Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain 
features, I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info 
I can find on the new one but it still seems that it doesn't 
support MMS, yes I know I can email pictures, but I can't 
email to someone elses mobile phone unless their phone is also 
set up to receive email.

My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it 
didn't have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone 
and launched another one without a service that we've had on 
mobile phones in this country since about 1999?

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:13:18 +0100, xCx  wrote:

>Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain 
>features, I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info 
>I can find on the new one but it still seems that it doesn't 
>support MMS, yes I know I can email pictures, but I can't 
>email to someone elses mobile phone unless their phone is also 
>set up to receive email.
>
>My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it 
>didn't have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone 
>and launched another one without a service that we've had on 
>mobile phones in this country since about 1999?

I'm unsure if there are any technical reasons why it can't do it
(after all, one can download an MMS utility from Installer App which
works) and the iPhone even supports .3gp video (I watched one on on
the BBC Mobile news site last week) and it obviously supports .gif &
.jpg and plays audio without issue so I'm assuming that Apple have
decided they don't want to support MMS.

Although I must admit that I've only sent four MMS' in the last five
years and received just three.
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BGN  wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:13:18 +0100, xCx  wrote:
> 
> >Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain 
> >features, I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info 
> >I can find on the new one but it still seems that it doesn't 
> >support MMS, yes I know I can email pictures, but I can't 
> >email to someone elses mobile phone unless their phone is also 
> >set up to receive email.
> >
> >My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it 
> >didn't have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone 
> >and launched another one without a service that we've had on 
> >mobile phones in this country since about 1999?
> 
> I'm unsure if there are any technical reasons why it can't do it
> (after all, one can download an MMS utility from Installer App which
> works) and the iPhone even supports .3gp video (I watched one on on
> the BBC Mobile news site last week) and it obviously supports .gif &
> .jpg and plays audio without issue so I'm assuming that Apple have
> decided they don't want to support MMS.
> 
> Although I must admit that I've only sent four MMS' in the last five
> years and received just three.

With so many phones having a half decent email application these days,
surely the days of MMS are numbered?

Since I've had my BlackBerry, I've not sent a single MMS and only sent a
handful of MMS messages.
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:00:38 +0100, steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
wrote:

>BGN  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:13:18 +0100, xCx  wrote:
>> 
>> >Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain 
>> >features, I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info 
>> >I can find on the new one but it still seems that it doesn't 
>> >support MMS, yes I know I can email pictures, but I can't 
>> >email to someone elses mobile phone unless their phone is also 
>> >set up to receive email.
>> >
>> >My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it 
>> >didn't have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone 
>> >and launched another one without a service that we've had on 
>> >mobile phones in this country since about 1999?
>> 
>> I'm unsure if there are any technical reasons why it can't do it
>> (after all, one can download an MMS utility from Installer App which
>> works) and the iPhone even supports .3gp video (I watched one on on
>> the BBC Mobile news site last week) and it obviously supports .gif &
>> .jpg and plays audio without issue so I'm assuming that Apple have
>> decided they don't want to support MMS.
>> 
>> Although I must admit that I've only sent four MMS' in the last five
>> years and received just three.
>
>With so many phones having a half decent email application these days,
>surely the days of MMS are numbered?
>
>Since I've had my BlackBerry, I've not sent a single MMS and only sent a
>handful of MMS messages.

MMS is an excellent way of marketing to their customers though.  When
I was on Vodafone for a year or so they came quite frequently.
Animated adverts with video and music for nothing but network
bandwidth = good value.
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"xCx"  wrote in message 
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> Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain features, 
> I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info I can find on the new 
> one but it still seems that it doesn't support MMS, yes I know I can email 
> pictures, but I can't email to someone elses mobile phone unless their 
> phone is also set up to receive email.
>
> My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it didn't have 
> 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone and launched another 
> one without a service that we've had on mobile phones in this country 
> since about 1999?

Well as the other poster has mentioned - you can already use MMS on the 
current iPhone if you jailbreak it and install the 3rd party app.  Since the 
new firmware (and phone) will include official 3rd party application 
support, I would be very suprised if an MMS app wasn't in there from the 
start.

I haven't seen any indication that the iPhone 3G will have built in MMS 
support, but then again I've not seen anything saying it won't either.  From 
the look of it though they are pretty adamant that MMS isn't something they 
want to support with the iPhone, and to be honest it's not something I am 
too concerned about considering how expensive they are (and remember barely 
any contracts in the UK have any included).

steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) writes:
> 
> With so many phones having a half decent email application these days,
> surely the days of MMS are numbered?
> 
As MMS is half the price to send when roaming, I think it has a lot of life 
left. 

