Cyclists get done for using pavements but privileged motorists are
asked politely not to do it.

"Drivers who park on pavements in Derby will be left notices on their
windscreens asking them to be more considerate during a new campaign.

The crackdown has been prompted by a rise in complaints to Derby City
Council about parking on pavements.

Some residents said drivers' actions could be dangerous for disabled
people or parents with pushchairs using the pavements in the city.

The campaign will run for one month and then the results will be
reviewed.

City Councillor Lucy Care, cabinet member for planning and
transportation, said: "If people do park on the pavement less, it will
benefit all pedestrians, but particularly wheelchair users and people
with pushchairs or shopping trolleys.

"I hope this can be the start of a permanent change in driver
behaviour."

This latest campaign follows one last December which asked drivers
without a blue badge not to park in disabled spaces and for all
motorists to keep dropped kerbs and junctions free from obstructions."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7591736.stm

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
One man's car is another man's nuisance.

On Sep 1, 5:33 pm, Doug  wrote:
> Cyclists get done for using pavements

would you say that's true of the majority of cyclists?

Fod

On 1 Sep, 17:38, Fod  wrote:
> On Sep 1, 5:33 pm, Doug  wrote:
>
> > Cyclists get done for using pavements
>
> would you say that's true of the majority of cyclists?
>

No, I think that you'll find that only a minority of cyclists ride on
the pavement.

Squashme wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 17:38, Fod  wrote:
>> On Sep 1, 5:33 pm, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>> Cyclists get done for using pavements
>>
>> would you say that's true of the majority of cyclists?
>>
>
> No, I think that you'll find that only a minority of cyclists ride on
> the pavement.

Do a majority of those who cycle on the pavment get prosecuted for so doing?

Doug  wrote:

> Cyclists get done for using pavements

Liar!

Doug wrote:
> Cyclists get done for using pavements but privileged motorists are
> asked politely not to do it.
> 
> "Drivers who park on pavements in Derby will be left notices on their
> windscreens asking them to be more considerate during a new campaign.

Not very hardcore, people who do it round here are getting tickets.

-- 
Abo

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:f8ba4b9e-2d1c-4ea6-8e18-7ae84468ace5@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> Cyclists get done for using pavements but privileged motorists are
> asked politely not to do it.
>
> "Drivers who park on pavements in Derby will be left notices on their
> windscreens asking them to be more considerate during a new campaign....

The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal. 
The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle. In 
the absence of any waiting restrictions, parking on the pavement is not, 
except in London. However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on 
the pavement, while motorists usually only do so for long enough to park or 
unpark, the odds are in favour of the cyclists being caught. While it might 
appear that being parked on the pavement is evidence that a car must have 
been driven there, it is not considered to be sufficient proof to secure a 
prosecution. The car, might, for example, have been lifted into position, as 
happened to a Mini many years ago, when I was a student, although, in that 
case, the large tree either end would have made it impossible to drive into 
that position.

Colin Bignell.

Doug wrote:
> Cyclists get done for using pavements but privileged motorists are
> asked politely not to do it.
> 
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7591736.stm
> 

You may be right but please cite your evidence.

> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> www.zing.icom43.net
> One man's car is another man's nuisance.


-- 
Tony the Dragon

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100, nightjar wrote
(in article ):

> 
> "Doug"  wrote in message 
> news:f8ba4b9e-2d1c-4ea6-8e18-7ae84468ace5@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>> Cyclists get done for using pavements but privileged motorists are
>> asked politely not to do it.
>> 
>> "Drivers who park on pavements in Derby will be left notices on their
>> windscreens asking them to be more considerate during a new campaign....
> 
> The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal. 
> The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle. In 
> the absence of any waiting restrictions, parking on the pavement is not, 
> except in London. However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on 
> the pavement, while motorists usually only do so for long enough to park or 
> unpark, the odds are in favour of the cyclists being caught. While it might 
> appear that being parked on the pavement is evidence that a car must have 
> been driven there, it is not considered to be sufficient proof to secure a 
> prosecution. The car, might, for example, have been lifted into position, as 
> happened to a Mini many years ago, when I was a student, although, in that 
> case, the large tree either end would have made it impossible to drive into 
> that position.
> 
> Colin Bignell. 
> 
> 

Much to my later shame we stood a fiat 500 almost vertically on it's rear 
bumper leaning against a tree in Milano. I suppose it's a rite of passage 
thing with students.

