Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eagran104.xml

Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and 
emulate this lady.

In message , Brimstone 
 writes
>Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eagran104.xml
>
>Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>emulate this lady.

Actually, that second pic looks a bit like Duhg with long hair and 
boobs.

I really need to go get some mind bleach now. :-/


-- 
Ed Banger

Brimstone wrote:
> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eagran104.xml
> 
> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and 
> emulate this lady.

This is called walking the walk - unlike the talking the talk Duhg does...

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>
> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> emulate this lady.

Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
doing so yourself, hypocrite?

--
Carfree Cities
http://www.carfree.com/
Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
and public transport.

Doug wrote:
> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>
>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>> emulate this lady.
> 
> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> doing so yourself, hypocrite?
> 
> --
> Carfree Cities
> http://www.carfree.com/
> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
> and public transport.
> 
> 

Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.


-- 
Tony the Dragon

Doug wrote:
> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>
>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>> emulate this lady.
>
> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> doing so yourself, hypocrite?

The differences are that I don't do it almost every day and I mark such 
threads as being off topic.

Now, what's your opinion of this lady's efforts?

On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> >> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>
> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>
> >> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> >> emulate this lady.
>
> > Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> > doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>
> > --
> > Carfree Cities
> >http://www.carfree.com/
> > Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
> > and public transport.
>
> Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>
My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
much better than they really are.

Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
guesses?

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug wrote:
> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>
>>>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically)
>>>> and emulate this lady.
>>
>>> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
>>> doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>>
>>> --
>>> Carfree Cities
>>> http://www.carfree.com/
>>> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking,
>>> cycling and public transport.
>>
>> Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>>
> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
> much better than they really are.
>
> Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
> guesses?

There's a supermarket in the village, so, just a wild guess mind, she walks.

Isn't this a typical Doug reaction? Rather than appplaud this lady for 
achieving that which Doug says he wants everyone to, he has to pour scorn 
and doubt on her efforts.

A truly sick man.

Doug wrote:
> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>>>> emulate this lady.
>>> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
>>> doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>>> --
>>> Carfree Cities
>>> http://www.carfree.com/
>>> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
>>> and public transport.
>> Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>>
> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
> much better than they really are.
> 
> Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
> guesses?
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Maybe she does it in the same way as you "claim" to do? At least she's 
not driven by ugliness.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

Doug wrote:
> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>
>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>> emulate this lady.
>
> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> doing so yourself, hypocrite?

Why don't you answer the fucking question instead of changing the subject?

Mike

On 5 Jul, 08:26, Doug  wrote:
> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>
> > Doug wrote:
> > > On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> > >> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>
> > >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>
> > >> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> > >> emulate this lady.
>
> > > Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> > > doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>
> > > --
> > > Carfree Cities
> > >http://www.carfree.com/
> > > Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
> > > and public transport.
>
> > Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>
> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash.

So no "Well done that lady". Instead you slag her off.

> I think it a great shame that
> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
> much better than they really are.

Like you?
HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
> guesses?

"I hardly buy anything from supermarkets as I grow my own veg.

I suspect the amount she buys, she could easily walk, or even cycle
without needing a trailer.


Do you hate her because she is greener than your, and make you look
bad?
or because she is fit and healthy when you are not?
or because she is not a "vegan" like you?
or is there another reason?

John Wright  wrote:

> Brimstone wrote:
> > Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
> > 
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eagran
> > 104.xml
> > 
> > Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> > emulate this lady.
> 
> This is called walking the walk - unlike the talking the talk Duhg does...

How odd, she lives fairly close to where I live and has adopted the same
measures to make her home carbon neutral. And how unsurprising that Doug
"I do nothing to improve the carbin footprint of my home" Bollen should
spit out his venom at this woman for setting an example that he will not
follow.

I pay an extra £200 a year for my electricity to ensure that it is
produced from hydro electricity. Doug buys his from the cheapest,
dirtiest producer.  That shows just how deep his commitment goes.

