Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.

I wonder what the residents of Catford did for the environment this
week? Moaning and groaning doesn't count.

Steve Firth wrote:

> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
> 
> I wonder what the residents of Catford did for the environment this
> week? Moaning and groaning doesn't count.
Good for you.
How have you done this?
Roger Thorpe

On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
efforts.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The 4x4, more of a sewer than a convenience".

Doug wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out
>> was completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>>
> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> efforts.

So what efforts are you making Doug?

Brimstone wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out
>>> was completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>>>
>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
>> efforts.
> 
> So what efforts are you making Doug? 
> 
> 
Surely that depends on which Doug is involved.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

®i©ardo wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out
>>>> was completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>>>>
>>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of
>>> your efforts.
>>
>> So what efforts are you making Doug?
>>
>>
> Surely that depends on which Doug is involved.

The one who sets himself up as a target.

®i©ardo wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out
>>>> was completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>>>>
>>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
>>> efforts.
>>
>> So what efforts are you making Doug?
>>
> Surely that depends on which Doug is involved.
> 

Two types of Doug...

-- 
Abo

On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> efforts.

Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
of, you just dis. him with your comments.

Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why not
say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just anti-car
and anti-plane?

On Jun 18, 1:06 pm, NotMe  wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>
> > On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
> > Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> > efforts.
>
> Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
> reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
> of, you just dis. him with your comments.
>
> Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
> appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why not
> say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just anti-car
> and anti-plane?

He is very anti car and anti plane.  Have you never noticed that he'll
support any anti car measure even if it conflicts with his other
outspoken view points.

Its funny that someone who has lifetime of pollution behind him
defends it by saying "I do far better now" but still attacks others
who are making improvements for not doing enough.

Doug seems to have this view that he's better than everyone because
their car pollution automatically makes them worse than him.

The funny thing is that now that I'm getting rid of my car this
weekend, and after the recent green improvements to my home, I'm much
less polluting than him based on his last stated figures.  Whats funny
is that instead of congratulating my I can be assured that he'll find
some way off dismissing what I've done and will still declare himself
better than me.

The best bit is that he'll no longer be able to moan about me being a
motorist for a while.

Fod

Fod wrote:
> On Jun 18, 1:06 pm, NotMe  wrote:
>> On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck,
>>> my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
>>>> completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>>
>>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of
>>> your
>>> efforts.
>>
>> Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
>> reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
>> of, you just dis. him with your comments.
>>
>> Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
>> appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why
>> not say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just
>> anti-car and anti-plane?
>
> He is very anti car and anti plane.  Have you never noticed that he'll
> support any anti car measure even if it conflicts with his other
> outspoken view points.
>
> Its funny that someone who has lifetime of pollution behind him
> defends it by saying "I do far better now" but still attacks others
> who are making improvements for not doing enough.
>
> Doug seems to have this view that he's better than everyone because
> their car pollution automatically makes them worse than him.
>
> The funny thing is that now that I'm getting rid of my car this
> weekend, and after the recent green improvements to my home, I'm much
> less polluting than him based on his last stated figures.  Whats funny
> is that instead of congratulating my I can be assured that he'll find
> some way off dismissing what I've done and will still declare himself
> better than me.
>
> The best bit is that he'll no longer be able to moan about me being a
> motorist for a while.
>
Wanna bet?

(No, it wouldn't be fair, I wouldn't take your money)

On 18 Jun, 13:19, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> Fod wrote:

> > The best bit is that he'll no longer be able to moan about me being a
> > motorist for a while.
>
> Wanna bet?

Dzhugashvili claims to be the only non-motorist in the village, sorry
newsgroup.
Anyone else who makes such a claim is obviously lying (according to
him).

Fod wrote:
> On Jun 18, 1:06 pm, NotMe  wrote:
>> On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
>>>> completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
>>> efforts.
>> Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
>> reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
>> of, you just dis. him with your comments.
>>
>> Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
>> appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why not
>> say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just anti-car
>> and anti-plane?
> 
> He is very anti car and anti plane.  Have you never noticed that he'll
> support any anti car measure even if it conflicts with his other
> outspoken view points.
> 
> Its funny that someone who has lifetime of pollution behind him
> defends it by saying "I do far better now" but still attacks others
> who are making improvements for not doing enough.
> 
> Doug seems to have this view that he's better than everyone because
> their car pollution automatically makes them worse than him.
> 
> The funny thing is that now that I'm getting rid of my car this
> weekend, and after the recent green improvements to my home, I'm much
> less polluting than him based on his last stated figures.  Whats funny
> is that instead of congratulating my I can be assured that he'll find
> some way off dismissing what I've done and will still declare himself
> better than me.
> 
> The best bit is that he'll no longer be able to moan about me being a
> motorist for a while.
> 
> Fod

Ah, but you'll probably still be "a motorists in your unconscious mind" 
so you remain a legitimate target.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

