On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:53:10 GMT, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid>
wrote:

>Ivor Jones has brought this to us :
>
>>
>> Give Ron the advice, he's the only one who can do anything about it.
>
>Don't be so bloody minded.
>
>People are imploring you to stop responding to "Ron"; I suspect they 
>feel you are the more reasonable......perhaps they are wrong.
You are wasting your time Ivor IS a stubborn pillock if Ivor says the
moon is black it is black there is no shifting him he would never
accept that it is actually some other color,   why do you think all
this is happening here now ? .
He Started al this months ago no years ago with his constant going on
about spammers, sipgate and all the rest of his hang ups plus the fact
that he recommended the worst voip provider on the planet to me long
before this forum was formed which cost me money unnecessarily and for
that he will never be forgiven .
I can keep this up no problerm until such time has he leaves the forum
FOR GOOD .

mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0839l3p7tpp0g3k4jtld49grgirvb0a522@4ax.com 

[snip]

 
: : I can keep this up no problerm until such time has he
: : leaves the forum FOR GOOD .

As I'm not in a forum that's that cleared up.

You will be six feet under before I leave this GROUP. Live with it.

Ivor

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:45:19 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0839l3p7tpp0g3k4jtld49grgirvb0a522@4ax.com 
>
>[snip]
>
> 
>: : I can keep this up no problerm until such time has he
>: : leaves the forum FOR GOOD .
>
>As I'm not in a forum that's that cleared up.
>
>You will be six feet under before I leave this GROUP. Live with it.
>
There are more ways of skinning a cat Ivor we shall see we shall see.

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:49:52 -0800 (PST), voiptalker@gmail.com wrote:


>Can`t either of you understand that you're BOTH annoying the **** out
>of everybody here? To the casual outsider you're worse than bickering
>kids because you profess to be adults.

When Ivor isn't here harping on and on about spammers and sipgate all
is quite and peaceful . I know all this is annoying but Ivor can end
it instantly by giving an undertaking NEVER to mention either again
here .
No one likes spammers not even I really and I just ignore them the
only  person here that starts screaming and shouting and going on and
on about spammers is Ivor he even INSISTED that one poster to this
group was a spammer when most held the view that the person wasn't
spamming at all .

wrote in message
news:8qkbl3lmo8o3bsfpvjsohstnu0ml7u2om6@4ax.com
: : On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:49:52 -0800 (PST),
: : voiptalker@gmail.com wrote:
: :
: :
: : : Can`t either of you understand that you're BOTH
: : : annoying the **** out of everybody here? To the
: : : casual outsider you're worse than bickering kids
: : : because you profess to be adults.
: :
: : When Ivor isn't here harping on and on about spammers
: : and sipgate all is quite and peaceful . I know all this
: : is annoying but Ivor can end it instantly by giving an
: : undertaking NEVER to mention either again here .

YOU can end it instantly by stopping attacking me at every opportunity.

I promise I will say nothing else in this apology for a thread, unless Ron 
insults me personally again of course.

Ivor

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:39:56 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:


>I promise I will say nothing else in this apology for a thread, unless Ron 
>insults me personally again of course.
Not good enough only a promise to say nothing else in ANY thread will
satisfy me .

wrote in message
news:o94cl3l5pegcghakpj6u029848b0fcffmo@4ax.com
: : On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:39:56 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: :
: : : I promise I will say nothing else in this apology for
: : : a thread, unless Ron insults me personally again of
: : : course.
: : Not good enough only a promise to say nothing else in
: : ANY thread will satisfy me .

Oh dear. Back to square 1 then.

Sorry folks, but it's now completely out of my hands. Ron will not allow 
me to say anything in any thread without attacking me, whether I mention 
you know who or not.

I'm not leaving Usenet forever to satisfy *anybody* so it looks as though 
we're all stuck with him. Oh well maybe he'll get run over.


Ivor

voiptalker@gmail.com wrote:
> Ron & Ivor - Ivor & Ron:
> 
> Can`t either of you understand that you're BOTH annoying the **** out
> of everybody here? To the casual outsider you're worse than bickering
> kids because you profess to be adults.

I'd second that.

You are both making this newsgroup unpleasant for the rest of us.

Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to the other?

regards, Ian

"Ian Smith"  wrote in
message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com

[snip]

: : Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to the
: : other?
: :
: : regards, Ian

I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no point. Every time I say 
something, he will respond, libelling me in the process a lot of the time, 
so I have to respond.

If someone posted on here saying unpleasant things about you and your 
family, would you just ignore it or let everyone believe it was true..? 
Ron keeps telling everyone (amongst other things) that I work for Sipgate, 
which I don't, but he's having none of it and every time the company name 
comes up he's off, just because he had a bad experience (about 3 years 
ago). Apparently it's my fault because I recommended them to him, which I 
did, but would you keep up a campaign against me for three years because 
the company concerned (not me) annoyed you in some way..?

