http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm

Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.

That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
her nose out of othr people businss.

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>
> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>
> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
> her nose out of othr people businss.
>
Cunt.

Mike P

"Mike P"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>
> Cunt.
>


Leave a message, don't just sign your name.
Is "Cunt" your first or second name?

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>
> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>
> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
> her nose out of othr people businss.

How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
business"?

tim

"tim....."  wrote

> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
> business"?

Don't pay any attention to 'Bazzer'. He's still grumpy after his dad sucked 
his cock and refused to swallow.

"tim....."  wrote in message 
news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>
> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
> business"?

It's all aout victimising a minority group.
You can't do it to blacks amy more.

>
> tim
>
>
>

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote

>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>> business"?
>
> It's all aout victimising a minority group.
> You can't do it to blacks amy more.

You are so full of shit you must taste it.

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
news:E9mmk.36536$8w4.15451@newsfe30.ams2...
>
> "tim....."  wrote in message 
> news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>
>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>
>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>
>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>> business"?
>
> It's all aout victimising a minority group.
> You can't do it to blacks amy more.

standing next to a black (lesbian/disabled/pensioner) does me no harm so why 
should I need to complain?

tim

On Aug 6, 7:19 pm, "tim....."  wrote:
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>
> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>
> > Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>
> > That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
> > her nose out of othr people businss.
>
> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's
> business"?
>
> tim

How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
people's
business"?
Exactly. I think they went a bit too far but so did the old biddy. Why
interfere for no apparent reason? But shoving her in the way of a
train? Nah.

"tim....."  wrote in message 
news:6fu9n7Fd8b7jU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:E9mmk.36536$8w4.15451@newsfe30.ams2...
>>
>> "tim....."  wrote in message 
>> news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>
>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>
>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>
>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>>> business"?
>>
>> It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>> You can't do it to blacks amy more.
>
> standing next to a black (lesbian/disabled/pensioner) does me no harm so 
> why should I need to complain?
>

Ah but statistically he balck is more likely to attack up, certainly more 
likely
to harmyou than second hand smoke, but you can't say that these days, they
are a protected minority with human rights. The smoker of course has
had his human rights removed so you can surpress them as much as you like.

> tim
>
>
>

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote

> Ah but statistically he balck is more likely to attack up,

Want to try again?

Clue: ask Nurse to sharpen the stick attached to your head.

"sandy58"  wrote

> I think they went a bit too far but so did the old biddy.

Another cunt. Is there no end?

"The old biddy"?

I hope your mother gets fucked by a HORSE.

Bazzer Smith expressed precisely :
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>
> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>
> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
> her nose out of othr people businss.

That pair of cunts should be given the "cat" and 10 years hard labour 
and you should be flogged and dogfucked.

-- 
Count Baldoni

In article <c388e81b-9dce-438e-9a40-1e5d27e253c0
@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, sandy58 says...

> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
> people's
> business"?

Irrelevent - it is illegal.

> Exactly. I think they went a bit too far but so did the old biddy. Why
> interfere for no apparent reason? But shoving her in the way of a
> train? Nah.
> 
And its cunts like you which have resulted in us having the shithole of 
the country we live in where people complain about others who break the 
law but do fuck all about it as its "everyone elses job" whilst banging 
on about how it's not safe to go out at night anymore.

Spinless turd.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Baldoni wrote:
> Bazzer Smith expressed precisely :
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>
> That pair of cunts should be given the "cat" and 10 years hard labour
> and you should be flogged and dogfucked.

I think the birch would hurt more..

Mike P

"Baldoni"  wrote in message 
news:6fuef8Fddeq6U1@mid.individual.net...
> Bazzer Smith expressed precisely :
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>
> That pair of cunts should be given the "cat" and 10 years hard labour and 
> you should be flogged and dogfucked.

They should be give a pat on the back and the freedom of the city for giving 
that
mindless c*nt whatshe deserved, management consultant indeed, I wonder if 
she was advising the
banks or another of our bankrupt failing industries.
She is clearly a senseless moron who would be better off dead anyway.
It just shows you can get to be a management consultnat and be paid a 
fortune
for being a f*cking uselsss brainless moron who does more damage than good,
because they went to the right school.


>
> -- 
> Count Baldoni
>
>

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
news:FHnmk.49004$%21.10871@newsfe22.ams2...

> It just shows you can get to be a management consultnat and be paid a 
> fortune

So why don't you do it, you braindead cunt?

(BTW, I pull in about 150 grand a year as a management consultnat.)

You are a sad sack o'shite, aintcha?

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>
> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>
> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
> her nose out of othr people businss.

I would have been more patience and waited untill a train came
and pushed her under it.
A great way of culling the anti-smokinig zealots.


>
>
>
>

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote

> I would have been more patience and waited untill a train came
> and pushed her under it.

"I would have been more patience"? FFS. Learn English, you fuckstain.

