http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey_gas_backup_report/

-- 
Only some ghastly, dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster.
Ken Livingstone 2001.

PeterT - "Reply to" address is a spam trap - all replies to the group please

Peter Thomas wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey_gas_backup_report/

Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.

On 3 Jul, 20:50, Peter Thomas  wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>
> --
> Only some ghastly, dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster.
> Ken Livingstone 2001.
>
> PeterT - "Reply to" address is a spam trap - all replies to the group please

Why would I not comment on it? I've said all along that wind power is
nothing but greenwash. This report only confirm what I've been saying
for years. The idea that cars can run on electricity is just another
sop to irresponsible killer motorist terrorists.

On Jul 3, 10:05 pm, therealdougbol...@googlemail.com wrote:
> On 3 Jul, 20:50, Peter Thomas  wrote:
>
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>
> > --
> > Only some ghastly, dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster.
> > Ken Livingstone 2001.
>
> > PeterT - "Reply to" address is a spam trap - all replies to the group please
>
> Why would I not comment on it? I've said all along that wind power is
> nothing but greenwash. This report only confirm what I've been saying
> for years. The idea that cars can run on electricity is just another
> sop to irresponsible killer motorist terrorists.

liar

Doug

Peter Thomas  wrote:

>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey_g
>as_backup_report/
>

This is hardly news. The same points were made here to Duhng and Dave
"Dynamo" Hansen. Hansen dismissed them with an airy wave of his hand and
used the same "justification" of claiming that if there are sufficient
turbines it's always windy somewhere. It's not true, it's never been
true. If windpower is to stand a chance it must have backup power
systems of equal capacity. Gas for quick and cheap, pump storage hydro
for a somewhat cleaner approach.

Nuclear is still the better option, other than politically.

On 3 Jul, 21:00, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> Peter Thomas wrote:
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>
> Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.

I will. Wind turbines should be part of a package which aims to reduce
energy consumption, and its consequent pollution, from all sources
while replacing non-renewable with renewable.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1ijj2ys.hl1hg6zbz8nlN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Peter Thomas  wrote:
>
>>
>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey_g
>>as_backup_report/
>>
>
> This is hardly news. The same points were made here to Duhng and Dave
> "Dynamo" Hansen. Hansen dismissed them with an airy wave of his hand and
> used the same "justification" of claiming that if there are sufficient
> turbines it's always windy somewhere. It's not true, it's never been
> true. If windpower is to stand a chance it must have backup power
> systems of equal capacity. Gas for quick and cheap, pump storage hydro
> for a somewhat cleaner approach.
>
> Nuclear is still the better option, other than politically.

Careful Steve - say 'not windy' three times and the magic Hansen pdf links 
appear....

Doug wrote:
> On 3 Jul, 21:00, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>> Peter Thomas wrote:
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>>
>> Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.
>
> I will. Wind turbines should be part of a package which aims to reduce
> energy consumption, and its consequent pollution, from all sources
> while replacing non-renewable with renewable.

So yet another change of direction. In the past you've condemned renewable 
energy as greenwash.

On 3 Jul, 23:26, doug  wrote:
> On Jul 3, 10:05 pm, therealdougbol...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > On 3 Jul, 20:50, Peter Thomas  wrote:
>
> > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey.> > > Only some ghastly, dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster.
> > > Ken Livingstone 2001.
>
> > > PeterT - "Reply to" address is a spam trap - all replies to the group please
>
> > Why would I not comment on it? I've said all along that wind power is
> > nothing but greenwash. This report only confirm what I've been saying
> > for years. The idea that cars can run on electricity is just another
> > sop to irresponsible killer motorist terrorists.
>
> liar
>
> Doug

Evidence??

On 3 Jul, 20:50, Peter Thomas  wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>

"Research: Wind power pricier, emits more CO2 than thought"

Well, of course! How much CO2 could thought emit anyway?

wrote in message 
news:5976abf7-566b-4132-92ed-2ad87a3cb7c8@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Evidence??

Is something none of Dougs multiple personalities can produce.

cupra  wrote:

> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:1ijj2ys.hl1hg6zbz8nlN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> > Peter Thomas  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey_g
> >>as_backup_report/
> >>
> >
> > This is hardly news. The same points were made here to Duhng and Dave
> > "Dynamo" Hansen. Hansen dismissed them with an airy wave of his hand and
> > used the same "justification" of claiming that if there are sufficient
> > turbines it's always windy somewhere. It's not true, it's never been
> > true. If windpower is to stand a chance it must have backup power
> > systems of equal capacity. Gas for quick and cheap, pump storage hydro
> > for a somewhat cleaner approach.
> >
> > Nuclear is still the better option, other than politically.
> 
> Careful Steve - say 'not windy' three times and the magic Hansen pdf links
> appear.... 

Say it in front of a mirror and Duhg appears behind you and guts you
with a rusty bicycle tyre lever.