I can assure you I don't like it any more than you do, but it's me he's 
attacking not you and I *will* defend my name, whether you like it or not. 
Only he can stop it; if he stops slagging me off every time I say 
anything, I will stop responding. But not until then.

Regards

Ivor

Ivor Jones explained :
> if he stops slagging me off every time I say anything, I will stop 
> responding. But not until then.

HE'S ONLY DOING IT TO GET YOU RILED. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN.

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Ian Smith"  wrote in
> message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com
> 
> [snip]
> 
> : : Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to the
> : : other?

> 
> I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no point. Every time I say 
> something, he will respond, libelling me in the process a lot of the 
> time, so I have to respond.
> 
> If someone posted on here saying unpleasant things about you and your 
> family, would you just ignore it or let everyone believe it was true..? 

Yes - ignore it! That's exactly what you should do.

You're simply feeding the fire by kicking back.

You said it yourself above "Every time I say something, he will 
respond..."

Break the cycle and ignore it. There is nothing more gutting than 
shouting an insult at someone and then thinking that no-one heard!

Think of the rest of us - it is now getting very irritating for us all.

regards, Ian

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.24d17d7c389acb84.48968@blueyonder.invalid
: : Ivor Jones explained :
: : : if he stops slagging me off every time I say
: : : anything, I will stop responding. But not until then.
: :
: : HE'S ONLY DOING IT TO GET YOU RILED. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT
: : TO HAPPEN.

No need to shout. It doesn't matter *why* he's doing it. He is attacking 
me; I will *not* allow anyone to do so without responding. Would *you* 
allow someone to do so in public wihtout responding..? Well maybe you 
would but I will not. I am deeply sorry it is annoying others; I am fed up 
with saying that he is the only one who can stop it, but it is a fact.

If you would address a message to *him* saying what you have said to me, I 
would believe you are sincere, but as you and every single person so far 
has only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron. Do 
you..?

Ivor

"Ian Smith"  wrote in
message news:13lbfh14ktm044@corp.supernews.com
: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : "Ian Smith" 
: : : wrote in
: : : message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com
: : :
: : : [snip]
: : :
: : : : : Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to
: : : : : the other?
: :
: : :
: : : I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no
: : : point. Every time I say something, he will respond,
: : : libelling me in the process a lot of the time, so I
: : : have to respond.
: : :
: : : If someone posted on here saying unpleasant things
: : : about you and your family, would you just ignore it
: : : or let everyone believe it was true..?
: :
: : Yes - ignore it! That's exactly what you should do.

I asked if *you* would ignore it..? Would you *really*..? If it went on 
day after day, month after month, year after year..?

Will not responding stop him from having a go at me every time I post a 
message..? No.

: : You're simply feeding the fire by kicking back.
: :
: : You said it yourself above "Every time I say something,
: : he will respond..."

Which he will, whether I respond or not. Don't forget it's *me* he's 
making personal insults at, not you. How would you feel if someone were 
continually slagging off you and your family..? Would you ignore it..? 
Somehow I doubt it.

: : Break the cycle and ignore it. There is nothing more
: : gutting than shouting an insult at someone and then
: : thinking that no-one heard!

If I thought for a minute it would stop him, I would. But it won't.

: : Think of the rest of us - it is now getting very
: : irritating for us all.

I know, but why are you and everyone else only complaining at me..? I have 
not seen a single message saying what you are saying to me addressed to 
Ron.

Why is that..? As I said to Jono, if you would post a message to Ron 
saying what you have said to me, then I might start to believe you, but so 
far it seems to me that everyone else is only complaining at me, not him.

Ivor

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:57:09 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:


> but as you and every single person so far 
>has only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron. Do 
>you..?
Because it is YOU that has caused it and you started the ball rolling
three years ago and I have no intention of ending it until YOU go from
here .
The ball is in your court and been there for many months now not mine.

mymail@hotmail.com explained on 04/12/2007 :
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:57:09 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> but as you and every single person so far 
>> has only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron. Do 
>> you..?

> Because it is YOU that has caused it 

IS IT BOLLOCKS.

> and you started the ball rolling
> three years ago and I have no intention of ending it until YOU go from
> here .

Only (mainly) when you are corresponding with Ivor, in the groups I 
frequent, are you soooooooo tiresome. I have seen many a sensible post 
from you & Ivor & wish you would both stay at opposite ends of the 
playground.

Any chance you could give it a rest?

> The ball is in your court and been there for many months now not mine.

You're both playing the same silly game.

