Hi all,

Just wanted to ask if anyone knew if tesco are having problems with the voip 
service this evening?

Cheers,

Sam W

Sam White wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to ask if anyone knew if tesco are having problems with
> the voip service this evening?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sam W


I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone may 
pop along eventually.

It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers 
along with Skype.


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"Sam White"  wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to ask if anyone knew if tesco are having problems with the
voip
> service this evening?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sam W
>
>
I see you're using Virginmedia as your ISP.
The connection speeds are up & down like
a fiddlers elbow tonight with this provider.
I guess that might be the root of your problem

when trying to use Tesco voip.

its fine here - speed

"Nick"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Sam White"  wrote in message
> news:6HSMi.3167$%q2.1915@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to ask if anyone knew if tesco are having problems with the
> voip
>> service this evening?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sam W
>>
>>
> I see you're using Virginmedia as your ISP.
> The connection speeds are up & down like
> a fiddlers elbow tonight with this provider.
> I guess that might be the root of your problem
>
> when trying to use Tesco voip.
>
>

old man wrote:
> "Nick"  wrote in message
> news:37UMi.48973$yN2.24782@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> 
>> "Sam White"  wrote in message
>> news:6HSMi.3167$%q2.1915@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to ask if anyone knew if tesco are having problems with
>>> the voip service this evening?
>>> 
>> I see you're using Virginmedia as your ISP.
>> The connection speeds are up & down like
>> a fiddlers elbow tonight with this provider.
>> I guess that might be the root of your problem
>> 
>> when trying to use Tesco voip.
> 
> its fine here - speed


Fine here too.

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> old man wrote:
>> "Nick"  wrote in message
>> news:37UMi.48973$yN2.24782@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> "Sam White"  wrote in message
>>> news:6HSMi.3167$%q2.1915@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to ask if anyone knew if tesco are having problems with
>>>> the voip service this evening?
>>>>
>>> I see you're using Virginmedia as your ISP.
>>> The connection speeds are up & down like
>>> a fiddlers elbow tonight with this provider.
>>> I guess that might be the root of your problem
>>>
>>> when trying to use Tesco voip.
>>
>> its fine here - speed
> 
> 
> Fine here too.


Well I live in the Croydon area and have Virgin media 2 megs I run 2 
desktops and 2 laptops plus a ata for my voip calls, no telephone line 
from Virgin and the wife was on the phone for a hour for free without 
any problems, could be problems if using online music and video at the 
same time!

Bob

> Well I live in the Croydon area and have Virgin media 2 megs I run 2
> desktops and 2 laptops plus a ata for my voip calls, no telephone line
> from Virgin and the wife was on the phone for a hour for free without
> any problems, could be problems if using online music and video at the
> same time!
>
> Bob


Virgin refused (the past ohhh, hundred or so times) to unbundle my phone
line from the broadband.. I get seperate bills (actually the broadband bills
dont come more than one or two times a year!!!!) but they say that having
the phone is a requirement of having the broadband due to internal policys
:/....

I am a ex-CW user but I would be interested if this is something new you got
there ;)..

and fyi I rarely suffer throughput problems

mr deo wrote:
>> Well I live in the Croydon area and have Virgin media 2 megs I run 2
>> desktops and 2 laptops plus a ata for my voip calls, no telephone
>> line from Virgin and the wife was on the phone for a hour for free
>> without any problems, could be problems if using online music and
>> video at the same time!
>>
>> Bob
>
>
> Virgin refused (the past ohhh, hundred or so times) to unbundle my
> phone line from the broadband.. I get seperate bills (actually the
> broadband bills dont come more than one or two times a year!!!!) but
> they say that having the phone is a requirement of having the
> broadband due to internal policys :/....
>
> I am a ex-CW user but I would be interested if this is something new
> you got there ;)..
>
> and fyi I rarely suffer throughput problems



I had broadband and TV without phoneline, this was xTelewest and through to 
Virgin.  I was VoIP only for a couple of years, before I had BT landline as 
cable phone was too expensive.  I only have had the phone line installed 
recently as Virgin offered free install, free extension, free line rental, 
free evening and weekend calls and free caller display along with reduced 
cost TV, I had previously had a deal for the last two years but they 
wouldn't extend that further, yet offered me a better package discounted.

