Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen 
bicycle. Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike? Seems like 
misuse to me, I'll remember that next time the fucking thing hovers over 
mu house at 2am to shine it's searchlight on the farmer's fields out the 
back as they often do. I dunno why they can't hover over the other side 
of the field instead...

-- 
Abo

On 20 Aug, 20:26, Abo <n...@spam.thanks> wrote:
> Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen
> bicycle. Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike? Seems like
> misuse to me, I'll remember that next time the fucking thing hovers over
> mu house at 2am to shine it's searchlight on the farmer's fields out the
> back as they often do. I dunno why they can't hover over the other side
> of the field instead...
>
 Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.
The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters. I
suppose it gives them a big thrill though. You can tell how excited
they get by watching police car chases on TV and hearing their
recorded comments as they close in at ridiculously high speeds on
dangerous drivers.

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One man's democracy is another man's regime.

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 20 Aug, 20:26, Abo <n...@spam.thanks> wrote:
>> Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen
>> bicycle. Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike? Seems like
>> misuse to me, I'll remember that next time the fucking thing hovers over
>> mu house at 2am to shine it's searchlight on the farmer's fields out the
>> back as they often do. I dunno why they can't hover over the other side
>> of the field instead...
>>
> Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.
> The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
> disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
> the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters. I
> suppose it gives them a big thrill though. You can tell how excited
> they get by watching police car chases on TV and hearing their
> recorded comments as they close in at ridiculously high speeds on
> dangerous drivers.

No one gives a fuck what you think

Abo <no@spam.thanks> wrote:

> Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen 
> bicycle. Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike? Seems like
> misuse to me, I'll remember that next time the fucking thing hovers over
> mu house at 2am to shine it's searchlight on the farmer's fields out the
> back as they often do. I dunno why they can't hover over the other side
> of the field instead...

You whinger. It's far worse in 'boro than out where you are. The bloody
thing is constantly overhead - usually trying to spot kids riding stolen
bikes (both motor and pedal) around Marton.

Gizmo.  wrote:

> "Doug"  wrote in message 
> news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On 20 Aug, 20:26, Abo <n...@spam.thanks> wrote:
> >> Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen
> >> bicycle. Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike? Seems like
> >> misuse to me, I'll remember that next time the fucking thing hovers over
> >> mu house at 2am to shine it's searchlight on the farmer's fields out the
> >> back as they often do. I dunno why they can't hover over the other side
> >> of the field instead...
> >>
> > Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.
> > The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
> > disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
> > the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters. I
> > suppose it gives them a big thrill though. You can tell how excited
> > they get by watching police car chases on TV and hearing their
> > recorded comments as they close in at ridiculously high speeds on
> > dangerous drivers.
> 
> No one gives a fuck what you think 

No one gives a fuck what he  "thinks"

Doug wrote:
> as they close in at ridiculously high speeds on
> dangerous drivers.

Only when it is "safe" to do so.
You know what I really dislike about those CRASH ACCIDENTS BY CRAP 
DRIVERS CAUGHT ON CAMERA programmes?  When the chasing police have to 
"give up" the chase when the danger outstrips any possible benefit of 
catching the "alleged villains". And once more the "villains" get away 
cocking a snook at the police.

-- 
'S rioghal mo dhream
www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk

Steve Firth wrote:
> Abo <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen 
>> bicycle. Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike? Seems like
>> misuse to me, I'll remember that next time the fucking thing hovers over
>> mu house at 2am to shine it's searchlight on the farmer's fields out the
>> back as they often do. I dunno why they can't hover over the other side
>> of the field instead...
> 
> You whinger. It's far worse in 'boro than out where you are. The bloody
> thing is constantly overhead - usually trying to spot kids riding stolen
> bikes (both motor and pedal) around Marton.

Heh yeah I used to live in the boro and I know what you mean

-- 
Abo

In article <a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7
@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
> On 20 Aug, 20:26, Abo <n...@spam.thanks> wrote:
> > Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen
> > bicycle. Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike? Seems like
> > misuse to me, I'll remember that next time the fucking thing hovers over
> > mu house at 2am to shine it's searchlight on the farmer's fields out the
> > back as they often do. I dunno why they can't hover over the other side
> > of the field instead...
> >
>  Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.

some of them weren't peaceful...

