Hi All,

I'm not sure if I'm early or late to this particular party but I've
bought a couple of the above, one for me to 'play with' and one for
our daughters boyfriend to borrow (while he retains the b/f status
anyway) ;-)

We dumped an NTL/VM telephone line a while back (still have the BT
line) that was for our daughter but as with many 17 year olds lives
with her mobile,  her land line wasn't good vfm.

I bought a Fritz!Box Fon Wlan (with help here) and a basic pair of
DECT phones (one downstairs, another up) but because our very old NTL
modem didn't like some of the network upgrades going on and was a bit
temperamental she would often get VoIP (Sipgate) calls dropped. I have
since replaced the modem and although the broadband is now rock solid
again she is still suffering the odd weird Dalek moment / dropout  on
VoIP? (VM cable and / or Sipgate possibly)?

Prompted by said b/f being instructed by his Mum to 'lay off the phone
usage (a £200 quarterly BT bill being something to do with it .. we
'understood' they had a free evenings and weekends bundle ...
obviously not ..) I thought I'd try him with the DP-L10.

I set mine up easily to Sipgate and also put in an old Virgin PAYG SIM
I had kicking about.  I've tried it from a few mates WiFi networks
(only quick test calls) where it seems to auto connect and register
onto Sipgate pretty reliably,  the calls connect first time and are
clear etc.

It feels very much a mobile rather than home phone in the hand as such
(also no drop-in charging cradle supplied but a mobile style (USB)
charging / data lead  ..   mains charger also included), mobile phone
type menus and setup etc.

Anyway, still early days but I'd thought I'd mention what I've
experienced so far.

All the best ..

T i m

On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 +0000, T i m wrote:

> I'm not sure if I'm early or late to this particular party but I've
> bought a couple of the above, 

I looked into these when they first came out, but was put off by the 
price [not far off the cost of a used N95 or E61, both of which have 3G 
as well]. As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised 
ones from them; is it possible to change the SIP proxy so it could be 
used elsewhere?

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On 03 May 2008 21:59:49 GMT, alexd  wrote:

>On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I'm early or late to this particular party but I've
>> bought a couple of the above, 
>
>I looked into these when they first came out, but was put off by the 
>price [not far off the cost of a used N95 or E61, both of which have 3G 
>as well]. 

Ok ..

>As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised 
>ones from them;

Yes, well I noticed they were pretty cheap (at £59 etc).

> is it possible to change the SIP proxy so it could be 
>used elsewhere?

From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?

Is there anything I could try to test that for you?

All the best ..

T i m

On Sat, 03 May 2008 22:18:50 +0000, T i m wrote:

> On 03 May 2008 21:59:49 GMT, alexd  wrote:

>> As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised ones 
>> from them;

> Yes, well I noticed they were pretty cheap (at £59 etc).

At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them 
at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on 
eBay, no mention of VAT]. But then I thought, even if they were locked, 
it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates. So 
I've come to the conclusion that either a) Sipgate get them cheaper than 
everyone else, b) Sipgate lose money on every one or, c) Everyone else is 
coining it in.

> From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?
> 
> Is there anything I could try to test that for you?

Just go into the WLAN/SIP settings and if it lets you specify anything 
other than sipgate.co.uk for domain name/proxy server/register server, 
then it should work with services other than Sipgate. I am interested in 
one and I use Sipgate, but I use it through Asterisk so if it was locked 
it would be no use to me.

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On 04 May 2008 11:44:33 GMT, alexd  wrote:

>On Sat, 03 May 2008 22:18:50 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> On 03 May 2008 21:59:49 GMT, alexd  wrote:
>
>>> As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised ones 
>>> from them;
>
>> Yes, well I noticed they were pretty cheap (at £59 etc).
>
>At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them 
>at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on 
>eBay, no mention of VAT]. 

I must say I was looking for the 'catch' (but didn't spot any) and as
I was probably going to use them through Sipgate anyway so it wasn't a
show stopper for me.

>But then I thought, even if they were locked, 
>it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates.

Indeed, especially from me!

> So 
>I've come to the conclusion that either 

>a) Sipgate get them cheaper than everyone else,

Might have done a deal ..? Do you know how old this model is .. or is
there something better due out soon?

> b) Sipgate lose money on every one

Do the bean counters let that happen these days?

>c) Everyone else is 
>coining it in.

That would be my bet. If you can buy a WiFi dongle for a couple of
quid, a mobile for £20 and a pair of DECT phones for the same I can't
see any device like that selling for more than 50 quid really?
>
>> From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?
>> 
>> Is there anything I could try to test that for you?
>
>Just go into the WLAN/SIP settings and if it lets you specify anything 
>other than sipgate.co.uk for domain name/proxy server/register server, 
>then it should work with services other than Sipgate. I am interested in 
>one and I use Sipgate, but I use it through Asterisk so if it was locked 
>it would be no use to me.

Ok, weal I changed the domain to a made up one and I lost the VOIP
field on the display (so it did something that's for sure). I blanked
the field and it said VOIP again?

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. Daughters boyfriend has just set his up and we have had a chat.
I'll have to say the audio quality was pretty good. ;-)

> >At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them> >at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on
> >eBay, no mention of VAT].

€99 on ebay Germany:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Dual-mode-Wi-Fi-GSM-T-COM-TC300-Pirelli-DP-L10_W0QQitemZ130217873596QQihZ003QQcategoryZ108269QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


> >> From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?

Yes, as long as the firmware allows it. We have 3 of these at home -
all with different firmwares - all registered to a home PiaF Asterisk
system. Though not the Pirelli phone, they're T-Mobile TC300s, which
is basically a rebadged version. Used in conjunction with the TC300
Sinus base staion, the phones can be used to call, and receive calls,
via 3 different routes - 1 as an ordinary mobile (GSM), 2 through a
VOIP account (voipbuster/asterisk or whatever) and 3 through your
landline. Without the Sinus base station, it has just the 2 modes, GSM
and VOIP, though of course, used with a Fritzbox,  Asterisk or
Speedtouch 780wl, or whatever kit has PSTN connectivity, you should be
able to dial out via your landline too...

