Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.

"The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
costs soar ahead of inflation.

The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.

Franchise dealers are charging an average of £94.70 an hour for work
on vehicles compared with £87.91 in 2006 - a rise of 7.7 per cent.

The average rate for a mechanic at an independent garage has risen
14.9 per cent over the same period - from £48.43 to £55.63.

Greater London is the most expensive region at £94.26 an hour.

This compares with £68.70 for Edinburgh, £78.81 on Merseyside and
£78.01 for Cornwall.

The survey, commissioned by Warranty Direct, analysed labour rates at
nearly 2,000 garages to highlight price differences.

Duncan McClure Fisher, Warranty Direct managing director, said: 'This
is not great news for motorists who are already feeling the pinch at
the pumps.

'Car sales are falling, used car residuals are falling, and people are
putting off that annual service.

'As economic conditions worsen, prices could rise further to
compensate.'..."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1051170/The-cost-fixing-car-reaches-high-200-hour-labour-charges-roof.html

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The car, more of a liability than a convenience".

"Doug"  wrote

Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.

"The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
costs soar ahead of inflation.





I just had my Rover 825 serviced, the price including oil, all filters, a 
repair to a vacuum pipe and and six spark plugs was £186.

So you are talking bollocks yet again. Still, never mind, eh? At least I can 
still get to work, which means you can still eat.



-- 
Regards, Vince.

Harry Monk's Long Distance Diary   Luton-Huelva

http://trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34657 (New 9th August 2008)

Doug wrote:
  About a survey commissioned by 'Warranty Direct' I wonder if they are 
biased?



-- 
Tony the Dragon

"Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
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> Doug wrote:
>  About a survey commissioned by 'Warranty Direct' I wonder if they are 
> biased?

And notice they dont actually state who's charging £200 an hour. Aston 
Martin, Ferrari, Bentley?

"Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
news:a5CdnU3NNbkoDSbVnZ2dnUVZ8j6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Doug wrote:
>  About a survey commissioned by 'Warranty Direct' I wonder if they are 
> biased?

Are you possibly suggesting that Doug hasn't taken a step back and 
considered the ulterior motive of whoever released this story to the press? 
I am shocked.

Well, actually, I'm not surprised at all. As I have stated many times 
before, journalists are lazy, and will regurgitate any old press release as 
long as it contains a survey or unverifyable statistics that have "shock" 
value, even though the basis of those statistics will be dodgy at the very 
best. And people like Doug are also lazy in that they will fall for it hook, 
line and sinker without exercising their brain at all in applying a bit of 
cynicism and common sense to the story, or trying to analyse the claims that 
are made.

Doug wrote:
> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
>
Yet another car thread from the one person who doesn't start car threads.

On 1 Sep, 07:08, Doug  wrote:
> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
>
> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.

Uhuh.  I pay £30 per hour at my local garage.  If anyone pays £200 per
hour, they must either i) have some flashy car like an Aston Martin or
Ferrari; or ii) have more money than sense.

BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
>> costs soar ahead of inflation.
>>
>> The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.

> Uhuh.  I pay £30 per hour at my local garage.

Plus VAT, of course. So just over £35 out of your pocket.

> If anyone pays £200 per hour, they must either i) have some flashy car 
> like an Aston Martin or Ferrari; or ii) have more money than sense.

Including VAT, I can easily believe £200/hr (£175 before VAT) for 
anything even vaguely specialist or "premium", especially from a 
franchised dealer. £50+vat is common round us for small village garages, 
and I'd be surprised if even mainstream brand franchises weren't 
approaching £100+vat. And this isn't even central London.

On 1 Sep, 09:41, Adrian  wrote:
> BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
> >> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> >> costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> >> The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.
> > Uhuh.  I pay £30 per hour at my local garage.
>
> Plus VAT, of course. So just over £35 out of your pocket.
>
> > If anyone pays £200 per hour, they must either i) have some flashy car
> > like an Aston Martin or Ferrari; or ii) have more money than sense.
>
> Including VAT, I can easily believe £200/hr (£175 before VAT) for
> anything even vaguely specialist or "premium", especially from a
> franchised dealer. £50붫 is common round us for small village garages> and I'd be surprised if even mainstream brand franchises weren't
> approaching £100붫. And this isn't even central London.

Agreed.  However, "car servicing costs £200 per hour" will now become
a GollumMantra, to be repeated ad nauseum.

BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> > If anyone pays £200 per hour, they must either i) have some flashy
>> > car like an Aston Martin or Ferrari; or ii) have more money than
>> > sense.

>> Including VAT, I can easily believe £200/hr (£175 before VAT) for
>> anything even vaguely specialist or "premium", especially from a
>> franchised dealer. £50+vat is common round us for small village
>> garages, and I'd be surprised if even mainstream brand franchises
>> weren't approaching £100+vat. And this isn't even central London.

> Agreed.  However, "car servicing costs £200 per hour" will now become a
> GollumMantra, to be repeated ad nauseum.

OK, but you did kinda disagree with it a minute ago - unless, of course, 
you're counting anybody with a BMW/Merc/Audi/Jag/Lexus and using a 
central London dealer as "more money than sense" - because they'll be 
approaching £200/hr if you include VAT, I'm sure.

On Sep 1, 10:32 am, Adrian  wrote:
> BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
> >> > If anyone pays £200 per hour, they must either i) have some flashy
> >> > car like an Aston Martin or Ferrari; or ii) have more money than
> >> > sense.
> >> Including VAT, I can easily believe £200/hr (£175 before VAT) for
> >> anything even vaguely specialist or "premium", especially from a
> >> franchised dealer. £50붫 is common round us for small village
> >> garages, and I'd be surprised if even mainstream brand franchises
> >> weren't approaching £100붫. And this isn't even central London.
> > Agreed.  However, "car servicing costs £200 per hour" will now become a
> > GollumMantra, to be repeated ad nauseum.
>
> OK, but you did kinda disagree with it a minute ago - unless, of course,
> you're counting anybody with a BMW/Merc/Audi/Jag/Lexus and using a
> central London dealer as "more money than sense" - because they'll be
> approaching £200/hr if you include VAT, I'm sure.

if they live in London doesn't that imply they have no sense?