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
...
> Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.

And the ones you support too. It helps them spot developing trouble much 
earlier and to direct ground forces into the area to control it.

> The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
> disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
> the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters.

One of the criticisms of CCTV is that they don't stop crime - they simply 
move it to areas that are not covered.

> I suppose it gives them a big thrill though.

As the pilots are almost invariaby ex-military (they are also civilians, not 
Police) it is probably pretty tame stuff to them.

Colin Bignell

"Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message 
news:g8hr56$eqi$1@news.albasani.net...
> Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen bicycle. 
> Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike?

The bike was a £1000 mountain bike. However, I would be surprised it it were 
the only bike the crooks concerned had stolen.

> Seems like misuse to me, ...

It would be difficult to track a mountain bike successfully with anything 
else and the operation did result in two arrests.

Colin Bignell

On 21 Aug, 23:42, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
wrote:
> "Abo" <n...@spam.thanks> wrote in message
>
> news:g8hr56$eqi$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> > Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen bicycle.
> > Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike?
>
> The bike was a £1000 mountain bike. However, I would be surprised it it were
> the only bike the crooks concerned had stolen.
>
> > Seems like misuse to me, ...
>
> It would be difficult to track a mountain bike successfully with anything
> else and the operation did result in two arrests.
>
> Colin Bignell

Are you by any chance a policeperson or associated with them?

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Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

On 21 Aug, 22:41, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
wrote:
> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> ...
>
> > Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.
>
> And the ones you support too. It helps them spot developing trouble much
> earlier and to direct ground forces into the area to control it.
>
Yeah. Pre-emptive policing. Tell me about it! Treat everyone as
serious criminals until the police are sure they are innocent. Also
why bother with justice and the courts when the police can do the
whole job themselves?
>
> > The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
> > disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
> > the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters.
>
> One of the criticisms of CCTV is that they don't stop crime - they simply
> move it to areas that are not covered.
>
Towns are pretty well covered.
>
> > I suppose it gives them a big thrill though.
>
> As the pilots are almost invariaby ex-military (they are also civilians, not
> Police) it is probably pretty tame stuff to them.
>
I meant the ones in the cars and the police passengers in the
helicopters.

As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
visiting the owner perhaps?

I think the cops enjoy the thrill of speed and that is why they do it
and put the public in danger.

--
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www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's regime.

Doug"  wrote in message 
news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> visiting the owner perhaps?

How stupid are you? In most such cases, the car is stolen, so your idea 
won't really work.

Doug wrote:

> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> visiting the owner perhaps?
>
Since the cars have mostly been stolen what would be the point of visiting 
the owner?

Graculus wrote:
> Doug"  wrote in message
> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
>> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
>> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
>> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
>> visiting the owner perhaps?
>
> How stupid are you?

Incalculable.

On 22 Aug, 07:46, "Graculus" 
wrote:
> Doug"  wrote in message
>
> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> > minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
> > should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> > methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> > visiting the owner perhaps?
>
> How stupid are you? In most such cases, the car is stolen, so your idea
> won't really work.

Idiot! Drivers have to park up sometime and there is plenty of CCTV
now. Police/wardens can be directed to where the car is parked,
instead of putting the public in danger. Anyway, who cares if cars are
stolen?

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Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:003ca69c-40d2-4617-bfc5-157e5248bb46@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On 22 Aug, 07:46, "Graculus" 
> wrote:
>> Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
>> > minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
>> > should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
>> > methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
>> > visiting the owner perhaps?
>>
>> How stupid are you? In most such cases, the car is stolen, so your idea
>> won't really work.
>
> Idiot!

No, I don't think so.

> Drivers have to park up sometime and there is plenty of CCTV
> now.

Not in most residential streets or alleyways or other places such cars are 
normally dumped.
And anyway, you have just moved your own goalposts (again). Just now it was 
visiting the owner's house, all of a sudden it's finding whose house the car 
ends up at.