Mike P  wrote:

> Doug wrote:
> > On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> >> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
> >>
> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
> >>
> >> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> >> emulate this lady.
> >
> > Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> > doing so yourself, hypocrite?
> 
> Why don't you answer the fucking question instead of changing the subject?

Because he has no answer. He lives a polluting lifestyle in a polluted
city. He makes no attempt to live to the standards that he wishes to
impose on others.

In message <1ijm0x8.1g7fbq01l93gzpN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth 
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>John Wright  wrote:
>
>> Brimstone wrote:
>> > Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>> >
>> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eagran
>> > 104.xml
>> >
>> > Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>> > emulate this lady.
>>
>> This is called walking the walk - unlike the talking the talk Duhg does...
>
>How odd, she lives fairly close to where I live and has adopted the same
>measures to make her home carbon neutral. And how unsurprising that Doug
>"I do nothing to improve the carbin footprint of my home" Bollen should
>spit out his venom at this woman for setting an example that he will not
>follow.
>
>I pay an extra £200 a year for my electricity to ensure that it is
>produced from hydro electricity. Doug buys his from the cheapest,
>dirtiest producer.  That shows just how deep his commitment goes.

Duhg lives by the Bollenist creed: "Do as I say, not as I do."


-- 
Ed Banger

On 5 Jul, 08:26, Doug  wrote:
> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug wrote:
> > > On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> > >> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>
> > >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>
> > >> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> > >> emulate this lady.
>
> > > Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> > > doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>
> > > --
> > > Carfree Cities
> > >http://www.carfree.com/
> > > Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
> > > and public transport.
>
> > Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>
> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
> much better than they really are.
>
> Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
> guesses?

So let me get this straight.  If someone doesn't do anything to reduce
their environmental impact, you attack them (as evidenced by your
rantings on this group).  And if someone does something to reduce
their environmental impact ... you attack them.

The day you die, Gollum, will be a happy one indeed.

BrianW wrote:
> On 5 Jul, 08:26, Doug  wrote:
>> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>>>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>>>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>>>>> emulate this lady.
>>>> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
>>>> doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>>>> --
>>>> Carfree Cities
>>>> http://www.carfree.com/
>>>> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
>>>> and public transport.
>>> Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
>> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
>> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
>> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
>> much better than they really are.
>>
>> Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
>> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
>> guesses?
> 
> So let me get this straight.  If someone doesn't do anything to reduce
> their environmental impact, you attack them (as evidenced by your
> rantings on this group).  And if someone does something to reduce
> their environmental impact ... you attack them.
> 
> The day you die, Gollum, will be a happy one indeed.

For all people, green or otherwise.
-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

On 5 Jul, 17:13, John Wright  wrote:
> BrianW wrote:
> > On 5 Jul, 08:26, Doug  wrote:
> >> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
> >>> Doug wrote:
> >>>> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> >>>>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
> >>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
> >>>>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> >>>>> emulate this lady.
> >>>> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
> >>>> doing so yourself, hypocrite?
> >>>> --
> >>>> Carfree Cities
> >>>>http://www.carfree.com/
> >>>> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
> >>>> and public transport.
> >>> Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
> >> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
> >> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
> >> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
> >> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
> >> much better than they really are.
>
> >> Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
> >> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
> >> guesses?
>
> > So let me get this straight. �If someone doesn't do anything to reduce
> > their environmental impact, you attack them (as evidenced by your
> > rantings on this group). �And if someone does something to reduce
> > their environmental impact ... you attack them.
>
> > The day you die, Gollum, will be a happy one indeed.
>
> For all people, green or otherwise.

Quite - I think we should campaign for a national holiday to celebrate
the day the old turd finally turns his toes up.