On Jun 18, 2:23 pm, ®i©ardo  wrote:
> Fod wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 1:06 pm, NotMe  wrote:
> >> On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>
> >>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> >>>> completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
> >>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> >>> efforts.
> >> Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
> >> reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
> >> of, you just dis. him with your comments.
>
> >> Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
> >> appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why not
> >> say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just anti-car
> >> and anti-plane?
>
> > He is very anti car and anti plane.  Have you never noticed that he'll
> > support any anti car measure even if it conflicts with his other
> > outspoken view points.
>
> > Its funny that someone who has lifetime of pollution behind him
> > defends it by saying "I do far better now" but still attacks others
> > who are making improvements for not doing enough.
>
> > Doug seems to have this view that he's better than everyone because
> > their car pollution automatically makes them worse than him.
>
> > The funny thing is that now that I'm getting rid of my car this
> > weekend, and after the recent green improvements to my home, I'm much
> > less polluting than him based on his last stated figures.  Whats funny
> > is that instead of congratulating my I can be assured that he'll find
> > some way off dismissing what I've done and will still declare himself
> > better than me.
>
> > The best bit is that he'll no longer be able to moan about me being a
> > motorist for a while.
>
> > Fod
>
> Ah, but you'll probably still be "a motorists in your unconscious mind"
> so you remain a legitimate target.
>
> --
> Moving things in still pictures!

true, its not as if he's man enough to admit when he's wrong so its
unlikely he's going to be able to change his views of me.

Fod

On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> efforts.

Yet again, you trot out this DougLie.  Can you provide any evidence to
back up your assertion, Gollum?

<tumbleweed>

On 18 Jun, 13:12, Fod  wrote:

> The best bit is that he'll no longer be able to moan about me being a
> motorist for a while.

Given that Golltard insists on calling one of the regular posters on
here (can't remember who) a motorist, despite the fact that said
poster has stated on several occasions that he does not run a car, I
think this is wishful thinking on your behalf.

On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> efforts.
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
> "The 4x4, more of a sewer than a convenience".

Oh look Doug is in happy mode.
Congratulations on your achievement, no he did not say that.
That good, its one step forward, no he did not say that.
Could you tell us how you made that progress, no he did not say that.
A posative comment, no he did not say that.

A complete negative comment, bringing cars into the thread, yes he did
do that.


Francis

one house down, eight to go :)

(And that'sIF we believe his claims!)

On 18 Jun, 16:24, francis  wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>
> > On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
> > Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> > efforts.
>
> > --
> > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
> > "The 4x4, more of a sewer than a convenience".
>
> Oh look Doug is in happy mode.
> Congratulations on your achievement, no he did not say that.
> That good, its one step forward, no he did not say that.
> Could you tell us how you made that progress, no he did not say that.
> A posative comment, no he did not say that.
>
> A complete negative comment, bringing cars into the thread, yes he did
> do that.

His comment also demonstrates the extent to which his views are pseudo-
religious.  It reminds of the Christian approach "you can live as good
a life as you like, but if you don't accept Jesus as your saviour you
cannot be saved".  In DougWorld, you can reduce your CO2 emissions as
far as you like, but if you don't accept the way of the Gollum and
ditch your car, your efforts amount to zero.

Oddly enough, my level respect for religious reasoning is the same as
for DuhgReasoning i.e. zero.

Roger Thorpe  wrote:

> Steve Firth wrote:
> 
> > Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
> > 
> > I wonder what the residents of Catford did for the environment this
> > week? Moaning and groaning doesn't count.

> Good for you.
> How have you done this?

A bit of a mix, the majority of heating is now biofuel (wood), some
comes from solar thermal and there's a top up via contract with the
electricity supplier to only use hydro for the balance. I have to pay
£200 a year more to get a guaranteed hydro-only supply than I did to get
electricity made from fossils, but since I'm in favour of hydro, tidal
and nuclear and against wind power, coal and oil fired power stations
it's worth it, to me.

We also grow our own wood for fuel and are fortunate to have the amount
of land necessary.

The house itself is designed for passive solar heating with no windows
to the north or east and massive brick walls to act as storage heaters.

Doug  wrote:

> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
> >
> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> efforts.

Not at all. I don't have a personal car.

On 18 Jun, 13:06, NotMe  wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>
> > On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
> > Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> > efforts.
>
> Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
> reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
> of, you just dis. him with your comments.
>
> Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
> appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why not
> say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just anti-car
> and anti-plane?
>
Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
whopping great 4x4.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The 4x4, more of a sewer than a convenience".

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1iiqv0w.9rme7z6pr5aN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Not at all. I don't have a personal car.

Pedantry rules OK?

You run it on the company - any personal use or do we cycle to and from home 
and pay no tax ?

Doug wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 13:06, NotMe  wrote:
>> On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck,
>>> my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
>>>> completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>>
>>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of
>>> your
>>> efforts.
>>
>> Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
>> reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
>> of, you just dis. him with your comments.
>>
>> Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
>> appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why
>> not say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just
>> anti-car and anti-plane?
>>
> Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> whopping great 4x4.

A smaller car is not capable of doing the same job as a "4x4". What 
particular reason did you have for driving a "4x4"?