> >Just go into the WLAN/SIP settings and if it lets you specify anything
> >other than sipgate.co.uk for domain name/proxy server/register server,
> >then it should work with services other than Sipgate. I am interested in
> >one and I use Sipgate, but I use it through Asterisk so if it was locked
> >it would be no use to me.

Don't know if the Sipgate one is locked or not. If it /is/ locked, you
could always change the firmware?

There are voipbuster setup instructions (in Spanish) here:
http://www.frikis.net/tc-300-voipbuster-llamadas-gratis/566

alexd wrote:
> At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them 
> at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on 
> eBay, no mention of VAT]. But then I thought, even if they were locked, 
> it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates. So 
> I've come to the conclusion that either a) Sipgate get them cheaper than 
> everyone else, b) Sipgate lose money on every one or, c) Everyone else is 
> coining it in.

Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.

Tim

"Tim"  wrote in message
news:48203884$0$660$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> alexd wrote:
> > At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling
them
> > at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109
on
> > eBay, no mention of VAT]. But then I thought, even if they were locked,
> > it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates. So
> > I've come to the conclusion that either a) Sipgate get them cheaper than
> > everyone else, b) Sipgate lose money on every one or, c) Everyone else
is
> > coining it in.
>
> Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
>
> Tim

Judging by the "blanket" email Sipgate has sent to its registered users, the
phone must
not be selling?

Draw your own conclusions!

On Fri, 9 May 2008 23:17:45 +0100, "Nick" 
wrote:

>
>"Tim"  wrote in message
>news:48203884$0$660$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>> alexd wrote:
>> > At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling
>them
>> > at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109
>on
>> > eBay, no mention of VAT]. But then I thought, even if they were locked,
>> > it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates. So
>> > I've come to the conclusion that either a) Sipgate get them cheaper than
>> > everyone else, b) Sipgate lose money on every one or, c) Everyone else
>is
>> > coining it in.
>>
>> Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
>>
>> Tim
>
>Judging by the "blanket" email Sipgate has sent to its registered users, the
>phone must
>not be selling?
>
>Draw your own conclusions!
>
I surprised that anything is selling regarding Sipgate I requested
that they completely remove me from their database a year or so ago
now but they still so fit to stuff their rubbish into my mailbox.
It is time their UK representative got them sorted regarding sending
out unsolicited mail in fact I shall be in the land of the great Adolf
in a couple of weeks time I shall drop in and sort them myself .

Tim
>Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.

Not necessarily, this is an unknown make (of phone) in UK and probably 
Europe too, and it's neither simple mobile phone, nor fully featured one 
like the top of the range Nokia's, etc.
Consequently it must be fairly difficult to sell.
But the price is right, so I am tempted.
Regards,
Martin

"Martin²"  wrote in message 
news:7I2dnQ3BnYevYLnVnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@plusnet...
> Tim
>>Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
>
> Not necessarily, this is an unknown make (of phone) in UK and probably 
> Europe too, and it's neither simple mobile phone, nor fully featured one 
> like the top of the range Nokia's, etc.
> Consequently it must be fairly difficult to sell.
> But the price is right, so I am tempted.
> Regards,
> Martin

And so was I, so I did,  yesterday afternoon.   Had an email an hour or so 
later with a UPS tracking number to tell me it's on its way.

I understand that it's already loaded up with the Sipgate configuration for 
voip, but when it arrives I'll have a go at changing that to Voxalot and 
I'll report back.

It's all that T i m's fault.  Yes, him with the spaces.  He started all 
this.

On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 GMT, T i m said:

>Anyway, still early days but I'd thought I'd mention what I've
>experienced so far.

One thing that puts me off this phone is the one hour talk time (as
reported by Sipgate). Is it really as bad as that?

On Sat, 10 May 2008 02:41:02 +0100, "Martin²"  wrote:

>Tim
>>Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
>
>Not necessarily, this is an unknown make (of phone) in UK and probably 
>Europe too, and it's neither simple mobile phone, nor fully featured one 
>like the top of the range Nokia's, etc.
>Consequently it must be fairly difficult to sell.
>But the price is right, so I am tempted.
>Regards,
>Martin
>
>
As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .

mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

> As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
> Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .

We can rely on you to get it wrong, Ron.

In news:1210417437.26663.0@proxy01.news.clara.net,
Iain  typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
: mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
:
: > As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
: > Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .
:
: We can rely on you to get it wrong, Ron.

Indeed ;-)

I look forward to a review from someone who's bought one, quite tempted. 
The battery life quoted is a bit worrying though, being used to a Nokia 
6310i which lasts for weeks on standby..!


Ivor

"simon" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message 
news:2jja24pmvshi3lcmlri50i4urjcq3dju94@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 GMT, T i m said:
>
>>Anyway, still early days but I'd thought I'd mention what I've
>>experienced so far.
>
> One thing that puts me off this phone is the one hour talk time (as
> reported by Sipgate). Is it really as bad as that?

This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported talk time of 
240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.

http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#

In news:g048lb$5t4$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
: "simon" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message
: news:2jja24pmvshi3lcmlri50i4urjcq3dju94@4ax.com...
: > On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 GMT, T i m said:
: >
: >>Anyway, still early days but I'd thought I'd mention what I've
: >>experienced so far.
: >
: > One thing that puts me off this phone is the one hour talk time (as
: > reported by Sipgate). Is it really as bad as that?
:
: This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported talk
: time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
:
: http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#

Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli 
version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?

Ivor

In news:63m924pgeg5d3lc6vpdporhutb0khredfh@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:

[snip]

: I surprised that anything is selling regarding Sipgate I requested
: that they completely remove me from their database a year or so ago
: now but they still so fit to stuff their rubbish into my mailbox.
: It is time their UK representative got them sorted regarding sending
: out unsolicited mail in fact I shall be in the land of the great Adolf
: in a couple of weeks time I shall drop in and sort them myself .

I'd pay to see that..! I thought you said you'd never set foot in Germany, 
Ron..?