Consistency and thinking things through aren't really your strong points, 
are they,

> Police/wardens can be directed to where the car is parked,
> instead of putting the public in danger. Anyway, who cares if cars are
> stolen?

The owners normally care.

Doug wrote:
> On 22 Aug, 07:46, "Graculus" 
> wrote:
>> Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
>>> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
>>> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
>>> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
>>> visiting the owner perhaps?
>> How stupid are you? In most such cases, the car is stolen, so your idea
>> won't really work.
> 
> Idiot! Drivers have to park up sometime and there is plenty of CCTV
> now. Police/wardens can be directed to where the car is parked,
> instead of putting the public in danger. Anyway, who cares if cars are
> stolen?
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
> 

Perhaps the owner of the car would care, she may not be able to drive to 
the hospital to do her night shift, he may not ba able to get to the 
depot to drive his train, She might not be able to attend her vital 
health check, etc

-- 
Tony the Dragon

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 21 Aug, 22:41, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
> wrote:
>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> ...
>>
>> > Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.
>>
>> And the ones you support too. It helps them spot developing trouble much
>> earlier and to direct ground forces into the area to control it.
>>
> Yeah. Pre-emptive policing. Tell me about it! Treat everyone as
> serious criminals until the police are sure they are innocent....

How else to be sure there are enough Police around to deal with serious 
outbreaks of criminal activity when they happen? If all protests were really 
peaceful, we might get back to the marches I remember from 50 years ago, 
where the Police were there as much to control traffic as to escort the 
protesters. The whole atmosphere was very cordial.

>> > The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
>> > disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
>> > the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters.
>>
>> One of the criticisms of CCTV is that they don't stop crime - they simply
>> move it to areas that are not covered.
>>
> Towns are pretty well covered.

In many, but not all, towns, the shopping areas are well covered. 
Residential areas rarely are.

>> > I suppose it gives them a big thrill though.
>>
>> As the pilots are almost invariaby ex-military (they are also civilians, 
>> not
>> Police) it is probably pretty tame stuff to them.
>>
> I meant the ones in the cars and the police passengers in the
> helicopters.
>
> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> minor and are escalated by being chased.

After one or two like that resulted in accidents, there was a change in 
policy and the Police are now under instructions to back off if it looks as 
if the pursuit is likely to get out of hand. That is also one reason for a 
growing use of aircraft.

> Not that criminal motorists
> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> visiting the owner perhaps?

To say what? We've recovered the burnt-out shell of your stolen car. We 
could have caught the culprits and recovered the car with minimal damage 
with a stinger had we known where they were going, but Doug's Law means we 
can no longer follow stolen cars.

> I think the cops enjoy the thrill of speed and that is why they do it
> and put the public in danger.

The ones I know are only too well aware that they are the ones who are most 
at danger.

Colin Bignell

"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:86c20216-e29b-4f7f-9357-f799c98cf48e@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
...
> Are you by any chance a policeperson or associated with them?

As I have posted elsewhere, my cousin used to work in a Motorway Control 
Centre and dated a number of Traffic Police, whom I then met socially at 
family gatherings, and one of my flying instructors was an ex-Traffic 
motorcyclist. I also used to be a civilian member of the Metropolitan Police 
Car Club, as they had some of the best club level motor rallies, with a 
surprising lack of mobile speed traps (this was long before Gatsos). That is 
the sum of my involvement with the Police. As I have also posted elsewhere, 
my eyesight is so bad that I had to get special permission from the CAA to 
get a private pilot's licence, so I couldn't join the Police even had the 
desire ever occurred to me, which it has not.

Colin Bignell

On 22 Aug, 07:37, Doug  wrote:

> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> visiting the owner perhaps?

Yes, that would be really useful, wouldn't it, in the case of
criminals driving a stolen car?  I can see it now:

"Sergeant Plod to HQ.  Bank robbery just taken place, the robbers are
escaping in a stolen Subaru Impreza.  Permission to pursue"

"No, don't bother, we'll just sent someone round to the registered
address".

Christ, Gollum, you *really* like to show us how dumb you are, don't
you?

Doug wrote:

> Idiot! Drivers have to park up sometime and there is plenty of CCTV
> now. Police/wardens can be directed to where the car is parked,
> instead of putting the public in danger.