You against a 70yo woman? I'd call that even. Just as much chance that an 
"Old Biddy" would chuck you under a train, you fucking moron.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:15:46 +0100, Nine Cuts wrote:

> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote
> 
>> Ah but statistically he balck is more likely to attack up,
> 
> Want to try again?
> 
> Clue: ask Nurse to sharpen the stick attached to your head.

And plunge it in.


-- 
Any fool without the ability to share a laugh on himself 
will be unable to tolerate programming for long.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:04:54 +0100, Conor wrote:

> Spinless turd.

Oh God. Imagine if turds had spines...


-- 
He looked like Peter Fonda
and smelled like Jack Daniels

On 6 Aug 2008 20:17:09 GMT, Mike P wrote:

> Baldoni wrote:
>> Bazzer Smith expressed precisely :
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>
>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>
>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>
>> That pair of cunts should be given the "cat" and 10 years hard labour
>> and you should be flogged and dogfucked.
> 
> I think the birch would hurt more..

Depends on the size of the dog...



-- 
All we are, basically, are monkeys with car keys.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:19:36 +0100, "tim....."
 wrote:

>
>"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>
>How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>business"?
>
>tim
>
>

Oh yes - smoking in the open air is really harmful to other people -
it's time it was banned. ffs.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:04:54 +0100, Conor 
wrote:

>In article <c388e81b-9dce-438e-9a40-1e5d27e253c0
>@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, sandy58 says...
>
>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>> people's
>> business"?
>
>Irrelevent - it is illegal.


Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.

Is there a specific by-law - or can anyone designate an area as a  no
smoking area and then it becomes illegal to smoke there - eg grounds
of a hospital?

"Hot Badger Deluxe"  wrote in message 
news:1878vv0xrwc40.yo8dpzce1cmk.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:15:46 +0100, Nine Cuts wrote:
>
>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote
>>
>>> Ah but statistically he balck is more likely to attack up,
>>
>> Want to try again?
>>
>> Clue: ask Nurse to sharpen the stick attached to your head.
>
> And plunge it in.


Or better still stick it up your arse, I heard you liked that.


>
>
> -- 
> Any fool without the ability to share a laugh on himself
> will be unable to tolerate programming for long.

"mummy"  wrote

> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.

Yes.

> Is there a specific by-law - or can anyone designate an area as a  no
> smoking area and then it becomes illegal to smoke there - eg grounds
> of a hospital?

Is there a specific area where one can throw women under trains?

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:16:30 +0100, mummy wrote:

<snip>
> 
> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.

Here's a hint - is there a No Smoking sign?


-- 
To know when you have enough, is truly to be rich.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:16:30 +0100,
    mummy  wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:04:54 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
>
>>In article <c388e81b-9dce-438e-9a40-1e5d27e253c0
>>@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, sandy58 says...
>>
>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>>> people's
>>> business"?
>>
>>Irrelevent - it is illegal.
>
>
> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>
> Is there a specific by-law - or can anyone designate an area as a  no
> smoking area and then it becomes illegal to smoke there - eg grounds
> of a hospital?

Yes. Most (all?) railway stations were made non-smoking at the same time
as the smoking ban but the outside bit is only covered by railway
bylaws.

Tim.

-- 
God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t," 
and there was light.

  http://www.woodall.me.uk/    http://www.locofungus.btinternet.co.uk/

Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:04:54 +0100, Conor wrote:
>
>> Spinless turd.
>
> Oh God. Imagine if turds had spines...

Wasn't there one in Eraserhead?

-- 
the road to ruin

Nine Cuts wrote:
> "sandy58"  wrote
>
>> I think they went a bit too far but so did the old biddy.
>
> Another cunt. Is there no end?
>
> "The old biddy"?
>
> I hope your mother gets fucked by a HORSE.

It'd be more fun him getting fucked by a HORSE.

Mike p

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:27:35 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall
 wrote:

<snip>

>> Is there a specific by-law - or can anyone designate an area as a  no
>> smoking area and then it becomes illegal to smoke there - eg grounds
>> of a hospital?
>
>Yes. Most (all?) railway stations were made non-smoking at the same time
>as the smoking ban but the outside bit is only covered by railway
>bylaws.
>
>Tim.


Do you know where in the railway by-laws - I've looked and I can't
find it online.

Or is it just relying on the old:

 "No person shall smoke or carry a lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette,
match, lighter or other lighted item on any part of the railway on or
near which there is a notice indicating that smoking is not allowed."

or is there a new specific by-law?

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:29:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:16:30 +0100, mummy wrote:
>
><snip>
>> 
>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>
>Here's a hint - is there a No Smoking sign?


Are you saying that is all that is needed?

What if there isn't a sign on a particular platform - is it then
permitted there?

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:24:51 +0100, "Nine Cuts"
 wrote:

>
>"mummy"  wrote
>
>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>
>Yes.


you may be right - can you back this assertion up?

Is it a by-law?

"mummy"  wrote

>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>>
>>Yes.
>
>
> you may be right - can you back this assertion up?
>
> Is it a by-law?