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar"
<cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-

>The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal. 
>The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.

It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?

>However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on the pavement,

Do they? Perhaps you mean some cyclists?


-- 
  David Hansen, Edinburgh 
 I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On 1 Sep, 19:37, David Hansen  wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 퍝 someone who may be "nightjar"
> <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-
>
> >The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal.
> >The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.
>
> It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?
>
> >However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on the pavement,
>
> Do they? Perhaps you mean some cyclists?
>
> --
>   David Hansen, Edinburgh
>  I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
>  http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

 most cyclists

"David Hansen"  wrote in message 
news:5gdob4tsedf6diraad1kvf5teace47ntd1@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar"
> <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-
>
>>The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is 
>>illegal.
>>The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.
>
> It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?

They are not wheeled vehicles, within the meaning of the law.

>
>>However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on the pavement,
>
> Do they? Perhaps you mean some cyclists?

I don't have the data to know whether it is some, most, all, or a few, so 
no, I don't mean some cyclists. I mean that the ones I see riding on the 
pavement often do so for prolonged periods. However, I rarely see any in 
town who are not riding 'on that part of the highway set aside for the use 
of pedestrians', which description covers most of the local town centre.

Colin Bignell

David Hansen  wrote:

> 
> >However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on the pavement,
> 
> Do they? 

Yes. Cyclists, plural. More than one up to and including all cyclists,
but not necessarily all. Indeed the probabilty that cyclists means "all
cyclists" is equal to the probability that cyclists means "two cyclists"
and is less than the probability that cyclists means "an indeterminate
number of cyclists."

> Perhaps you mean some cyclists?

Perhaps he doesn't mean or even imply all cyclists? Perhaps if one is
going to play grammatical flaming one should make sure that one has a
basis for that flame?

Just a suggestion, like.

David Hansen wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar"
> <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-
> 
>> The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal. 
>> The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.
> 
> It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?
> 
>> However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on the pavement,
> 
> Do they? Perhaps you mean some cyclists?
> 
> 

Well all I can say is I have often found cyclists cycling along the 
pavement outside my house, but I have never found a car driving along 
the same pavement.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 1 Sep, 20:47, Tony Dragon  wrote:
> David Hansen wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar"
> > <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-
>
> >> The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal.
> >> The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.
>
> > It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?
>
> >> However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on the pavement,
>
> > Do they? Perhaps you mean some cyclists?
>
> Well all I can say is I have often found cyclists cycling along the
> pavement outside my house, but I have never found a car driving along
> the same pavement.
>

How wide is your pavement?

Squashme wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 20:47, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>> David Hansen wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar"
>>> <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-
>>>> The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal.
>>>> The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.
>>> It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?
>>>> However, as cyclists often spend long periods riding on the pavement,
>>> Do they? Perhaps you mean some cyclists?
>> Well all I can say is I have often found cyclists cycling along the
>> pavement outside my house, but I have never found a car driving along
>> the same pavement.
>>
> 
> How wide is your pavement?
> 

3-4 m

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 1 Sep, 17:47, Squashme  wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 17:38, Fod  wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 5:33 pm, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > Cyclists get done for using pavements
>
> > would you say that's true of the majority of cyclists?
>
> No, I think that you'll find that only a minority of cyclists ride on
> the pavement.

Sadly the two cycle cops i passed on the way home not only jumped a
red light but then nipped onto the pavement.

I see quite a few cyclists on the pavement on my way to work but I
also see quite a few on the road ( and stopping at lights)

Fod

On 1 Sep, 20:03, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
wrote:
> "David Hansen"  wrote in message
>
> news:5gdob4tsedf6diraad1kvf5teace47ntd1@4ax.com...
>
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar"
> > <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-
>
> >>The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is
> >>illegal.
> >>The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.
>
> > It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?
>
> They are not wheeled vehicles, within the meaning of the law.
>
What about 4mph electric mobility buggies?

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>> >>The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is
>> >>illegal.
>> >>The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled
>> >>vehicle.

>> > It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?

>> They are not wheeled vehicles, within the meaning of the law.