Ivor

On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:07:45 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>In news:63m924pgeg5d3lc6vpdporhutb0khredfh@4ax.com,
>mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
>unexplained reason:
>
>[snip]
>
>: I surprised that anything is selling regarding Sipgate I requested
>: that they completely remove me from their database a year or so ago
>: now but they still so fit to stuff their rubbish into my mailbox.
>: It is time their UK representative got them sorted regarding sending
>: out unsolicited mail in fact I shall be in the land of the great Adolf
>: in a couple of weeks time I shall drop in and sort them myself .
>
>I'd pay to see that..! I thought you said you'd never set foot in Germany, 
>Ron..?
Where Sipgate is concerned I would even set foot in blasted Israel.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:68lve5F2tmnnfU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:g048lb$5t4$1@energise.enta.net,
> cybuerke  typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported talk
> : time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
> :
> : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
>
> Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
> version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
>
> Ivor

<sucks in breath> I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be 
delivered on Wednesday.  I've checked the user manual for both 'models' and 
they're identical.   Any significant difference though, and back it trots to 
Dusseldorf.

I'll report back.

In news:fcjb241f0hsa6v00pc5bu7d7f1dtam26gr@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:07:45 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >In news:63m924pgeg5d3lc6vpdporhutb0khredfh@4ax.com,
: >mymail@hotmail.co.uk  typed, for some strange,
: >unexplained reason:
: >
: >[snip]
: >
: >: I surprised that anything is selling regarding Sipgate I requested
: >: that they completely remove me from their database a year or so ago
: >: now but they still so fit to stuff their rubbish into my mailbox.
: >: It is time their UK representative got them sorted regarding
: >: sending out unsolicited mail in fact I shall be in the land of the
: >: great Adolf in a couple of weeks time I shall drop in and sort
: >: them myself .
: >
: >I'd pay to see that..! I thought you said you'd never set foot in
: >Germany, Ron..?

: Where Sipgate is concerned I would even set foot in blasted Israel.

Ok let me know when, I'll come and watch..! I might even sell tickets.

Ivor

In news:g04j2u$oir$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
: news:68lve5F2tmnnfU1@mid.individual.net...
: > In news:g048lb$5t4$1@energise.enta.net,
: > cybuerke  typed, for some strange,
: > unexplained reason:
: > : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported
: > : talk time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
: > :
: > : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
: >
: > Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
: > version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
: >
: > Ivor
:
: <sucks in breath> I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
: delivered on Wednesday.  I've checked the user manual for both
: 'models' and they're identical.   Any significant difference though,
: and back it trots to Dusseldorf.
:
: I'll report back.

Please do, very interested so far.

Ivor

>As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
>Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .

Jumping to conclusions again ?
Quite likely they got a job lot on the cheap, as I said, probably not a good 
seller or maybe end of line,
but neither means that "must have something wrong with them ".
Martin

On 10 May, 13:51, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> I look forward to a review from someone who's bought one, quite tempted.
> The battery life quoted is a bit worrying though, being used to a Nokia
> 6310i which lasts for weeks on standby..!
>
> Ivor

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have 3 of these at home.
We've had them for over a year and, yes, there are a few limitations.
That said, I do feel that they are quite good value for money - as
they suit our particular use...... My comments are based on the T-
Mobile TC300, a rebadged version of this phone, but one of ours has
the Pirelli firmware installed.

Limitations include:
1) Crap batteries and battery life. Two of the three we have were
bough second hand (as nearly new) off eBay and the batteries on those
2 handsets are diabolical... 4-6 hours on standby with only half an
hours talktime. New batteries can be had for about 20 Euros off ebay.
With a "good" battery, ti needs recharging after 2 days on standby.
These battery issues aren't really a problem for us as they sit in
their charging cradle when not in use. As the phones have to maintain
GSM and WLAN/SIP registration I suppose this adds to battery
consumption. If set to just GSM or WLAN batteries last a bit longer.
2) Wifi coverage around our house is not as good as the 2 pairs of
cordless Dect phones we also use, ie we can use the Dects in some
rooms where the TC300s struggle to hold the signal.
3) You can set up 5 WLAN profiles on the phone, which is good, but you
can only have a 2 SIP profiles. One SIP profile is set to be used in
conjunction with the Sinus TC 300 base station and the other 4 WLAN
profiles tie in with another SIP profile. The solution to this is to
change the firmware to one that allows 5 WLAN profiles AND 5 SIP
profiles (one tied into each WALN profile). This firmware can be found
somewhere on the http://www.ip-phone-forum.de site. I can't find the
forum thread which talks about it now, though I did save the page.
Anyone who wants a copy, email me. One of our phones (mine!) has this
firmware and works fine. It's useful as the default is to our home
Asterisk box when I'm at home and to voipstunt when using friends
WLANs. Oh, a word on upgrading the firmware.... do it at YOUR OWN RISK
- I have found that having done this I can no longer access the phone
via PC USB software to downgrade....

These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
less than €100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a €49
new with a base station and the other 2 cost €50 total thru ebay, one
of which also came with a base station.

--

On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:37:05 +0100, "Martin²"  wrote:

>>As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
>>Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .
>
>Jumping to conclusions again ?
>Quite likely they got a job lot on the cheap, as I said, probably not a good 
>seller or maybe end of line,
>but neither means that "must have something wrong with them ".
>Martin 
>
I did say something wrong or DIFFERENT Martin and no matter who is
selling a product many people have found that when a product being
sold at two thirds cheaper than from other sellers there is something
a miss.
I nearly bought one of these phones quite a few months ago now but
bought a UT Starcom instead mainly because I could drive over to the
supplier and buy and use it the same day and not have to wonder when
I would receive delivery or IF .
>Jumping to conclusions again ?
 Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
quite a lot of money over the years .

On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT), voiptalker@gmail.com wrote:


>These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
>particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
>less than €100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a €49
>new with a base station and the other 2 cost €50 total thru ebay, one
>of which also came with a base station.

From what you have said here these phones have the same problems has a
UTstarcom in particular battery life , thanks for posting this info my
cash stays in my bank account not that I would have bought from
Sipgate anyway sooner buy from suppliers within driving distance .