It happens that Ivor Jones formulated :
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.24d17d7c389acb84.48968@blueyonder.invalid
> : : Ivor Jones explained :
> : : : if he stops slagging me off every time I say
> : : : anything, I will stop responding. But not until then.
> : :
> : : HE'S ONLY DOING IT TO GET YOU RILED. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT
> : : TO HAPPEN.
>
> No need to shout. 

Yes there was. It is also the first time I have. Felt I needed to to 
get heard over all the noise.

> It doesn't matter *why* he's doing it. 

Yes it does. The reason *why* he's doing it is to get the reaction 
you're giving.

> He is attacking me; 

But, sticks & stones and all that.....

> I will *not* allow anyone to do so without responding. Would *you* allow 
> someone to do so in public wihtout responding..? Well maybe you would but I 
> will not. 

I think I would have realised by now that you're in a version of a 
Chinese Finger Trap; that had you ignored the bait you wouldn't still 
be in this position.

> I am deeply sorry it is annoying others; 

Good to hear.

> I am fed up with saying 
> that he is the only one who can stop it, but it is a fact.

No it's not. The most grown up of the two of you is the one.

> If you would address a message to *him* saying what you have said to me, I 
> would believe you are sincere

I have rectified that.

> but as you and every single person so far has 
> only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron. 

Agree with him about what?

I simply felt, rightly or wrongly, as I pointed out, that you might be 
more reasonable.


> Do you..?

I think both of you should stay at opposite ends of the playground.

Ivor Jones wrote :
>>> Break the cycle and ignore it. There is nothing more
>>> gutting than shouting an insult at someone and then
>>> thinking that no-one heard!
>
> If I thought for a minute it would stop him, I would. But it won't.

Try it......for 12 months.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5rlt98F14qcscU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.24d17d7c389acb84.48968@blueyonder.invalid
> : : Ivor Jones explained :
> : : : if he stops slagging me off every time I say
> : : : anything, I will stop responding. But not until then.
> : :
> : : HE'S ONLY DOING IT TO GET YOU RILED. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT
> : : TO HAPPEN.
>
> No need to shout. It doesn't matter *why* he's doing it. He is attacking 
> me; I will *not* allow anyone to do so without responding. Would *you* 
> allow someone to do so in public wihtout responding..? Well maybe you 
> would but I will not. I am deeply sorry it is annoying others; I am fed up 
> with saying that he is the only one who can stop it, but it is a fact.
>

You have stated many times in other threads that you do not care what people 
think of you. If this is the case why bother
to respond?

I just can not see your logic.

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:28:51 GMT, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid>
wrote:


>Any chance you could give it a rest?

NOT until HE goes .

"RH"  wrote in message
news:fj4l71$s0c$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk

[snip]

: : You have stated many times in other threads that you do
: : not care what people think of you. If this is the case
: : why bother
: : to respond?
: :
: : I just can not see your logic.

I don't care what people think of me. I do care what they cause others to 
think of me.

There is a difference.

Ivor

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.254e7d7c829f30fa.48968@blueyonder.invalid
: : Ivor Jones wrote :
: : : : : Break the cycle and ignore it. There is nothing
: : : : : more gutting than shouting an insult at someone
: : : : : and then thinking that no-one heard!
: : :
: : : If I thought for a minute it would stop him, I would.
: : : But it won't.
: :
: : Try it......for 12 months.

Too long. I tried it for 2 weeks once. I cannot sit by and allow someone 
to personally attack me in this way.

Would you, if it were you and not me..? Day after day, week after week, 
month after month, year after year - personal insults aimed at YOU..?


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5rlm1fF15i4beU1@mid.individual.net...

> we're all stuck with him. Oh well maybe he'll get run over.

Dear Santa.....

Rob

Ivor Jones wrote:
> 
> 
> "Ian Smith"  wrote in
> message news:13lbfh14ktm044@corp.supernews.com
> : : Ivor Jones wrote:
> : : : "Ian Smith" 
> : : : wrote in
> : : : message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com
> : : :
> : : : [snip]
> : : :
> : : : : : Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to
> : : : : : the other?
> : :
> : : :
> : : : I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no
> : : : point. Every time I say something, he will respond,
> : : : libelling me in the process a lot of the time, so I
> : : : have to respond.
> : : :
> : : : If someone posted on here saying unpleasant things
> : : : about you and your family, would you just ignore it
> : : : or let everyone believe it was true..?
> : :
> : : Yes - ignore it! That's exactly what you should do.
> 
> I asked if *you* would ignore it..? Would you *really*..? If it went on 
> day after day, month after month, year after year..?

Yes - absolutely. Try taking the moral high-ground.


> I know, but why are you and everyone else only complaining at me..? I 
> have not seen a single message saying what you are saying to me 
> addressed to Ron.
> 
> Why is that..? As I said to Jono, if you would post a message to Ron 
> saying what you have said to me, then I might start to believe you, but 
> so far it seems to me that everyone else is only complaining at me, not 
> him.