> What about 4mph electric mobility buggies?

There is a specific legal exclusion.

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:4ea7a0ce-25c7-4fa4-ae46-2d8b51ab8964@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 1 Sep, 20:03, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
> wrote:
>> "David Hansen"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:5gdob4tsedf6diraad1kvf5teace47ntd1@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:47:43 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar"
>> > <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk> wrote this:-
>>
>> >>The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is
>> >>illegal.
>> >>The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.
>>
>> > It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?
>>
>> They are not wheeled vehicles, within the meaning of the law.
>>
> What about 4mph electric mobility buggies?

The Use of Invalid Carriages on Highways Regulations 1988 (or 1970 if they 
were made before 30th January 1989) apply and permit their use on the 
footway, subject to limitations.

Colin Bignell

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:34:24 +0100, Adrian wrote
(in article ):

> Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
> 
>>>>> The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is
>>>>> illegal.
>>>>> The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled
>>>>> vehicle.
> 
>>>> It is illegal to operate a pram or wheelchair along the pavement?
> 
>>> They are not wheeled vehicles, within the meaning of the law.
> 
>> What about 4mph electric mobility buggies?
> 
> There is a specific legal exclusion.

And skateboards, roller skates, inline skates, wheelie plimsoles the kids 
have now (don't know the name)?

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

In article <f8ba4b9e-2d1c-4ea6-8e18-7ae84468ace5@
2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
> Cyclists get done for using pavements but privileged motorists are
> asked politely not to do it.
> 
> "Drivers who park on pavements in Derby will be left notices on their
> windscreens asking them to be more considerate during a new campaign.
> 
World of difference between parking on a pavement and travelling down 
it on a bicycle at more than walking speed.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

nightjar <cpb@ wrote:
> 
>  I mean that the ones I see riding on the 
> pavement often do so for prolonged periods. However, I rarely see any in 
> town who are not riding 'on that part of the highway set aside for the use 
> of pedestrians', which description covers most of the local town centre.

  If you mean that most of the local town centre is a pedestrianised 
area, then the 1835 Act does not apply, since that specifically covers 
'footpaths' 'by the side of a road'. The RTRA would be appropriate 
(assuming there is a Traffic Order prohibiting almost all vehicles)

nightjar <cpb@ wrote:
> 
> The law is the same for both. Driving or riding on the pavement is illegal. 
> The legislation dates back to 1835 and applies to any wheeled vehicle.

  The 1835 legislation only applied to vehicles which were 'carriages'. 
In 1888 it was extended to cover 'bicycles, tricycles, velocipedes and 
other similar machines'. A pram, for example, is dissimilar.

Doug  wrote:

> What about 4mph electric mobility buggies?

What about them? If you are going to pose here as an expert on highway
legislation then it is incumbent upon you to do some homework before
blathering about matters that you appear to know nothing about. At the
very least it will make you look less dumb than at present and it would
be a pleasant surprise to think that you had managed to research
something before pontificating about it.

Conor  wrote:

> World of difference between parking on a pavement and travelling down
> it on a bicycle at more than walking speed.

Not in DuhgHansen World.

Doug wrote:

> Cyclists get done for using pavements but privileged motorists are
> asked politely not to do it.
> 
> "Drivers who park on pavements in Derby will be left notices on their
> windscreens asking them to be more considerate during a new campaign.
> 
> The crackdown has been prompted by a rise in complaints to Derby City
> Council about parking on pavements.
> 
> Some residents said drivers' actions could be dangerous for disabled
> people or parents with pushchairs using the pavements in the city.
> 
> The campaign will run for one month and then the results will be
> reviewed.
> 
> City Councillor Lucy Care, cabinet member for planning and
> transportation, said: "If people do park on the pavement less, it will
> benefit all pedestrians, but particularly wheelchair users and people
> with pushchairs or shopping trolleys.
> 
> "I hope this can be the start of a permanent change in driver
> behaviour."
> 
> This latest campaign follows one last December which asked drivers
> without a blue badge not to park in disabled spaces and for all
> motorists to keep dropped kerbs and junctions free from obstructions."
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7591736.stm

Do you happen to know whether it is illegal to park on the footway in Derby?

It might not be (for all I know about the place), and the report only makes 
sense if it is not illegal.