On Jun 19, 7:12 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 13:06, NotMe  wrote:
>
> > On 18 Jun, 12:43, Doug  wrote:
>
> > > On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
> > > > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>
> > > Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
> > > efforts.
>
> > Typical Dzhugashvili comment. So instead of congratulating Firth on
> > reducing his carbon footprint, something you "claim" to be in favour
> > of, you just dis. him with your comments.
>
> > Firth has done something, at probably considerable expense, that you
> > appear not have have managed yourself, and are unlikely to do. Why not
> > say "Well done". Are you true an environmentalist, or just anti-car
> > and anti-plane?
>
> Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> whopping great 4x4.
>

how would that be of use when he needs to go off road?

Fod

Doug  wrote:

> Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> whopping great 4x4.

I've already told you:

(a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
(b) I don't have a car for personal transport

Why do you keep ignoring this?

Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
almost everything.

On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> > i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> > another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> > reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> > whopping great 4x4.
>
> I've already told you:
>
> (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
> (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>
> Why do you keep ignoring this?
>
> Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
> almost everything.
>
Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!

How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?

Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
polluting?

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug wrote:
> On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> Doug  wrote:
>>> Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
>>> i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses
>>> in another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious
>>> efforts to reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car
>>> instead of his whopping great 4x4.
>>
>> I've already told you:
>>
>> (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
>> (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>>
>> Why do you keep ignoring this?
>>
>> Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
>> almost everything.
>>
> Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>
> How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>
> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> polluting?

Is there a technologically advanced wood burning stove and in what way does 
it differ from SF's current device? A fully detailed comparative study would 
be helpful, if you don't mind.

On 20 Jun, 06:24, Doug  wrote:
> On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> > > i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> > > another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> > > reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> > > whopping great 4x4.
>
> > I've already told you:
>
> > (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
> > (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>
> > Why do you keep ignoring this?
>
> > Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
> > almost everything.
>
> Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>
> How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>
> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> polluting?

LOL at Gollum!  He can't stand the thought that someone might be
outdoing him on the CO2 reduction stakes.

Doug  wrote:

> On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> > > i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> > > another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> > > reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> > > whopping great 4x4.
> >
> > I've already told you:
> >
> > (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
> > (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
> >
> > Why do you keep ignoring this?
> >
> > Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
> > almost everything.
> >
> Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!

More defamation from a proven liar.
 
> How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?

I use someone elses vehicle.
 
> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> polluting?

<yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
that I use is certificated for use even in central London.

In message , Brimstone 
 writes
>Doug wrote:
>> On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>> Doug  wrote:
>>>> Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
>>>> i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses
>>>> in another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious
>>>> efforts to reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car
>>>> instead of his whopping great 4x4.
>>>
>>> I've already told you:
>>>
>>> (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
>>> (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>>>
>>> Why do you keep ignoring this?
>>>
>>> Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
>>> almost everything.
>>>
>> Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>>
>> How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>>
>> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
>> polluting?
>
>Is there a technologically advanced wood burning stove and in what way does
>it differ from SF's current device? A fully detailed comparative study would
>be helpful, if you don't mind.

Is this to be delivered before or after Vince's report?

-- 
Ed Banger

Ed Banger wrote:
> In message , Brimstone
>  writes
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>> Doug  wrote:
>>>>> Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of
>>>>> greenwash, i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification
>>>>> for excesses in another area. If Filth was genuine who would make
>>>>> serious efforts to reduce his car use, or at least use a much
>>>>> smaller car instead of his whopping great 4x4.
>>>>
>>>> I've already told you:
>>>>
>>>> (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
>>>> (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>>>>
>>>> Why do you keep ignoring this?
>>>>
>>>> Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
>>>> almost everything.
>>>>
>>> Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>>>
>>> How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>>>
>>> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
>>> polluting?
>>
>> Is there a technologically advanced wood burning stove and in what
>> way does it differ from SF's current device? A fully detailed
>> comparative study would be helpful, if you don't mind.
>
> Is this to be delivered before or after Vince's report?

If it ever appears it'll be a miracle, just like Vince's report.

Ed Banger  wrote:

> >> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> >> polluting?
> >
> >Is there a technologically advanced wood burning stove

Yes, there are several manufacturers but they have in common a catalytic
afterburner and a secondary combustion chamber. This improves efficiency
and gains them an EPA rating better than gas boilers.

> > and in what way does
> >it differ from SF's current device?

Not one bit, since we got the best we could affford from Vermont
Castings, well known for producing among the best wood-burning heaters.

> > A fully detailed comparative study would
> > be helpful, if you don't mind.
> 
> Is this to be delivered before or after Vince's report?

Like everything else from windbag, all that will happen is a few moments
of silence then he'll repeat the same lies in the hope that someone will
believe him.

Duhg's strategy: Tell a lie. Repeat daily.