Fod

Fod  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> OK, but you did kinda disagree with it a minute ago - unless, of
>> course, you're counting anybody with a BMW/Merc/Audi/Jag/Lexus and
>> using a central London dealer as "more money than sense" - because
>> they'll be approaching £200/hr if you include VAT, I'm sure.

> if they live in London doesn't that imply they have no sense?

<g>

On Sep 1, 7:51 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 07:26, "Knight Of The Road" 
> wrote:> "Doug"  wrote
>
> > Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> > leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.
>
> > "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> > costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> > I just had my Rover 825 serviced, the price including oil, all filters, a
> > repair to a vacuum pipe and and six spark plugs was £186.
>
> > So you are talking bollocks yet again. Still, never mind, eh? At least I can
> > still get to work, which means you can still eat.
>
> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> feed me. Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>

So its not ok to be dependent on Vince.
But it is ok to be dependent on a bunch of people exactly like Vince.

What is it about Vince delivering your rain forest destroying soya
that upsets you so much?
Is it just because you failed to produce that report you claimed you'd
write for him and seeing him delivery your food would stop it tasting
so nice?

Fod

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:505a5e5e-b188-4515-9ebd-5220ba705cc0@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.

or go to a cheaper dealer

-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

On 1 Sep, 10:32, Adrian  wrote:
> BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
> >> > If anyone pays £200 per hour, they must either i) have some flashy
> >> > car like an Aston Martin or Ferrari; or ii) have more money than
> >> > sense.
> >> Including VAT, I can easily believe £200/hr (£175 before VAT) for
> >> anything even vaguely specialist or "premium", especially from a
> >> franchised dealer. £50붫 is common round us for small village
> >> garages, and I'd be surprised if even mainstream brand franchises
> >> weren't approaching £100붫. And this isn't even central London.
> > Agreed.  However, "car servicing costs £200 per hour" will now become a
> > GollumMantra, to be repeated ad nauseum.
>
> OK, but you did kinda disagree with it a minute ago - unless, of course,
> you're counting anybody with a BMW/Merc/Audi/Jag/Lexus and using a
> central London dealer as "more money than sense" - because they'll be
> approaching £200/hr if you include VAT, I'm sure.

I would include the latter in the "more money than sense" category, as
there are cheaper alternatives to going to the franchised dealer.  Our
local Volkswagen franchise charges three times as much per hour as my
local garage, for example.

BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> OK, but you did kinda disagree with it a minute ago - unless, of
>> course, you're counting anybody with a BMW/Merc/Audi/Jag/Lexus and
>> using a central London dealer as "more money than sense" - because
>> they'll be approaching £200/hr if you include VAT, I'm sure.

> I would include the latter in the "more money than sense" category, as
> there are cheaper alternatives to going to the franchised dealer.  Our
> local Volkswagen franchise charges three times as much per hour as my
> local garage, for example.

Sure, but whilst EU block exemption rules do allow for non-franchised 
dealers to be used whilst still inside warranty, it can still make life 
difficult when it comes to any warranty claim - so there's a very strong 
argument in favour of using a franchised dealer on a new or near-new car, 
especially if it's something where there can be a significant effect on 
the used selling price between a non-franchise and franchise service 
history.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:08:40 +0100, Doug wrote
(in article 
):

> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
> 
> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> costs soar ahead of inflation.
> 
> The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.
> 
> Franchise dealers are charging an average of £94.70 an hour for work
> on vehicles compared with £87.91 in 2006 - a rise of 7.7 per cent.
> 
> The average rate for a mechanic at an independent garage has risen
> 14.9 per cent over the same period - from £48.43 to £55.63.
> 
> Greater London is the most expensive region at £94.26 an hour.
> 
> This compares with £68.70 for Edinburgh, £78.81 on Merseyside and
> £78.01 for Cornwall.
> 
> The survey, commissioned by Warranty Direct, analysed labour rates at
> nearly 2,000 garages to highlight price differences.
> 
> Duncan McClure Fisher, Warranty Direct managing director, said: 'This
> is not great news for motorists who are already feeling the pinch at
> the pumps.
> 
> 'Car sales are falling, used car residuals are falling, and people are
> putting off that annual service.
> 
> 'As economic conditions worsen, prices could rise further to
> compensate.'..."
> 
> 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1051170/The-cost-fixing-car-reaches-
hi
> gh-200-hour-labour-charges-roof.html
> 
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> www.zing.icom43.net
> "The car, more of a liability than a convenience".
> 

A shock horrer survey carried out by an insurance company with a vested 
interest in scaring twats like you into taking one of their policies. They 
should be done under 'unfair trading laws.

Still they hooked you, you gullable idiot.

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On 1 Sep, 11:29, Adrian  wrote:
> BrianW  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
> >> OK, but you did kinda disagree with it a minute ago - unless, of
> >> course, you're counting anybody with a BMW/Merc/Audi/Jag/Lexus and
> >> using a central London dealer as "more money than sense" - because
> >> they'll be approaching £200/hr if you include VAT, I'm sure.
> > I would include the latter in the "more money than sense" category, as
> > there are cheaper alternatives to going to the franchised dealer.  Our
> > local Volkswagen franchise charges three times as much per hour as my
> > local garage, for example.
>
> Sure, but whilst EU block exemption rules do allow for non-franchised
> dealers to be used whilst still inside warranty, it can still make life
> difficult when it comes to any warranty claim - so there's a very strong
> argument in favour of using a franchised dealer on a new or near-new car,
> especially if it's something where there can be a significant effect on
> the used selling price between a non-franchise and franchise service
> history.

Fair point.  As I have never bought a car that is still within
warranty, this has never been an issue that concerns me.