It happens that mymail@hotmail.com formulated :
> Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
> long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
> quite a lot of money over the years .

It's not helped you know the difference between has & as

On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:57:13 +0100, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid>
wrote:

>It happens that mymail@hotmail.com formulated :
>> Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
>> long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
>> quite a lot of money over the years .
>
>It's not helped you know the difference between has & as
You know I just do not give a damn so get stuffed if you don't like it
you know what to do and again I just do not give a damn.

In news:i8ud24lh040c8a67hm1trffce5qppi364f@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT), voiptalker@gmail.com wrote:
:
:
: >These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
: >particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
: >less than ?100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a
: >?49 new with a base station and the other 2 cost ?50 total thru
: >ebay, one of which also came with a base station.
:
: From what you have said here these phones have the same problems has a
: UTstarcom in particular battery life , thanks for posting this info my
: cash stays in my bank account not that I would have bought from
: Sipgate anyway sooner buy from suppliers within driving distance .

You could buy one from Sipgate when you go to see them Ron, when was it 
again, I'll meet you there.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:68mdumFtkicnU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:g04j2u$oir$1@energise.enta.net,
> cybuerke  typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : > : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported
> : > : talk time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
> : > :
> : > : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
> : >
> : > Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
> : > version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
> : >
> : > Ivor
> :
> : <sucks in breath> I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
> : delivered on Wednesday.  I've checked the user manual for both
> : 'models' and they're identical.   Any significant difference though,
> : and back it trots to Dusseldorf.
> :
> : I'll report back.
>
> Please do, very interested so far.
>
> Ivor

If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to 
http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/  and just leave your sip addy.

wrote in message 
news:tm2e24h39h0k8bbfr1vir91e1nk4qt02ig@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:57:13 +0100, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>It happens that mymail@hotmail.com formulated :
>>> Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
>>> long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
>>> quite a lot of money over the years .
>>
>>It's not helped you know the difference between has & as
> You know I just do not give a damn so get stuffed if you don't like it
> you know what to do and again I just do not give a damn.

Will you please stop morphing you trolling twat?

I'm sick and tired of having to return you to the bozo bin every couple of 
weeks.

-- 
  Unlock Your Phone's Potential
        www.UselessInfo.org.uk
   www.ThePhoneLocker.co.uk
     www.GSM-Solutions.co.uk

On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:46:06 +0100, "cybuerke" 
wrote:

>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:68mdumFtkicnU1@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:g04j2u$oir$1@energise.enta.net,
>> cybuerke  typed, for some strange, unexplained
>> reason:
>> : > : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported
>> : > : talk time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
>> : > :
>> : > : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
>> : >
>> : > Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
>> : > version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
>> : >
>> : > Ivor
>> :
>> : <sucks in breath> I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
>> : delivered on Wednesday.  I've checked the user manual for both
>> : 'models' and they're identical.   Any significant difference though,
>> : and back it trots to Dusseldorf.
>> :
>> : I'll report back.
>>
>> Please do, very interested so far.
>>
>> Ivor
>
>If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to 
>http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/  and just leave your sip addy. 
>
>I'm far too mean to spend money on phone calls

You sure you are not Ivor ? :))))) .

In news:g07ig3$3176$1@energise.enta.net,

[snip]

: If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to
: http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/  and just leave your sip addy.

Any idea what time of day..? I work shifts and will be in until around 12 
noon or so on Thursday but out after that until very late.

Ivor

wrote in message 
news:0tje249hks0ebkh94791d8tuptbcu17ec4@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:46:06 +0100, "cybuerke" 
> wrote:
>>I'm far too mean to spend money on phone calls
>
> You sure you are not Ivor ? :))))) .

Not the last time I looked, Ron.

Incidentally, with apologies for veering off topic, and indeed for spoiling 
the illusion, didn't I catch you two in another place corresponding very 
civilly a couple of weeks back?

"Aah", thought I, "that's nice, they're quite nice people, deep down".

Were I of a more emotional bent, I might even have wiped a tear from my eye.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:68p2u6F2sjki9U1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:g07ig3$3176$1@energise.enta.net,
>
> [snip]
>
> : If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to
> : http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/  and just leave your sip addy.
>
> Any idea what time of day..? I work shifts and will be in until around 12
> noon or so on Thursday but out after that until very late.
>
> Ivor

As I think your number is a Sipgate one, it'll be before I start hacking the 
bejazus out of the configuration doings,  so before noon, but out of 
consideration for the probable fact that you'll have worked late on 
Wednesday, not as early as this!

In news:g08k6l$1r0s$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
: news:68p2u6F2sjki9U1@mid.individual.net...
: > In news:g07ig3$3176$1@energise.enta.net,
: >
: > [snip]
: >
: > : If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to
: > : http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/  and just leave your sip
: > : addy.
: >
: > Any idea what time of day..? I work shifts and will be in until
: > around 12 noon or so on Thursday but out after that until very late.
: >
: > Ivor
:
: As I think your number is a Sipgate one, it'll be before I start
: hacking the bejazus out of the configuration doings,  so before noon,
: but out of consideration for the probable fact that you'll have
: worked late on Wednesday, not as early as this!

Ok, I'll be here.

Ivor

On Mon, 12 May 2008 06:21:15 +0100, "cybuerke" 
wrote:

> wrote in message 
>news:0tje249hks0ebkh94791d8tuptbcu17ec4@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:46:06 +0100, "cybuerke" 
>> wrote:
>>>I'm far too mean to spend money on phone calls
>>
>> You sure you are not Ivor ? :))))) .
>
>Not the last time I looked, Ron.

It just crossed my mind due to the fact that I know Ivor don't like to
spend money on quality phone calls and services .
On a different subject I get the feeling that the  Pirelli is out of
the same stable as the UT Starcom so to speak and if it is it will be
a load of junk which would explain why Sipgate are selling them so
cheap . My three Starcom F1000's have been sat in a cupboard for
months now battery life is rubbish besides which with the free calls
from BT and free minutes on mobile who needs VOIP anymore .
I look forward to reading any reports on how the Pirelli performs .