I'm happy to make the same challenge to him. In this case, it takes 
two to tango.

Please - both of you - give it a rest, for everyone else on this 
newsgroup.

regards, Ian

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:02:23 +0000, Ian Smith
 wrote:


>Please - both of you - give it a rest, for everyone else on this 
>newsgroup.

It is entirely up to him not me it has been very quiet here tonight
seeing that HE hasn't been here causing problems,I repeat so long has
HE keeps away I will remain quiet just has I always do.

"Ian Smith"  wrote in
message news:13le7vdkitnbu3b@corp.supernews.com
: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : :
: : :
: : : "Ian Smith" 
: : : wrote in
: : : message news:13lbfh14ktm044@corp.supernews.com
: : : : : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : : : : "Ian Smith"
: : : : : :  wrote in
: : : : : : message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com
: : : : : :
: : : : : : [snip]
: : : : : :
: : : : : : : : Can't you both resolve to simply not
: : : : : : : : respond to the other?
: : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : : I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no
: : : : : : point. Every time I say something, he will
: : : : : : respond, libelling me in the process a lot of
: : : : : : the time, so I have to respond.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : If someone posted on here saying unpleasant
: : : : : : things about you and your family, would you
: : : : : : just ignore it or let everyone believe it was
: : : : : : true..?
: : : : :
: : : : : Yes - ignore it! That's exactly what you should
: : : : : do.
: : :
: : : I asked if *you* would ignore it..? Would you
: : : *really*..? If it went on day after day, month after
: : : month, year after year..?
: :
: : Yes - absolutely. Try taking the moral high-ground.

So if Ron or someone else attacked you personally making false statements 
about you and maybe your family, which might, if believed by others, cause 
you serious problems, you would ignore it..?

: : : I know, but why are you and everyone else only
: : : complaining at me..? I have not seen a single message
: : : saying what you are saying to me addressed to Ron.
: : :
: : : Why is that..? As I said to Jono, if you would post a
: : : message to Ron saying what you have said to me, then
: : : I might start to believe you, but so far it seems to
: : : me that everyone else is only complaining at me, not
: : : him.
: :
: : I'm happy to make the same challenge to him. In this
: : case, it takes two to tango.
: :
: : Please - both of you - give it a rest, for everyone
: : else on this newsgroup.

I've just seen his reply to you. Exactly as I thought.

I repeat - if I am attacked personally, I will defend myself. Apologies in 
advance to those who don't like it, but his aim is to get me off Usenet. 
He will not succeed.

Ivor

wrote in message
news:53bel3t1p2ibqgq4b8tojdagchsd1erkkb@4ax.com
: : On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:02:23 +0000, Ian Smith
: :  wrote:
: :
: :
: : : Please - both of you - give it a rest, for everyone
: : : else on this newsgroup.
: :
: : It is entirely up to him not me it has been very quiet
: : here tonight seeing that HE hasn't been here causing
: : problems,I repeat so long has HE keeps away I will
: : remain quiet just has I always do.

I nearly fell off my chair laughing there..!

Once and for all, you will not succeed in removing me from Usenet, Ron. I 
was here long before you knew what a computer was and I'll be here long 
after you're in your box.

Ivor

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:51:27 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:


> Apologies in 
>advance to those who don't like it, but his aim is to get me off Usenet. 
>He will not succeed.
In that case look out for real war folks I was learning how to deal
with people like Ivor before he was even thought of .

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:53:09 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:


>Once and for all, you will not succeed in removing me from Usenet, Ron. I 
>was here long before you knew what a computer was and I'll be here long 
>after you're in your box.
>
In that case I will flood this forum with so much rubbish you will be
pleased to leave you won't win Ivor believe me .

wrote in message
news:dffel31p66utg2c450ep7uc538pkednl2e@4ax.com 
: : On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:53:09 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : 
: : 
: : : Once and for all, you will not succeed in removing me
: : : from Usenet, Ron. I was here long before you knew
: : : what a computer was and I'll be here long after
: : : you're in your box. 
: : : 
: : In that case I will flood this forum with so much
: : rubbish you will be pleased to leave you won't win Ivor
: : believe me . 

More rubbish than usual..?

Yawn..............

Ivor

wrote in message
news:pbfel39qqe9f2viqbb3cbs8g4sd6vqget9@4ax.com
: : On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:51:27 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: :
: : : Apologies in
: : : advance to those who don't like it, but his aim is to
: : : get me off Usenet. He will not succeed.
: : In that case look out for real war folks I was learning
: : how to deal with people like Ivor before he was even
: : thought of .

I am bomb proof where you are concerned Ron. You may annoy me but you will 
never beat me.

Ivor