On 1 Sep, 11:33, nik.morgan  wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:08:40 퍝, Doug wrote
> (in article
> ):
>
>
>
>
>
> > Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> > leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
> > now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
> > themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
>
> > "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> > costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> > The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.
>
> > Franchise dealers are charging an average of £94.70 an hour for work
> > on vehicles compared with £87.91 in 2006 - a rise of 7.7 per cent.
>
> > The average rate for a mechanic at an independent garage has risen
> > 14.9 per cent over the same period - from £48.43 to £55.63.
>
> > Greater London is the most expensive region at £94.26 an hour.
>
> > This compares with £68.70 for Edinburgh, £78.81 on Merseyside and
> > £78.01 for Cornwall.
>
> > The survey, commissioned by Warranty Direct, analysed labour rates at
> > nearly 2,000 garages to highlight price differences.
>
> > Duncan McClure Fisher, Warranty Direct managing director, said: 'This
> > is not great news for motorists who are already feeling the pinch at
> > the pumps.
>
> > 'Car sales are falling, used car residuals are falling, and people are
> > putting off that annual service.
>
> > 'As economic conditions worsen, prices could rise further to
> > compensate.'..."
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1051170/The-cost-fixing-car-r...
> hi
>
> > gh-200-hour-labour-charges-roof.html
>
> > --
> > UK Radical Campaigns
> >www.zing.icom43.net
> > "The car, more of a liability than a convenience".
>
> A shock horrer survey carried out by an insurance company with a vested
> interest in scaring twats like you into taking one of their policies. They
> should be done under 'unfair trading laws.
>
> Still they hooked you, you gullable idiot.

Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide with
one of his pathetic little prejudices.  Remember his glee when he
found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
ozones" hypothesis?  Of course, the article in question was aimed at
children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
evidently not by enough for Gollum.

On 1 Sep, 07:51, Doug  wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 07:26, "Knight Of The Road" 
> wrote:> "Doug"  wrote
>
> > Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> > leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.
>
> > "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> > costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> > I just had my Rover 825 serviced, the price including oil, all filters, a
> > repair to a vacuum pipe and and six spark plugs was £186.
>
> > So you are talking bollocks yet again. Still, never mind, eh? At least I can
> > still get to work, which means you can still eat.
>
> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> feed me. Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.

Yes, Gollum, I bet there are *loads* of truck drivers who think to
themselves "Oh, I've got a 1,000 mile trip ahead of me, I'll just take
the bicycle to the truck rather than drive that extra 5 miles".

Still, in your "anarchist" paradise all the jolly truck drivers will
voluntarily load their stuff into a handcart and walk to their trucks,
won't they?

BrianW wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 07:51, Doug  wrote:
>> On 1 Sep, 07:26, "Knight Of The Road" 
>> wrote:> "Doug"  wrote
>>
>>> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
>>> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.
>>
>>> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as
>>> labour
>>> costs soar ahead of inflation.
>>
>>> I just had my Rover 825 serviced, the price including oil, all
>>> filters, a repair to a vacuum pipe and and six spark plugs was £186.
>>
>>> So you are talking bollocks yet again. Still, never mind, eh? At
>>> least I can still get to work, which means you can still eat.
>>
>> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
>> feed me. Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
>> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>
> Yes, Gollum, I bet there are *loads* of truck drivers who think to
> themselves "Oh, I've got a 1,000 mile trip ahead of me, I'll just take
> the bicycle to the truck rather than drive that extra 5 miles".
>
> Still, in your "anarchist" paradise all the jolly truck drivers will
> voluntarily load their stuff into a handcart and walk to their trucks,
> won't they?

Doug still hasn't responded to the question (posed numerous times) of 
whether he would be happy to have a transport yard in his street.

On 1 Sep, 14:01, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> BrianW wrote:
> > On 1 Sep, 07:51, Doug  wrote:
> >> On 1 Sep, 07:26, "Knight Of The Road" 
> >> wrote:> "Doug"  wrote
>
> >>> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> >>> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.
>
> >>> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as
> >>> labour
> >>> costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> >>> I just had my Rover 825 serviced, the price including oil, all
> >>> filters, a repair to a vacuum pipe and and six spark plugs was £186> >>> So you are talking bollocks yet again. Still, never mind, eh? At
> >>> least I can still get to work, which means you can still eat.
>
> >> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> >> feed me. Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> >> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>
> > Yes, Gollum, I bet there are *loads* of truck drivers who think to
> > themselves "Oh, I've got a 1,000 mile trip ahead of me, I'll just take
> > the bicycle to the truck rather than drive that extra 5 miles".
>
> > Still, in your "anarchist" paradise all the jolly truck drivers will
> > voluntarily load their stuff into a handcart and walk to their trucks,
> > won't they?
>
> Doug still hasn't responded to the question (posed numerous times) of
> whether he would be happy to have a transport yard in his street.-

He would whine about it, just like he whines about everything else.
But that is because he is a <long breath> whining, lying,
hypocritical, coffin-dodging old turd.

"BrianW"  wrote in message 
news:5f8bdfa4-d994-4286-aa31-0455e00e9f60@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide with
one of his pathetic little prejudices.  Remember his glee when he
found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
ozones" hypothesis?  Of course, the article in question was aimed at
children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
evidently not by enough for Gollum.

Gullible?  BrianW is just a -ve version ofDoug - both choosing to be blind 
to any facts they disagree with  and lacking any common sense  - no winder 
Bri hates him :)

Surely If you get you car serviced in central london it's what you expect to 
pay -no one ever stated that's what everyone pays! anyway as someone said 
who got their Maser and lambo serviced in egham (Surrey  "countryside") 
said - what a bargain

Surely Doug MUST realise that we love cars and would hate to have to go on 
public transport and meet any of the dangerous nutters such as those who 
inhabit this NG who laugh and quote darwinism when someone is killed by a 
pratt driver

"Tommy"  wrote in message 
news:6i2b6iFo6ajnU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "BrianW"  wrote in message 
> news:5f8bdfa4-d994-4286-aa31-0455e00e9f60@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide with
> one of his pathetic little prejudices.  Remember his glee when he
> found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
> ozones" hypothesis?  Of course, the article in question was aimed at
> children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
> evidently not by enough for Gollum.
>
> Gullible?  BrianW is just a -ve version ofDoug - both choosing to be blind 
> to any facts they disagree with  and lacking any common sense  - no winder 
> Bri hates him :)

Hmm this bit doesn't make too much sense.