Fuck knows.

I lit up the other day and the porter told me "Dude, you shouldn't smoke on 
the platform. There are plain clothes coppers who will nick you for it."

Good enough for me, but then I'm a simple chap with basic needs.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:51:23 +0100, mummy wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:29:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:16:30 +0100, mummy wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>> 
>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>>
>>Here's a hint - is there a No Smoking sign?
> 
> 
> Are you saying that is all that is needed?

If there is a no smoking sign, then you don't smoke. Is that too
complicated for you?


> What if there isn't a sign on a particular platform - is it then
> permitted there?

You know the answer - why are you asking the question?


-- 
If you must chose between two evils,
pick the one you've never tried before.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:53:24 +0100, mummy wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:24:51 +0100, "Nine Cuts"
>  wrote:
> 
>>
>>"mummy"  wrote
>>
>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>>
>>Yes.
> 
> 
> you may be right - can you back this assertion up?
> 
> Is it a by-law?

Why don't you check?


-- 
If you are a programmer, and you worry about diminishing technical
vitality with advancing years, then go and look at a program you
wrote ten years ago.

mummy  writes:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:24:51 +0100, "Nine Cuts"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"mummy"  wrote
>>
>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>>
>>Yes.
>
> you may be right - can you back this assertion up?

http://www.theticketcollector.co.uk/wordpress/2007/07/01/no-smoking-on-any-uk-station/

> Is it a by-law?

Yes.

-- 
There's one in every town

mummy  writes:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:27:35 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall
>  wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Is there a specific by-law - or can anyone designate an area as a  no
>>> smoking area and then it becomes illegal to smoke there - eg grounds
>>> of a hospital?
>>
>>Yes. Most (all?) railway stations were made non-smoking at the same time
>>as the smoking ban but the outside bit is only covered by railway
>>bylaws.
>
> Do you know where in the railway by-laws - I've looked and I can't
> find it online.
>
> Or is it just relying on the old:
>
>  "No person shall smoke or carry a lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette,
> match, lighter or other lighted item on any part of the railway on or
> near which there is a notice indicating that smoking is not allowed."

That one seems to cover it already, if there's a sign saying "No smoking
in any part of this station". And as they now do have such signs...

"While the legislation affects covered or partially-covered premises,
 the railways are using existing railway bye-laws to extend the
 smoke-free environment to all uncovered platforms and footbridges for
 reasons of practicality and simplicity."

From: http://www.atoc-comms.org/dynamic/dynamic/atoc-press-story/997806/End-of-the-Line-for-Smoking-on-The-Railways 

-- 
I've never gotten used to it, I've just learned to turn it off

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:44:53 +0100, Bazzer Smith wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm

"Officers are trying to establish what the men did after the attack."

Had another fag, I expect.

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" 
wrote:

>
>"tim....."  wrote in message 
>news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>
>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>
>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>
>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>> business"?
>
>It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>You can't do it to blacks amy more.

So you're upset that drug addicts are being victimised instead?

All you need to do to become a normal human is stop being a druggie
and throw your ciggies away.

Svenne

"mummy"  wrote in message
news:9t6k94d5ufb1cpkim9tnbo6d3mjlvkeako@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:27:35 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall
>  wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Is there a specific by-law - or can anyone designate an area as a  no
>>> smoking area and then it becomes illegal to smoke there - eg grounds
>>> of a hospital?
>>
>>Yes. Most (all?) railway stations were made non-smoking at the same time
>>as the smoking ban but the outside bit is only covered by railway
>>bylaws.
>>
>>Tim.
>
>
> Do you know where in the railway by-laws - I've looked and I can't
> find it online.
>
> Or is it just relying on the old:
>
Start here maybe
http://www.atoc-comms.org/dynamic/dynamic/atoc-press-story/997806/End-of-the-Line-for-Smoking-on-The-Railways

And here although maybe not relevent to england
http://www.psni.police.uk/railway-bye-law.pdf

-- 
Chris, (on tour)
Intellect is invisible to the man who has none.
Schopenhauer

"mummy"  wrote in message 
news:a27k9452fn5svoklm02npqavpta3ue84es@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:29:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:16:30 +0100, mummy wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>
>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>>
>>Here's a hint - is there a No Smoking sign?
>
>
> Are you saying that is all that is needed?
>
> What if there isn't a sign on a particular platform - is it then
> permitted there?

You may also wish to take a copy of the Railway Bye-laws which are available 
from the Office of Public Sector Information website.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1993/Ukpga_19930043_en_4.htm#mdiv129

-- 
Chris, (on tour)
Intellect is invisible to the man who has none.
Schopenhauer

tim..... wrote:
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
> 
> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
> business"?

I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.


-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Nine Cuts wrote:
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote
> 
>> I would have been more patience and waited untill a train came
>> and pushed her under it.
> 
> "I would have been more patience"? FFS. Learn English, you fuckstain.
> 
> You against a 70yo woman? I'd call that even. Just as much chance that an 
> "Old Biddy" would chuck you under a train, you fucking moron.