Steve Firth wrote:
> Ed Banger  wrote:
> 
>>>> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
>>>> polluting?
>>> Is there a technologically advanced wood burning stove
> 
> Yes, there are several manufacturers but they have in common a catalytic
> afterburner and a secondary combustion chamber. This improves efficiency
> and gains them an EPA rating better than gas boilers.
> 
>>> and in what way does
>>> it differ from SF's current device?
> 
> Not one bit, since we got the best we could affford from Vermont
> Castings, well known for producing among the best wood-burning heaters.
> 
>>> A fully detailed comparative study would
>>> be helpful, if you don't mind.
>> Is this to be delivered before or after Vince's report?
> 
> Like everything else from windbag, all that will happen is a few moments
> of silence then he'll repeat the same lies in the hope that someone will
> believe him.
> 
> Duhg's strategy: Tell a lie. Repeat daily.

Steve you forgot the rest: Tell a lie. Repeat daily for a week. Go 
silent, Deny what he said, Tell same lie about four weeks later.

-- 
Tony the Dragon

On 20 Jun, 09:40, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > > Doug  wrote:
> > > > Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> > > > i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> > > > another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> > > > reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> > > > whopping great 4x4.
>
> > > I've already told you:
>
> > > (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
> > > (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>
> > > Why do you keep ignoring this?
>
> > > Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
> > > almost everything.
>
> > Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>
> More defamation from a proven liar.
>
The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
neutral.
>
> > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>
> I use someone elses vehicle.
>
So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
>
>
> > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> > polluting?
>
> <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
> that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
>
That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.

Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
Cars are the main contributor to food miles at 48%.

On 21 Jun, 07:37, Doug  wrote:
> On 20 Jun, 09:40, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > > > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> > > > > i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> > > > > another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> > > > > reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> > > > > whopping great 4x4.
>
> > > > I've already told you:
>
> > > > (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
> > > > (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>
> > > > Why do you keep ignoring this?
>
> > > > Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
> > > > almost everything.
>
> > > Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>
> > More defamation from a proven liar.
>
> The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
> neutral.
>
> > > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>
> > I use someone elses vehicle.
>
> So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
>
> > > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> > > polluting?
>
> > <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
> > that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
>
> That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.
>
> Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
>

What does it take to satisfy you? just what is acceptable on the
carbon stakes?
NM

Doug wrote:
> On 20 Jun, 09:40, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> Doug  wrote:

>>> How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>>
>> I use someone elses vehicle.
>>
> So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
>>
Still using taxis Doug?

Is this typical of Firth - no car to make a point against Doug, boasts of an 
upmarket 4x4 in another message


"NM"  wrote in message 
news:892e0420-5784-4099-944d-e689feefe69c@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On 21 Jun, 07:37, Doug  wrote:
>> On 20 Jun, 09:40, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>
>> > Doug  wrote:
>> > > On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> > > > Doug  wrote:
>> > > > > Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of 
>> > > > > greenwash,
>> > > > > i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for 
>> > > > > excesses in
>> > > > > another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts 
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of 
>> > > > > his
>> > > > > whopping great 4x4.
>>
>> > > > I've already told you:
>>
>> > > > (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
>> > > > (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>>
>> > > > Why do you keep ignoring this?
>>
>> > > > Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
>> > > > almost everything.
>>
>> > > Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>>
>> > More defamation from a proven liar.
>>
>> The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
>> neutral.
>>
>> > > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>>
>> > I use someone elses vehicle.
>>
>> So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
>>
>> > > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
>> > > polluting?
>>
>> > <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The 
>> > stove
>> > that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
>>
>> That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.
>>
>> Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
>>
>
> What does it take to satisfy you? just what is acceptable on the
> carbon stakes?
> NM
>

On 21 Jun, 10:04, "Tooomy"  wrote:
> Is this typical of Firth - no car to make a point against Doug, boasts of an
> upmarket 4x4 in another message

Top posting? Why? Swimming against the tide are we? Showing a bit of
independence/defiance perhaps?

I have not yet heard Mr Firth claim to be without a vehicle, from his
prior postings I would find it hard to believe he would unless he was
postulating it hypothetically to make a point, then I'm sure this
would have become obvious by reading the text.

Why are you on a crusade against him, did he piss on your chips or
something?

NM

Doug  wrote:

> > > Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
> >
> > More defamation from a proven liar.
> >
> The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
> neutral.

Liar!

> > > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
> >
> > I use someone elses vehicle.
> >
> So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?

No, I use a car.

> > > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> > > polluting?
> >
> > <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
> > that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
> >
> That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.

My home is. And that's more than you have ever achieved.

> Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.

Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
communist.

On 21 Jun, 07:37, Doug  wrote:
> On 20 Jun, 09:40, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > On 19 Jun, 12:38, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > > > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > Both and I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of greenwash,
> > > > > i.e. making reductions in one area as a justification for excesses in
> > > > > another area. If Filth was genuine who would make serious efforts to
> > > > > reduce his car use, or at least use a much smaller car instead of his
> > > > > whopping great 4x4.
>
> > > > I've already told you:
>
> > > > (a) I use a smaller car for most of my journeys
> > > > (b) I don't have a car for personal transport
>
> > > > Why do you keep ignoring this?
>
> > > > Other of course than your natural <hah!> desire to tell lies about
> > > > almost everything.
>
> > > Pot kettle, liar. �Carbon neutral indeed!
>
> > More defamation from a proven liar.
>
> The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
> neutral.
>
> > > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>
> > I use someone elses vehicle.
>
> So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
>
> > > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> > > polluting?
>
> > <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
> > that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
>
> That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.

