkers choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
>>
>>>>> The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased trading
>>>>> in the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine times
>>>>> faster than in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
>>
>>>>> Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising
>>>>> rent and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
>>
>>>>> The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of
>>>>> above- inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are
>>>>> expected to close by the end of the year. "There will be many
>>>>> thousands of closures – probably 6,000 in the next three or four
>>>>> years," warned Mark Brumby, a City analyst with Blue Oar
>>>>> Securities.
>>
>>>>> The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
>>>>> September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being urged
>>>>> to concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females, forty-
>>>>> somethings and fifty-somethings."
>>
>>>> Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots
>>>> that do have car parks become Balti's or other food + drink
>>>> establishments thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few,
>>>> again with car parks become other retail. Others get replaced by
>>>> high density housing thus ensuring yet more car use from the site.
>>
>>> Most of the closed pubs I have seen lately are boarded up and the
>>> land is out of use.
>>
>>>> Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now
>>>> than anytime since 1912 (as 100+ more have closed it may be since
>>>> 1911). Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less
>>>> distance travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be
>>>> able to see why your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink
>>>> driving is wrong.
>>
>>> It is self evident that the fewer pub car parks there are the less
>>> tempted motorists will be to drink and drive.
>>
>> What about those people who buy their booze from the supermarket or
>> corner shop, never going near a pub, but still drink and drive Doug,
>> how do you propose dealing with them, stop booze being sold at all?
>>
> If the supermarket or shop does not have a car park then there is no
> direct incitement to drink and drive, as there is with a pub car park.

What about those pubs that don't have car parks Doug and those shops that 
don't have car parks?

> Also, unlike a pub, the primary purpose is not to sell alcohol.

So there no such thing as an off-licence (as in, a shop that primarily sells 
alcohol)?

Doug wrote:
> On 9 Sep, 08:35, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>> Brimstone wrote:
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> On 8 Sep, 17:54, Peter Hill 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to
>>>>>> reduce induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub
>>>>>> car parks.
>>>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pubs-closing-for-busin...
>>>>>> "Pub closures have soared to a record high – 36 a week – as
>>>>>> drinkers choose to buy cut-price alcohol for consumption at home.
>>>>>> The British Beer and Pub Association said 936 pubs ceased
>>>>>> trading in the first six months of 2008. Pubs are shutting nine
>>>>>> times faster than in 2006 and 18 times faster than in 2005.
>>>>>> Publicans complain they have been hit by the smoking ban, rising
>>>>>> rent and fuel bills, and aggressive discounting by supermarkets.
>>>>>> The BBPA fears closures will gather pace, with the imposition of
>>>>>> above- inflation rises in beer duty. Almost 2,000 pubs are
>>>>>> expected to close by the end of the year. "There will be many
>>>>>> thousands of closures – probably 6,000 in the next three or four
>>>>>> years," warned Mark Brumby, a City analyst with Blue Oar
>>>>>> Securities.
>>>>>> The BBPA is asking publicans to ring their bells at 1pm on 14
>>>>>> September to protest at the planned tax rise. Pubs are being
>>>>>> urged to concentrate on the "five fs" – food, families, females,
>>>>>> forty- somethings and fifty-somethings."
>>>>> Most of the pubs that close for good don't have car parks. Lots
>>>>> that do have car parks become Balti's or other food + drink
>>>>> establishments thus ensuring continued hypermoblity. Just a few,
>>>>> again with car parks become other retail. Others get replaced by
>>>>> high density housing thus ensuring yet more car use from the site.
>>
>>>> Most of the closed pubs I have seen lately are boarded up and the
>>>> land is out of use.
>>>>> Why not clebrate the loss of petrol stations? There are fewer now
>>>>> than anytime since 1912 (as 100+ more have closed it may be since
>>>>> 1911). Does it mean that there are fewer cars in use or less
>>>>> distance travelled? If you can anwser this correcly you will be
>>>>> able to see why your logic regarding closure of pubs and drink
>>>>> driving is wrong.
>>
>>>> It is self evident that the fewer pub car parks there are the less
>>>> tempted motorists will be to drink and drive.
>>
>>> What about those people who buy their booze from the supermarket or
>>> corner shop, never going near a pub, but still drink and drive
>>> Doug, how do you propose dealing with them, stop booze being sold
>>> at all?
>>
>> If Doug finds out that people like something, then he is against it.
>>
> Wrong as usual. People like bicycles and the internet, for example,
> and I am in favour of them.