Also MMS is immediate, its about now, sharing something with your mates now, 
not when they check e-mail. 

IMHO Push e-mail will remain a business application, so will not replace MMS.
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On 13 Jun 2008 08:31:25 +0100, Phil
wrote:

>steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) writes:
>> 
>> With so many phones having a half decent email application these days,
>> surely the days of MMS are numbered?
>> 
>As MMS is half the price to send when roaming, I think it has a lot of life 
>left. 

Yes, I never did understand that.  I just got back from France/Belgium
and T-Mobile sent me a message saying SMS would cost me 40p to send
and MMS 20p.  Surely there's more data used sending a photo and text
or music and video than a short text message?  Obviously down to
profit.
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xCx  wrote:

> Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain 
> features, I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info 
> I can find on the new one but it still seems that it doesn't 
> support MMS, yes I know I can email pictures, but I can't 
> email to someone elses mobile phone unless their phone is also 
> set up to receive email.
> 
> My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it 
> didn't have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone 
> and launched another one without a service that we've had on 
> mobile phones in this country since about 1999?

I suspect MMS is not a high priority for many users. I've had MMS phones
for years, and have never used the feature, and I think I've maybe
received only a couple in that time.

A bigger drawback for me would be it's lack of a realplayer app
integrated into safari. I don't know if this can be got round with the
new apps feature...

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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. 
Otherwise they should just shut up about it."  -Richard Dawkins

BGN  wrote:

[]
> MMS is an excellent way of marketing to their customers though.  When
> I was on Vodafone for a year or so they came quite frequently.
> Animated adverts with video and music for nothing but network
> bandwidth = good value.

I'd leave a company that spammed me with that kind of rubbish. I take it
you could opt out?

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"Phil"  wrote in message 
news:u63sdeqpe.fsf@GLKD2485705...
> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) writes:
>>
>> With so many phones having a half decent email application these days,
>> surely the days of MMS are numbered?
>>
> As MMS is half the price to send when roaming, I think it has a lot of 
> life
> left.
>
> Also MMS is immediate, its about now, sharing something with your mates 
> now,
> not when they check e-mail.
>
> IMHO Push e-mail will remain a business application, so will not replace 
> MMS.
> -- 

Apple have very big plans on that score though, you would be surprised just 
how many people would be attracted to the me.com  push email, calander, 
contacts and favourites syncronisation.
The setting up of an exchange server, or getting one hosted (the solution i 
have) is not the kind of thing the average less technical person could do. 
But setting up me.com is likely to be as easy as signing up an msn hotmail 
account.....

Gaz

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:36:19 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> MMS is an excellent way of marketing to their customers though.  When
>> I was on Vodafone for a year or so they came quite frequently.
>> Animated adverts with video and music for nothing but network
>> bandwidth = good value.
>
>I'd leave a company that spammed me with that kind of rubbish. I take it
>you could opt out?

Quite possibly.  I just let them keep wasting their bandwidth.
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"SimonC"  wrote in message 
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> "xCx"  wrote in message 
> news:6bd3peF3ajopmU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain features, 
>> I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info I can find on the 
>> new one but it still seems that it doesn't support MMS, yes I know I can 
>> email pictures, but I can't email to someone elses mobile phone unless 
>> their phone is also set up to receive email.
>>
>> My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it didn't 
>> have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone and launched 
>> another one without a service that we've had on mobile phones in this 
>> country since about 1999?
>
> Well as the other poster has mentioned - you can already use MMS on the 
> current iPhone if you jailbreak it and install the 3rd party app.

But you still can't receive MMS on an iPhone. Crazy.

Gareth.

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:50:36 +0100, "Gareth"
 wrote:

>
>
>"SimonC"  wrote in message 
>news:48521d79$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>> "xCx"  wrote in message 
>> news:6bd3peF3ajopmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain features, 
>>> I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info I can find on the 
>>> new one but it still seems that it doesn't support MMS, yes I know I can 
>>> email pictures, but I can't email to someone elses mobile phone unless 
>>> their phone is also set up to receive email.
>>>
>>> My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it didn't 
>>> have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone and launched 
>>> another one without a service that we've had on mobile phones in this 
>>> country since about 1999?
>>
>> Well as the other poster has mentioned - you can already use MMS on the 
>> current iPhone if you jailbreak it and install the 3rd party app.
>
>But you still can't receive MMS on an iPhone. Crazy.