Friends and relatives have broadband only, no other service have also done 
for a few years.  Though again these are all xTelewest customers.

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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:07:03 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

> I had previously had a deal for the last two years but they 
>wouldn't extend that further, yet offered me a better package discounted.

I had similar with NTL .. they wouldn't upgrade my BB less I went DD
(and I wouldn't). Then they upgraded me for free. ;-)
>
>Friends and relatives have broadband only, no other service have also done 
>for a few years.  Though again these are all xTelewest customers.

I have recently had VM drop the phone and the TV from my package and
they did so without an issue.

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:07:03 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>  wrote:
>
>> I had previously had a deal for the last two years but they
>>wouldn't extend that further, yet offered me a better package discounted.
>
> I had similar with NTL .. they wouldn't upgrade my BB less I went DD
> (and I wouldn't). Then they upgraded me for free. ;-)
>>
>>Friends and relatives have broadband only, no other service have also done
>>for a few years.  Though again these are all xTelewest customers.
>
> I have recently had VM drop the phone and the TV from my package and
> they did so without an issue.
>
> All the best ..
>
> T i m

Thanks for all the replies people - I ended up phoning the Tesco support 
line and they were very helpful. For future reference, my problem was that 
the IPA 1000 didn't have the server address in its config - 
gateway.tescointernetphone.com is the correct one.
Its all working great now.

Sam W

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

>Sam White wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to ask if anyone knew if tesco are having problems with
>> the voip service this evening?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sam W
>
>
>I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone may 
>pop along eventually.
>
>It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers 
>along with Skype.

Why do you say Skype is expensive?

ITF wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>  wrote:

>>I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone
>>may pop along eventually.
>>
>>It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers
>>along with Skype.
> 
> Why do you say Skype is expensive?

Because Skype is expensive.

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alexd wrote:
> ITF wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>  wrote:
> 
>>> I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone
>>> may pop along eventually.
>>>
>>> It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers
>>> along with Skype.
>> Why do you say Skype is expensive?
> 
> Because Skype is expensive.
> 
ROFL!

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd 
wrote:

>ITF wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>  wrote:
>
>>>I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone
>>>may pop along eventually.
>>>
>>>It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers
>>>along with Skype.
>> 
>> Why do you say Skype is expensive?
>
>Because Skype is expensive.

On the contrary it is similar to most other VOIP companies

"ITF"  wrote in
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: : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
: :  wrote:

[snip]

: : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of the
: : : dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
: : 
: : Why do you say Skype is expensive?

Erm.. because it is...?


Ivor

"ITF"  wrote in
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: : On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd
: :  wrote:
: :
: : : ITF wrote:
: : :
: : : : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT,
: : : : "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
: : : :  wrote:
: : :
: : : : : I've not seen anyone mention on here they use
: : : : : Tesco VoIP, though someone may pop along
: : : : : eventually.
: : : : :
: : : : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of the
: : : : : dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
: : : :
: : : : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
: : :
: : : Because Skype is expensive.
: :
: : On the contrary it is similar to most other VOIP
: : companies

On the contrary, it's nothing like any other VoIP company, with the 
possible exception of Vonage. Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they 
are locked and therefore to be avoided.

Ivor

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd 
wrote:

>ITF wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>  wrote:
>
>>>I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone
>>>may pop along eventually.
>>>
>>>It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers
>>>along with Skype.
>> 
>> Why do you say Skype is expensive?
>
>Because Skype is expensive.
Agreed.
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:


> Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they 
>are locked and therefore to be avoided.

Why may I ask Vonage supply them for free Sipgate gives you damn all
for free .

wrote in message
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: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: :
: : : Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they
: : : are locked and therefore to be avoided.
: :
: : Why may I ask Vonage supply them for free Sipgate gives
: : you damn all for free .

Ah, hello Ron, wondered where you'd got to. In answer to your question, 
Vonage don't supply anything for free, they charge you a whopping monthly 
rental for their so-called wonderful service.