> Surely If you get you car serviced in central london it's what you expect 
> to pay -no one ever stated that's what everyone pays! anyway as someone 
> said who got their Maser and lambo serviced in egham (Surrey 
> "countryside") said - what a bargain
>
> Surely Doug MUST realise that we love cars and would hate to have to go on 
> public transport and meet any of the dangerous nutters such as those who 
> inhabit this NG who laugh and quote darwinism when someone is killed by a 
> pratt driver
SHOCK HORROR. Toomy in "post that vaguely makes sense" shocker!!

Mike P

On 1 Sep, 15:41, "Mike P"  wrote:
> "Tommy"  wrote in message
>
> news:6i2b6iFo6ajnU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > "BrianW"  wrote in message
> >news:5f8bdfa4-d994-4286-aa31-0455e00e9f60@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide with
> > one of his pathetic little prejudices.  Remember his glee when he
> > found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
> > ozones" hypothesis?  Of course, the article in question was aimed at
> > children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
> > evidently not by enough for Gollum.
>
> > Gullible?  BrianW is just a -ve version ofDoug - both choosing to be blind
> > to any facts they disagree with  and lacking any common sense  - no winder
> > Bri hates him :)
>
> Hmm this bit doesn't make too much sense.

Just as Gollum could use his ability to be "100% wrong 100% of the
time" in a profitable manner, Toomtard could use his ability to post
incoherent fuckwitted drivel in order to benefit mankind.  I am
thinking that perhaps he could be used to provide a totally secure
cryptography service.  If, for example, the message to be transmitted
was "Attack at dawn", Toomy would probably translate this as "BUT THE
you are TFL tried to fuxxin angry man".  That, of course, would be
incomprensible to all other humans, bar one.  The exception is Gollum,
who has in the past stated that he has no trouble understanding
Toomtard.  Gollum, therefore, could unscramble the messages at the
other end.

How about it, Gollum and Toomtard - you could for the first time in
your lives make yourselves useful?

On Sep 1, 3:56 pm, BrianW  wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 15:41, "Mike P"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tommy"  wrote in message
>
> >news:6i2b6iFo6ajnU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > "BrianW"  wrote in message
> > >news:5f8bdfa4-d994-4286-aa31-0455e00e9f60@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com.> > > Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide with
> > > one of his pathetic little prejudices.  Remember his glee when he
> > > found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
> > > ozones" hypothesis?  Of course, the article in question was aimed at
> > > children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
> > > evidently not by enough for Gollum.
>
> > > Gullible?  BrianW is just a -ve version ofDoug - both choosing to be blind
> > > to any facts they disagree with  and lacking any common sense  - no winder
> > > Bri hates him :)
>
> > Hmm this bit doesn't make too much sense.
>
> Just as Gollum could use his ability to be "100% wrong 100% of the
> time" in a profitable manner, Toomtard could use his ability to post
> incoherent fuckwitted drivel in order to benefit mankind.  I am
> thinking that perhaps he could be used to provide a totally secure
> cryptography service.  If, for example, the message to be transmitted
> was "Attack at dawn", Toomy would probably translate this as "BUT THE
> you are TFL tried to fuxxin angry man".  That, of course, would be
> incomprensible to all other humans, bar one.  The exception is Gollum,
> who has in the past stated that he has no trouble understanding
> Toomtard.  Gollum, therefore, could unscramble the messages at the
> other end.
>
> How about it, Gollum and Toomtard - you could for the first time in
> your lives make yourselves useful?

who should doug attack?

Fod

On 1 Sep, 17:40, Fod  wrote:
> On Sep 1, 3:56 pm, BrianW  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 1 Sep, 15:41, "Mike P"  wrote:
>
> > > "Tommy"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:6i2b6iFo6ajnU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > "BrianW"  wrote in message
> > > >news:5f8bdfa4-d994-4286-aa31-0455e00e9f60@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide with
> > > > one of his pathetic little prejudices.  Remember his glee when he
> > > > found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
> > > > ozones" hypothesis?  Of course, the article in question was aimed at
> > > > children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
> > > > evidently not by enough for Gollum.
>
> > > > Gullible?  BrianW is just a -ve version ofDoug - both choosing to be blind
> > > > to any facts they disagree with  and lacking any common sense  - no winder
> > > > Bri hates him :)
>
> > > Hmm this bit doesn't make too much sense.
>
> > Just as Gollum could use his ability to be "100% wrong 100% of the
> > time" in a profitable manner, Toomtard could use his ability to post
> > incoherent fuckwitted drivel in order to benefit mankind.  I am
> > thinking that perhaps he could be used to provide a totally secure
> > cryptography service.  If, for example, the message to be transmitted
> > was "Attack at dawn", Toomy would probably translate this as "BUT THE
> > you are TFL tried to fuxxin angry man".  That, of course, would be
> > incomprensible to all other humans, bar one.  The exception is Gollum> > who has in the past stated that he has no trouble understanding
> > Toomtard.  Gollum, therefore, could unscramble the messages at the
> > other end.
>
> > How about it, Gollum and Toomtard - you could for the first time in
> > your lives make yourselves useful?
>
> who should doug attack?

Perhaps a childrens' nursery, unconnected with animal research?
Gollum and his mates like to attack those.