Yes you can.  You just need a 3rd party app from the Installer App.
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"BGN"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:50:36 +0100, "Gareth"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"SimonC"  wrote in message
>>news:48521d79$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>> "xCx"  wrote in message
>>> news:6bd3peF3ajopmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain features,
>>>> I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info I can find on the
>>>> new one but it still seems that it doesn't support MMS, yes I know I 
>>>> can
>>>> email pictures, but I can't email to someone elses mobile phone unless
>>>> their phone is also set up to receive email.
>>>>
>>>> My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it didn't
>>>> have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone and launched
>>>> another one without a service that we've had on mobile phones in this
>>>> country since about 1999?
>>>
>>> Well as the other poster has mentioned - you can already use MMS on the
>>> current iPhone if you jailbreak it and install the 3rd party app.
>>
>>But you still can't receive MMS on an iPhone. Crazy.
>
> Yes you can.  You just need a 3rd party app from the Installer App.

The ability of people to rationalise and defend an incredibly poor piece of 
hardware just because of the "Apple" branding is amusing. If M$ had produced 
this rubbish there would be little in the way of positive news.

Gareth.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:29:36 +0100, "Gareth"
 wrote:

>>>>> Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain features,
>>>>> I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info I can find on the
>>>>> new one but it still seems that it doesn't support MMS, yes I know I 
>>>>> can
>>>>> email pictures, but I can't email to someone elses mobile phone unless
>>>>> their phone is also set up to receive email.
>>>>>
>>>>> My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it didn't
>>>>> have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone and launched
>>>>> another one without a service that we've had on mobile phones in this
>>>>> country since about 1999?
>>>>
>>>> Well as the other poster has mentioned - you can already use MMS on the
>>>> current iPhone if you jailbreak it and install the 3rd party app.
>>>
>>>But you still can't receive MMS on an iPhone. Crazy.
>>
>> Yes you can.  You just need a 3rd party app from the Installer App.
>
>The ability of people to rationalise and defend an incredibly poor piece of 
>hardware just because of the "Apple" branding is amusing. If M$ had produced 
>this rubbish there would be little in the way of positive news.

I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
sent about two in my entire life.
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BGN wrote:

> I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
> which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
> idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
> real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
> sent about two in my entire life.

The iPhone is a total _waste of money and overkill_ for anyone who wants 
a mobile, MMS, MP3 and video playback. Just buy something else, plenty 
of choice out there!!!

(I want one, but I have my reasons...)

-- 
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BGN  wrote:
> I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
> which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
> idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
> real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
> sent about two in my entire life.

I think the most useful purpose for MMS is e-ticketing - you buy a ticket
online for a bus/train/concert which sends a barcode by MMS.  Then you just
have to scan the barcode at the door (and make sure your phone doesn't have
a flat battery).

Could be rather amusing if all the trendy iPhone users are excluded from
their favourite trendy concerts :)

Theo

On 17 Jun 2008 23:32:19 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>> I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
>> which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
>> idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
>> real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
>> sent about two in my entire life.
>
>I think the most useful purpose for MMS is e-ticketing - you buy a ticket
>online for a bus/train/concert which sends a barcode by MMS.  Then you just
>have to scan the barcode at the door (and make sure your phone doesn't have
>a flat battery).
>
>Could be rather amusing if all the trendy iPhone users are excluded from
>their favourite trendy concerts :)

If such MMS e-barcoding exists (I clearly remember how shit screens
are on most other phones) then iPhone users aren't excluded from it as
MMS apps are indeed out there for the iPhone for £0.
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:24:59 +0100, Adrian C <email@here.invalid>
wrote:

>> I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
>> which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
>> idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
>> real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
>> sent about two in my entire life.
>
>The iPhone is a total _waste of money and overkill_ for anyone who wants 
>a mobile, MMS, MP3 and video playback. Just buy something else, plenty 
>of choice out there!!!

It certainly makes a good phone, excellent MP3 player and a fantastic
video player.  Have you not seen the screen quality on an iPod Touch &
iPhone?  What makes you think it's a waste of money and overkill?

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQLTjiAfdLY> And it really does work
that fast.

>(I want one, but I have my reasons...)