<Snigger>

Of course, Gollum's boiler doesn't produce any pollution or CO2.

You really are a retarded old spunk bubble, aren't you Gollum?  How
does it feel to know you are treated with utter contempt here by
everyone except your fellow fuckwitt, Toomy?

On 21 Jun, 10:42, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > > > Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>
> > > More defamation from a proven liar.
>
> > The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
> > neutral.
>
> Liar!
>
You can't be carbon neutral if you use a car.
>
> > > > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>
> > > I use someone elses vehicle.
>
> > So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
>
> No, I use a car.
>
The same thing.
>
> > > > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> > > > polluting?
>
> > > <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
> > > that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
>
> > That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.
>
> My home is. And that's more than you have ever achieved.
>
Struggling in vain to make your home carbon neutral cannot compensate
for your filthy car use.
>
> > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
>
> Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> communist.
>
At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not use
a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are likely to
achieve, fascist.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug wrote:

> At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral

Credit where it's due, Doug makes no pretence about supporting the 
production of electricity in highly polluting coal-fired power stations.

On 23 Jun, 06:50, Doug  wrote:

> > > That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.
>
> > My home is. And that's more than you have ever achieved.
>
> Struggling in vain to make your home carbon neutral cannot compensate
> for your filthy car use.

That old lie again, Gollum?  I have posted figures showing that the
average person produces twice as much CO2 through household use than
through driving.  I have invited you several times to provide figures
to support your assertion that motoring produces the same CO2 as
running a house.  The fact that you have not done so means you are
lying.  But then, as you are a lying old turd, that is hardly
surprising.

> > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
>
> > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > communist.
>
> At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not use
> a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are likely to
> achieve, fascist.

LOL.  Coming from Doug "Holocaust Denier" Bollen, that is really rich.

Doug  wrote:

> On 21 Jun, 10:42, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
> >
> > > > More defamation from a proven liar.
> >
> > > The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
> > > neutral.
> >
> > Liar!
> >
> You can't be carbon neutral if you use a car.
> >
> > > > > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
> >
> > > > I use someone elses vehicle.
> >
> > > So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
> >
> > No, I use a car.
> >
> The same thing.

Not at all, and only in your lying propaganda war can a modern vehicle
be referred to as "polluting" and "energy wasting".

> > > > > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> > > > > polluting?
> >
> > > > <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
> > > > that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
> >
> > > That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.
> >
> > My home is. And that's more than you have ever achieved.
> >
> Struggling in vain to make your home carbon neutral cannot compensate
> for your filthy car use.

You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.

> > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
> >
> > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > communist.
> >
> At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not use
> a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are likely to
> achieve, fascist.


You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.

"NM"  wrote in message news:59f74d74-5063-42fc-a3ad->
> I have not yet heard Mr Firth claim to be without a vehicle, from his
> prior postings I would find it hard to believe he would unless he was
> postulating it hypothetically to make a point, then I'm sure this
> would have become obvious by reading the text.  --------------
>


"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1iiqv0w.9rme7z6pr5aN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Doug  wrote:
>
>> On 18 Jun, 12:08, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> > Heck, my home is carbon neutral at last. The last item to sort out was
>> > completed this week as we moved to 100% hydro for electricity.
>> >
>> Pity about your 4x4 and other car/s though, which negates all of your
>> efforts.
>
> Not at all. I don't have a personal car.

On 20 Jun, 06:24, Doug  wrote:

> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> polluting?

Once again Dzhugashvili proves that he does not understand the carbon
cycle, and demonstrates his scientific illiteracy.

NotMe wrote:
> On 20 Jun, 06:24, Doug  wrote:
>
>> Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
>> polluting?
>
> Once again Dzhugashvili proves that he does not understand the carbon
> cycle, and demonstrates his scientific illiteracy.

I've editied that to make it more accurate. I hope you don't mind.

> Once again Dzhugashvili proves that he does not understand.

On 23 Jun, 12:25, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > On 21 Jun, 10:42, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > > Pot kettle, liar.  Carbon neutral indeed!
>
> > > > > More defamation from a proven liar.
>
> > > > The obvious lie is your empty greenwash claim that you are carbon
> > > > neutral.
>
> > > Liar!
>
> > You can't be carbon neutral if you use a car.
>
> > > > > > How is your personal shopping transported if not by car?
>
> > > > > I use someone elses vehicle.
>
> > > > So you still rely on a polluting, energy wasting car then?
>
> > > No, I use a car.
>
> > The same thing.
>
> Not at all, and only in your lying propaganda war can a modern vehicle
> be referred to as "polluting" and "energy wasting".
>
> > > > > > Also, have you considered that your primitive wood burning is highly
> > > > > > polluting?
>
> > > > > <yawn> No it's not, we've done this one before, you lost then. The stove
> > > > > that I use is certificated for use even in central London.
>
> > > > That doesn't mean it is not polluting or that you are carbon neutral.
>
> > > My home is. And that's more than you have ever achieved.
>
> > Struggling in vain to make your home carbon neutral cannot compensate
> > for your filthy car use.
>
> You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
>
> > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > communist.
>
> > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not use
> > a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are likely to
> > achieve, fascist.
>
> You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
>
At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
fascist.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The 4x4, more of a sewer than a convenience".