Fod wrote:
> On Sep 1, 3:56 pm, BrianW  wrote:
>> On 1 Sep, 15:41, "Mike P"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Tommy"  wrote in message
>>
>>> news:6i2b6iFo6ajnU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>> "BrianW"  wrote in message
>>>> news:5f8bdfa4-d994-4286-aa31-0455e00e9f60@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>> Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide
>>>> with
>>>> one of his pathetic little prejudices. Remember his glee when he
>>>> found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
>>>> ozones" hypothesis? Of course, the article in question was aimed at
>>>> children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
>>>> evidently not by enough for Gollum.
>>
>>>> Gullible? BrianW is just a -ve version ofDoug - both choosing to
>>>> be blind to any facts they disagree with and lacking any common
>>>> sense - no winder Bri hates him :)
>>
>>> Hmm this bit doesn't make too much sense.
>>
>> Just as Gollum could use his ability to be "100% wrong 100% of the
>> time" in a profitable manner, Toomtard could use his ability to post
>> incoherent fuckwitted drivel in order to benefit mankind. I am
>> thinking that perhaps he could be used to provide a totally secure
>> cryptography service. If, for example, the message to be transmitted
>> was "Attack at dawn", Toomy would probably translate this as "BUT THE
>> you are TFL tried to fuxxin angry man". That, of course, would be
>> incomprensible to all other humans, bar one. The exception is Gollum,
>> who has in the past stated that he has no trouble understanding
>> Toomtard. Gollum, therefore, could unscramble the messages at the
>> other end.
>>
>> How about it, Gollum and Toomtard - you could for the first time in
>> your lives make yourselves useful?
>
> who should doug attack?
>
The same people as usual, anyone and everyone.

"Doug"  wrote



It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
feed me.


Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?


 Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.


I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to 
work?




-- 
Regards, Vince.

Harry Monk's Long Distance Diary   Luton-Huelva

http://trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34657 (New 9th August 2008)

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 +0100, Knight Of The Road wrote
(in article ):

> 
> 
> "Doug"  wrote
> 
> 
> 
> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> feed me.
> 
> 
> Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
> 
> 
>  Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
> 
> 
> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to 
> work?
> 

Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot own 
scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple of RCD's 
I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers there also own cars 
though there is some car pooling and minibusses for the migrant workers.  
There are certainly no bus services or trains and these places work 24/7 with 
shift patterns across all hours. no car (or own transport) equals no work. 

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
news:iNudnbML_40HsSHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
> "Doug"  wrote
>
>
>
> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> feed me.
>
>
> Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
>
>
> Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>
>
> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to 
> work?

I think a simple report could solve that problem   ;o)

"Gizmo."  wrote>


 I think a simple report could solve that problem   ;o)
>





If only there was someone on this newsgroup prepared to offer to produce 
such a report......



-- 
Regards, Vince.

Harry Monk's Long Distance Diary   Luton-Huelva

http://trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34657 (New 9th August 2008)

Knight Of The Road wrote:
> "Gizmo."  wrote>
> 
> 
>  I think a simple report could solve that problem   ;o)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If only there was someone on this newsgroup prepared to offer to produce 
> such a report......
> 
> 
> 

I do believe that one is being prepared, it is obviously complicated as 
it is taking some time.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 1 Sep, 10:55, Fod  wrote:
> On Sep 1, 7:51 am, Doug  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 1 Sep, 07:26, "Knight Of The Road" 
> > wrote:> "Doug"  wrote
>
> > > Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> > > leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.
>
> > > "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> > > costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> > > I just had my Rover 825 serviced, the price including oil, all filters, a
> > > repair to a vacuum pipe and and six spark plugs was £186.
>
> > > So you are talking bollocks yet again. Still, never mind, eh? At least I can
> > > still get to work, which means you can still eat.
>
> > It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> > feed me. Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> > food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>
> So its not ok to be dependent on Vince.
> But it is ok to be dependent on a bunch of people exactly like Vince.
>
> What is it about Vince delivering your rain forest destroying soya
> that upsets you so much?
> Is it just because you failed to produce that report you claimed you'd
> write for him and seeing him delivery your food would stop it tasting
> so nice?
>
Your point, since you also rely on HGV drivers for your food? BTW, the
animals you exploit to eat are also fed soya.

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On 1 Sep, 19:23, nik.morgan  wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 퍝, Knight Of The Road wrote
> (in article ):
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Doug"  wrote
>
> > It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> > feed me.
>
> > Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
>
> >  Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> > food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>
> > I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to
> > work?
>
> Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot own
> scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple of RCD's
> I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers there also own cars
> though there is some car pooling and minibusses for the migrant workers.  
> There are certainly no bus services or trains and these places work 24/7 with
> shift patterns across all hours. no car (or own transport) equals no workI doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
their place of work within walking or cycling distance.

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:21:22 +0100, "Gizmo."
 wrote:

>
>"Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
>news:a5CdnU3NNbkoDSbVnZ2dnUVZ8j6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Doug wrote:
>>  About a survey commissioned by 'Warranty Direct' I wonder if they are 
>> biased?
>
>And notice they dont actually state who's charging £200 an hour. Aston 
>Martin, Ferrari, Bentley? 

I drove of the forecourt of the Citroen franchise in Derby some years
ago to hear on the radio that the most expensive was Park Lane
Mercedes (now Mayfair Maybach) but I'd just paid £5/h more for a ball
joint to be done. The stupid impact spanner needed to do the job cost
£50 more.
-- 
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Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header
Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!

Doug  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> Your point, since you also rely on HGV drivers for your food? 

<sigh>
You still don't understand this "hypocrisy" lark, do you?

> BTW, the animals you exploit to eat are also fed soya.

The ones I prefer to eat most certainly are not.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
wrote:


>I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
>seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
>their place of work within walking or cycling distance.

Not so.

Though I doubt it's EVER practical to rely on cycling to work for a
4-00am start.

Derek

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:20:59 +0100, Peter Hill
 wrote:

>On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:21:22 +0100, "Gizmo."
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
>>news:a5CdnU3NNbkoDSbVnZ2dnUVZ8j6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>  About a survey commissioned by 'Warranty Direct' I wonder if they are 
>>> biased?
>>
>>And notice they dont actually state who's charging £200 an hour. Aston 
>>Martin, Ferrari, Bentley? 
>
>I drove of the forecourt of the Citroen franchise in Derby some years
>ago to hear on the radio that the most expensive was Park Lane
>Mercedes (now Mayfair Maybach) but I'd just paid £5/h more for a ball
>joint to be done. The stupid impact spanner needed to do the job cost
>£50 more.

In our local FIAT dealers the most expensive car to service by a fair
old margin was the FIAT 600 bis. (*The* cheapest car on the road).

Way ahead of the Alfa -Sud for instance.

Derek.