> liar
>
> Doug

You are both liars and terrible impersonators. I have never opposed
wind power.  Wind power is still greener than using gas alone. Read
the article! It doesn't say that wind power realeases more CO2 than
fossil power, only that is releases more than previously expected. The
motorists who infest and dominate this newsgroup are always looking
for pathetic excuses to continue polluting the earth.

Oh, and I forgot to add: Of course wind alone is not enough. It should
be part of a mix of different renewables. That's how fluctuations can
be dealt with.

In message <1ijjwq0.19fn2687q6a68N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth 
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>  cupra  wrote:
>
>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1ijj2ys.hl1hg6zbz8nlN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>> > Peter Thomas  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey_g
>> >>as_backup_report/
>> >>
>> >
>> > This is hardly news. The same points were made here to Duhng and Dave
>> > "Dynamo" Hansen. Hansen dismissed them with an airy wave of his hand and
>> > used the same "justification" of claiming that if there are sufficient
>> > turbines it's always windy somewhere. It's not true, it's never been
>> > true. If windpower is to stand a chance it must have backup power
>> > systems of equal capacity. Gas for quick and cheap, pump storage hydro
>> > for a somewhat cleaner approach.
>> >
>> > Nuclear is still the better option, other than politically.
>>
>> Careful Steve - say 'not windy' three times and the magic Hansen pdf links
>> appear....
>
>Say it in front of a mirror and Duhg appears behind you and guts you
>with a rusty bicycle tyre lever.

Amusingly, Duhg has links to various pacifist organisations on his 
webshite.


-- 
Ed Banger

Doug wrote:
> On 3 Jul, 21:00, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>> Peter Thomas wrote:
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>> Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.
> 
> I will. Wind turbines should be part of a package which aims to reduce
> energy consumption, and its consequent pollution, from all sources
> while replacing non-renewable with renewable.
> 
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

I wonder what the "real" Doug's response would have been?

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

In message <vCvbk.184709$Ek2.94688@newsfe17.ams2>, ®i©ardo 
 writes
>Doug wrote:
>> On 3 Jul, 21:00, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>> Peter Thomas wrote:
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>>> Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.
>>  I will. Wind turbines should be part of a package which aims to 
>>reduce
>> energy consumption, and its consequent pollution, from all sources
>> while replacing non-renewable with renewable.
>>  --
>> World Carfree Network
>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
>I wonder what the "real" Doug's response would have been?

All is revealed in the instruction manual:


Congratulations on choosing the Duhg-a-Tron, which is guaranteed to 
provide years of knowledge-free posting, as long as its taxpayer-funded 
maintenance programme is followed religiously.

The top-of-the-range Duhg-a-Tron was originally developed on a Jupiter 
Ace home computer and includes the following functions:
* the posting of kneejerk responses such as "Liar!", "Hypocrite!", "Pot! 
Kettle!" and "Wrong again, as usual" when a Usenet contributor posts 
something a little too close to the truth for the Duhg-a-Tron's comfort.
* the mindless copying and pasting of entire car-related articles, 
usually from the Daily Mail, onto Usenet. The current Duhg-a-Tron model 
lacks the capability of understanding the articles it pastes, so it 
often displays the feature of contradicting its own argument for the 
additional amusement of Usenet readers.
* a crude form of binary logic in which "good" and "bad" versions of a 
given substance or phenomenon are deemed to exist, so that anything 
which serves the Duhg-a-Tron's interests is "good" and the converse is 
"bad".
* the deployment of an array of logical fallacies including "tu quoque", 
ad hominem attacks and appeal to authority.
* repeated denial of any connection with the Duhg-a-Tron's rumoured 
creator, who is credited with authoring an article about the Jupiter 
Ace: http://www.jupiter-ace.co.uk/hardware_ace_inteface.html

The Duhg-a-Tron's maintenance regime includes being housed at the 
taxpayer's expense and powered by exotic foodstuffs flown in from other 
parts of the world.

==========================================

Known issues: the Duhg-a-Tron has been posting to Usenet for at least 14 
years and its failing memory and reasoning powers are now in an advanced 
state (indeed, these are the only aspects of the Duhg-a-Tron that could 
honestly be described as "advanced"). There is no known solution to 
these issues and it must be borne in mind that the Duhg-a-Tron exceeded 
its useful life some time ago.


-- 
Ed Banger

In message <vCvbk.184709$Ek2.94688@newsfe17.ams2>, ®i©ardo 
 writes
>Doug wrote:
>> On 3 Jul, 21:00, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>> Peter Thomas wrote:
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>>> Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.
>>  I will. Wind turbines should be part of a package which aims to 
>>reduce
>> energy consumption, and its consequent pollution, from all sources
>> while replacing non-renewable with renewable.
>>  --
>> World Carfree Network
>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>
>I wonder what the "real" Doug's response would have been?