Sipgate, on the other hand (since *you* mentioned them, I didn't) don't 
charge for numbers, you only pay for calls made.


Ivor

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:49:46 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:


>Ah, hello Ron, wondered where you'd got to. In answer to your question, 
>Vonage don't supply anything for free, they charge you a whopping monthly 
>rental for their so-called wonderful service.

You are so right Ivor a whopping great 27p a day and your are moaning
about 27p a day yet you can go throwing money away on a trip to poxy
Bushland .
I still say Vonage offers a great service for anyone who has the usage
for it and they still provide telephone contact with all departments
only problem being you always get a damned yank answering the call.
voip.co.uk have now stopped telephone support for residential
customers so they do not get anymore cash out of me  I will stick with
my long time provider voipfone . You wouldn't like them Ivor they
expect a customer to pay money for their services how quaint .

mymail@hotmail.co.uk declared for all the world to hear...
> >Ah, hello Ron, wondered where you'd got to. In answer to your question, 
> >Vonage don't supply anything for free, they charge you a whopping monthly 
> >rental for their so-called wonderful service.

> You are so right Ivor a whopping great 27p a day and your are moaning
> about 27p a day yet you can go throwing money away on a trip to poxy
> Bushland .

A few days ago on uk.t.m Ivor was complaining at having to complete a 
GPRS connection using a mobile phone in order to auto-update the date 
and time, an operation which would have cost less than 1p.
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:25:55 -0000, Jon 
wrote:


>A few days ago on uk.t.m Ivor was complaining at having to complete a 
>GPRS connection using a mobile phone in order to auto-update the date 
>and time, an operation which would have cost less than 1p.

Ivor does not like to pay for any telephone calls Jon and seems to
think that the worst voip provider on the planet is bloody marvelous
because it gives out phone numbers for free and masquerades has a UK
based company by having a UK web address .

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
>On the contrary, it's nothing like any other VoIP company, with the 
>possible exception of Vonage. Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they 
>are locked and therefore to be avoided.
>
>Ivor

Pricewise, per call there is little difference. Thats was what the
question was

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:33:24 GMT, Brian A
 wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd 
>wrote:
>
>>ITF wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>>I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone
>>>>may pop along eventually.
>>>>
>>>>It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers
>>>>along with Skype.
>>> 
>>> Why do you say Skype is expensive?
>>
>>Because Skype is expensive.
>Agreed.

No it isn't. Its the same as other VOIP companies.

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:30:21 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>"ITF"  wrote in
>message news:mme3j39lr90has92igcvpqt8aoi7gknj9f@4ax.com 
>: : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>: :  wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>: : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of the
>: : : dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
>: : 
>: : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
>
>Erm.. because it is...?

You ignorance, whilst expected is astounding
Skype Out is the same and in some cases cheaper than certain VOIP
setups

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: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:25:55 -0000, Jon
: :  wrote:
: :
: :
: : : A few days ago on uk.t.m Ivor was complaining at
: : : having to complete a GPRS connection using a mobile
: : : phone in order to auto-update the date and time, an
: : : operation which would have cost less than 1p.

Tell the full story, Jon. Orange charge for an operation that most if not 
all other operators don't. Why should I pay for something that is free 
elsewhere..? The amount is irrelevant. And please explain how the charge 
could be *less* than 1p without being zero.

: : Ivor does not like to pay for any telephone calls Jon
: : and seems to think that the worst voip provider on the
: : planet is bloody marvelous because it gives out phone
: : numbers for free and masquerades has a UK based company
: : by having a UK web address .

(a) Please cite *proof* that Sipgate (you do mean them when you say "they" 
Ron, don't you..!) are the worst provider on the planet.

(b) They do not masquerade as a UK based company, nothing on their site 
says this, the contact details page clearly states where they are based.

I really despair about you, Ron. Only you could turn a debate about Tesco 
into a rant against a company you aren't even a customer of.


Ivor

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: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : 
: : : 
: : : On the contrary, it's nothing like any other VoIP
: : : company, with the possible exception of Vonage.
: : : Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they are
: : : locked and therefore to be avoided. 
: : : 
: : : Ivor
: : 
: : Pricewise, per call there is little difference. Thats
: : was what the question was

Maybe, but that's not what you said.