Doug  wrote:

> > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
> >
> It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> your use of human food is carbon neutral?

Put the goalposts back where they were.

> > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
> >
> > > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > > communist.
> >
> > > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not use
> > > a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are likely to
> > > achieve, fascist.
> >
> > You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> > impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
> >
> At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
> fascist.

Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.

On Jun 24, 10:14 am, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
> > It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> > your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> Put the goalposts back where they were.
>

be easy on him Steve, his memory isn't what it once was.  He probably
has got confused about your claim about your "Heating" being carbon
neutral.

I'll brew a cuppa, wrap him in a warm blanket and we'll see if we can
get one of his kids to take him home.  He's not safe on the streets
when he gets confused like this...

Fod

Fod wrote:
> On Jun 24, 10:14 am, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> Doug  wrote:
>>>> You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
>>>> neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>>
>>> It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
>>> your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>>
>> Put the goalposts back where they were.
>>
>
> be easy on him Steve, his memory isn't what it once was.  He probably
> has got confused about your claim about your "Heating" being carbon
> neutral.
>
> I'll brew a cuppa, wrap him in a warm blanket and we'll see if we can
> get one of his kids to take him home.  He's not safe on the streets
> when he gets confused like this...
>
It's more likely that his kids will take hime *to* a home, the one just a 
short bicycle ride away in Battersea perhaps?.

On 24 Jun, 11:17, "Brimstone"  wrote:
> Fod wrote:
> > On Jun 24, 10:14 am, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> >> Doug  wrote:
> >>>> You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> >>>> neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
> >>> It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> >>> your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> >> Put the goalposts back where they were.
>
> > be easy on him Steve, his memory isn't what it once was.  He probably
> > has got confused about your claim about your "Heating" being carbon
> > neutral.
>
> > I'll brew a cuppa, wrap him in a warm blanket and we'll see if we can
> > get one of his kids to take him home.  He's not safe on the streets
> > when he gets confused like this...
>
> It's more likely that his kids will take hime *to* a home, the one just a
> short bicycle ride away in Battersea perhaps?.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Are you barking mad?

(sorry)


Francis

francis wrote:
> On 24 Jun, 11:17, "Brimstone"  wrote:
>> Fod wrote:
>>> On Jun 24, 10:14 am, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>> Doug  wrote:
>>>>>> You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
>>>>>> neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>>
>>>>> It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim
>>>>> that your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>>
>>>> Put the goalposts back where they were.
>>
>>> be easy on him Steve, his memory isn't what it once was. He probably
>>> has got confused about your claim about your "Heating" being carbon
>>> neutral.
>>
>>> I'll brew a cuppa, wrap him in a warm blanket and we'll see if we
>>> can get one of his kids to take him home. He's not safe on the
>>> streets when he gets confused like this...
>>
>> It's more likely that his kids will take hime *to* a home, the one
>> just a short bicycle ride away in Battersea perhaps?.- Hide quoted
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Are you barking mad?
>
Yeah, but then it's better than living in a riverside feline refuge.

On 24 Jun, 10:14, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
> > It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> > your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> Put the goalposts back where they were.
>
So you now admit you are not carbon neutral after having claimed to be
so?
>
> > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
>
> > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > > > communist.
>
> > > > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not use
> > > > a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are likely to
> > > > achieve, fascist.
>
> > > You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> > > impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
>
> > At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
> > fascist.
>
> Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.
>
Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
greenwash. LOL!

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

On 25 Jun, 07:17, Doug  wrote:
> On 24 Jun, 10:14, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:> Doug  wrote:
> > > > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > > > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
> > > It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> > > your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> > Put the goalposts back where they were.
>
> So you now admit you are not carbon neutral after having claimed to be
> so?
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness', motorist.
>
> > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > > > > communist.
>
> > > > > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not use
> > > > > a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are likely to
> > > > > achieve, fascist.
>
> > > > You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> > > > impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
>
> > > At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
> > > fascist.
>
> > Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.
>
> Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> greenwash. LOL!

Gollum, you clearly have problems with reading and comprehension
(caused by the fact that you are a senile, drooling retard), so I'll
try and make it nice and simple for you.  Go back to the very first
post in this this thread.  Look at the very first sentence.  Read it
(or get your home help to read it for you).  It says "Heck, my home is
carbon neutral at last."

