My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to 
make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced 
Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the 
same phone.

If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will 
both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the 
sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?

Thanks

-- 
Mike Casswell

"Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message 
news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
> My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to
> make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced
> Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the
> same phone.
>
> If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will
> both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the
> sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?

Depends on the phone.  Many phones support it (including my Motorola), but 
some don't.

>
> Thanks
>
> -- 
> Mike Casswell
>

In news:a5qdnSotYqmWbrPVnZ2dnUVZ8srinZ2d@bt.com,
R. Mark Clayton  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: "Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message
: news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
: > My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with
: > which to make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up
: > 'Orange Enhanced Line 2' so that I can also make private calls,
: > billed to me, on the same phone.
: >
: > If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account,
: > will both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I
: > transfer the sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?
:
: Depends on the phone.  Many phones support it (including my
: Motorola), but some don't.

If it doesn't, it can probably be enabled, if it's a Nokia try here:

http://www.unlockme.co.uk/linetwo.html

although this page seems to be a little old,not sure if it will work with 
newer handsets.


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:698cahF314bdfU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:a5qdnSotYqmWbrPVnZ2dnUVZ8srinZ2d@bt.com,
> R. Mark Clayton  typed, for some strange,
> unexplained reason:
> : "Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message
> : news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
> : > My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with
> : > which to make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up
> : > 'Orange Enhanced Line 2' so that I can also make private calls,
> : > billed to me, on the same phone.
> : >
> : > If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account,
> : > will both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I
> : > transfer the sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?
> :
> : Depends on the phone.  Many phones support it (including my
> : Motorola), but some don't.
>
> If it doesn't, it can probably be enabled, if it's a Nokia try here:
> http://www.unlockme.co.uk/linetwo.html
> although this page seems to be a little old,not sure if it will work with
> newer handsets.
> Ivor
>
5 Years ago seemed half the people I knew on Orange had Line 2
(usually OVP Virgin L1, ED50 L2).
Orange now only offer L2 to business users.

What a Farce. The Futures bright, the Futures anyone but Orange.

Steve Terry

In news:g0nd60$ape$1@news.albasani.net,
Steve Terry  typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:

[snip]

: What a Farce. The Futures bright, the Futures anyone but Orange.
:
: Steve Terry

On the last (ever) contract I had, I had Talk 60 on the main number and 
Talk 30 on Line 2. Gave it up as I seemed to be making calls to use up the 
minutes.

The specs for the mobile systems allow for Line 2, why can't it be offered 
on *all* tariffs on all networks..? I for one would love to cut down on 
the number of phones I have to carry about..! I have one for personal use, 
one for work (personally supplied and paid for, the company won't give me 
one but I don't want them to know my personal number) and one with the 
original Orange Out Here pack on for the free SMS. If I had L2 I could 
lose at least one phone..!

Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6990vvF30cnemU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:g0nd60$ape$1@news.albasani.net,
> Steve Terry  typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
>
> [snip]
>
> : What a Farce. The Futures bright, the Futures anyone but Orange.
> : Steve Terry
>
> On the last (ever) contract I had, I had Talk 60 on the main number and
> Talk 30 on Line 2. Gave it up as I seemed to be making calls to use up the
> minutes.
> The specs for the mobile systems allow for Line 2, why can't it be offered
> on *all* tariffs on all networks..? I for one would love to cut down on
> the number of phones I have to carry about..! I have one for personal use,
> one for work (personally supplied and paid for, the company won't give me
> one but I don't want them to know my personal number) and one with the
> original Orange Out Here pack on for the free SMS. If I had L2 I could
> lose at least one phone..!
>
> Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?
> Ivor
>
The other PCN network 121 had Line 2 incoming only,
but as soon as T Mobile took them over they scraped it

AFAIK the only reason the networks don't like to offer L2,
is not all handsets are control sim protocol (CSP) enabled for it,
letting the sim control things like L2 and voicemail, etc.
They don't want to complicate things for themselves.
Nokias CSP can be switched.

The Networks could simply say L2 is only offered on approved handsets

Seems easy money for them if they could be bothered,
even O2 and Voda could add it, Voda have added CSP controlled Voicemail

Steve Terry

In article <VA.00000004.b5981d94@there>, nobody@there says...
> My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to 
> make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced 
> Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the 
> same phone.
> 
> If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will 
> both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the 
> sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?