On 11 May, 21:46, "cybuerke"  wrote:
> If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over tohttp://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/ and just leave your sip addy.

Any chance of adding a text field to that form for additional info
like best time to call or other relevant notes?

By the way, form playing with mine here, the only way I see to call a
SIP address like 1111111@sipgate.co.uk is to add an entry to your
contacts and then call it by accessing the addressbook. When you save
an entry to the contacts list be sure to add it to the "phone" (under
the VOIP entry) rather than the SIM card. If you try to add it to the
SIM it won't accept letters and characters like @.

Cheers
--

wrote in message 
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On 11 May, 21:46, "cybuerke"  wrote:
> If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over 
> tohttp://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/ and just leave your sip addy.

**
Any chance of adding a text field to that form for additional info
like best time to call or other relevant notes?

**
Excellent wheeze, but that would infer some kind of organisational method on 
my part.  Not knowing if the phone will arrive when promised, or indeed 
whether some calamity might interfere with my own plans, I'd rather not 
commit myself too much.

**
By the way, form playing with mine here, the only way I see to call a
SIP address like 1111111@sipgate.co.uk is to add an entry to your
contacts and then call it by accessing the addressbook. When you save
an entry to the contacts list be sure to add it to the "phone" (under
the VOIP entry) rather than the SIM card. If you try to add it to the
SIM it won't accept letters and characters like @.

**
Again, the method will be a handraulic one rather than copy, paste and 
click.  Even as I type, I'm soaking my right thumb in vinegar.

On May 12, 4:33 pm, "cybuerke"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:17037739-f4c9-4251-b1b1-280c0d99a2e5@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 11 May, 21:46, "cybuerke"  wrote:
>
> > If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over
> > tohttp://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/and just leave your sip addy.
>
> **
> Any chance of adding a text field to that form for additional info
> like best time to call or other relevant notes?
>
> **
> Excellent wheeze, but that would infer some kind of organisational method on
> my part.  Not knowing if the phone will arrive when promised, or indeed
> whether some calamity might interfere with my own plans, I'd rather not
> commit myself too much.
Fair enough. Just thought that as you'd gone to all the effort of
setting up a form that already has 2 text fields, it wouldn't be too
much to add another. I'm sure you'll understand I'd rather not post
personal details to the group. Never mind.

Cheers
--

Ron
>free calls from BT and free minutes on mobile

You mean 'free' as in 'unlimited' ?
No such thing as a free lunch.....
Regards,
Martin

The phone arrived just before mid-day as promised.  The packaging was 
excellent, the outer box being over twice the length of the display box 
containing the gubbins. Not a dent or a crease to be seen, so kudos to 
Sipgate and UPS.  Just to knock the Teutonic efficiency a little bit 
though - my phone number was displayed on the outer box for the benefit of 
the courier, but it was in international format with a '49' country code.
("Nein, nein, zer iz no Herr Cybuerke at zis nummer".)

According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but 
inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a 24 
hour charge had been applied.  Not a big problem in itself, but I'm 
wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have 
something to do with this?  There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead 
that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains plug) 
at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.  The 
euro plug felt very hot after a few minutes, so I'll be checking on that. 
I've parked a smoke detector and a dry powder extinguisher nearby just in 
case.  (Wotdya mean, paranoid?)

One more thing.  I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get 
past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted, it 
looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part.  I'll see if I 
can scrounge one to try.

On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:20:57 +0100, "cybuerke" 
wrote:

>The phone arrived just before mid-day as promised.  The packaging was 
>excellent, the outer box being over twice the length of the display box 
>containing the gubbins. Not a dent or a crease to be seen, so kudos to 
>Sipgate and UPS.
So far so good
>  Just to knock the Teutonic efficiency a little bit 
>though - my phone number was displayed on the outer box for the benefit of 
>the courier, but it was in international format with a '49' country code.
>("Nein, nein, zer iz no Herr Cybuerke at zis nummer".)

Looks like Sipgate do not regard a customers privacy a great deal
can't see the phone number being displayed for the world to see being
down to UPS who in my opinion are the very best in the business, we
have had many deliveries and collections by them without complaint . 
>According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but 
>inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a 24 
>hour charge had been applied.  
I have had 8's and 12hr charges but never seen a 24 hr request .

>Not a big problem in itself, but I'm 
>wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have 
>something to do with this?

More than likely 
>  There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead 
>that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains plug) 
>at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.  The 
>euro plug felt very hot after a few minutes, so I'll be checking on that. 
>I've parked a smoke detector and a dry powder extinguisher nearby just in 
>case.  (Wotdya mean, paranoid?)

Now you have really put me of buying one only waited to read what you
have posted and very pleased I did on the other hand you don't get a
cradle with the Starcoms either although they are available at extra
cost .what really has put me of is the messing about with the euro
plug and having to use a UK plug also. I bought a radio scanner some
time ago that came with this sort of set up these where two great
massive  contraptions  the lot went back sharpish .

>One more thing.  I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get 
>past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted, it 
>looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part.  I'll see if I 
>can scrounge one to try. 
>
Best of luck and I hope it all works out for you but I can't be doing
with " toys"that need all that stuff before one can use them my money
stays in the bank :)))) .

On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:20:57 +0100, "cybuerke" 
wrote:

>The phone arrived just before mid-day as promised.  The packaging was 
>excellent, the outer box being over twice the length of the display box 
>containing the gubbins. Not a dent or a crease to be seen, so kudos to 
>Sipgate and UPS.
So far so good
>  Just to knock the Teutonic efficiency a little bit 
>though - my phone number was displayed on the outer box for the benefit of 
>the courier, but it was in international format with a '49' country code.
>("Nein, nein, zer iz no Herr Cybuerke at zis nummer".)

Looks like Sipgate do not regard a customers privacy a great deal
can't see the phone number being displayed for the world to see being
down to UPS who in my opinion are the very best in the business, we
have had many deliveries and collections by them without complaint . 
>According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but 
>inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a 24 
>hour charge had been applied.  
I have had 8's and 12hr charges but never seen a 24 hr request .