Read it again.  Do you see what it says?  Do you see the word "home"?
The claim is that his *home* is carbon neutral.  Not that he is, or
his car is, or his pet alligator is, but that his *home* is.

Now, just think for a moment.  I know that is hard for you, what with
the plaques that are forming in your brain, but give it a go.  Do you
see that Steve Firth claiming that his *home* is carbon neutral is
quite different to him claiming that *he* is carbon neutral.  You see,
Gollum, his *home* is just one part of his life.  He made no claims as
to the rest of his life.  It was you who made that bit up.  Do you see
now?

No, I expect you don't.  Never mind, it was worth a try.

BrianW wrote:

> Gollum, you clearly have problems with reading and comprehension
> (caused by the fact that you are a senile, drooling retard), so I'll
> try and make it nice and simple for you.  Go back to the very first
> post in this this thread.  Look at the very first sentence.  Read it
> (or get your home help to read it for you).  It says "Heck, my home is
> carbon neutral at last."
>
> Read it again.  Do you see what it says?  Do you see the word "home"?
> The claim is that his *home* is carbon neutral.  Not that he is, or
> his car is, or his pet alligator is, but that his *home* is.
>
> Now, just think for a moment.  I know that is hard for you, what with
> the plaques that are forming in your brain, but give it a go.  Do you
> see that Steve Firth claiming that his *home* is carbon neutral is
> quite different to him claiming that *he* is carbon neutral.  You see,
> Gollum, his *home* is just one part of his life.  He made no claims as
> to the rest of his life.  It was you who made that bit up.  Do you see
> now?
>
> No, I expect you don't.  Never mind, it was worth a try.

A valiant effort, sadly doomed to abject failure.

Doug  wrote:

> On 24 Jun, 10:14, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > > > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
> >
> > > It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> > > your use of human food is carbon neutral?
> >
> > Put the goalposts back where they were.
> >
> So you now admit you are not carbon neutral after having claimed to be
> so?

So now you admit that you're liar, a hypocrite and that your identity is
Douglas Bollen?

> > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness',
> > > > > > > motorist.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > > > > communist.
> >
> > > > > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not
> > > > > use a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are
> > > > > likely to achieve, fascist.
> >
> > > > You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> > > > impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
> >
> > > At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
> > > fascist.
> >
> > Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.
> >
> Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> greenwash. LOL!

Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
liar.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1ij1ax7.1baark81e8vm0qN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Doug  wrote:

>> >
>> At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
>> fascist.
>
> Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.

Oi - Don't call Steve a fascist - you're doing all Fascists a dis-service :)

On 25 Jun, 09:55, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > On 24 Jun, 10:14, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > > > > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
> > > > It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> > > > your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> > > Put the goalposts back where they were.
>
> > So you now admit you are not carbon neutral after having claimed to be
> > so?
>
> So now you admit that you're liar, a hypocrite and that your identity is
> Douglas Bollen?
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness',
> > > > > > > > motorist.
>
> > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > > > > > communist.
>
> > > > > > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not
> > > > > > use a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are
> > > > > > likely to achieve, fascist.
>
> > > > > You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> > > > > impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
>
> > > > At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
> > > > fascist.
>
> > > Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.
>
> > Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> > trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> > greenwash. LOL!
>
> Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
> liar.

At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
your home is carbon neutral, liar. How can it possibly be while it is
served by oil consuming transport and you are not completely self-
sufficient in everything, liar?

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The 4x4, more of a sewer than a convenience".

On Jun 26, 5:39 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 25 Jun, 09:55, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > On 24 Jun, 10:14, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > > > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > > > > > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
> > > > > It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> > > > > your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> > > > Put the goalposts back where they were.
>
> > > So you now admit you are not carbon neutral after having claimed to be
> > > so?
>
> > So now you admit that you're liar, a hypocrite and that your identity is
> > Douglas Bollen?
>
> > > > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness',
> > > > > > > > > motorist.
>
> > > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > > > > > > communist.
>
> > > > > > > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not
> > > > > > > use a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are
> > > > > > > likely to achieve, fascist.
>
> > > > > > You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> > > > > > impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
>
> > > > > At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
> > > > > fascist.
>
> > > > Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.
>
> > > Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> > > trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> > > greenwash. LOL!
>
> > Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
> > liar.
>
> At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
> your home is carbon neutral, liar. How can it possibly be while it is
> served by oil consuming transport and you are not completely self-
> sufficient in everything, liar?
>

Your turning goalpost moving into an art form...