Ivor

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: : On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:33:24 GMT, Brian A
: :  wrote:
: : 
: : : On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd
: : :  wrote:
: : : 
: : : : ITF wrote:
: : : : 
: : : : : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT,
: : : : : "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
: : : : :  wrote: 
: : : : 
: : : : : : I've not seen anyone mention on here they use
: : : : : : Tesco VoIP, though someone may pop along
: : : : : : eventually. 
: : : : : : 
: : : : : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of
: : : : : : the dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
: : : : : 
: : : : : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
: : : : 
: : : : Because Skype is expensive.
: : : Agreed.
: : 
: : No it isn't. Its the same as other VOIP companies.

Please cite proof.

Ivor

"ITF"  wrote in
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: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:30:21 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : 
: : : "ITF"  wrote in
: : : message
: : : news:mme3j39lr90has92igcvpqt8aoi7gknj9f@4ax.com 
: : : : : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT,
: : : : : "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
: : : : :  wrote: 
: : : 
: : : [snip]
: : : 
: : : : : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of the
: : : : : : dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
: : : : : 
: : : : : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
: : : 
: : : Erm.. because it is...?
: : 
: : You ignorance, whilst expected is astounding
: : Skype Out is the same and in some cases cheaper than
: : certain VOIP setups

Your spelling is somewhat suspect, along with your argument.

Ivor

ITF wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:33:24 GMT, Brian A
>  wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>ITF wrote:
 
>>>> Why do you say Skype is expensive?

>>>Because Skype is expensive.

>>Agreed.
 
> No it isn't. Its the same as other VOIP companies.

Let's look at the facts, shall we? 

UK DDI
Sipgate, 0 quid for the >2 years I've had it
Skype, 29 USD a year

Voicemail
Sipgate, 0 quid for the >2 years I've had it
Skype, 15 EUR a year

Calls to UK geographic
Sipgate, 1.19p/minute
Skype, 1.4p/minute

You can't seriously be suggesting that is 'the same', although your
sobriquet is 'ignore the facts', so who knows.

And a little addendum, Skype will wipe any SkypeOut credit you buy if you
don't use the service often enough, a 'feature' that Sipgate fortunately
haven't adopted. 

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:01:52 +0000, ITF
 wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:30:21 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
><ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"ITF"  wrote in
>>message news:mme3j39lr90has92igcvpqt8aoi7gknj9f@4ax.com 
>>: : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>: :  wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>: : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of the
>>: : : dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
>>: : 
>>: : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
>>
>>Erm.. because it is...?
>
>You ignorance, whilst expected is astounding
>Skype Out is the same and in some cases cheaper than certain VOIP
>setups
Than 'certain' voip set ups. This may well be correct but users of SIP
services have the option to move to any of the hundreds of competitors
without changing hardware or software. With Skype you have just Skype,
It is a walled garden. The success of Skype is because anyone, with
just basic computer skills, can install it and it works. It does what
it does fairly well. Had the Gizmo project been operational, before
Skype, and given the same publiclity, it most likely would have have
seen Skype off. 
Now the new Skype phone is out, at an affordable price, I am sure it
will be a sucess as the majority of Skype users think that Skype is
unique in the provision of over-the-net telephone calls.

Meanwhile, on SIP....
I can ask people at the other side of the world to install Gizmo on
their computer and they can then call direct to my home phone for
free. Alternatively, they can call into their local Sipbroker access
number and call me that way as an alternative to paying for an
international call.
I can call any landline  in Australia, untimed, for 4p/call. I can
call many international destinations, for 8p an hour and, of course, I
can call into the many hundreds of SIP providers, for free,  via
Sipbroker. No monthly fees involved in any of this.  I can call to my
voicemail, from many countries, for the price of a local call.
Similarly I can call other SIP phones, anywhere, from my mobile, or
otherwise, via a local call. I can decide at what time I want to
receive my calls and when they should be directed to voicemail or
another number. I can do callback using my own chosen providers. The
list is endless. However, I do recognise that some of these services
are not easily attainable, by the average 'Joe', so a simpler, but
more expensive, Skype wins out.