That's inflation for you, last time I heard it she was 58.
-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Svenne wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" 
> wrote:
> 
>> "tim....."  wrote in message 
>> news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>
>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>
>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>>> business"?
>> It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>> You can't do it to blacks amy more.
> 
> So you're upset that drug addicts are being victimised instead?
> 
> All you need to do to become a normal human is stop being a druggie
> and throw your ciggies away.
> 
> Svenne

Last week my wife was in that part of the country and was on a bus in 
the north west Kent area. A woman came down the stairs and spoke to the 
driver, before plonking herself down next to my wife, saying, "There's a 
guy upstairs smoking. I've told the driver but I bet he does bugger all 
about it."  Another passenger complained, but still the bus carried on 
with nothing being done.

My wife was quite indignant about it, but I did explain to her that if a 
druggie was in that desperate for a fix it is highly unlikely that a 
request from the bus driver would be heeded and, indeed, it is far more 
likely that the bus driver would be attacked for daring to mention it. 
In such circumstances, I asked, how many of the passengers did she think 
would go to the aid of the bus driver?

She did concede that it could have been a problem and, when yesterday's 
news appeared, actually linked the two incidents.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

mummy wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:29:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:16:30 +0100, mummy wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>> Here's a hint - is there a No Smoking sign?
> 
> 
> Are you saying that is all that is needed?
> 
> What if there isn't a sign on a particular platform - is it then
> permitted there?

Usually there is a sign at the entrance to the station premises which 
states that "Smoking is not permitted in this station", which is usually 
backed up by signs, which have pictures for those who can't read, on the 
platforms.

Yesterday on two open to the air stations, Nailsea and Backwell in 
Somerset and Cosford in Shropshire, I observed such signs, as well as at 
Birmingham New Street.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

mummy wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:24:51 +0100, "Nine Cuts"
>  wrote:
> 
>> "mummy"  wrote
>>
>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>> Yes.
> 
> 
> you may be right - can you back this assertion up?
> 
> Is it a by-law?

I think its classed as a place of work, being National Rail property 
where some people work. Some of the time.

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 at 17:44:53, Bazzer Smith  wrote in 
uk.legal :

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>
>Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>
>That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>her nose out of othr people businss.

Are you familiar with the term 'overkill'?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 at 22:47:03, mummy  wrote in 
uk.legal :
>
> "No person shall smoke or carry a lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette,
>match, lighter or other lighted item on any part of the railway on or
>near which there is a notice indicating that smoking is not allowed."

Never mind all the dirty smelly trains, of course... :)
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 at 21:38:18, Bazzer Smith  wrote in 
uk.legal :

>
>"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>
>I would have been more patience and waited untill a train came
>and pushed her under it.
>A great way of culling the anti-smokinig zealots.
>
Yet you had the cheek to accuse *me* of injustice in the '3 Strikes' 
thread!

At least I'd grant the accused a fair trial first.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

"Paul Hyett" <pah@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:NmpKDrhGirmIFwYv@blueyonder.co.uk...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 at 22:47:03, mummy  wrote in uk.legal 
> :
>>
>> "No person shall smoke or carry a lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette,
>>match, lighter or other lighted item on any part of the railway on or
>>near which there is a notice indicating that smoking is not allowed."
>
> Never mind all the dirty smelly trains, of course... :)

:-)
I've always eondered how anyone with a straight face could tell someone to 
stop smoking next to a clagging HST!!

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:56:55 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:51:23 +0100, mummy wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:29:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:16:30 +0100, mummy wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>> 
>>>> Is it actually illegal to smoke in the open air on a train station.
>>>
>>>Here's a hint - is there a No Smoking sign?
>> 
>> 
>> Are you saying that is all that is needed?
>
>If there is a no smoking sign, then you don't smoke. Is that too
>complicated for you?
>
>
>> What if there isn't a sign on a particular platform - is it then
>> permitted there?
>
>You know the answer - why are you asking the question?


Perhaps you can advise on now Bus Stations - my local Bus Station has
a sign which says  "Smoking is not allowed in this bus station".

Now with your fine legal mind - would I be breaking the law if I were
to smoke in the open air in that bus-station?  Does this sign have any
legal standing whatsoever?

I smoke there regularly and ignore any jobsworth (or rabid passenger)
who tells me not to.

Are you a rabid non-smoker?

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:27:49 +0100, mummy wrote:

<snip>

> Perhaps you can advise on now Bus Stations - my local Bus Station has
> a sign which says  "Smoking is not allowed in this bus station".
> 
> Now with your fine legal mind - would I be breaking the law if I were
> to smoke in the open air in that bus-station?  Does this sign have any
> legal standing whatsoever?

It's private property.
 
> I smoke there regularly and ignore any jobsworth (or rabid passenger)
> who tells me not to.