>Not a big problem in itself, but I'm 
>wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have 
>something to do with this?

More than likely 
>  There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead 
>that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains plug) 
>at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.  The 
>euro plug felt very hot after a few minutes, so I'll be checking on that. 
>I've parked a smoke detector and a dry powder extinguisher nearby just in 
>case.  (Wotdya mean, paranoid?)

Now you have really put me of buying one only waited to read what you
have posted and very pleased I did on the other hand you don't get a
cradle with the Starcoms either although they are available at extra
cost .what really has put me of is the messing about with the euro
plug and having to use a UK plug also. I bought a radio scanner some
time ago that came with this sort of set up these where two great
massive  contraptions  the lot went back sharpish .

>One more thing.  I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get 
>past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted, it 
>looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part.  I'll see if I 
>can scrounge one to try. 
>
Best of luck and I hope it all works out for you but I can't be doing
with " toys"that need all that stuff before one can use them my money
stays in the bank :)))) .

On May 14, 2:20 pm, "cybuerke"  wrote:

> According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but
> inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a 24
> hour charge had been applied.  Not a big problem in itself, but I'm
> wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have
> something to do with this?

Maybe.

> There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead
> that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains plug> at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.

The usb lead is one way to charge the phone but not recommended. See
this site: http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php?t=140439 where
they say:
""Don't charge with the USB cable, or be careful not to overcharge the
battery.""

Oh and that link above is the page with instructions on firmware to
set up to 5 SIP profiles - which I mentioned earlier in the thread.

> One more thing.  I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get> past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted, it
> looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part.  I'll see if I
> can scrounge one to try.

EH? The WAP part has nowt to do with the VOIP configuration. WAP CAN
be used via the WLAN connection without a SIM. One of ours doesn't
have a SIM card in it.... That said WAP surfing is pretty dire on this
display, but not something we use, so not an issue here....

Or did you mean the WEP security settings part of a WLAN connection?

--

wrote in message 
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On May 14, 2:20 pm, "cybuerke"  wrote:

> According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but
> inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a 
> 24
> hour charge had been applied. Not a big problem in itself, but I'm
> wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have
> something to do with this?

Maybe.

> There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead
> that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains 
> plug)
> at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.

The usb lead is one way to charge the phone but not recommended. See
this site: http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php?t=140439 where
they say:
""Don't charge with the USB cable, or be careful not to overcharge the
battery.""

****
The proverbial rock and hard place then - damned if I do and damned if I 
don't.

****
Oh and that link above is the page with instructions on firmware to
set up to 5 SIP profiles - which I mentioned earlier in the thread.

****
Didn't mention this before, but there's a mini CD enclosed with a firmware 
upgrade on it.  It's not available just now, but I'll look out the version 
no. later.

****
> One more thing. I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get
> past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted, 
> it
> looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part. I'll see if I
> can scrounge one to try.

EH? The WAP part has nowt to do with the VOIP configuration. WAP CAN
be used via the WLAN connection without a SIM. One of ours doesn't
have a SIM card in it.... That said WAP surfing is pretty dire on this
display, but not something we use, so not an issue here....

Or did you mean the WEP security settings part of a WLAN connection?

****
My mistook - the battery showed up as being fully charged within an hour, 
and only then was I able to enter the VOIP Settings.  I've now got it 
configured for Sipgate because those nice people in Dusseldorf published a 
web page with the settings laid out a la Janet and John.

On May 14, 7:01 pm, "cybuerke"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:cfed5275-a6be-425a-b0e3-db1a753232bb@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 14, 2:20 pm, "cybuerke"  wrote:
>
> > According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but
> > inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a
> > 24
> > hour charge had been applied. Not a big problem in itself, but I'm
> > wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have
> > something to do with this?
>
> Maybe.
>
> > There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead
> > that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains
> > plug)
> > at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.
>
> The usb lead is one way to charge the phone but not recommended. See
> this site:http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php?t=140439where
> they say:
> ""Don't charge with the USB cable, or be careful not to overcharge the
> battery.""
>
> ****
> The proverbial rock and hard place then - damned if I do and damned if I
> don't.

I'm quite surprised it doesn't come supplied with a cradle. Maybe the
euro mains plug you mention has some kind of "limiter" to protect
against overcharging?

The bit I quoted above refers to, I think, charging with just a normal
USB lead (normal USB plug one end and a mini USB the other end)
connected to a computer. Always handy for a quick charge if you're out
at a friend's or the office and you done have the normal charger
cradle with you.

EDIT: Having just written the above, I decide to take the cradle apart
to see what is inside. See this pic:
http://redy.net/voiptalker/DCP03869.JPG
As you can see there is a small circuit board inside the cradle -
maybe this is what stops overcharging?

As you say - rock and fireplace syndrome

--

wrote in message 
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The bit I quoted above refers to, I think, charging with just a normal
USB lead (normal USB plug one end and a mini USB the other end)
connected to a computer. Always handy for a quick charge if you're out
at a friend's or the office and you done have the normal charger
cradle with you.

EDIT: Having just written the above, I decide to take the cradle apart
to see what is inside. See this pic:
http://redy.net/voiptalker/DCP03869.JPG
As you can see there is a small circuit board inside the cradle -
maybe this is what stops overcharging?

As you say - rock and fireplace syndrome

****
It looks as though we have the same kind of 2 pin euro plug, which looks to 
be larger than is necessary for connecting two wires to two pins. Maybe 
there's some kind of resistor in that to control the power supply?  (Note to 
the uninitiated in the ways of sparkery here - I could be talking complete 
cods at this point, so pay no attention.)

Any road up - I intend to leave it on charge for 24 hours as per the 
destructions, and if I'm not left with a pile of melted plastic by noon 
tomorrow, that'll be a bonus.

In news:g0fca3$1l3l$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:

[snip]

: It looks as though we have the same kind of 2 pin euro plug, which
: looks to be larger than is necessary for connecting two wires to two
: pins. Maybe there's some kind of resistor in that to control the
: power supply?  (Note to the uninitiated in the ways of sparkery here
: - I could be talking complete cods at this point, so pay no
: attention.)
:
: Any road up - I intend to leave it on charge for 24 hours as per the
: destructions, and if I'm not left with a pile of melted plastic by
: noon tomorrow, that'll be a bonus.

