Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driver_jailed_for_seven_years/

"francis"  wrote in message 
news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driver_jailed_for_seven_years/


This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers 
together.  It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.

I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver 
perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and 
driving.  Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum 
sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.

Mike P

On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> together.  It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> driving.  Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> Mike P

I agree with you, I was putting the Doug POV

"francis"  wrote in message 
news:07aadaeb-690a-45df-aea6-2999b2685e5a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> together. It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> driving. Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> Mike P

>I agree with you, I was putting the Doug POV

Sorry, I'm even slower than usual today :-) I thought you might be after I 
posted that..

Mike P

On 5 Sep, 12:39, francis  wrote:
> Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, seehttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...

Yes, I saw that and was going to post it, but you beat me to it.  He
got 7 years.  Average sentence for people convicted of manslaughter
over the period 1996-2004 was 61.4 months i.e. a shade over 5 years.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo060720/text/60720w1849.htm

Oh dear, yet another of Bollen's toes bites the dust.

BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> Yes, I saw that and was going to post it, but you beat me to it.  He got
> 7 years.  Average sentence for people convicted of manslaughter over the
> period 1996-2004 was 61.4 months i.e. a shade over 5 years.

Not to mention a seven year driving ban - how many people convicted of 
manslaughter in pub fights are banned from pubs after they've left prison?

On 5 Sep, 13:28, "Mike P"  wrote:
> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> news:07aadaeb-690a-45df-aea6-2999b2685e5a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "francis"  wrote in message
>
> >news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> > >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> > This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> > together. It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> > I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> > perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> > driving. Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> > sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> > Mike P
> >I agree with you, I was putting the Doug POV
>
> Sorry, I'm even slower than usual today :-) I thought you might be after I
> posted that..
>
> Mike P- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

As it is a Friday I will forgive you, but if it happend again you will
have to stay in after class.

Francis

On 5 Sep, 13:42, BrianW  wrote:
> On 5 Sep, 12:39, francis  wrote:
>
> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, seehttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> Yes, I saw that and was going to post it, but you beat me to it.  He
> got 7 years.  Average sentence for people convicted of manslaughter
> over the period 1996-2004 was 61.4 months i.e. a shade over 5 years.
>
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo060720/t...
>
> Oh dear, yet another of Bollen's toes bites the dust.

Can you cycle without toes?

francis  wrote:

> Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driver_ja
> iled_for_seven_years/

There's another one here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7599512.stm

On 5 Sep, 13:47, Adrian  wrote:
> BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
> > Yes, I saw that and was going to post it, but you beat me to it.  He got
> > 7 years.  Average sentence for people convicted of manslaughter over the
> > period 1996-2004 was 61.4 months i.e. a shade over 5 years.
>
> Not to mention a seven year driving ban - how many people convicted of
> manslaughter in pub fights are banned from pubs after they've left prisonDoubtless Gollum will accuse us of "cherry picking".  Obviously, when
he posts one-off stories in which killer drivers get overly lenient
sentences, that is not cherry picking, but is instead providing
"typical examples".

francis wrote:
> Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driver_jailed_for_seven_years/

Where was the intend, fuckwit?

-- 
Abo

Abo wrote:
> francis wrote:
>> Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
>> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driver_jailed_for_seven_years/ 
>>
> 
> Where was the intend, fuckwit?
> 

Ah wait... I read the header and not who sent it, I thought this was 
from Gollum lol

-- 
Abo

On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> together.  It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> driving.  Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
>> "francis"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
>> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>>
>> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
>> together.  It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>>
>> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
>> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
>> driving.  Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
>> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>>
>Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
>have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
>killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?

It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.

Mark
-- 
My rather pointless blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
My less pointless stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
> 
>> On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
>>> "francis"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
>>>> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>>> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
>>> together.  It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
>>> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
>>> driving.  Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
>>> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>>>
>> Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
>> have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
>> killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?
> 
> It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
> convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
> if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
> required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.
> 
> Mark

He has been told this on many occasions but thinks everyone will forget.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

In message 
, 
francis  writes
>On 5 Sep, 13:42, BrianW  wrote:
>> On 5 Sep, 12:39, francis  wrote:
>>
>> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, 
>> 
>> >>seehttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>>
>> Yes, I saw that and was going to post it, but you beat me to it.  He
>> got 7 years.  Average sentence for people convicted of manslaughter
>> over the period 1996-2004 was 61.4 months i.e. a shade over 5 years.
>>
>> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo060720/t...
>>
>> Oh dear, yet another of Bollen's toes bites the dust.
>
>Can you cycle without toes?

Duhg manages to post to Usenet without a brain, so why not?