On 5 Jul, 15:07, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> John Wright  wrote:
> > Brimstone wrote:
> > > Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>
> > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eagran
> > > 104.xml
>
> > > Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
> > > emulate this lady.
>
> > This is called walking the walk - unlike the talking the talk Duhg does> How odd, she lives fairly close to where I live and has adopted the same
> measures to make her home carbon neutral. And how unsurprising that Doug
> "I do nothing to improve the carbin footprint of my home" Bollen should
> spit out his venom at this woman for setting an example that he will not
> follow.
>
> I pay an extra �200 a year for my electricity to ensure that it is
> produced from hydro electricity. Doug buys his from the cheapest,
> dirtiest producer. �That shows just how deep his commitment goes.

AOL.

This episode (others like it) gives an interesting insight into
Gollum's "mind".  Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted
that he views any disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you
post a link, if you have it?).  When people do agree with him,
however, he twists and turns in order to find a reason to disagree
with them.

This shows that he is one seriously fucked up old turd.  How does
someone end up like that?

In message 
, 
BrianW  writes
>On 5 Jul, 17:13, John Wright  wrote:
>> BrianW wrote:
>> > So let me get this straight. 0 >> > their environmental impact, you attack them (as evidenced by your
>> > rantings on this group). 0 >> > their environmental impact ... you attack them.
>>
>> > The day you die, Gollum, will be a happy one indeed.
>>
>> For all people, green or otherwise.
>
>Quite - I think we should campaign for a national holiday to celebrate
>the day the old turd finally turns his toes up.

I predict that a cemetery somewhere near Catford is going to have a 
small dancefloor...


-- 
Ed Banger

Ed Banger wrote:
> In message
> ,
> BrianW  writes
>> On 5 Jul, 17:13, John Wright  wrote:
>>> BrianW wrote:
>>>> So let me get this straight. 0 >> > their environmental impact,
>>>> you attack them (as evidenced by your rantings on this group). 0
>>>> >> > their environmental impact ... you attack them.
>>>
>>>> The day you die, Gollum, will be a happy one indeed.
>>>
>>> For all people, green or otherwise.
>>
>> Quite - I think we should campaign for a national holiday to
>> celebrate the day the old turd finally turns his toes up.
>
> I predict that a cemetery somewhere near Catford is going to have a
> small dancefloor...

If "small" means "can accommodate circa 7.5 million people plus visitors" 
then yes it will be small.

BrianW  wrote:

> This episode (others like it) gives an interesting insight into
> Gollum's "mind".  Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted
> that he views any disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you
> post a link, if you have it?). 

I'll see if I can find the link. I really don't obsessively archive all
the examples of the old turd's hypocrisy.

BrianW  wrote:

> Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
> disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a link, if you
> have it?).

AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk

Doug wrote:
> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>>>> emulate this lady.
>>> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
>>> doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>>> --
>>> Carfree Cities
>>> http://www.carfree.com/
>>> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
>>> and public transport.
>> Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>>
> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
> much better than they really are.
> 
> Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
> guesses?
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Right, so no 'she's done rather well & should be congratulated' then.
Why am I not surprised.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 6 Jul, 04:23, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> BrianW  wrote:
> > Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
> > disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a link, if you
> > have it?).
>
> AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk

Thanks.  Was he forced to give this apology, on pain of being expelled
from the group or something?

On 6 Jul, 00:35, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> BrianW  wrote:
> > This episode (others like it) gives an interesting insight into
> > Gollum's "mind". �Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted
> > that he views any disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you
> > post a link, if you have it?).
>
> I'll see if I can find the link. I really don't obsessively archive all
> the examples of the old turd's hypocrisy.

I'm sure you don't!  Like me, though, I think you have a good memory
and can remember roughly what was said and when.  Which gives one
something of an advantage over Gollum, who has forgotten by the end of
a post what he wrote at the beginning.

Steve Firth wrote:
> BrianW  wrote:
>
>> Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
>> disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a link, if
>> you have it?).
>
> AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk

Very interesting, thanks for that.

The part about not realising that an NG doesn't function like a real group 
tells much about his attitude. The fact that he treats anyone different to 
him as a group to be attacked is also revealed in that missive. What a shame 
he's forgotten the lesson and is thus doomed to repeat it, as he is here.