What else do you like that the majority of other people like Doug?

Fod wrote:
> On Sep 8, 7:52 am, Doug  wrote:
>> Only indirectly linked to transport I know but it is likely to reduce
>> induced drink driving due to an increasing absence of pub car parks.
> 
> Perhaps it will make it worse as people instead go around to friends
> houses to drink instead...
> Where there will be possibly be more peer pressure for everyone to
> have a drink?  And there is no requirement for a responsible person in
> control of the distribution of alcohol.

And as the website I buy most of my home brew stuff says on its masthead 
"don't pay Gordon or Northern Rock".

-- 
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You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

In message 
, 
Doug  writes
>Wrong as usual. People like bicycles
No.   You're wrong, I don't like bicycles (unless motorised) as they 
can't keep up with and therefore hold up the majority of the traffic.
-- 
Clive

Clive  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> No.   You're wrong, I don't like bicycles (unless motorised) as they
> can't keep up with and therefore hold up the majority of the traffic.

Umm, my bicycle is considerably quicker than my motorised bicycle.

On 11 Sep, 22:33, Clive  wrote:
> In message
> ,
> Doug  writes>Wrong as usual. People like bicycles
>
> No.   You're wrong, I don't like bicycles (unless motorised) as they
> can't keep up with and therefore hold up the majority of the traffic.
>
I wouldn't class you as 'people'. You are a brief, motorised anomaly
in the evolution of mankind.

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Doug wrote:
> On 11 Sep, 22:33, Clive  wrote:
>> In message
>> ,
>> Doug  writes>Wrong as usual. People like bicycles
>>
>> No. You're wrong, I don't like bicycles (unless motorised) as they
>> can't keep up with and therefore hold up the majority of the traffic.
>>
> I wouldn't class you as 'people'. You are a brief, motorised anomaly
> in the evolution of mankind.

You really are a nasty mean minded little person aren't you?

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:52:48 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
wrote:

>Only indirectly linked to transport I know

Which means that it should not be posted to uk.transport but to a more
appropriate newsgroup like uk.rec.pubs

You, Douglas Bollen, are making frivilous use of electrical energy by
sending this rubbish to the wrong place.  Help reduce CO2 emissions by
changing this stupid behaviour.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:33:43 +0100, Clive 
wrote:

>In message 
>, 
>Doug  writes
>>Wrong as usual. People like bicycles
>No.   You're wrong, I don't like bicycles (unless motorised) as they 
>can't keep up with and therefore hold up the majority of the traffic.

Can't keep up? When I worked in town center, the 5 miles from my house
to town took 20min at 8-9am rush hour in a car or on bicycle. I obeyed
all red lights. In a city like London with what 8mph? average traffic
speed I'd still be doing 15mph and be at work in 1/2 the time it takes
by car. Just sour grapes, bikes leave your car for dead in city
traffic.

Hold up? Can't say I ever noticed it being a bike that was holding the
traffic up. It always seemed to be down to number of vehicles waiting
at junctions and that isn't due to bicycles. The biggest hold ups are
at junctions that have a large number of vehicles turning right across
a high volume oncoming traffic flow. Sounds like you just can't wait
to overtake safely for even a few meters so you can get parked up on
the back of that stationary queue of cars, someone might sneak out of
a side road and take your place in the queue. While you are parked in
that queue the bike fiters up the inside, gets though the next traffic
lights 2 or 3 cycles ahead of you and dissapears into the distance.

I've overtaken a Rover SD1 that was showing 45mph on the speedo as I
looked in while alongside it. Electric motors? Pah! They switch off at
15mph.
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In message , Peter Hill 
 writes
>Can't keep up? When I worked in town center, the 5 miles from my house
>to town took 20min at 8-9am rush hour in a car or on bicycle. I obeyed
>all red lights. In a city like London with what 8mph? average traffic
>speed I'd still be doing 15mph and be at work in 1/2 the time it takes
>by car. Just sour grapes, bikes leave your car for dead in city
>traffic.
In the town where I live, 6 cars constitute a traffic jam, so yes bikes 
are not only slower but a nuisance to car drivers and pedestrians alike, 
it's time all roads had parallel cycle tracks and to venture off of 
these generated a FPN.
-- 
Clive