How sweet.

> Are you a rabid non-smoker?

No. Are you a rabid smoker?


-- 
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost;
you can still call him vile names.

"mummy"  wrote in message 
news:70nl94lbcst45jrrc4mu4b3pu8um5omg8m@4ax.com...
>
> Perhaps you can advise on now Bus Stations - my local Bus Station has
> a sign which says  "Smoking is not allowed in this bus station".
>
> Now with your fine legal mind - would I be breaking the law if I were
> to smoke in the open air in that bus-station?  Does this sign have any
> legal standing whatsoever?
>
There may well be by-laws which prohibit smoking, which would make it 
illegal.

> I smoke there regularly and ignore any jobsworth (or rabid passenger)
> who tells me not to.
>
Then they can call the police to make yoou leave.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" , in
message ID <E9mmk.36536$8w4.15451@newsfe30.ams2>, in the newsgroup
uk.legal wrote:

>It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>You can't do it to blacks amy more.

So even if she is a nosey old bint who should mind her own business,
there's a world of difference between telling her to pee off and
nearly electrocuting her.
I think it's known as "sense of proportion".

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:44:26 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:27:49 +0100, mummy wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Perhaps you can advise on now Bus Stations - my local Bus Station has
>> a sign which says  "Smoking is not allowed in this bus station".
>> 
>> Now with your fine legal mind - would I be breaking the law if I were
>> to smoke in the open air in that bus-station?  Does this sign have any
>> legal standing whatsoever?
>
>It's private property.

So you don't know the answer to the question I asked.

(Railways are also private property - so what?)

--   
you can either promote cycling or promote helmets,
the two are incompatible. (Guy Chapman)

"®i©ardo"  wrote in message 
news:dIymk.227925$oo.149448@newsfe09.ams2...
> Svenne wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "tim....."  wrote in message 
>>> news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>
>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>>>> business"?
>>> It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>>> You can't do it to blacks amy more.
>>
>> So you're upset that drug addicts are being victimised instead?
>>
>> All you need to do to become a normal human is stop being a druggie
>> and throw your ciggies away.
>>
>> Svenne
>
> Last week my wife was in that part of the country and was on a bus in the 
> north west Kent area. A woman came down the stairs and spoke to the 
> driver, before plonking herself down next to my wife, saying, "There's a 
> guy upstairs smoking. I've told the driver but I bet he does bugger all 
> about it."  Another passenger complained, but still the bus carried on 
> with nothing being done.
>
> My wife was quite indignant about it, but I did explain to her that if a 
> druggie was in that desperate for a fix it is highly unlikely that a 
> request from the bus driver would be heeded and, indeed, it is far more 
> likely that the bus driver would be attacked for daring to mention it. In 
> such circumstances, I asked, how many of the passengers did she think 
> would go to the aid of the bus driver?
>
> She did concede that it could have been a problem and, when yesterday's 
> news appeared, actually linked the two incidents.

Smoker have a right for a  provision to be made for their legal habit.
>
> -- 
> Moving things in still pictures!

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright 
wrote:

>tim..... wrote:
>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>
>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>
>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>> 
>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>> business"?
>
>I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.


Ah yes the classic answer.

His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he did.

Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle -
or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:29 +0100, judith wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:44:26 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:27:49 +0100, mummy wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> Perhaps you can advise on now Bus Stations - my local Bus Station has
>>> a sign which says  "Smoking is not allowed in this bus station".
>>> 
>>> Now with your fine legal mind - would I be breaking the law if I were
>>> to smoke in the open air in that bus-station?  Does this sign have any
>>> legal standing whatsoever?
>>
>>It's private property.
> 
> So you don't know the answer to the question I asked.

Strawman.

> (Railways are also private property - so what?)

So the owner can decide what is allowed on their property.


-- 
Women dress alike all over the world: they dress to be annoying
to other women.

judith  writes:

> (Railways are also private property - so what?)

They have their own by-laws, and police force, that's what.

-- 
one afternoon, long ago

Bazzer Smith wrote:
> "®i©ardo"  wrote in message 
> news:dIymk.227925$oo.149448@newsfe09.ams2...
>> Svenne wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "tim....."  wrote in message 
>>>> news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>>>>> business"?
>>>> It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>>>> You can't do it to blacks amy more.
>>> So you're upset that drug addicts are being victimised instead?
>>>
>>> All you need to do to become a normal human is stop being a druggie
>>> and throw your ciggies away.
>>>
>>> Svenne
>> Last week my wife was in that part of the country and was on a bus in the 
>> north west Kent area. A woman came down the stairs and spoke to the 
>> driver, before plonking herself down next to my wife, saying, "There's a 
>> guy upstairs smoking. I've told the driver but I bet he does bugger all 
>> about it."  Another passenger complained, but still the bus carried on 
>> with nothing being done.
>>
>> My wife was quite indignant about it, but I did explain to her that if a 
>> druggie was in that desperate for a fix it is highly unlikely that a 
>> request from the bus driver would be heeded and, indeed, it is far more 
>> likely that the bus driver would be attacked for daring to mention it. In 
>> such circumstances, I asked, how many of the passengers did she think 
>> would go to the aid of the bus driver?
>>
>> She did concede that it could have been a problem and, when yesterday's 
>> news appeared, actually linked the two incidents.
> 
> Smoker have a right for a  provision to be made for their legal habit.
>> -- 
>> Moving things in still pictures! 
> 
> 
Not when it's in an enclosed area and/or to the detriment of people who 
aren't druggies! If you're that desperate you should get off the bus, 
and you then have every right to kill yourself without involving others.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