By which time the perpetrators have fucked off

 > Anyway, who cares if cars are stolen?

More Doug lawlessness

-- 
Abo

nightjar <cpb@ wrote:
> "Doug"  wrote in message 
> news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> ...
>> Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.
> 
> And the ones you support too. It helps them spot developing trouble much 
> earlier and to direct ground forces into the area to control it.
> 
>> The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
>> disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
>> the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters.
> 
> One of the criticisms of CCTV is that they don't stop crime - they simply 
> move it to areas that are not covered.
> 
>> I suppose it gives them a big thrill though.
> 
> As the pilots are almost invariaby ex-military (they are also civilians, not 
> Police) it is probably pretty tame stuff to them.
> 
> Colin Bignell 
> 
> 

This is how they get their thrills in the Avon and Somerset Police area:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7079203.stm

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

On Aug 22, 8:11 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 22 Aug, 07:46, "Graculus" 
> wrote:
>
> > Doug"  wrote in message
>
> >news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com..> > > As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> > > minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
> > > should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> > > methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> > > visiting the owner perhaps?
>
> > How stupid are you? In most such cases, the car is stolen, so your idea
> > won't really work.
>
> Idiot! Drivers have to park up sometime and there is plenty of CCTV
> now.

So the chavs dump the car in the countryside while the police waste
time talking to the owner who reported it stolen hours ago.  "Did you
know your car was being driven at 80mph in a 30 limit sir?  Oh sorry,
that was 2 hours after you reported it stolen to us?  Sorry for
wasting your time sir"

Even in the city given how slow the police are to turn up your idea
seems unworkable.  By the time they've reached the stolen car its
driver ( probably unlicensed and without insurance)  will be long
gone.

Police/wardens can be directed to where the car is parked,
> instead of putting the public in danger. Anyway, who cares if cars are
> stolen?

Wardens... how would ticketing the stolen car help make the public
safer.  In fact what use would it be at all?

Who cares if cars are stolen?  Well it has an impact on you but you
don't seem to understand that.  Would you  like me to explain the many
ways it has a negative impact on yourself?

Fod

On Aug 22, 7:26 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 21 Aug, 23:42, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Abo" <n...@spam.thanks> wrote in message
>
> >news:g8hr56$eqi$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> > > Hmm, it seems that they used the helecopter to hunt down a stolen bicycle.
> > > Wonder how much that cost vs. the cost of the bike?
>
> > The bike was a £1000 mountain bike. However, I would be surprised it it were
> > the only bike the crooks concerned had stolen.
>
> > > Seems like misuse to me, ...
>
> > It would be difficult to track a mountain bike successfully with anything
> > else and the operation did result in two arrests.
>
> > Colin Bignell
>
> Are you by any chance a policeperson or associated with them?

Doug gets upset at the police targeting criminals rather than
drivers...

Anyone surprised?

Fod

Brimstone wrote:
> Graculus wrote:
>> Doug"  wrote in message
>> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
>>> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
>>> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
>>> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
>>> visiting the owner perhaps?
>> How stupid are you?
> 
> Incalculable. 
> 
> 
As the Court Recorder in Torquay said, according to today's news: "If 
there was sentence for stupidity you would be serving life imprisonment."

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

In article <8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-
fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...

> Yeah. Pre-emptive policing. Tell me about it! Treat everyone as
> serious criminals until the police are sure they are innocent.

Well your eco-loonie mates seem to want to pander to their 
misconceptions at pretty much every event.


> > One of the criticisms of CCTV is that they don't stop crime - they simply
> > move it to areas that are not covered.
> >
> Towns are pretty well covered.
> 
No, town centers are.


> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> visiting the owner perhaps?
> 
And how would they know they'd got the right driver?



-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article <003ca69c-40d2-4617-bfc5-157e5248bb46@
56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...

> Idiot! Drivers have to park up sometime and there is plenty of CCTV
> now. Police/wardens can be directed to where the car is parked,
> instead of putting the public in danger. Anyway, who cares if cars are
> stolen?
> 
Remind me who it is in this group who bleats on about malicious 
persecution of innocent people, Doug?