Possibly not. It depends if the phone you are referring has the facility 
to support Line 2.
-- 
Regards
Jon

In article , 
ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
> Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?

Lack of demand.
-- 
Regards
Jon

In article <g0nk35$omh$1@news.albasani.net>, gFOURwwk@tesco.net says...
> AFAIK the only reason the networks don't like to offer L2,
> is not all handsets are control sim protocol (CSP) enabled for it,

CSP stands for Custom SIM Profile.
-- 
Regards
Jon

"Jon Parker"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.229a8f2faf2f9541989689@news.cnntp.org...
> In article <g0nk35$omh$1@news.albasani.net>, gFOURwwk@tesco.net says...
>> AFAIK the only reason the networks don't like to offer L2,
>> is not all handsets are control sim protocol (CSP) enabled for it,
>
> CSP stands for Custom SIM Profile.
> Regards
> Jon
>
OK, i was close, but "control" is a better description than "custom" of what 
it does

Steve Terry

"Jon Parker"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.229a8ef88efbb497989688@news.cnntp.org...
> In article ,
> ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
>> Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?
>
> Lack of demand.
> Regards
> Jon
>
Never advertised, of course lack of demand if you don't tell anyone!

What was truly amazing is how Hans Snook created Orange
with a customer base of over 12 million with hardly any advertising,
relying on mostly word of mouth.

Now FT Orange spend a fortune patronising it's customers
advertising with inane animal analogues on TV, and insulting movie stars
in the cinema, resulting in dropping from joint first to 4th place.

FT Orange are a prime example of how lousy management
can inherit a successful one and wreck it.

Steve Terry

Steve Terry wrote:
>
> Never advertised, of course lack of demand if you don't tell anyone!
> 

Thank goodness Orange never advertised Push-To-Talk properly. We have 
been saved by school kids using their phones like CB sets with the 
speaker volume set to eleven :-)

Instead of numerous websites and blogs about technical fanciable 
features of phones and their fashionable looks, what would be useful is 
a run down of the technical features of the service providers. Who does 
EDGE, 3G, wet string etc - and where does each service geographically  work?

If they can't advertise their wares properly, maybe someone else should 
drag the info out of them.

Bit like http://www.samknows.com does for broadband. Does anyone know of 
such a site for the UK?

-- 
Adrian C

"Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message 
news:69bi03F31rfnlU1@mid.individual.net...
> Steve Terry wrote:
>>
>> Never advertised, of course lack of demand if you don't tell anyone!
>
> Thank goodness Orange never advertised Push-To-Talk properly.
> We have been saved by school kids using their phones like CB sets
> with the speaker volume set to eleven :-)
>
You might hate the way PTT was used until Orange with the usual lack
of publicity managed to kill that too.

Instead of meaningless inflatable animals floating around, Orange should 
have
had a TV ad campaign of professionals and workers talking by PTT

It's been a big success in the USA

It seems Orange are so deeply tied into the absurd animals totem concept
that they spent millions on developing, no one there can change the 
companies direction

Steve Terry

Thanks for the replies. Summarising:

If the phone supports Line 2 and if the support is enabled then my plan 
should work. If it supports Line 2 but it is not enabled then it may be 
possible to enable it, given the correct software and information.

Have I got this right?

"Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message 
news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
> My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to
> make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced
> Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the
> same phone.
>
> If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will
> both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the
> sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?
>

At the risk of replying too late to be useful, be careful whether you're 
referring to "Standard Line 2" or "Enhanced Line 2".

Standard Line 2 uses the GSM "ALS" functionality as some other posters have 
mentioned - and, within reason, any GSM handset will support it.

Enhanced Line 2 uses a Java menu in the SIM which the handset must support. 
It allows roaming and outgoing SMS on Line 2 which the "standard" variant 
doesn't. There did exist a list once on the Orange website of which phone 
supported it - of course, this page is doing a very good job of hiding now. 
I'd guess Business CS might still have it to hand...

Regards

Jon.

-- 
Jon Pitts
Email: jon@pitts50.co.uk  Attachments: files@pitts50.co.uk