I wouldn't worry too much, plug-top PSU's often get rather warm, I've had 
a few that you could hardly touch, but I'm still here ;-)

I'll hopefully be in until noon if you have a working phone to call..! 
Just taken the plunge and ordered one so we'll see how it goes......


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:690r4jF2udq3qU1@mid.individual.net...
> I wouldn't worry too much, plug-top PSU's often get rather warm, I've had
> a few that you could hardly touch, but I'm still here ;-)
>
> I'll hopefully be in until noon if you have a working phone to call..!
> Just taken the plunge and ordered one so we'll see how it goes......
>
>
> Ivor

The 24 hours charge seems to have been OK.  The euro plug didn't become any 
hotter than it was after the first few minutes.

I did notice that the battery level indicator showed a full charge very 
early on, but while I was faffing about with the settings this morning, it 
reverted back to showing a 'charging' status.  I pulled the plug anyway 
after the 24 hours was up, and it showed a full charge on battery power.  It 
still does after an hour and a half of setting and resetting the voip 
connection from Sipgate to Voxalot where I've got 5 different accounts to 
play around with.  You wouldn't believe how many different status and echo 
tests you can make if you really put your mind to it.  Not to mention the 
'Tellme' service news, sports and weather updates from the states!  It 
performed well through all this, and even when the signal strength was only 
2 bars out of 6, strength and clarity was very good.

What I thought was a firmware upgrade on a mini cd actually turned out to be 
a 'utility' programme.  I think the idea is to configure the phone from the 
computer, but although the proggy installed ok on Windows XP and the phone 
shows up correctly on the task bar, I get a box popping up asking for the 
handset number, which at the moment I don't have a clue where to find.  When 
I feel the need, I'll look for it.

On May 15, 1:28 pm, "cybuerke"  wrote:

> What I thought was a firmware upgrade on a mini cd actually turned out to be
> a 'utility' programme.  I think the idea is to configure the phone from the
> computer, but although the proggy installed ok on Windows XP and the phone> shows up correctly on the task bar, I get a box popping up asking for the
> handset number, which at the moment I don't have a clue where to find.  When
> I feel the need, I'll look for it.

The utility program is what you need to upgrade firmware, download
hpotos off the phone,  etc.

The phone code by default is 4 zeros - 0000 to connect via the utility

--

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The utility program is what you need to upgrade firmware, download
hpotos off the phone,  etc.

The phone code by default is 4 zeros - 0000 to connect via the utility

--

Ah - righty ho, thanks for that.

One more thing.  I lost wireless signal on wifi a couple of times this
afternoon, even though I was almost on top of the router.  Have you had
probs with this?  Or perhaps I may have been covering the antenna with my
hand.  Would you know if that lives behind the little holes that are
alongside the camera?

"cybuerke"  wrote in message 
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> One more thing.  I lost wireless signal on wifi a couple of times this
> afternoon, even though I was almost on top of the router.  Have you had
> probs with this?  Or perhaps I may have been covering the antenna with my
> hand.

Happened again last night, and this time I was able to track it down to a 
failed WPA passphrase handshake with the router.

I've really got far too much hanging off this router.  Four eth. ports + 
four wireless connections including this phone.  Summats gonna have to go...

On May 16, 10:54 am, "cybuerke"  wrote:

> I've really got far too much hanging off this router.  Four eth. ports > four wireless connections including this phone.  Summats gonna have to go...

Doesn't sound that much to me. We have 4 ethernet, 1 USB and 5
wireless connections to our router here with no issues of that
type.... Don't know what router you use, but I thought most of the
newish ones (at least 5 years or so) can handle up to 254 connections.

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On May 16, 10:54 am, "cybuerke"  wrote:

> I've really got far too much hanging off this router. Four eth. ports +
> four wireless connections including this phone. Summats gonna have to 
> go...

Doesn't sound that much to me. We have 4 ethernet, 1 USB and 5
wireless connections to our router here with no issues of that
type.... Don't know what router you use, but I thought most of the
newish ones (at least 5 years or so) can handle up to 254 connections.

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Well, it's a Belkin (love 'em or hate 'em) F5D8630.  I do get the occasional 
blip on the network front.  Can more or less rule out the cabling to the 
exchange as that was renewed a couple of years back.  The internals are 
good - filtered face plate and a very short run to the modem/router.  New 
Cat 5e cables.

When I run Wireshark, the scrolling of traffic is frightening.  I mean, I 
know that electronic switching is done at the speed of light, but Gordon 
Bennett, it's an almighty blur.  And you're saying it can handle 254 
connections?  Blimey.

On May 16, 12:44 pm, "cybuerke"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:179fd0a7-e170-4025-8457-9dbf854136f4@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 16, 10:54 am, "cybuerke"  wrote:
>
> > I've really got far too much hanging off this router. Four eth. ports 
> > four wireless connections including this phone. Summats gonna have to
> > go...
>
> Doesn't sound that much to me. We have 4 ethernet, 1 USB and 5
> wireless connections to our router here with no issues of that
> type.... Don't know what router you use, but I thought most of the
> newish ones (at least 5 years or so) can handle up to 254 connections.
>
> --
>
> Well, it's a Belkin (love 'em or hate 'em) F5D8630.  I do get the occasional
> blip on the network front.  Can more or less rule out the cabling to the> exchange as that was renewed a couple of years back.  The internals are
> good - filtered face plate and a very short run to the modem/router.  New
> Cat 5e cables.
>
> When I run Wireshark, the scrolling of traffic is frightening.  I mean, I
> know that electronic switching is done at the speed of light, but Gordon
> Bennett, it's an almighty blur.  And you're saying it can handle 254
> connections?  Blimey.

Well, I assumed that most modern routers could handle "loads" of
connections. Can't find confirmation right now, but I believe the
Speedtouch 780wl can handle 254 connections and it's hardly the
highest spec piece of kit around..