Tony Dragon wrote:
> Knight Of The Road wrote:
>> "Gizmo."  wrote>
>>
>>
>>  I think a simple report could solve that problem   ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If only there was someone on this newsgroup prepared to offer to
>> produce such a report......
>>
>>
>>
>
> I do believe that one is being prepared, it is obviously complicated
> as it is taking some time.

The person gathering the data and compiling this report must be one of the 
most diligent workers there is,the report is only ten months overdue.

But on the other hand ...

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:12:30 +0100, Doug wrote
(in article 
):

> On 1 Sep, 19:23, nik.morgan  wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 +0100, Knight Of The Road wrote
>> (in article ):
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> "Doug"  wrote
>> 
>>> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
>>> feed me.
>> 
>>> Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
>> 
>>>  Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
>>> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>> 
>>> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to
>>> work?
>> 
>> Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot own
>> scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple of RCD's
>> I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers there also own cars
>> though there is some car pooling and minibusses for the migrant workers.  
>> There are certainly no bus services or trains and these places work 24/7 
>> with
>> shift patterns across all hours. no car (or own transport) equals no work.
>> 
> I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
> seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
> their place of work within walking or cycling distance.
> 

I think in the vast majority of cases that's true, most depots etc are sited 
away from population centres, usually a planning department decision  driven 
by nimbyism .  Walking or cycling is not really a viable option over those 
sort of distances carrying all that is needed.

The price of nimbyism is more cars on the road and trucks having to make huge 
polluting expensive detours.

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On 2 Sep, 07:12, Doug  wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 19:23, nik.morgan  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 퍝, Knight Of The Road wrote
> > (in article ):
>
> > > "Doug"  wrote
>
> > > It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> > > feed me.
>
> > > Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
>
> > >  Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> > > food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>
> > > I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to
> > > work?
>
> > Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot own
> > scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple of RCD's
> > I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers there also own cars
> > though there is some car pooling and minibusses for the migrant workers.  
> > There are certainly no bus services or trains and these places work 24/7 with
> > shift patterns across all hours. no car (or own transport) equals no work.
>
> I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
> seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
> their place of work within walking or cycling distance.

Right, so you rely on the hope that the particular people who deliver
the food you buy from Tesco don't drive to their HGV depot.  Jesus,
Gollum, your retardedness just grows and grows.

In article <505a5e5e-b188-4515-9ebd-5220ba705cc0
@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
> 
> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> costs soar ahead of inflation.
> 
> The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.
> 
£35-£40 an hour around here. I found it a hilariously bad article.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article <63ed8824-7009-4082-bf56-465f8a53e3c4@
59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...

> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> feed me. 

But you do, Doug...

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Knight Of The 
Road says...

> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. 

I have.

> How would he get to work?
> 
He's a sad old twat with no friends or family who lives in a portacabin 
in the transport yard.

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article <b8acd4f0-f583-4e32-9ce7-
7cc3859aa67a@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...

> I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
> seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
> their place of work within walking or cycling distance.
> 
Most don't. 


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Derek says...
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> >I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
> >seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
> >their place of work within walking or cycling distance.
> 
> Not so.
> 
> Though I doubt it's EVER practical to rely on cycling to work for a
> 4-00am start.
> 
..Especially with the amount of gear we need to take.

I take at the very minimum:
Hi-Viz 3/4 length coat
Hi-Viz vest
Hard Hat
Gloves
Satnav
UK Truckers road atlas 
Clipboard/Folder with paperwork
Enough food and drink for a 12-15hr shift.

..which all has to be taken out of the cab daily.

Sometimes you can add enough clothing, bedding and personal hygene 
stuff to live out for a week.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Doug wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 19:23, nik.morgan  wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 +0100, Knight Of The Road wrote
>> (in article ):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Doug"  wrote
>>
>>> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
>>> feed me.
>>
>>> Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
>>
>>> Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
>>> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>>
>>> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he
>>> get to work?
>>
>> Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot
>> own scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple
>> of RCD's I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers
>> there also own cars though there is some car pooling and minibusses
>> for the migrant workers. There are certainly no bus services or
>> trains and these places work 24/7 with shift patterns across all
>> hours. no car (or own transport) equals no work.
>>
> I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
> seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
> their place of work within walking or cycling distance.

Very few people live near their place of work, thanks to NIMBYs like you.

On 1 Sep, 07:08, Doug  wrote:
> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.

Come to think of it, I don't think this is a new problem.  For
example, imagine the following, which might have taken place a few
years ago.  Someone drives a ratty old Land Rover.  When it breaks
down, he is unable to fix it himself, and cannot afford to get it
repaired professionally.  Accordingly, he just abandons it by the side
of the road in Cornwall.

Does anyone here know anybody who fits the above description?

BrianW wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 07:08, Doug  wrote:
>> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
>> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
>> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
>> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
>
> Come to think of it, I don't think this is a new problem.  For
> example, imagine the following, which might have taken place a few
> years ago.  Someone drives a ratty old Land Rover.  When it breaks
> down, he is unable to fix it himself, and cannot afford to get it
> repaired professionally.  Accordingly, he just abandons it by the side
> of the road in Cornwall.
>
> Does anyone here know anybody who fits the above description?

There's no one here who would behave with such complete and utter contempt 
for the environment or for other people.

Is there?

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:26:41 +0100, Conor wrote
(in article ):

> In article <505a5e5e-b188-4515-9ebd-5220ba705cc0
> @r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
>> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
>> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
>> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
>> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
>> 
>> "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
>> costs soar ahead of inflation.
>> 
>> The average cost of labour at a garage is now £75.17 an hour.
>> 
> £35-£40 an hour around here. I found it a hilariously bad article.
> 
> 
> 

28.50+ vat here in darkest Cornwall, small independent family owned garage 
with good local reputation. 