I got rid of my Nokia n95 and got an iPhone and still prefer the
iPhone, even though it lacks 3G.
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"BGN"  wrote in message 
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> On 17 Jun 2008 23:32:19 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>> I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
>>> which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
>>> idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
>>> real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
>>> sent about two in my entire life.
>>
>>I think the most useful purpose for MMS is e-ticketing - you buy a ticket
>>online for a bus/train/concert which sends a barcode by MMS.  Then you 
>>just
>>have to scan the barcode at the door (and make sure your phone doesn't 
>>have
>>a flat battery).
>>
>>Could be rather amusing if all the trendy iPhone users are excluded from
>>their favourite trendy concerts :)
>
> If such MMS e-barcoding exists (I clearly remember how shit screens
> are on most other phones) then iPhone users aren't excluded from it as
> MMS apps are indeed out there for the iPhone for £0.

MMS applications are *not* out there. There are unsatisfactory workarounds 
involving the receipt of pseudo MMS via email.

The iPhone does not have a good industry standard hardware or software spec 
by comparison with most other phones. I mean, come on, my Nokia 7600 on 
Virgin can even receive MMS (without workarounds, hacks and good will).

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:
> "BGN"  wrote in message
> news:obrf545ovf8ec3q4frqu33ndbmk6i97s72@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:50:36 +0100, "Gareth"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "SimonC"  wrote in message
>>> news:48521d79$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>> "xCx"  wrote in message
>>>> news:6bd3peF3ajopmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Ok, so as we all know the last iPhone was lacking in certain
>>>>> features, I've had a scooch at the O2 website to see what info I
>>>>> can find on the new one but it still seems that it doesn't
>>>>> support MMS, yes I know I can
>>>>> email pictures, but I can't email to someone elses mobile phone
>>>>> unless their phone is also set up to receive email.
>>>>>
>>>>> My reasons for not getting one last time were the fact that it
>>>>> didn't have 3G and it couldn't do MMS, have they honestly gone
>>>>> and launched another one without a service that we've had on
>>>>> mobile phones in this country since about 1999?
>>>>
>>>> Well as the other poster has mentioned - you can already use MMS
>>>> on the current iPhone if you jailbreak it and install the 3rd
>>>> party app.
>>>
>>> But you still can't receive MMS on an iPhone. Crazy.
>>
>> Yes you can.  You just need a 3rd party app from the Installer App.
>
> The ability of people to rationalise and defend an incredibly poor
> piece of hardware just because of the "Apple" branding is amusing. If
> M$ had produced this rubbish there would be little in the way of
> positive news.

If you really think the iphone is a poor piece of hardware, i wonder for 
your sanity. I am a heavy phone user, and gone through my fair share of 
smartphones, from MS, palm and the nokia symbian system and now finally on 
the iphone.

The OS for the iphone is miles ahead of all of the above. It has severe 
limits, largely the lack of exchange server support and a closed system for 
application development, both limitations to be removed in about twenty four 
days.

Gaz


> Gareth.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:59:26 +0100, "Gareth"
 wrote:

>>>> I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
>>>> which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
>>>> idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
>>>> real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
>>>> sent about two in my entire life.
>>>
>>>I think the most useful purpose for MMS is e-ticketing - you buy a ticket
>>>online for a bus/train/concert which sends a barcode by MMS.  Then you 
>>>just
>>>have to scan the barcode at the door (and make sure your phone doesn't 
>>>have
>>>a flat battery).
>>>
>>>Could be rather amusing if all the trendy iPhone users are excluded from
>>>their favourite trendy concerts :)
>>
>> If such MMS e-barcoding exists (I clearly remember how shit screens
>> are on most other phones) then iPhone users aren't excluded from it as
>> MMS apps are indeed out there for the iPhone for £0.
>
>MMS applications are *not* out there. There are unsatisfactory workarounds 
>involving the receipt of pseudo MMS via email.

The iPhone MMS app I was using didn't send it via email!  The phone
receives the MMS itself.

>The iPhone does not have a good industry standard hardware or software spec 
>by comparison with most other phones.