Looking at the Belkin manual on:
http://belkin.httpsvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/belkin_vitalstream_com/support/dl/p74911uk_f5d8630_man.pdf
it seems that your model can handle 100 computers/connections (see
pages 26-27 of the manual).

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Cybuerke:
>Happened again last night, and this time I was able to track it down to a 
>failed WPA passphrase handshake with the router.

Little while ago I asked Zyxel if they going to provide firmware update with 
WPA/2 for their WiFi phone.
The answer was: No, the WPA regular handshake cuts of the phone connection.

On the other hand the Senao has WPA, as do mobile / WiFi / VoIP phones.
So what is the full SP ?
Regards,
Martin

"Martin²"  wrote in message 
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> Cybuerke:
>>Happened again last night, and this time I was able to track it down to a 
>>failed WPA passphrase handshake with the router.
>
> Little while ago I asked Zyxel if they going to provide firmware update 
> with WPA/2 for their WiFi phone.
> The answer was: No, the WPA regular handshake cuts of the phone 
> connection.
>
> On the other hand the Senao has WPA, as do mobile / WiFi / VoIP phones.
> So what is the full SP ?
> Regards,
> Martin


Can't find an answer anywhere about this.  Maybe it's one of those things 
that 'just happens'.  I had a series of dropped connections yesterday - not 
all on account of the phone though.  All wireless was dropped at one point, 
although the wired connections were still up.  At another time everything 
went, and not even a power cycle of the modem restored it.  I don't think 
it's owt to do with the ISP or BT as nothing's been reported.  I know a lot 
of ISPs will lie through their teeth, but the Entanet crowd are up front 
with their problems, so I tend to trust them.

Anyway I pulled what I didn't need off the network,  so I'm left with a 
wired PC and the Pirelli, and everything's been sweet over night.  I'll just 
leave it as is today and see what occurs.

cybuerke expressed precisely :

>
> Anyway I pulled what I didn't need off the network,  so I'm left with a wired 
> PC and the Pirelli, and everything's been sweet over night.  I'll just leave 
> it as is today and see what occurs.


Mine arrived yesterday & is now fully charged.

It took all of 2 minutes to set the wifi up & connect it to my Asterisk 
server as an extension.

Very pleased with it.....except for one thing:

For anyone else reading this, there's no Bluetooth support.

In news:mn.a4b97d854997d9a1.88534@blueyonder.invalid,
Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
: cybuerke expressed precisely :
:
: >
: > Anyway I pulled what I didn't need off the network,  so I'm left
: > with a wired PC and the Pirelli, and everything's been sweet over
: > night.  I'll just leave it as is today and see what occurs.
:
:
: Mine arrived yesterday & is now fully charged.
:
: It took all of 2 minutes to set the wifi up & connect it to my
: Asterisk server as an extension.
:
: Very pleased with it.....except for one thing:
:
: For anyone else reading this, there's no Bluetooth support.

Or infrared, but for the price, very good. All I need now is DECT 
support..!

Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like my Nokia 
and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the dictionary.


Ivor

On 20 May, 20:50, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
> Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like my Nokia
> and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the dictionary.
>
> Ivor

I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
user-defined words?), just some spelling rules

In news:97b5eec5-7e35-4532-8527-984db2aebe61@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
andy  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
: On 20 May, 20:50, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: >
: > Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like
: > my Nokia and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the
: > dictionary.
: >
: > Ivor
:
: I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
: user-defined words?), just some spelling rules

Yes, my Nokia 6310i has a user dictionary that stores words you add that 
it didn't previously know. However there must be a base dictionary for 
common words or how would it know what spelling rules are..?

But with the Pirelli I can't seem to add words to the user defined list, 
if indeed it has one. It decides that my mate's name Colin is in fact 
"Bolivia" and won't let me select any alternatives or add the name Colin 
manually.

Ivor

Ivor:
>It decides that my mate's name Colin is in fact
>"Bolivia" and won't let me select any alternatives or add the name Colin
>manually.

Can you turn the 'predictive' feature off ? ( I hate them)

Or do you have to ask your friend to change his name :-)
Regards,
Martin

On 20 May, 23:43, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> Innews:97b5eec5-7e35-4532-8527-984db2aebe61@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
> andy  typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> :
> : I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
> : user-defined words?), just some spelling rules
>
> Yes, my Nokia 6310i has a user dictionary that stores words you add that
> it didn't previously know. However there must be a base dictionary for
> common words or how would it know what spelling rules are..?
>

I don't know how it works, maybe only in groups of 4 or 5 letters, but
in a bored moment, you might start a new game by doodling in a few
words like kohlabbalvsfalllllty or wadouioubabacbali or klinkabdoteidu

or even copy down the word in the image that Google now wants me to
enter to post on here ...

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> In news:97b5eec5-7e35-4532-8527-984db2aebe61@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
> andy  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
> reason:
> : On 20 May, 20:50, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> : >
> : > Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like
> : > my Nokia and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the
> : > dictionary.
> : >
> : > Ivor
> :
> : I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
> : user-defined words?), just some spelling rules
> 
> Yes, my Nokia 6310i has a user dictionary that stores words you add that 
> it didn't previously know. However there must be a base dictionary for 
> common words or how would it know what spelling rules are..?
> 
> But with the Pirelli I can't seem to add words to the user defined list, 
> if indeed it has one. It decides that my mate's name Colin is in fact 
> "Bolivia" and won't let me select any alternatives or add the name Colin 
> manually.
> 
> Ivor
> 

I've been having a spot of bother with mine.

I managed to set it up at home and it works fine (including registering 
with the asterisk server that it is intended for).

This is using an old 3-com dual-band AP.

I can't get it working with the inteded site, I get errors like WPA 
negotiation failed. (irrespective of which verion of WPA is used on the 
AP and handset).

I am using v3.99d of the handset firmware and at the site the APs are 
Linksys WAP54Gs(3.1) running DD-WRT. (i've tried the existing v23 and v24).

The only way that the handsets seem to be able to log into these Access 
Points is if it is configured as an open network.

Has anyone else had this issue?