In message , Tony Dragon 
 writes
>Doug wrote:
>> On 5 Jul, 08:12, Tony Dragon  wrote:
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> On 4 Jul, 17:54, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>>>> Just how eco friendly are you really Doug?
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/04/eag...
>>>>> Let's see you put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically) and
>>>>> emulate this lady.
>>>> Why do you blame me for posting off topic threads when you keep on
>>>> doing so yourself, hypocrite?
>>>> --
>>>> Carfree Cities
>>>> http://www.carfree.com/
>>>> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling
>>>> and public transport.
>>> Even so it would be nice to hear your opinion.
>>>
>> My opinion is this is just another example of 'virtually zero carbon
>> output' aka 'carbon neutral' greenwash. I think it a great shame that
>> people who do make something of an effort to reduce their energy
>> consumption and pollution have to try to pretend that they are very
>> much better than they really are.
>>  Interesting that it doesn't say how she gets to the supermarkets,
>> living as she does in 'the tiny West Sussex parish of Steyning'. Any
>> guesses?
>>  --
>> World Carfree Network
>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>>
>Right, so no 'she's done rather well & should be congratulated' then.
>Why am I not surprised.

He doesn't leave anyone much incentive to do what he asks of us, does 
he? Whatever you do makes you wrong in his eyes, so we might as well 
carry on doing exactly as we see fit.

Nice work, Duhg. How close is Vince's report to being completed, by the 
way? You're at least eight months past your own deadline now.
.

-- 
Ed Banger

Steve Firth wrote:
> BrianW  wrote:
> 
>> Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
>> disagreement with him as a personal attack. 

Not only that but any criticism of PT at all - like talking about how it 
can be unreliable -  is knocking PT.


-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

BrianW  wrote:

> On 6 Jul, 04:23, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > BrianW  wrote:
> > > Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
> > > disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a link, if you
> > > have it?).
> >
> > AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk
> 
> Thanks.  Was he forced to give this apology, on pain of being expelled
> from the group or something?

The story is quite convoluted. He was "invited" to drop into demon.local
by a regular with a reputation for stirring up trouble - a woman who had
a silly game of flirting with men to see what their reaction was, and
mocking the men in email to others and on IRC. Her tactic seemed to be
to send them erotic poetry and to indulge in titilating email
interchanges, which the poor dears took as a promise of delights to
come.

She flattered Duhg's ego and asked him into d.l. to take on the "cabal"
of regular posters. Her behaviour was (to me) extraordinary she seemed
to get a buzz out of getting various people to fall for her, then
dropped them unceremoniously in public so that she could get a rush out
of watching them self-destruct.

Some behind the scenes email then went on and she was "shopped" by
someone disgusted with her behaviour. Once she had been outed she was
asked to get rid of her latest pet and she asked to Duhg to stop posting
to the group, which he did. No one, AFAIK asked for the apology but it
looks as if the love-smitten Duhg offered one voluntarily.

He wasn't alone BTW, I can recall several individuals falling for the
woman in question and doing some quite ridiculous things in order to
secure her affection/attention. It resulted in a number of flounces from
d.l and some extremely nasty interchanges between individuals. Duhg
simply walked into something he didn't understand and was ill equipped
to cope with.

Brimstone  wrote:

> Steve Firth wrote:
> > BrianW  wrote:
> >
> >> Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
> >> disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a link, if
> >> you have it?).
> >
> > AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk
> 
> Very interesting, thanks for that.

You're welcome.

> The part about not realising that an NG doesn't function like a real group
> tells much about his attitude. The fact that he treats anyone different to
> him as a group to be attacked is also revealed in that missive. What a shame
> he's forgotten the lesson and is thus doomed to repeat it, as he is here.

There's something much more telling in that "apology". 