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

On 22 Aug, 08:48, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
wrote:
> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 21 Aug, 22:41, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> ...
>
> >> > Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters too.
>
> >> And the ones you support too. It helps them spot developing trouble much
> >> earlier and to direct ground forces into the area to control it.
>
> > Yeah. Pre-emptive policing. Tell me about it! Treat everyone as
> > serious criminals until the police are sure they are innocent....
>
> How else to be sure there are enough Police around to deal with serious
> outbreaks of criminal activity when they happen? If all protests were really
> peaceful, we might get back to the marches I remember from 50 years ago,
> where the Police were there as much to control traffic as to escort the
> protesters. The whole atmosphere was very cordial.
>
It has never been cordial where peaceful demonstrators are in constant
fear of arrest or worse.

The police have more than adequate communications and at
demonstrations can bring reinforcements in very quickly and yet they
often choose to dominate such peaceful demonstrations by virtually
outnumbering them and intimidating the demonstrators.

There is often a compromise though where the demonstration is first
cleared with the police and stewards are appointed but this means that
the police are in charge and determine the route etc. Demonstrators
also suffer the indignity of being led by a phalanx of cops in front
of and often hiding their banners.
>
> >> > The police seem to have so much staff and money to waste on
> >> > disproportionate responses. You would think that with so much CCTV on
> >> > the ground they could track people without the need for helicopters.
>
> >> One of the criticisms of CCTV is that they don't stop crime - they simply
> >> move it to areas that are not covered.
>
> > Towns are pretty well covered.
>
> In many, but not all, towns, the shopping areas are well covered.
> Residential areas rarely are.
>
Give it time.
>
> >> > I suppose it gives them a big thrill though.
>
> >> As the pilots are almost invariaby ex-military (they are also civilians,
> >> not
> >> Police) it is probably pretty tame stuff to them.
>
> > I meant the ones in the cars and the police passengers in the
> > helicopters.
>
> > As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
> > minor and are escalated by being chased.
>
> After one or two like that resulted in accidents, there was a change in
> policy and the Police are now under instructions to back off if it looks as
> if the pursuit is likely to get out of hand. That is also one reason for a
> growing use of aircraft.
>
No more 'car chase' TV then?
>
> > Not that criminal motorists
> > should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
> > methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
> > visiting the owner perhaps?
>
> To say what? We've recovered the burnt-out shell of your stolen car. We
> could have caught the culprits and recovered the car with minimal damage
> with a stinger had we known where they were going, but Doug's Law means we
> can no longer follow stolen cars.
>
The car is insured isn't it, or ought to be. I find it incredible that
motorists leave their expensive possessions lying about on public
streets 24/7 and yet don't expect them to get stolen. It is an open
invitation to thieves.
>
> > I think the cops enjoy the thrill of speed and that is why they do it
> > and put the public in danger.
>
> The ones I know are only too well aware that they are the ones who are most
> at danger.
>
Which is thrilling.

--
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"Doug"  wrote in message 
news:da0f7a5e-bf6f-477a-a3c1-fd28722fa5b3@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 22 Aug, 08:48, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
> wrote:
>> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On 21 Aug, 22:41, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname here>.me.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >> "Doug"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:a4e85bcf-04c6-4147-bd7a-898d357b56d7@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >> ...
>>
>> >> > Tell me about it. They frequently hover over peaceful protesters 
>> >> > too.
>>
>> >> And the ones you support too. It helps them spot developing trouble 
>> >> much
>> >> earlier and to direct ground forces into the area to control it.
>>
>> > Yeah. Pre-emptive policing. Tell me about it! Treat everyone as
>> > serious criminals until the police are sure they are innocent....
>>
>> How else to be sure there are enough Police around to deal with serious
>> outbreaks of criminal activity when they happen? If all protests were 
>> really
>> peaceful, we might get back to the marches I remember from 50 years ago,
>> where the Police were there as much to control traffic as to escort the
>> protesters. The whole atmosphere was very cordial.
>>
> It has never been cordial where peaceful demonstrators are in constant
> fear of arrest or worse.