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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:19:46 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>"ITF"  wrote in
>message news:2eg5j3hrsjhsheus0ro8r2dvbpb73t94nm@4ax.com 
>: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
>: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>: : 
>: : : 
>: : : On the contrary, it's nothing like any other VoIP
>: : : company, with the possible exception of Vonage.
>: : : Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they are
>: : : locked and therefore to be avoided. 
>: : : 
>: : : Ivor
>: : 
>: : Pricewise, per call there is little difference. Thats
>: : was what the question was
>
>Maybe, but that's not what you said.
>
>Ivor

Wrong again
What I said was
"On the contrary it is similar to most other VOIP companies"

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:20:28 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
>: : 
>: : No it isn't. Its the same as other VOIP companies.
>
>Please cite proof.
>
>Ivor


Im not doing your work for you. I checked before I signed up to Skype
and the prices were all comparable. I chose Skype due to relatives
being all over the world and the damned easy setup, pkus the clarity
of calls and video
You check the prices and you will find Skype the same or similar to
all other VOIP companies

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:19:36 +0000, alexd 
wrote:

>
>You can't seriously be suggesting that is 'the same', although your
>sobriquet is 'ignore the facts', so who knows.
>

For most standard calls it is the same or similar

>And a little addendum, Skype will wipe any SkypeOut credit you buy if you
>don't use the service often enough, a 'feature' that Sipgate fortunately
>haven't adopted. 

Ahhhhh diddums

"Skype Credit remains active for 180 days after your last use of a
product or feature that uses credit. So making a single call, or
sending a single SMS will make sure your Skype Credit is active for a
further 180 days."


180 days of not making phone calls? whats the point of having it if
you dont use it.

I remember someone here saying that the reason most people here dont
like it is because it isnt 'techie' or 'nurdy' enough. You cant play
with it.
It works for most peoples uses, and works well

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:39 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>Your spelling is somewhat suspect, along with your argument.
>
>Ivor

Well, when your only answer is to criticise peoples spelling, youve
obviously lost.

ITF wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:19:36 +0000, alexd 
> wrote:
> 
>>
>>You can't seriously be suggesting that is 'the same', although your
>>sobriquet is 'ignore the facts', so who knows.
>>
> 
> For most standard calls it is the same or similar

What is a 'standard' call?

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mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:25:55 -0000, Jon 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> A few days ago on uk.t.m Ivor was complaining at having to complete a 
>> GPRS connection using a mobile phone in order to auto-update the date 
>> and time, an operation which would have cost less than 1p.
> 
> Ivor does not like to pay for any telephone calls Jon and seems to
> think that the worst voip provider on the planet is bloody marvelous
> because it gives out phone numbers for free and masquerades has a UK
> based company by having a UK web address .  
www.microsoft.co.uk
www.aol.co.uk
www.google.co.uk
www.boeing.co.uk

I could go on........

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:02:36 +0000, alexd 
wrote:

>ITF wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:19:36 +0000, alexd 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>>You can't seriously be suggesting that is 'the same', although your
>>>sobriquet is 'ignore the facts', so who knows.
>>>
>> 
>> For most standard calls it is the same or similar
>
>What is a 'standard' call?

Oh Im sorry. Your a Gradwell type person.
How's aRse BTW

ITF wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:02:36 +0000, alexd 
> wrote:
> 
>>ITF wrote:
>>

>>> For most standard calls it is the same or similar
>>
>>What is a 'standard' call?
> 
> Oh Im sorry. Your a Gradwell type person.
> How's aRse BTW

Would anybody be so kind as to translate this for me?

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"ITF"  wrote in
message news:iu48j3t9hujrd060g5p9hpv3efjdn0ck65@4ax.com 
: : On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:19:46 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : 
: : : 
: : : 
: : : "ITF"  wrote in
: : : message
: : : news:2eg5j3hrsjhsheus0ro8r2dvbpb73t94nm@4ax.com 
: : : : : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : : : : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : : : : 
: : : : : : 
: : : : : : On the contrary, it's nothing like any other
: : : : : : VoIP company, with the possible exception of
: : : : : : Vonage. Although even Vonage use ATA's, though
: : : : : : they are locked and therefore to be avoided.
: : : : : : 
: : : : : : Ivor
: : : : : 
: : : : : Pricewise, per call there is little difference.
: : : : : Thats was what the question was
: : : 
: : : Maybe, but that's not what you said.
: : : 
: : : Ivor
: : 
: : Wrong again
: : What I said was
: : "On the contrary it is similar to most other VOIP
: : companies" 

Which is plainly untrue.