"If you ever need any advice on how to run a group mail me,
but no flames mind and excuse the lack of sig :)"

Read it in context with the rest of the post and it's clear that Duhg
considered that newsgroups were "groups" with a committee a chairman,
and some form of formal constitution. Hence his comment about "real
groups" and his self-preening obout "game-play" and "self analysis".

Duhg reveals a lot about himself here. Firstly despite his ranting about
anarchism, he's making it clear that he can only function in terms of
committees and rules. He also sees only one natural position for
himself, as the great leader. His comment:

"Of course I wanted to assert myself and be recognised, its only
natural."

Gives away his intention to be dominant within a group. And the whole
"apology" makes it clear that he's one of those loathsome individuals
who join groups not to get things done, but to play petty politics of
dominance. In short, as far from "anarchist" as one could be.

In message <1ijnq3i.1lthd5rau9jpaN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth 
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>BrianW  wrote:
>
>> On 6 Jul, 04:23, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> > BrianW  wrote:
>> > > Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
>> > > disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a link, if you
>> > > have it?).
>> >
>> > AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk
>>
>> Thanks.  Was he forced to give this apology, on pain of being expelled
>> from the group or something?
>
>The story is quite convoluted. He was "invited" to drop into demon.local
>by a regular with a reputation for stirring up trouble - a woman who had
>a silly game of flirting with men to see what their reaction was, and
>mocking the men in email to others and on IRC. Her tactic seemed to be
>to send them erotic poetry and to indulge in titilating email
>interchanges, which the poor dears took as a promise of delights to
>come.
>
>She flattered Duhg's ego and asked him into d.l. to take on the "cabal"
>of regular posters. Her behaviour was (to me) extraordinary she seemed
>to get a buzz out of getting various people to fall for her, then
>dropped them unceremoniously in public so that she could get a rush out
>of watching them self-destruct.

<snip>

Was he still using the name Bollen in his posts at this point?


-- 
Ed Banger

Ed Banger  wrote:

> Was he still using the name Bollen in his posts at this point?

He was using Bollen (db@noid.dcu) but quickly changed to Doug
(db@noid.dcu) then Doug (par@noid.dcu). He had also used various
combinations of Doug, Doug Bollen, Gingerbread and other alises in
combination with lonepar.demon.co.uk, noid.dcu, ginger.dcu.

Steve Firth wrote:
> BrianW  wrote:
> 
>> On 6 Jul, 04:23, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>> BrianW  wrote:
>>>> Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views any
>>>> disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a link, if you
>>>> have it?).
>>> AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk
>> Thanks.  Was he forced to give this apology, on pain of being expelled
>> from the group or something?
> 
> The story is quite convoluted. He was "invited" to drop into demon.local
> by a regular with a reputation for stirring up trouble - a woman who had
> a silly game of flirting with men to see what their reaction was, and
> mocking the men in email to others and on IRC. Her tactic seemed to be
> to send them erotic poetry and to indulge in titilating email
> interchanges, which the poor dears took as a promise of delights to
> come.
> 
> She flattered Duhg's ego and asked him into d.l. to take on the "cabal"
> of regular posters. Her behaviour was (to me) extraordinary she seemed
> to get a buzz out of getting various people to fall for her, then
> dropped them unceremoniously in public so that she could get a rush out
> of watching them self-destruct.
> 
> Some behind the scenes email then went on and she was "shopped" by
> someone disgusted with her behaviour. Once she had been outed she was
> asked to get rid of her latest pet and she asked to Duhg to stop posting
> to the group, which he did. No one, AFAIK asked for the apology but it
> looks as if the love-smitten Duhg offered one voluntarily.
> 
> He wasn't alone BTW, I can recall several individuals falling for the
> woman in question and doing some quite ridiculous things in order to
> secure her affection/attention. It resulted in a number of flounces from
> d.l and some extremely nasty interchanges between individuals. Duhg
> simply walked into something he didn't understand and was ill equipped
> to cope with.

"Ill equipped" when he's that big a prick?