I was speaking to one of the fitters a few moments ago about this very 
thread. he says one of their customers brings his Audi down from London for 
it's servicing, the difference in  cost  over London covers all his fuel and 
travel expenses,  a free weekend in Cornwall

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Sep 2, 7:07 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 10:55, Fod  wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 7:51 am, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > On 1 Sep, 07:26, "Knight Of The Road" 
> > > wrote:> "Doug"  wrote
>
> > > > Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
> > > > leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them.
>
> > > > "The cost of servicing a car can be as high as £200 an hour as labour
> > > > costs soar ahead of inflation.
>
> > > > I just had my Rover 825 serviced, the price including oil, all filters, a
> > > > repair to a vacuum pipe and and six spark plugs was £186.
>
> > > > So you are talking bollocks yet again. Still, never mind, eh? At least I can
> > > > still get to work, which means you can still eat.
>
> > > It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> > > feed me. Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> > > food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>
> > So its not ok to be dependent on Vince.
> > But it is ok to be dependent on a bunch of people exactly like Vince.
>
> > What is it about Vince delivering your rain forest destroying soya
> > that upsets you so much?
> > Is it just because you failed to produce that report you claimed you'd
> > write for him and seeing him delivery your food would stop it tasting
> > so nice?
>
> Your point, since you also rely on HGV drivers for your food?

My point is that your a hypocrite.  My other point is that you don't
understand why you are one.  Both points have been proven over and
over again.  Feel free to give us a laugh by doing so yet again.


>  BTW, the
> animals you exploit to eat are also fed soya.

How do you know which animals I eat Doug?  Last time you moaned about
animal feed you moaned that they were being fed corn...

Fod

well done Fod,

Put the correct phrase as I originally posted into a search engine and 
you'll see it was directly from a news feed  (but thnxxxxxxxx anyway)

Never mind - keep repeating the lie and you might even believe the crap you 
post here - :)

"Fod"  wrote in message 
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On Sep 1, 3:56 pm, BrianW  wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 15:41, "Mike P"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tommy"  wrote in message
>
> >news:6i2b6iFo6ajnU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > "BrianW"  wrote in message
> > >news:5f8bdfa4-d994-4286-aa31-0455e00e9f60@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Yup, Gollum will believe any old crap if it happens to coincide with
> > > one of his pathetic little prejudices. Remember his glee when he
> > > found an article on NASA's site which appeared to back up his "two
> > > ozones" hypothesis? Of course, the article in question was aimed at
> > > children, and was therefore considerably dumbed down, although
> > > evidently not by enough for Gollum.
>
> > > Gullible? BrianW is just a -ve version ofDoug - both choosing to be 
> > > blind
> > > to any facts they disagree with and lacking any common sense - no 
> > > winder
> > > Bri hates him :)
>
> > Hmm this bit doesn't make too much sense.
>
> Just as Gollum could use his ability to be "100% wrong 100% of the
> time" in a profitable manner, Toomtard could use his ability to post
> incoherent fuckwitted drivel in order to benefit mankind. I am
> thinking that perhaps he could be used to provide a totally secure
> cryptography service. If, for example, the message to be transmitted
> was "Attack at dawn", Toomy would probably translate this as "BUT THE
> you are TFL tried to fuxxin angry man". That, of course, would be
> incomprensible to all other humans, bar one. The exception is Gollum,
> who has in the past stated that he has no trouble understanding
> Toomtard. Gollum, therefore, could unscramble the messages at the
> other end.
>
> How about it, Gollum and Toomtard - you could for the first time in
> your lives make yourselves useful?

who should doug attack?

Fod

"nik.morgan"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:26:41 +0100, Conor wrote
> (in article ):

> 28.50+ vat here in darkest Cornwall, small independent family owned garage
> with good local reputation.
>
> I was speaking to one of the fitters a few moments ago about this very
> thread. he says one of their customers brings his Audi down from London 
> for
> it's servicing, the difference in  cost  over London covers all his fuel 
> and
> travel expenses,  a free weekend in Cornwall
>
I know people who have their frog motors serviced whilst over on holiday in 
France

( possibly such high costs are a downside of comparatively high land and 
property values that we think are so important in this country ?)

Tommy wrote:

> ( possibly such high costs are a downside of comparatively high land
> and property values that we think are so important in this country ?)

Yeah Gods!!!!

Not only has Tooomy posted something in coherent English but he might even 
be right.

Unless of course it's someone impersonating him.

"Brimstone"  gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

>> ( possibly such high costs are a downside of comparatively high land
>> and property values that we think are so important in this country ?)

> Yeah Gods!!!!
> 
> Not only has Tooomy posted something in coherent English but he might
> even be right.

It's stating the blindingly obvious, though.

Adrian wrote:
> "Brimstone"  gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying:
>
>>> ( possibly such high costs are a downside of comparatively high land
>>> and property values that we think are so important in this country
>>> ?)
>
>> Yeah Gods!!!!
>>
>> Not only has Tooomy posted something in coherent English but he might
>> even be right.
>
> It's stating the blindingly obvious, though.

May be, but it an achievement for Toomy. Give credit where it's due.

"Brimstone"  gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

>>> Not only has Tooomy posted something in coherent English but he might
>>> even be right.

>> It's stating the blindingly obvious, though.

> May be, but it an achievement for Toomy. Give credit where it's due.

Nah, I'll lob the morphing twat back into the killfile instead.

BrianW wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 07:08, Doug  wrote:
>> Oh dear, what a shame! Maybe this might force those car addicts to
>> leave the cars at home though or even get rid of them. Also cars are
>> now so electronically complex most drivers can't mend them cheaply
>> themselves as they used to. The prospect looks bleak.
> 
> Come to think of it, I don't think this is a new problem.  For
> example, imagine the following, which might have taken place a few
> years ago.  Someone drives a ratty old Land Rover.  When it breaks
> down, he is unable to fix it himself, and cannot afford to get it
> repaired professionally.  Accordingly, he just abandons it by the side
> of the road in Cornwall.
> 
> Does anyone here know anybody who fits the above description?

It was left to recycle itself?

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On Sep 2, 12:10 pm, "Tommy"  wrote:
> well done Fod,
>
> Put the correct phrase as I originally posted into a search engine and
> you'll see it was directly from a news feed  (but thnxxxxxxxx anyway)
>
> Never mind - keep repeating the lie and you might even believe the crap you
> post here - :)
>

would it be rude to ask you what on earth you are going on about?  Or
are you replying to me but talking to someone else again?