gregg wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> tim..... wrote:
>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>
>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>
>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>
>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>>> people's business"?
>>
>> I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.
>
>
> Ah yes the classic answer.
>
> His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he did.
>
> Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle -
> or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.

He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from tobacco 
smoke.

"®i©ardo"  wrote in message 
news:n1Dmk.80090$dz3.43169@newsfe20.ams2...
> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>> "®i©ardo"  wrote in message 
>> news:dIymk.227925$oo.149448@newsfe09.ams2...
>>> Svenne wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "tim....."  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:6fu89hFdgdgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other 
>>>>>> people's business"?
>>>>> It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>>>>> You can't do it to blacks amy more.
>>>> So you're upset that drug addicts are being victimised instead?
>>>>
>>>> All you need to do to become a normal human is stop being a druggie
>>>> and throw your ciggies away.
>>>>
>>>> Svenne
>>> Last week my wife was in that part of the country and was on a bus in 
>>> the north west Kent area. A woman came down the stairs and spoke to the 
>>> driver, before plonking herself down next to my wife, saying, "There's a 
>>> guy upstairs smoking. I've told the driver but I bet he does bugger all 
>>> about it."  Another passenger complained, but still the bus carried on 
>>> with nothing being done.
>>>
>>> My wife was quite indignant about it, but I did explain to her that if a 
>>> druggie was in that desperate for a fix it is highly unlikely that a 
>>> request from the bus driver would be heeded and, indeed, it is far more 
>>> likely that the bus driver would be attacked for daring to mention it. 
>>> In such circumstances, I asked, how many of the passengers did she think 
>>> would go to the aid of the bus driver?
>>>
>>> She did concede that it could have been a problem and, when yesterday's 
>>> news appeared, actually linked the two incidents.
>>
>> Smoker have a right for a  provision to be made for their legal habit.
>>> -- 
>>> Moving things in still pictures!
>>
>>
> Not when it's in an enclosed area and/or to the detriment of people who 
> aren't druggies! If you're that desperate you should get off the bus, and 
> you then have every right to kill yourself without involving others.

That's fine, I am quite happy to have smokers only buses.

Got a problem with that sunshine?

>
> -- 
> Moving things in still pictures!

"Paul"  wrote in message 
news:iurl94hac4ctefdrb1ceh412qdf7pchkrd@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" , in
> message ID <E9mmk.36536$8w4.15451@newsfe30.ams2>, in the newsgroup
> uk.legal wrote:
>
>>It's all aout victimising a minority group.
>>You can't do it to blacks amy more.
>
> So even if she is a nosey old bint who should mind her own business,
> there's a world of difference between telling her to pee off and
> nearly electrocuting her.
> I think it's known as "sense of proportion".

Smoking bans in the open airshowno sense of proportion,
Why should the fine young gentleme who introduced her
to the track be any difernet

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:dvednQgu-4ZqYAfVnZ2dnUVZ8uednZ2d@bt.com...
> gregg wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> tim..... wrote:
>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>
>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>>
>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>>>> people's business"?
>>>
>>> I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.
>>
>>
>> Ah yes the classic answer.
>>
>> His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he did.
>>
>> Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle -
>> or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.
>
> He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from tobacco 
> smoke.

Rubbish, there is no such cancer.
Prove it!!
>
>

Bazzer Smith wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> news:dvednQgu-4ZqYAfVnZ2dnUVZ8uednZ2d@bt.com...
>> gregg wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> tim..... wrote:
>>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>>>>> people's business"?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah yes the classic answer.
>>>
>>> His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he
>>> did. Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle
>>> - or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.
>>
>> He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from
>> tobacco smoke.
>
> Rubbish, there is no such cancer.

Evidence?

> Prove it!!

You're asserting that there's no such cancer so you prove it.

gregg wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright 
> wrote:
> 
>> tim..... wrote:
>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>
>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>
>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other people's 
>>> business"?
>> I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.
> 
> 
> Ah yes the classic answer.
> 
> His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he did.
> 
> Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle -
> or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.

Not as such but for someone to have died of lung cancer - and never 
having smoked in his life - makes the whole thing suspicious.

I know, I have to "run the gauntlet" of about 30 people smoking outside 
our tobacco free premises every morning when I go to work. I've learned 
to hold my breath, its as bad as it used to be on the train in the days 
when they had one smoking carriage.

