On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:14:56 +0100, "Smolley" 
wrote:

>
>"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
>news:bs6dnZEBI88TFCzVnZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Palindrome wrote:
>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>> Colonel Colt wrote:
>>>>> "Alang"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:s7c2b453fkmt0rutbele3k1alco2j9mob5@4ax.com...
>>>>>> I don't mind speed cameras either. They only trigger if you exceed
>>>>>> the speed limit. Far more dangerous to society are the surveillance
>>>>>> and ANPR cameras and the loss of the right to go about your
>>>>>> business without being bothered by plod except on reasonable
>>>>>> suspicion.
>>>>> Quite right.  You can cover the country with speed cameras for all I
>>>>> care. It is within my power to avoid being photographed by any of
>>>>> them.  The problem with APNRS is that is surveills the innocent as
>>>>> well as the guilty.
>>>>
>>>> Sees, yes. Records, not to my knowledge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Records, certainly.
>>
>> Can you show something to support the assertion that ANPR cameras record 
>> for long term use all cars that pass a specified point on a specified day 
>> at a specified time?
>>
>>> The only question is whether only "vehicles of
>>> interest" have their movements recorded - or whether all vehicles
>>> movements are recorded.
>>>
>>> The latter would certainly have advantages - as does the keeping of
>>> DNA records of the totally innocent.
>>
>> If DNA records of the whole population aren't kept then there's no point 
>> in keeping any.
>>
>>> It is hard to see the authorities throwing away such data, having gone
>>> to the trouble and expense of obtaining it.
>>
>> Indeed, it would be a complete waste of public funds wouldn't it?
>>
>
>
>Anyone with an enabled mobile phone have their movements time recorded with 
>a resolution to the nearest mast, unless they have a GPS phone.

Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
are still anonymous for the time being

> This is good 
>support information for matching to any camera data.
>
>
>

In article , Alang says...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:14:56 +0100, "Smolley" 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> >news:bs6dnZEBI88TFCzVnZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> Palindrome wrote:
> >>> Brimstone wrote:
> >>>> Colonel Colt wrote:
> >>>>> "Alang"  wrote in message
> >>>>> news:s7c2b453fkmt0rutbele3k1alco2j9mob5@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> I don't mind speed cameras either. They only trigger if you exceed
> >>>>>> the speed limit. Far more dangerous to society are the surveillance
> >>>>>> and ANPR cameras and the loss of the right to go about your
> >>>>>> business without being bothered by plod except on reasonable
> >>>>>> suspicion.
> >>>>> Quite right.  You can cover the country with speed cameras for all I
> >>>>> care. It is within my power to avoid being photographed by any of
> >>>>> them.  The problem with APNRS is that is surveills the innocent as
> >>>>> well as the guilty.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sees, yes. Records, not to my knowledge.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Records, certainly.
> >>
> >> Can you show something to support the assertion that ANPR cameras record 
> >> for long term use all cars that pass a specified point on a specified day 
> >> at a specified time?
> >>
> >>> The only question is whether only "vehicles of
> >>> interest" have their movements recorded - or whether all vehicles
> >>> movements are recorded.
> >>>
> >>> The latter would certainly have advantages - as does the keeping of
> >>> DNA records of the totally innocent.
> >>
> >> If DNA records of the whole population aren't kept then there's no point 
> >> in keeping any.
> >>
> >>> It is hard to see the authorities throwing away such data, having gone
> >>> to the trouble and expense of obtaining it.
> >>
> >> Indeed, it would be a complete waste of public funds wouldn't it?
> >>
> >
> >
> >Anyone with an enabled mobile phone have their movements time recorded with 
> >a resolution to the nearest mast, unless they have a GPS phone.
> 
> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
> are still anonymous for the time being
> 
No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your 
details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the 
network.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:6hds9dFkqf3pU6@mid.individual.net...
>
>> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
>> are still anonymous for the time being
>>
> No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your
> details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the
> network.

I never gave any details to O2 for my PAYG phone. Charged it, stuck credit on 
and that was that.

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:6hds9dFkqf3pU6@mid.individual.net...
>>
> No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your
> details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the
> network.
>
Bullshit.  I recently purchased a Vodafone PAYG for cash and started using 
it without exchanging any details whatsoever.  I have purchased top ups with 
cash.  It is 100% anonymous.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:49:00 +0100, Conor 
wrote:

>In article , Alang says...
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:14:56 +0100, "Smolley" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
>> >news:bs6dnZEBI88TFCzVnZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> >> Palindrome wrote:
>> >>> Brimstone wrote:
>> >>>> Colonel Colt wrote:
>> >>>>> "Alang"  wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:s7c2b453fkmt0rutbele3k1alco2j9mob5@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>> I don't mind speed cameras either. They only trigger if you exceed
>> >>>>>> the speed limit. Far more dangerous to society are the surveillance
>> >>>>>> and ANPR cameras and the loss of the right to go about your
>> >>>>>> business without being bothered by plod except on reasonable
>> >>>>>> suspicion.
>> >>>>> Quite right.  You can cover the country with speed cameras for all I
>> >>>>> care. It is within my power to avoid being photographed by any of
>> >>>>> them.  The problem with APNRS is that is surveills the innocent as
>> >>>>> well as the guilty.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sees, yes. Records, not to my knowledge.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> Records, certainly.
>> >>
>> >> Can you show something to support the assertion that ANPR cameras record 
>> >> for long term use all cars that pass a specified point on a specified day 
>> >> at a specified time?
>> >>
>> >>> The only question is whether only "vehicles of
>> >>> interest" have their movements recorded - or whether all vehicles
>> >>> movements are recorded.
>> >>>
>> >>> The latter would certainly have advantages - as does the keeping of
>> >>> DNA records of the totally innocent.
>> >>
>> >> If DNA records of the whole population aren't kept then there's no point 
>> >> in keeping any.
>> >>
>> >>> It is hard to see the authorities throwing away such data, having gone
>> >>> to the trouble and expense of obtaining it.
>> >>
>> >> Indeed, it would be a complete waste of public funds wouldn't it?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Anyone with an enabled mobile phone have their movements time recorded with 
>> >a resolution to the nearest mast, unless they have a GPS phone.
>> 
>> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
>> are still anonymous for the time being
>> 
>No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your 
>details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the 
>network.

Nope. Use vodaphone. Buy it, turn it on, use it. Top it up with
vouchers

In article <YqudnfRRqs4gTyzVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet>,  says...
> "Conor"  wrote in message 
> news:6hds9dFkqf3pU6@mid.individual.net...
> >
> >> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
> >> are still anonymous for the time being
> >>
> > No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your
> > details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the
> > network.
> 
> I never gave any details to O2 for my PAYG phone. Charged it, stuck credit on 
> and that was that. 
> 
Not if you got it in the last half decade.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:36:08 +0100, Conor 
wrote:

>In article <YqudnfRRqs4gTyzVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet>,  says...
>> "Conor"  wrote in message 
>> news:6hds9dFkqf3pU6@mid.individual.net...
>> >
>> >> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
>> >> are still anonymous for the time being
>> >>
>> > No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your
>> > details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the
>> > network.
>> 
>> I never gave any details to O2 for my PAYG phone. Charged it, stuck credit on 
>> and that was that. 
>> 
>Not if you got it in the last half decade.

Last year

In article , Alang says...
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:36:08 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <YqudnfRRqs4gTyzVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet>,  says...
> >> "Conor"  wrote in message 
> >> news:6hds9dFkqf3pU6@mid.individual.net...
> >> >
> >> >> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
> >> >> are still anonymous for the time being
> >> >>
> >> > No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your
> >> > details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the
> >> > network.
> >> 
> >> I never gave any details to O2 for my PAYG phone. Charged it, stuck credit on 
> >> and that was that. 
> >> 
> >Not if you got it in the last half decade.
> 
> Last year
> 
Should've had to register a name and address. It's part of the "war on 
terror".

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:39:12 +0100, Conor 
wrote:

>In article , Alang says...
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:36:08 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <YqudnfRRqs4gTyzVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet>,  says...
>> >> "Conor"  wrote in message 
>> >> news:6hds9dFkqf3pU6@mid.individual.net...
>> >> >
>> >> >> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG which
>> >> >> are still anonymous for the time being
>> >> >>
>> >> > No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give your
>> >> > details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the
>> >> > network.
>> >> 
>> >> I never gave any details to O2 for my PAYG phone. Charged it, stuck credit on 
>> >> and that was that. 
>> >> 
>> >Not if you got it in the last half decade.
>> 
>> Last year
>> 
>Should've had to register a name and address. It's part of the "war on 
>terror".

There is no legal requirement to do so and if there were it would be
almost impossible to police

"Alang"  wrote in message 
news:6u16b4dq7bolssngmd85q4eqvgp94d0p0o@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:39:12 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
>
>>In article , Alang says...
>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:36:08 +0100, Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <YqudnfRRqs4gTyzVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet>,  says...
>>> >> "Conor"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:6hds9dFkqf3pU6@mid.individual.net...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Only the movement of the phone. And many of us   still use PAYG 
>>> >> >> which
>>> >> >> are still anonymous for the time being
>>> >> >>
>>> >> > No they're not. I see you seem to have forgotten having to give 
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > details when you first turned it on and had to register it with the
>>> >> > network.
>>> >>
>>> >> I never gave any details to O2 for my PAYG phone. Charged it, stuck 
>>> >> credit on
>>> >> and that was that.
>>> >>
>>> >Not if you got it in the last half decade.
>>>
>>> Last year
>>>
>>Should've had to register a name and address. It's part of the "war on
>>terror".
>
> There is no legal requirement to do so and if there were it would be
> almost impossible to police

They try doing this in India,  these days you need two references for a 
'pay-as-you-go' phone.

It doesn't work...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.