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

®i©ardo wrote:
> Steve Firth wrote:
>> BrianW  wrote:
>>
>>> On 6 Jul, 04:23, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>> BrianW  wrote:
>>>>> Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views
>>>>> any disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a
>>>>> link, if you have it?).
>>>> AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk
>>> Thanks.  Was he forced to give this apology, on pain of being
>>> expelled from the group or something?
>>
>> The story is quite convoluted. He was "invited" to drop into
>> demon.local by a regular with a reputation for stirring up trouble -
>> a woman who had a silly game of flirting with men to see what their
>> reaction was, and mocking the men in email to others and on IRC. Her
>> tactic seemed to be to send them erotic poetry and to indulge in
>> titilating email interchanges, which the poor dears took as a
>> promise of delights to come.
>>
>> She flattered Duhg's ego and asked him into d.l. to take on the
>> "cabal" of regular posters. Her behaviour was (to me) extraordinary
>> she seemed to get a buzz out of getting various people to fall for
>> her, then dropped them unceremoniously in public so that she could
>> get a rush out of watching them self-destruct.
>>
>> Some behind the scenes email then went on and she was "shopped" by
>> someone disgusted with her behaviour. Once she had been outed she was
>> asked to get rid of her latest pet and she asked to Duhg to stop
>> posting to the group, which he did. No one, AFAIK asked for the
>> apology but it looks as if the love-smitten Duhg offered one
>> voluntarily. He wasn't alone BTW, I can recall several individuals 
>> falling for the
>> woman in question and doing some quite ridiculous things in order to
>> secure her affection/attention. It resulted in a number of flounces
>> from d.l and some extremely nasty interchanges between individuals.
>> Duhg simply walked into something he didn't understand and was ill
>> equipped to cope with.
>
> "Ill equipped" when he's that big a prick?

Size isn't everything.

Brimstone wrote:
> ®i©ardo wrote:
>> Steve Firth wrote:
>>> BrianW  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6 Jul, 04:23, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>>> BrianW  wrote:
>>>>>> Recently, you mentioned that Gollum once admitted that he views
>>>>>> any disagreement with him as a personal attack (can you post a
>>>>>> link, if you have it?).
>>>>> AF2541E296688D34A@noid.demon.co.uk
>>>> Thanks.  Was he forced to give this apology, on pain of being
>>>> expelled from the group or something?
>>> The story is quite convoluted. He was "invited" to drop into
>>> demon.local by a regular with a reputation for stirring up trouble -
>>> a woman who had a silly game of flirting with men to see what their
>>> reaction was, and mocking the men in email to others and on IRC. Her
>>> tactic seemed to be to send them erotic poetry and to indulge in
>>> titilating email interchanges, which the poor dears took as a
>>> promise of delights to come.
>>>
>>> She flattered Duhg's ego and asked him into d.l. to take on the
>>> "cabal" of regular posters. Her behaviour was (to me) extraordinary
>>> she seemed to get a buzz out of getting various people to fall for
>>> her, then dropped them unceremoniously in public so that she could
>>> get a rush out of watching them self-destruct.
>>>
>>> Some behind the scenes email then went on and she was "shopped" by
>>> someone disgusted with her behaviour. Once she had been outed she was
>>> asked to get rid of her latest pet and she asked to Duhg to stop
>>> posting to the group, which he did. No one, AFAIK asked for the
>>> apology but it looks as if the love-smitten Duhg offered one
>>> voluntarily. He wasn't alone BTW, I can recall several individuals 
>>> falling for the
>>> woman in question and doing some quite ridiculous things in order to
>>> secure her affection/attention. It resulted in a number of flounces
>>> from d.l and some extremely nasty interchanges between individuals.
>>> Duhg simply walked into something he didn't understand and was ill
>>> equipped to cope with.
>> "Ill equipped" when he's that big a prick?
> 
> Size isn't everything. 
> 
> 
Well, yes, I would think that hygiene comes into it somewhere.

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