Perhaps I should explain.  "who should Doug attack" was a reference to
the joke exchange BrianW made up that went on between you and Doug
about attacking tomorrow.


Fod

On 2 Sep, 13:25, Fod  wrote:
> On Sep 2, 12:10 pm, "Tommy"  wrote:
>
> > well done Fod,
>
> > Put the correct phrase as I originally posted into a search engine and
> > you'll see it was directly from a news feed  (but thnxxxxxxxx anyway)
>
> > Never mind - keep repeating the lie and you might even believe the crap you
> > post here - :)
>
> would it be rude to ask you what on earth you are going on about?  Or
> are you replying to me but talking to someone else again?
>
> Perhaps I should explain.  "who should Doug attack" was a reference to
> the joke exchange BrianW made up that went on between you and Doug
> about attacking tomorrow.

I'm glad you are confused, Fod, because I also haven't got a clue what
the retard is on about.

Brimstone wrote:
> Adrian wrote:
>> "Brimstone"  gurgled happily, sounding
>> much like they were saying:
>>
>>>> ( possibly such high costs are a downside of comparatively high land
>>>> and property values that we think are so important in this country
>>>> ?)
>>> Yeah Gods!!!!
>>>
>>> Not only has Tooomy posted something in coherent English but he might
>>> even be right.
>> It's stating the blindingly obvious, though.
> 
> May be, but it an achievement for Toomy. Give credit where it's due. 
> 
> 

Can't do that, there's a credit crunch on.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 2 Sep, 12:10, "Tommy"  wrote:
> well done Fod,
>
> Put the correct phrase as I originally posted into a search engine and
> you'll see it was directly from a news feed  (but thnxxxxxxxx anyway)
>
> Never mind - keep repeating the lie and you might even believe the crap you
> post here - :)

Would that be "TfL tried to keep congestion charge increases total CO2
in London"?

You have in the past denied posting that "sentence", which was a lie.
You then claimed that I had misquoted you by missing out a word -
another lie.  You have claimed that it was a verbatim quote from the
Evening Standard, which was a lie.  Now you say that if you put the
correct phrase as you originally posted into a search engine, we will
see it was directly from a news feed.  Let's see, shall we?  Your
original post is here:

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.transport/browse_thread/thread/96a3d9b8e954359e/c0c52a46910204cb?hide_quotes=no

It says:

"TfL tried to keep congestion charge increases  total  CO2 in London.

Thanks to Porsche

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7338606.stm"

<puts first two "sentences" into Google>

Nope, the only results returned are from usenet.

<looks at the BBC news article Toomtard quoted>

Nope, those words don't appear in the article (and for good reason -
the people who write for the BBC are not retards like you and can
actually write in English).  So, yet another lie.

You are obviously embarrassed by that "sentence", and for good reason
- it proves beyond all doubt that you are an utter, clueless retard.

Now, why don't you go and ask the voices which lie to tell this time?

Doug wrote:
> On 1 Sep, 19:23, nik.morgan  wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 +0100, Knight Of The Road wrote
>> (in article ):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Doug"  wrote
>>> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
>>> feed me.
>>> Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
>>>  Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
>>> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>>> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to
>>> work?
>> Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot own
>> scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple of RCD's
>> I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers there also own cars
>> though there is some car pooling and minibusses for the migrant workers.  
>> There are certainly no bus services or trains and these places work 24/7 with
>> shift patterns across all hours. no car (or own transport) equals no work.
>>
> I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
> seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
> their place of work within walking or cycling distance.
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
> 
> 

If, unlikely as it may seem, you had a job, would you wish to live next 
door to your place of work?

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

On Sep 2, 8:51�pm, �i�ardo  wrote> Doug wrote:
> > On 1 Sep, 19:23, nik.morgan  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 퍝, Knight Of The Road wrote
> >> (in article ):
>
> >>> "Doug"  wrote
> >>> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
> >>> feed me.
> >>> Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
> >>> �Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
> >>> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
> >>> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to
> >>> work?
> >> Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot own
> >> scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple of RCD's
> >> I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers there also own cars
> >> though there is some car pooling and minibusses for the migrant workers. �
> >> There are certainly no bus services or trains and these places work 24/7 with
> >> shift patterns across all hours. no car (or own transport) equals no work.
>
> > I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
> > seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
> > their place of work within walking or cycling distance.
>
> > --
> > World Carfree Network
> >http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
> If, unlikely as it may seem, you had a job, would you wish to live next
> door to your place of work?

I'm guessing that for some time Gollum has lived near to the Post
Office where he collects his benefits.  Does that count?

BrianW wrote:
> On Sep 2, 8:51�pm, �i�ardo  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 1 Sep, 19:23, nik.morgan  wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:55:35 +0100, Knight Of The Road wrote
>>>> (in article ):
>>>>> "Doug"  wrote
>>>>> It would be a pretty desperate situation if I had to rely on you to
>>>>> feed me.
>>>>> Why takes the food to Tesco, the Tesco fairy?
>>>>> �Luckily though there are very many others who also transport
>>>>> food and probably some who are not totally car dependent like you.
>>>>> I've never met a truck driver who didn't own a car. How would he get to
>>>>> work?
>>>> Come to think of it I don't either, all own cars or vans and a lot own
>>>> scooters or bikes as well for the summertime. In the last couple of RCD's
>>>> I've delivered to on a regular basis most of the workers there also own cars
>>>> though there is some car pooling and minibusses for the migrant workers. �
>>>> There are certainly no bus services or trains and these places work 24/7 with
>>>> shift patterns across all hours. no car (or own transport) equals no work.
>>> I doubt that you or Vince's anecdotal evidence counts for much. You
>>> seem to be trying to claim that truck drivers NEVER EVER live near
>>> their place of work within walking or cycling distance.
>>> --
>>> World Carfree Network
>>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>> If, unlikely as it may seem, you had a job, would you wish to live next
>> door to your place of work?
> 
> I'm guessing that for some time Gollum has lived near to the Post
> Office where he collects his benefits.  Does that count?

Well, I suppose it does - an in hand job, or just a hand job, so to speak.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!