All is revealed in the instruction manual:


Congratulations on choosing the Duhg-a-Tron, which is guaranteed to 
provide years of knowledge-free posting, as long as its taxpayer-funded 
maintenance programme is followed religiously.***

The top-of-the-range Duhg-a-Tron was originally developed on a Jupiter 
Ace home computer and includes the following functions:
* the posting of kneejerk responses such as "Liar!", "Hypocrite!", "Pot! 
Kettle!" and "Wrong again, as usual" when a Usenet contributor posts 
something a little too close to the truth for the Duhg-a-Tron's comfort.
* the mindless copying and pasting of entire car-related articles, 
usually from the Daily Mail, onto Usenet. The current Duhg-a-Tron model 
lacks the capability of understanding the articles it pastes, so it 
often displays the feature of contradicting its own argument for the 
additional amusement of Usenet readers.
* a crude form of binary logic in which "good" and "bad" versions of a 
given substance or phenomenon are deemed to exist, so that anything 
which serves the Duhg-a-Tron's interests is "good" and the converse is 
"bad".
* the deployment of an array of logical fallacies including "tu quoque", 
ad hominem attacks and appeal to authority.
* repeated denial of any connection with the Duhg-a-Tron's rumoured 
creator, who is credited with authoring an article about the Jupiter 
Ace: http://www.jupiter-ace.co.uk/hardware_ace_inteface.html

*** The Duhg-a-Tron's maintenance regime includes being housed at the 
taxpayer's expense and powered by exotic foodstuffs flown in from other 
parts of the world.

==========================================

Known issues: the Duhg-a-Tron has been posting to Usenet for at least 14 
years and the decline of its memory and reasoning powers is now in an 
advanced state (indeed, these are the only aspects of the Duhg-a-Tron 
that could honestly be described as "advanced"). There is no known 
solution to these issues and it must be borne in mind that the 
Duhg-a-Tron exceeded its useful life some time ago.


-- 
Ed Banger

Ed Banger wrote:
> In message <vCvbk.184709$Ek2.94688@newsfe17.ams2>, ®i©ardo 
>  writes
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 3 Jul, 21:00, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>>>> Peter Thomas wrote:
>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey... 
>>>>>
>>>> Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.
>>>  I will. Wind turbines should be part of a package which aims to reduce
>>> energy consumption, and its consequent pollution, from all sources
>>> while replacing non-renewable with renewable.
>>>  --
>>> World Carfree Network
>>> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
>>> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>>
>> I wonder what the "real" Doug's response would have been?
> 
> All is revealed in the instruction manual:
> 
> 
> Congratulations on choosing the Duhg-a-Tron, which is guaranteed to 
> provide years of knowledge-free posting, as long as its taxpayer-funded 
> maintenance programme is followed religiously.
> 
> The top-of-the-range Duhg-a-Tron was originally developed on a Jupiter 
> Ace home computer and includes the following functions:
> * the posting of kneejerk responses such as "Liar!", "Hypocrite!", "Pot! 
> Kettle!" and "Wrong again, as usual" when a Usenet contributor posts 
> something a little too close to the truth for the Duhg-a-Tron's comfort.
> * the mindless copying and pasting of entire car-related articles, 
> usually from the Daily Mail, onto Usenet. The current Duhg-a-Tron model 
> lacks the capability of understanding the articles it pastes, so it 
> often displays the feature of contradicting its own argument for the 
> additional amusement of Usenet readers.
> * a crude form of binary logic in which "good" and "bad" versions of a 
> given substance or phenomenon are deemed to exist, so that anything 
> which serves the Duhg-a-Tron's interests is "good" and the converse is 
> "bad".
> * the deployment of an array of logical fallacies including "tu quoque", 
> ad hominem attacks and appeal to authority.
> * repeated denial of any connection with the Duhg-a-Tron's rumoured 
> creator, who is credited with authoring an article about the Jupiter 
> Ace: http://www.jupiter-ace.co.uk/hardware_ace_inteface.html
> 
> The Duhg-a-Tron's maintenance regime includes being housed at the 
> taxpayer's expense and powered by exotic foodstuffs flown in from other 
> parts of the world.
> 
> ==========================================
> 
> Known issues: the Duhg-a-Tron has been posting to Usenet for at least 14 
> years and its failing memory and reasoning powers are now in an advanced 
> state (indeed, these are the only aspects of the Duhg-a-Tron that could 
> honestly be described as "advanced"). There is no known solution to 
> these issues and it must be borne in mind that the Duhg-a-Tron exceeded 
> its useful life some time ago.

All this in Reverse Polish Logic....

-- 
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

On 4 Jul, 16:54, "!!!Doug!!!"  wrote:
>  > liar
>
>
>
> > Doug
>
> You are both liars and terrible impersonators. I have never opposed
> wind power.

With the vegan diet and the spiel here, Dzhug. produces enough wind
himself to power catford.

On 4 Jul, 05:54, Doug  wrote:
> On 3 Jul, 21:00, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>
> > Peter Thomas wrote:
> > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_needs_dirty_pricey...
>
> > Nope, he won't have a word to say about that.
>
> I will. Wind turbines should be part of a package which aims to reduce
> energy consumption,

LIAR!!!!!

How can a wind turbine reduce energy consumption?