Can you provide a source for this comparison?
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"BGN"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:59:26 +0100, "Gareth"
>  wrote:
>
>>>>> I wasn't defending Apple at all, read the first reply in this thread
>>>>> which is by me not supporting Apple.  I think not having MMS is a bad
>>>>> idea, but I can count the number of times I've received one from a
>>>>> real human bean using the fingers of my right hand and I have only
>>>>> sent about two in my entire life.
>>>>
>>>>I think the most useful purpose for MMS is e-ticketing - you buy a 
>>>>ticket
>>>>online for a bus/train/concert which sends a barcode by MMS.  Then you
>>>>just
>>>>have to scan the barcode at the door (and make sure your phone doesn't
>>>>have
>>>>a flat battery).
>>>>
>>>>Could be rather amusing if all the trendy iPhone users are excluded from
>>>>their favourite trendy concerts :)
>>>
>>> If such MMS e-barcoding exists (I clearly remember how shit screens
>>> are on most other phones) then iPhone users aren't excluded from it as
>>> MMS apps are indeed out there for the iPhone for £0.
>>
>>MMS applications are *not* out there. There are unsatisfactory workarounds
>>involving the receipt of pseudo MMS via email.
>
> The iPhone MMS app I was using didn't send it via email!  The phone
> receives the MMS itself.
>
>>The iPhone does not have a good industry standard hardware or software 
>>spec
>>by comparison with most other phones.
>
> Can you provide a source for this comparison?

Yes, commonsense: no video recording, no voice dial, poor camera, no MMS, 
limited Bluetooth functionality, over the top software branding (cash cow on 
line services for Apple), software developer lock outs and the N95 (and soon 
N96).

Discussing an issue with an Apple fan is like trying to argue a point of 
religion with a Scientologist. It's a new experience and not one I would 
want to repeat too often.

Gareth.

BGN  wrote:
> The iPhone MMS app I was using didn't send it via email!  The phone
> receives the MMS itself.

FWIW MMS /should/ render SMS obsolete.  There's nothing you can put in an
SMS which you can't put in an MMS.  While picture messaging might be fairly
pointless, sending longer text messages isn't nor is attaching a map to an
invite or other targeted apps like that.

It's just that networks are still in the dark ages regarding charging: if
you can get 1GB of GPRS/3G data for 10 pounds, a 1K MMS should cost 0.001p. 
So they're only overcharging by 20,000 times.

There's also the problem that some phones can't handle MMS, but that could
be handled by the recipient's network (deliver as multiple SMS, for
example).  Some receiving networks maybe can't do MMS either (in the
developing world where they're using secondhand network kit, for example)
but the sending network gateway should be able to do such a translation.

Theo

"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message 
news:BRd*PhPfs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> BGN  wrote:
>> The iPhone MMS app I was using didn't send it via email!  The phone
>> receives the MMS itself.
>
> FWIW MMS /should/ render SMS obsolete.  There's nothing you can put in an
> SMS which you can't put in an MMS.  While picture messaging might be 
> fairly
> pointless, sending longer text messages isn't nor is attaching a map to an
> invite or other targeted apps like that.
>
> It's just that networks are still in the dark ages regarding charging: if
> you can get 1GB of GPRS/3G data for 10 pounds, a 1K MMS should cost 
> 0.001p.
> So they're only overcharging by 20,000 times.
> Theo
>
Yes it's networks greed that has stifled MMS, if they were the same cost,
SMS would have had become obsolete.

Steve Terry

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:02:12 +0100, "Gareth"
 wrote:

>>>The iPhone does not have a good industry standard hardware or software 
>>>spec
>>>by comparison with most other phones.
>>
>> Can you provide a source for this comparison?
>
>Yes, commonsense: no video recording, no voice dial, poor camera, no MMS, 
>limited Bluetooth functionality, over the top software branding (cash cow on 
>line services for Apple), software developer lock outs and the N95 (and soon 
>N96).

I have had a Nokia n95 for quite a while and an iPhone.  The Nokia n95
is a very good phone and is feature packed by any standards, but the
iPhone (which doesn't do half the stuff the n95 does) has a killer
interface which is the best I've ever seen on any device.

I bought an iPod Touch after having the n95 for a few months and
within an hour of getting the iPod Touch I thought "wow, this
interface is fantastic" and after the iPhone was being sold at £169
without a contract I bought one.  I've not really looked back.  I
don't know if you've ever used an iPhone but if you stack the specs of
an n95 and an iPhone next to each other the n95 wins hands down, but
in my opinion as an n95 & iPhone owner the iPhone has the best
interface.  And the only way to use a mobile phone is through the
interface, nomatter how many bells and whistles one has and it gets
used a *lot*.

>Discussing an issue with an Apple fan is like trying to argue a point of 
>religion with a Scientologist. It's a new experience and not one I would 
>want to repeat too often.