-- 
Ed Banger

On 6 Sep, 09:02, Mark Goodge  wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> >> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com..> >> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> >> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv> >> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> >> together. �It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> >> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> >> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> >> driving. �Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> >> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> >Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
> >have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
> >killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?
>
> It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
> convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
> if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
> required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.

Correct.  I quote from the CPS website:

"As a matter of law it is more difficult to prove an offence of gross
negligence manslaughter than it is to prove an offence of causing
death by dangerous driving. It is not necessary to have evidence of an
obvious and serious risk of death to prove an offence of causing death
by dangerous driving. All that is required is evidence that the
driving was dangerous and that the driving caused the death of another
person."

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#15

Obviously not as authoritative as Duhg's man in the pub "s'obvious
innit" line of reasoning, but it will have to do.

On 6 Sep, 09:02, Mark Goodge  wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>
>
> >On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> >> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com..> >> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> >> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv> >> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> >> together.  It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> >> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> >> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> >> driving.  Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> >> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> >Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
> >have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
> >killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?
>
> It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
> convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
> if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
> required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.
>
Such as?

--
Critical Mass London
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"We aren't blocking traffic, we are traffic".

On 6 Sep, 18:03, BrianW  wrote:
> On 6 Sep, 09:02, Mark Goodge  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
> > and typed:
>
> > >On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> > >> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> > >>news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> > >> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> > >> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> > >> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> > >> together. It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> > >> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> > >> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> > >> driving. Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> > >> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> > >Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
> > >have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
> > >killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?
>
> > It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
> > convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
> > if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
> > required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.
>
> Correct.  I quote from the CPS website:
>
> "As a matter of law it is more difficult to prove an offence of gross
> negligence manslaughter than it is to prove an offence of causing
> death by dangerous driving. It is not necessary to have evidence of an
> obvious and serious risk of death to prove an offence of causing death
> by dangerous driving. All that is required is evidence that the
> driving was dangerous and that the driving caused the death of another
> person."
>
> http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#15
>
> Obviously not as authoritative as Duhg's man in the pub "s'obvious
> innit" line of reasoning, but it will have to do.
>
Yes but. It might be easier to convict but the resulting sentence will
almost certainly be much less than with manslaughter. Also the CPS
demonstrate the popularly held belief that cars are not as dangerous
as they are. The illusion that they are perfectly safe if driven
properly, which takes no account of human fallibility, mechanical
failure, poor infrastructure, or the laws of physics.

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug wrote:
> On 6 Sep, 18:03, BrianW  wrote:
>> On 6 Sep, 09:02, Mark Goodge 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
>>> and typed:
>>
>>>> On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
>>>>> "francis"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>> news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>> Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
>>>>>> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>>
>>>>> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all
>>>>> us drivers together. It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>>
>>>>> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this
>>>>> driver perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or
>>>>> drinking and driving. Some will think he should have got longer
>>>>> inside, as the maximum sentence for causing death by dangerous
>>>>> driving is 14 years.
>>
>>>> Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it
>>>> would have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life.
>>>> Why is killing on a road considered to be less serious than
>>>> elsewhere?
>>
>>> It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
>>> convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
>>> if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
>>> required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.
>>
>> Correct. I quote from the CPS website:
>>
>> "As a matter of law it is more difficult to prove an offence of gross
>> negligence manslaughter than it is to prove an offence of causing
>> death by dangerous driving. It is not necessary to have evidence of
>> an obvious and serious risk of death to prove an offence of causing
>> death by dangerous driving. All that is required is evidence that the
>> driving was dangerous and that the driving caused the death of
>> another person."
>>
>> http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#15
>>
>> Obviously not as authoritative as Duhg's man in the pub "s'obvious
>> innit" line of reasoning, but it will have to do.
>>
> Yes but. It might be easier to convict but the resulting sentence will
> almost certainly be much less than with manslaughter.

Show the evidence to support that assertion.

On 7 Sep, 07:29, Doug  wrote:
> On 6 Sep, 18:03, BrianW  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 6 Sep, 09:02, Mark Goodge  wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
> > > and typed:
>
> > > >On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> > > >> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> > > >>news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> > > >> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> > > >> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> > > >> together. It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> > > >> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> > > >> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> > > >> driving. Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> > > >> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> > > >Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
> > > >have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
> > > >killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?
>
> > > It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
> > > convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
> > > if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
> > > required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.
>
> > Correct. �I quote from the CPS website:
>
> > "As a matter of law it is more difficult to prove an offence of gross
> > negligence manslaughter than it is to prove an offence of causing
> > death by dangerous driving. It is not necessary to have evidence of an
> > obvious and serious risk of death to prove an offence of causing death
> > by dangerous driving. All that is required is evidence that the
> > driving was dangerous and that the driving caused the death of another
> > person."
>
> >http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#15
>
> > Obviously not as authoritative as Duhg's man in the pub "s'obvious
> > innit" line of reasoning, but it will have to do.
>
> Yes but. It might be easier to convict but the resulting sentence will
> almost certainly be much less than with manslaughter.

