On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:53 +0100, John Wright 
wrote:

>Derek wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:04:50 +0100, John Wright 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> Look at the print union for one, look at the GPO even now. Progress, not 
>>>> bloody likely!
>>>>
>>>> Let's keep the fireman on the "footplate" of our electric trains, how 
>>>> dare they try and change things.
>>> That simply says there were failings on both sides - it doesn't excuse 
>>> poor management. As bikers know, the British motorcycle industry was not 
>>> crushed by the Japanese, it committed suicide. Why? By continuing to 
>>> produce designs from the 1930s that were unreliable and stopped working 
>>> when it rained. That's lack of management foresight. You can find 
>>> similar failings in a lot of industries.
>>>
>>>>> Rather than rely on prejuduce it would be worth your while 
>>>>> investigating the simple question of why employees of companies felt 
>>>>> the need to band together and form a union.
>>> Indeed, our current standard of living would not be there without unions.
>> 
>> Indeed my standard of living would be very much better if the industry
>> I was in hadn't been multiply unionised.
>> 
>> People said "Don't you feel you should make a contribution to the
>> union for getting pay rises for you that you didn't contribute to ?"
>> 
>> I just answer "No it would be more appropriate for the union to pay me
>> compensation for the damage done to the industry I trained for a
>> career in, at my own expense".  
>
>Really? You were working 100 years ago or more and said that then?

Check the date on your PC.

Derek

Derek wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:53 +0100, John Wright 
> wrote:
> 
>> Derek wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:04:50 +0100, John Wright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Look at the print union for one, look at the GPO even now. Progress, not 
>>>>> bloody likely!
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's keep the fireman on the "footplate" of our electric trains, how 
>>>>> dare they try and change things.
>>>> That simply says there were failings on both sides - it doesn't excuse 
>>>> poor management. As bikers know, the British motorcycle industry was not 
>>>> crushed by the Japanese, it committed suicide. Why? By continuing to 
>>>> produce designs from the 1930s that were unreliable and stopped working 
>>>> when it rained. That's lack of management foresight. You can find 
>>>> similar failings in a lot of industries.
>>>>
>>>>>> Rather than rely on prejuduce it would be worth your while 
>>>>>> investigating the simple question of why employees of companies felt 
>>>>>> the need to band together and form a union.
>>>> Indeed, our current standard of living would not be there without unions.
>>> Indeed my standard of living would be very much better if the industry
>>> I was in hadn't been multiply unionised.
>>>
>>> People said "Don't you feel you should make a contribution to the
>>> union for getting pay rises for you that you didn't contribute to ?"
>>>
>>> I just answer "No it would be more appropriate for the union to pay me
>>> compensation for the damage done to the industry I trained for a
>>> career in, at my own expense".  
>> Really? You were working 100 years ago or more and said that then?
> 
> Check the date on your PC.

What's that got to do with anything? My question remains, were you 
working 100 years ago or more and said that then?

-- 
John Wright

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You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
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