It's a real shame I'm not an Apple fan in any form, I don't know why
you think I am.  I just own one product made by Apple.
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BGN wrote:
> 
> It certainly makes a good phone, excellent MP3 player and a fantastic
> video player.  Have you not seen the screen quality on an iPod Touch &
> iPhone?  What makes you think it's a waste of money and overkill?

There is plenty of choice out there, some cheaper, some with good 
screens, some with better audio quality. The iPhone is of course above 
all (audio aside) that but for someone who just wants to make phone 
calls with ALL the features of a standard phone, play a bit of music and 
see some recorded video clips - The initial+18mth contract cost for an 
iPhone is waaaaayy over the top. Probably pay-as-you-go is going to be 
as expensive.

The iPhone comes into it's own when geeked out with all the mapping, 
streaming, browsing, chatting, gaming, emailing, working and other 
applications out there. That is overkill if not used.

I have an iPod touch, and I'd like a 3G iPhone someday (when my 
Blackberry dies) - but it's not what people should buy because of the 
hype surrounding it.

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Adrian C

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:36:47 +0100, Adrian C <email@here.invalid>
wrote:

>> It certainly makes a good phone, excellent MP3 player and a fantastic
>> video player.  Have you not seen the screen quality on an iPod Touch &
>> iPhone?  What makes you think it's a waste of money and overkill?
>
>There is plenty of choice out there, some cheaper, some with good 
>screens, some with better audio quality. The iPhone is of course above 
>all (audio aside) that but for someone who just wants to make phone 
>calls with ALL the features of a standard phone, play a bit of music and 
>see some recorded video clips - The initial+18mth contract cost for an 
>iPhone is waaaaayy over the top.

Rubbish, my iPhone cost me £169 - the iPhone was not allowed to be
sold with any subsidy and you didn't sign up for a contract in store
either.  Like any other piece of shopping you went in, said "Can I
have one of your lovely 8Gb iPhones please" they took on off the
shelf, you paid for it, you left.  No contracts were even signed and
they didn't even ask my name.

One then gets home, plugs it into ones PC or Mac, starts phone in
Recovery mode, opens ZiPhone and hits one button.  Four minutes later
the phone works on any network and all other features work as normal
without any need for fannying about.  The phone works perfectly as
intended in iTunes and one can even buy stuff from the iTunes WiFi
store with it.

Given that the iPod Classic sells for around £170 and the iPod Touch
8Gb sells for £199 (which is an iPhone without the phone) shelling out
£169 for an iPhone which does everything an iPod Touch does and more
seems like a FUCKING BARGAIN when you consider the price of an iPod
Touch alone.

>Probably pay-as-you-go is going to be as expensive.

Dunno, mine's on T-Mobile Flext & web'n'walk but it would work
perfectly whichever network SIM you stuck in it.

>The iPhone comes into it's own when geeked out with all the mapping, 
>streaming, browsing, chatting, gaming, emailing, working and other 
>applications out there. That is overkill if not used.

The iPhone doesn't need to be keeped out to use all of the mapping,
streaming, browsing, chatting and emailing - they come as standard.
And, your "That is overkill if not used" statement lacks research;
according to data revealed in the Apple Keynote address last week
(available to watch online, if you've got 1h40m to spare):

98% of iPhone users are browsing the web on their iPhone
94% of iPhone users are using email on their iPhone
90% of iPhone users are using text messaging on their iPhone
80% of iPhone users are using 10 or more features of their iPhone

Therefore it would appear that pretty much everyone who owns an iPhone
browses the web and 80% use pretty much everything their iPhones comes
with (or even more if you count all of the fab and quirky apps which
comes from jailbreaking)

It therefore goes to show that if one makes a device with an interface
that is so sleek and easy to use then people are going to use it.

I'm trying hard to think of 10 features on my n95 (or any other phone
for that matter) which I used with any degree of *regularity*.

>I have an iPod touch, and I'd like a 3G iPhone someday (when my 
>Blackberry dies) - but it's not what people should buy because of the 
>hype surrounding it.

I'm not one to go for hype, but I do go for something which is so easy
to use and powerful at the same time.  I pick up my iPhone pretty much
every ten minutes to pick up my email, send an email, check the
weather, look at BBC News Online, have a rummage around Facebook.

I think I've said it before, I bought the iPhone because I had an iPod
Touch and the interface on the iTouch was most excellent and it is the
same interface the iPhone uses so the iPod Touch pretty much sold me
the iPhone.
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:25:41 +0100, Adrian C <email@here.invalid>
wrote:

><whoosh>

I know, think how I feel - it's awful being right all the time, it's
like a disability.
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