Fod

On 26 Jun, 05:39, Doug  wrote:
> On 25 Jun, 09:55, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > On 24 Jun, 10:14, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> > > > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > > You impart to me motives I do not have, you lie about the carbon
> > > > > > neutrality of my home and you lie about by use of cars.
>
> > > > > It is you who repeatedly lie. You are surely not going to claim that
> > > > > your use of human food is carbon neutral?
>
> > > > Put the goalposts back where they were.
>
> > > So you now admit you are not carbon neutral after having claimed to be
> > > so?
>
> > So now you admit that you're liar, a hypocrite and that your identity is
> > Douglas Bollen?
>
> > > > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your wannabe 'greenness',
> > > > > > > > > motorist.
>
> > > > > > > > Stop trying to boast here about your concern for the environment,
> > > > > > > > communist.
>
> > > > > > > At least I do not try to pretend to be carbon neutral and I do not
> > > > > > > use a car, which is more caring for the environment than you are
> > > > > > > likely to achieve, fascist.
>
> > > > > > You do not even attempt to live up to the standards that you want to
> > > > > > impose on others, lying hypocritical neo-Stalinist.
>
> > > > > At least I try and do not make empty, lying greenwash boasts like you,
> > > > > fascist.
>
> > > > Every statement you make is an empty, lying greenwash boast.
>
> > > Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> > > trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> > > greenwash. LOL!
>
> > Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
> > liar.
>
> At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
> your home is carbon neutral, liar. How can it possibly be while it is
> served by oil consuming transport and you are not completely self-
> sufficient in everything, liar?

<Sigh>

I'll post it again:

Gollum, you clearly have problems with reading and comprehension
(caused by the fact that you are a senile, drooling retard), so I'll
try and make it nice and simple for you.  Go back to the very first
post in this this thread.  Look at the very first sentence.  Read it
(or get your home help to read it for you).  It says "Heck, my home
is
carbon neutral at last."

Read it again.  Do you see what it says?  Do you see the word "home"?
The claim is that his *home* is carbon neutral.  Not that he is, or
his car is, or his pet alligator is, but that his *home* is.

Now, just think for a moment.  I know that is hard for you, what with
the plaques that are forming in your brain, but give it a go.  Do you
see that Steve Firth claiming that his *home* is carbon neutral is
quite different to him claiming that *he* is carbon neutral.  You
see,
Gollum, his *home* is just one part of his life.  He made no claims
as
to the rest of his life.  It was you who made that bit up.  Do you
see
now?

No, I expect you don't.  Never mind, it was worth a try.

Doug  wrote:

> > > Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> > > trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> > > greenwash. LOL!
> >
> > Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
> > liar.
> 
> At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
> your home is carbon neutral

It was neither "wild" nor "boastful" it was what we term "accurate"

>, liar.

Liar yourself.

> How can it possibly be while it is served by oil consuming transport and
> you are not completely self- sufficient in everything, liar?

Which bit of "carbon neutral home" do you not understand?

On 2008-06-26, Doug  wrote:

> At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
> your home is carbon neutral, liar. How can it possibly be while it is
> served by oil consuming transport and you are not completely self-
> sufficient in everything, liar?

Because, as in everything, you don't understand what "carbon neutral" means.

-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

On 26 Jun, 11:15, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug  wrote:
> > > > Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> > > > trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> > > > greenwash. LOL!
>
> > > Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
> > > liar.
>
> > At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
> > your home is carbon neutral
>
> It was neither "wild" nor "boastful" it was what we term "accurate"
>
> >, liar.
>
> Liar yourself.
>
> > How can it possibly be while it is served by oil consuming transport and
> > you are not completely self- sufficient in everything, liar?
>
> Which bit of "carbon neutral home" do you not understand?

The bit where you ignore the services and journeys which supply that
home and cannot account for the sequestration of the carbon you do
release. Anyone can isolate one small aspect of their lifestyle and
boast it is 'carbon neutral' but that is an idle boast and just more
of your greenwash.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

On Jun 27, 6:34 am, Doug  wrote:
> On 26 Jun, 11:15, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> > > > > trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> > > > > greenwash. LOL!
>
> > > > Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
> > > > liar.
>
> > > At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
> > > your home is carbon neutral
>
> > It was neither "wild" nor "boastful" it was what we term "accurate"
>
> > >, liar.
>
> > Liar yourself.
>
> > > How can it possibly be while it is served by oil consuming transport and
> > > you are not completely self- sufficient in everything, liar?
>
> > Which bit of "carbon neutral home" do you not understand?
>
> The bit where you ignore the services and journeys which supply that
> home and cannot account for the sequestration of the carbon you do
> release. Anyone can isolate one small aspect of their lifestyle and
> boast it is 'carbon neutral' but that is an idle boast and just more
> of your greenwash.
>
> --
> World Carfree Networkhttp://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

So we should ignore you going on about your lifestyle then as its just
greenwash?

Fod

On 27 Jun, 06:34, Doug  wrote:
> On 26 Jun, 11:15, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Doug  wrote:
> > > > > Don't try to wriggle out of the pit you have dug for yourself by
> > > > > trying to claim you are 'carbon neutral'. Now that is your obvious
> > > > > greenwash. LOL!
>
> > > > Stop trying to twist my statement into something that I did not say, you
> > > > liar.
>
> > > At the start of this thread you made the wild and boastful claim that
> > > your home is carbon neutral
>
> > It was neither "wild" nor "boastful" it was what we term "accurate"
>
> > >, liar.
>
> > Liar yourself.
>
> > > How can it possibly be while it is served by oil consuming transport and
> > > you are not completely self- sufficien