It wasn't just his wife who said that he died of secondary smoke, he 
said it himself. Since he lived for 2.5 years after he was diagnosed 
with lung cancer he had lots of chances so to do. What she did was 
campaign for the smoking ban which we now have.


-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Bazzer Smith wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:dvednQgu-4ZqYAfVnZ2dnUVZ8uednZ2d@bt.com...
>> gregg wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> tim..... wrote:
>>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>>>>> people's business"?
>>>> I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.
>>>
>>> Ah yes the classic answer.
>>>
>>> His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he did.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle -
>>> or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.
>> He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from tobacco 
>> smoke.
> 
> Rubbish, there is no such cancer.
> Prove it!!

I trust you can point to some other cause of lung cancer. The only one I 
can think of is related to coal mining, and he never did that.
-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

"John Wright"  wrote in message 
news:-dWdnZ-The9VlwbVnZ2dnUVZ8tfinZ2d@pipex.net...
> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
>> news:dvednQgu-4ZqYAfVnZ2dnUVZ8uednZ2d@bt.com...
>>> gregg wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> tim..... wrote:
>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:_xkmk.89901$uq4.295@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>>>>>> people's business"?
>>>>> I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.
>>>>
>>>> Ah yes the classic answer.
>>>>
>>>> His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he did.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle -
>>>> or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.
>>> He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from tobacco 
>>> smoke.
>>
>> Rubbish, there is no such cancer.
>> Prove it!!
>
> I trust you can point to some other cause of lung cancer. The only one I 
> can think of is related to coal mining, and he never did that.
>
Asbestos but that causes another specific form of cancer in the lung, 
mesothelioma, the type he had is generally agreed to be caused by tobacco 
smoke. (Except by pro smokers)

-- 
Chris, (on tour)
Intellect is invisible to the man who has none.
Schopenhauer

Bazzer Smith laid this down on his screen :
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
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>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>
>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>
>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>
> I would have been more patience and waited untill a train came
> and pushed her under it.
> A great way of culling the anti-smokinig zealots.
>
What are the fags called that are killing you Smith ?  There might be a 
chance that I could buy some of their shares.

-- 
Count Baldoni

"Nine Cuts"  wrote in message 
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> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote
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>> Ah but statistically he balck is more likely to attack up,
>
> Want to try again?
>
> Clue: ask Nurse to sharpen the stick attached to your head.
>
>
Or reduce the amount of chlorpromazine

Steve Terry

John Wright wrote:

> I trust you can point to some other cause of lung cancer. 

How about Genetic factors, Radon gas, Asbestos and air pollution.
Of course all this doesn't mean Mr Castle "got" lung Cancer due to 
"secondary smoking" but it does show that there are lots of other causes.


-- 
'S rioghal mo dhream
www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
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>>>> Svenne wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:35:27 +0100, "Bazzer Smith" 
>>>>> wrote:
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>> Not when it's in an enclosed area and/or to the detriment of people who 
>> aren't druggies! If you're that desperate you should get off the bus, and 
>> you then have every right to kill yourself without involving others.
>
> That's fine, I am quite happy to have smokers only buses.
> Got a problem with that sunshine?
>
Unless the driver had breathing apparatus you'd be poisoning him

I'm all for Smoker only buses, especially on the Brighton&Hove
number 13 route to Beachy Head, only non stopping.

Steve Terry

Cerumen wrote:
> "John Wright"  wrote in message 
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>> Bazzer Smith wrote:
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>>>> gregg wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:28:14 +0100, John Wright 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> tim..... wrote:
>>>>>>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7544748.stm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well done lads I would like to personoall buy you both  a drink.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That should teach the interfering old bint to keep
>>>>>>>> her nose out of othr people businss.
>>>>>>> How is doing something (which I think is) harmful to me "other
>>>>>>> people's business"?
>>>>>> I don't think you need to think to much - remember Roy Castle.
>>>>> Ah yes the classic answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> His wife said that he died from secondary smoking - therefore he did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you can point us to any scientific evidence that Roy Castle -
>>>>> or indeed anyone else  - has died from secondary smoking.
>>>> He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from tobacco 
>>>> smoke.
>>> Rubbish, there is no such cancer.
>>> Prove it!!
>> I trust you can point to some other cause of lung cancer. The only one I 
>> can think of is related to coal mining, and he never did that.
>>
> Asbestos but that causes another specific form of cancer in the lung, 
> mesothelioma, the type he had is generally agreed to be caused by tobacco 
> smoke. (Except by pro smokers)

I didn't include this since the medical indications are quite different. 
  You can also get lung cancer from radon exposure - very area specific 
this one, note for Duhg, not related to nuclear power stations - or 
pollution - you can have that one Duhg.

Its reckoned that one way or another around *80%* of cases are smoking 
related. As they say: "Prevention is the most cost-effective means of 
fighting lung cancer" and the way to prevent it is to ban smoking.