QED.

Ivor

"ITF"  wrote in
message news:cc58j3t44j8beoqvnrgln8a2qlvdpk6s06@4ax.com 
: : On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:39 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : 
: : : 
: : : 
: : : Your spelling is somewhat suspect, along with your
: : : argument. 
: : : 
: : : Ivor
: : 
: : Well, when your only answer is to criticise peoples
: : spelling, youve obviously lost.

If that's what you want to believe. Doesn't alter the facts.

Ivor

On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:49:42 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>"ITF"  wrote in
>message news:cc58j3t44j8beoqvnrgln8a2qlvdpk6s06@4ax.com 
>: : On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:39 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
>: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>: : 
>: : : 
>: : : 
>: : : Your spelling is somewhat suspect, along with your
>: : : argument. 
>: : : 
>: : : Ivor
>: : 
>: : Well, when your only answer is to criticise peoples
>: : spelling, youve obviously lost.
>
>If that's what you want to believe. Doesn't alter the facts.
 You are always lost lost unless you are talking about your beloved
Sipgate .

wrote in message
news:6es9j356ttdte0s3bkd8msb0mbdea30rqg@4ax.com 
: : On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:49:42 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : 
: : : 
: : : 
: : : "ITF"  wrote in
: : : message
: : : news:cc58j3t44j8beoqvnrgln8a2qlvdpk6s06@4ax.com 
: : : : : On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:39 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : : : : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: : : : : 
: : : : : : 
: : : : : : 
: : : : : : Your spelling is somewhat suspect, along with
: : : : : : your argument.
: : : : : : 
: : : : : : Ivor
: : : : : 
: : : : : Well, when your only answer is to criticise
: : : : : peoples spelling, youve obviously lost.
: : : 
: : : If that's what you want to believe. Doesn't alter the
: : : facts. 
: : You are always lost lost unless you are talking about
: : your beloved Sipgate .

You'll have me yawning again in a minute, Ron.

Ivor

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:09:20 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
>news:6es9j356ttdte0s3bkd8msb0mbdea30rqg@4ax.com 
>: : On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:49:42 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
>: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>: : 
>: : : 
>: : : 
>: : : "ITF"  wrote in
>: : : message
>: : : news:cc58j3t44j8beoqvnrgln8a2qlvdpk6s06@4ax.com 
>: : : : : On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:39 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
>: : : : : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>: : : : : 
>: : : : : : 
>: : : : : : 
>: : : : : : Your spelling is somewhat suspect, along with
>: : : : : : your argument.
>: : : : : : 
>: : : : : : Ivor
>: : : : : 
>: : : : : Well, when your only answer is to criticise
>: : : : : peoples spelling, youve obviously lost.
>: : : 
>: : : If that's what you want to believe. Doesn't alter the
>: : : facts. 
>: : You are always lost lost unless you are talking about
>: : your beloved Sipgate .
>
>You'll have me yawning again in a minute, Ron.
>
>Ivor
You do and you will have me filling up this group with yawns once more
only this time you won't get me to stop so easily and to any one else
who reads this blame Ivor not me if this should happen .

wrote in message
news:rd2bj35pq8ljkncron5arpv2611qqhtdt2@4ax.com 
: : On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:09:20 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

: : : : : : If that's what you want to believe. Doesn't
: : : : : : alter the facts.
: : : : : You are always lost lost unless you are talking
: : : : : about your beloved Sipgate .
: : : 
: : : You'll have me yawning again in a minute, Ron.
: : : 
: : : Ivor
: : You do and you will have me filling up this group with
: : yawns once more only this time you won't get me to stop
: : so easily and to any one else who reads this blame Ivor
: : not me if this should happen . 

Oh do shut up Ron......


Ivor