Not true.  Last time we discussed this, I posted figures which showed
that, even before the recent increase in the maximum sentence (and
concomitant increase in all sentences) for death by dangerous driving,
the sentences handed down were close to those handed down for
manslaughter.  Do I really need to post the figures again?

> Also the CPS
> demonstrate the popularly held belief that cars are not as dangerous
> as they are.

No, the CPS guidance illustrates the fact that motorists can be
convicted under the death by dangerous driving offence when, had they
killed the person by other means, they would not be convicted of
manslaughter.  The exact opposite of what you always contend, in
fact.  Feel free to provide your own authority to counter that of the
CPS.

On 7 Sep, 07:20, Doug  wrote:
> On 6 Sep, 09:02, Mark Goodge  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug put finger to keyboard
> > and typed:
>
> > >On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Mike P"  wrote:
> > >> "francis"  wrote in message
>
> > >>news:a95b01d1-2b6e-4521-9dd8-04f59156141a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> > >> > Yet another example of a car driver getting away with murder, see
> > >> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3644606.Porsche_death_driv...
>
> > >> This driver is clearly a total cunt, but please don't group all us drivers
> > >> together. �It's like saying all priests are paedophiles.
>
> > >> I'm sure you'll find no one here who will defend or condone this driver
> > >> perverting the course of justice, driving like a twat, or drinking and
> > >> driving. �Some will think he should have got longer inside, as the maximum
> > >> sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years.
>
> > >Whereas if the killing had been anywhere other than on a road it would
> > >have been involuntary manslaughter with a maximum of life. Why is
> > >killing on a road considered to be less serious than elsewhere?
>
> > It isn't. It's considered *more* serious. That's why you can be
> > convicted of causing death by dangerous driving in situations which,
> > if it had happened other than on the roads, would not meet the
> > required level of culpability for a manslaughter conviction.
>
> Such as?

The CPS guidance I posted and which you commented on says exactly
that.  Feel free to provide your own authority to counter the CPS'.

Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:


> Yes but. It might be easier to convict but the resulting sentence will
> almost certainly be much less than with manslaughter.

Except it isn't.

I notice you've completely avoided the sub-thread where the average 
sentence for Manslaughter was given?

> Also the CPS demonstrate the popularly held belief that cars are not as 
> dangerous as they are. The illusion that they are perfectly safe if 
> driven properly, which takes no account of human fallibility, 
> mechanical failure, poor infrastructure, or the laws of physics.

<chortle>

2007 - 404 billion kilometres, 252 billion miles, travelled by cars in 
the UK. At an average speed of 30mph, that's 8.4 billion hours.

2,946 road deaths in 2007. Even assuming all of those involved a car 
(clue: They didn't), that's one death every 2.85 million hours.

Sounds fairly safe to me.

Do you happen to have similar stats for, say, chainsaw use?

Brimstone wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> On 6 Sep, 18:03, BrianW  wrote:

>>> Correct. I quote from the CPS website:
>>>
>>> "As a matter of law it is more difficult to prove an offence of
>>> gross negligence manslaughter than it is to prove an offence of
>>> causing death by dangerous driving. It is not necessary to have
>>> evidence of an obvious and serious risk of death to prove an
>>> offence of causing death by dangerous driving. All that is required
>>> is evidence that the driving was dangerous and that the driving
>>> caused the death of another person."
>>>
>>> http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#15
>>>
>>> Obviously not as authoritative as Duhg's man in the pub "s'obvious
>>> innit" line of reasoning, but it will have to do.
>>>
>> Yes but. It might be easier to convict but the resulting sentence
>> will almost certainly be much less than with manslaughter.
>
> Show the evidence to support that assertion.

No response Doug?

On 7 Sep, 08:52, BrianW  wrote:

> > Also the CPS
> > demonstrate the popularly held belief that cars are not as dangerous
> > as they are.
>
> No, the CPS guidance illustrates the fact that motorists can be
> convicted under the death by dangerous driving offence when, had they
> killed the person by other means, they would not be convicted of
> manslaughter. �The exact opposite of what you always contend, in
> fact. �Feel free to provide your own authority to counter that of the
> CPS.-

No answer, Doug?