Peaceful protestors have never had to fear that, only those who pose as 
peaceful protestors, but actually intend to cause a breach of the peace or 
criminal damage. However, I seriosuly doubt you have ever been on a 
genuinely peaceful protest. Personally, I think things went downhill after 
Grosvenor Square.

> The police have more than adequate communications and at
> demonstrations can bring reinforcements in very quickly and yet they
> often choose to dominate such peaceful demonstrations by virtually
> outnumbering them and intimidating the demonstrators.

There is no way the Police could bring in sufficient numbers to stop large 
numbers of people from over-running their lines execpt by having the 
required numbers of officers on site before they are needed.

> There is often a compromise though where the demonstration is first
> cleared with the police and stewards are appointed but this means that
> the police are in charge and determine the route etc. Demonstrators
> also suffer the indignity of being led by a phalanx of cops in front
> of and often hiding their banners.

This is called  peaceful protest, i.e. one where the protestors cooperate 
with the Police. Banners are usually only banned where they are viewed as 
inflamatory and likely to lead to a civil disturbance.

>> After one or two like that resulted in accidents, there was a change in
>> policy and the Police are now under instructions to back off if it looks 
>> as
>> if the pursuit is likely to get out of hand. That is also one reason for 
>> a
>> growing use of aircraft.
>>
> No more 'car chase' TV then?

I don't watch a lot of it, but from what I have seen, if the footage come 
sfrom the UK, aerial footage dominates or the date stamp is years old.

....
>> To say what? We've recovered the burnt-out shell of your stolen car. We
>> could have caught the culprits and recovered the car with minimal damage
>> with a stinger had we known where they were going, but Doug's Law means 
>> we
>> can no longer follow stolen cars.
>>
> The car is insured isn't it, or ought to be.

So, you think that means the Police have no duty to recover stolen property?

> I find it incredible that
> motorists leave their expensive possessions lying about on public
> streets 24/7 and yet don't expect them to get stolen. It is an open
> invitation to thieves.

In fact, modern cars are rather too good at stopping crooks from stealing 
them. An unforseen consequence of which is that crimes against the person, 
aimed at getting the car keys, have risen in recent years. In those cases, 
it makes little difference whether the car is kept in the street or in a 
garage overnight.

>> > I think the cops enjoy the thrill of speed and that is why they do it
>> > and put the public in danger.
>>
>> The ones I know are only too well aware that they are the ones who are 
>> most
>> at danger.
>>
> Which is thrilling.

Not if you have to worry about being pensioned off early on disability 
benefit.

Colin Bignell

®i©ardo wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> Graculus wrote:
>>> Doug"  wrote in message
>>> news:8bcc2ed2-def5-4b8b-b3b7-fc58b441d4fc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... 
>>>
>>>> As for the 'exciting' car chases they often start out as something
>>>> minor and are escalated by being chased. Not that criminal motorists
>>>> should not be caught but maybe less dangerous and less expensive
>>>> methods should be tried, like recording the reg number and later
>>>> visiting the owner perhaps?
>>> How stupid are you?
>>
>> Incalculable.
>>
> As the Court Recorder in Torquay said, according to today's news: "If 
> there was sentence for stupidity you would be serving life imprisonment."

Priceless!


-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Doug wrote:

>Anyway, who cares if cars are stolen?


We know you don't but lots of other people do, including arms of the 
government. The one you despise though, so this perhaps this is no surprise.

Did you ever tax your Land Rover?

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

John Wright wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>
>> Anyway, who cares if cars are stolen?
>
>
> We know you don't but lots of other people do, including arms of the
> government. The one you despise though, so this perhaps this is no
> surprise.
> Did you ever tax your Land Rover?

What with no insurance nor MoT?

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:15:26 +0100, "Brimstone"
 wrote:

>John Wright wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, who cares if cars are stolen?
>>
>>
>> We know you don't but lots of other people do, including arms of the
>> government. The one you despise though, so this perhaps this is no
>> surprise.
>> Did you ever tax your Land Rover?
>
>What with no insurance nor MoT? 
>

or fuel ...

Derek