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

soup wrote:
> John Wright wrote:
> 
>> I trust you can point to some other cause of lung cancer. 
> 
> How about Genetic factors, Radon gas, Asbestos and air pollution.
> Of course all this doesn't mean Mr Castle "got" lung Cancer due to 
> "secondary smoking" but it does show that there are lots of other causes.

Not "lots of" - a few. And as I've said at least *80%* of cases of lung 
cancer are smoking related. Probably more than that TBH.

You've been reading Wikipedia I see...

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

John Wright wrote:
> soup wrote:
>> John Wright wrote:
>>> I trust you can point to some other cause of lung cancer. 
>> How about Genetic factors, Radon gas, Asbestos and air pollution.
>> Of course all this doesn't mean Mr Castle "got" lung Cancer due to 
>> "secondary smoking" but it does show that there are lots of other causes. 
> Not "lots of" - a few. And as I've said at least *80%* of cases of lung 
> cancer are smoking related. Probably more than that TBH. 

   The OP implied that there was no other cause of LC I was stating this 
wasn't true it may be the most prevalent but it is not the only. Then 
it's semantics whether you regard four as "lots" or "a few".

 > You've been reading Wikipedia I see...

For "quick and dirty" it suffices if I really cared about different 
forms/causes of lung cancer (rather than lung cancer itself)would do 
lots of research not just using wikipedia.
-- 
'S rioghal mo dhream
www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk

"John Wright"  wrote in message 
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> Its reckoned that one way or another around *80%* of cases are smoking 
> related. As they say: "Prevention is the most cost-effective means of 
> fighting lung cancer" and the way to prevent it is to ban smoking.
>
Agree  although not a lover of nanny state type rulings in general and if 
people wish to commit slow suicide at home they should be able to but not in 
public.


-- 
Chris, (on tour)
Intellect is invisible to the man who has none.
Schopenhauer

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:51:58 +0100, "Brimstone"
 wrote:

>He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from tobacco 
>smoke. 

There is no such thing.

-- 
Cynic

Cerumen wrote:
> "John Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:Y6ednU5qIKIxjAbVRVnyhgA@pipex.net...
>> Its reckoned that one way or another around *80%* of cases are smoking 
>> related. As they say: "Prevention is the most cost-effective means of 
>> fighting lung cancer" and the way to prevent it is to ban smoking.
>>
> Agree  although not a lover of nanny state type rulings in general and if 
> people wish to commit slow suicide at home they should be able to but not in 
> public.

I'm with you there. I'm not a lover of nanny state rulings either, but 
smoking isn't good for anyone  - especially the people who do it. We've 
known that for a long time, since 1950 to be exact.

The problem here is that there is a *huge* and very powerful tobacco 
lobby so in a sense the nanny state rulings are the only available 
counterweight to that. This has been shown many times with the court 
cases in the USA.

As was recently shown on TV in a program made by Duncan Bannatyne they 
are now working hard to expand their market (at the cost of people's 
health and shortening people's lives) in Africa as we speak.

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

soup wrote:
> John Wright wrote:
>> soup wrote:
>>> John Wright wrote:
>>>> I trust you can point to some other cause of lung cancer. 
>>> How about Genetic factors, Radon gas, Asbestos and air pollution.
>>> Of course all this doesn't mean Mr Castle "got" lung Cancer due to 
>>> "secondary smoking" but it does show that there are lots of other 
>>> causes. 
>> Not "lots of" - a few. And as I've said at least *80%* of cases of 
>> lung cancer are smoking related. Probably more than that TBH. 
> 
>   The OP implied that there was no other cause of LC I was stating this 
> wasn't true it may be the most prevalent but it is not the only. Then 
> it's semantics whether you regard four as "lots" or "a few".

If you went over a dozen I'd probably say that was lots of.

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Cynic wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:51:58 +0100, "Brimstone"
>  wrote:
> 
>> He died from a form of cancer which can only be developed from tobacco 
>> smoke. 
> 
> There is no such thing.

As what? Tobacco smoke? Its been agreed that there are probably five 
causes of lung cancer recognised as lung cancer, but over 80% of those 
are caused by smoking.

In a strict sense, if you mean there is no form of cancer which can be 
developed from tobacco smoke you have a point.



-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

In article , 
john@pegasus.f2s.com says...
> 
> I know, I have to "run the gauntlet" of about 30 people smoking outside 
> our tobacco free premises every morning when I go to work. I've learned 
> to hold my breath, its as bad as it used to be on the train in the days 
> when they had one smoking carriage.
> 

Aren't there supposed to be rules about how far from the door smoking is 
allowed. I was under that impression, not that I require a law to prevent 
me from being a pain in the arse to non-smokers since I am neither a 
moron nor a twat (at least not in that respect).

What you should ask "the management" for is a decent size outdoor ashtray 
to be placed outside of the building a few metres away from the doors, 
and then to institute a get tough policy on people