On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:31:10 +0000 (UTC), Spamtastic Spastic
 wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:52:51 +0100, George Weston ate alphabet spaghetti
>and shat out:
>
>> "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°9 +"  wrote in message
>> news:7gml4hF2ptlfaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:37:36 +0100, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°9 + on netbook"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> George Weston wrote:
>>>>>> "Mark" <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fpg9a55ak5hvkbpon96ehqf0d1lt1gl7vf@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:25:19 +0100, alexd 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just wait 'till they send an Openreach engineer.  They only pay
>>>>>>>>> for one 2 hour slot, so if the fault can't be fixed within that
>>>>>>>>> time you have to arrange another appointment!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only reason I can think of for this policy is that they hope
>>>>>>>> most customers will just give up after the first attempt. A
>>>>>>>> depressing and cynical attitude, but hey, that's business!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had two visits now and am waiting for the third.  It's a pain
>>>>>>> to have to keep taking time off work when it should have been
>>>>>>> sorted the first time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure this is due to the monopolistic nature of BT/Openreach. If
>>>>>>> they had any competition I'm sure their business model would
>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, at least your ISP has brought in Openreach. I'm still trying
>>>>>> to get mine (Plusnet) to do just that. All they've done so far is to
>>>>>> tweak my SNR so that the line is stable at a much lower speed,
>>>>>> despite the fact that I'd been working at twice the speed for months
>>>>>> on end with no problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> That's strange Gearge.   Plusnet have just had an Openreach engineer
>>>>> to me and he connected me to a newer higher quality E-line (from
>>>>> street to local exchange) and all seems to be fine again.
>>>>
>>>> What's an "E-line" and how can I get one?
>>>
>>> I'm told that it's the line between the green junction box on your
>>> street and the local exchange.   Apparently the one I was connected to
>>> was relatively old,  installed quite some time ago,  and a newer higher
>>> quality one had been installed.  To cure my problems the engineer
>>> changed my connection from the oldewr E-line to the newer one.  There's
>>> every chance that you won't have that choice though.  Presumably as
>>> more and more take up BB then they have to renew/replace or install
>>> extra E-lines. I believe that the line from the junction box to your
>>> property is called the D-Line.  As far as I know that hasn't been
>>> changed for a very long time.
>> 
>> To be pedantic, it's known as the E-side (meaning Exchange side) of a
>> cross-connection point, the other being the D-side (meaning Distribution
>> side).
>> Thus, the cable leaves the exchange on the D side until it gets to the E
>> side of the PCP or cabinet, where it terminates. From the D side of the
>> PCP, other local cables go off to the E sides of distribution points or
>> poles (known as DPs), where they terminate on the E side. Smaller cables
>> or individual drop-wires go off from the D side of the DP to other poles
>> or direct into customers' premises.
>> What probably happened in Flying Nun's case was that they went to the
>> PCP (green box) or DP and swapped his faulty pair of wires for a good
>> spare pair going back to the exchange.
>> Still awake after all that lot?
>> ;-)
>> 
>> George
>To be even more pedantic, the 'PCP' would be the Primary Connection Point 
>and it may well feed a SCP first, or link through another PCP or even be 
>'EO' (Exchange Only with no PCP) ;-)

Or to be even more pedantic again, the 'PCP' is actually the 'Primary
Crossconnection Point'

Jasper