On TV last night the subject of Phorm came up and it was said the Big 3 ISPs 
were into it, but their customers would be able to opt out.
If these 3 start doing the reporting of customers internet use to Phorm how 
will such as I go on using Tesco who use Virgin one of these 3?
I guess many of us using a non big 3 ISP might pass on into the Big 3.

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David

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David wrote:
> On TV last night the subject of Phorm came up and it was said the Big 3 
> ISPs were into it, but their customers would be able to opt out.
> If these 3 start doing the reporting of customers internet use to Phorm 
> how will such as I go on using Tesco who use Virgin one of these 3?
> I guess many of us using a non big 3 ISP might pass on into the Big 3.
> 

First off - spend an hour or two on this site. This will explain all.
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/welcome.htm

Then - just hope the whole thing collapses - it's very much in the 
balance. Looks illegal, and unlikley to ever work properly (too complex 
& full of security risks).

If - heaven forbid - it does kick off, then move to another ISP. The 
choice seems to be -
Cheap ISP - Phorm snooping and a flood of "Targeted" adverts, plus low 
grade service.
     OR
Higher price ISP (say >£25/month) for an ISP with no snooping and decent 
service. (Zen Internet, for example)

You get what you pay for, I'm afraid.

John

John Livingston wrote:
> David wrote:
>> On TV last night the subject of Phorm came up and it was said the
>> Big 3 ISPs were into it, but their customers would be able to opt
>> out. If these 3 start doing the reporting of customers internet use to
>> Phorm how will such as I go on using Tesco who use Virgin one of
>> these 3? I guess many of us using a non big 3 ISP might pass on into the 
>> Big
>> 3.
>
> First off - spend an hour or two on this site. This will explain all.
> http://www.inphormationdesk.org/welcome.htm
>
> Then - just hope the whole thing collapses - it's very much in the
> balance. Looks illegal, and unlikley to ever work properly (too
> complex & full of security risks).
>
> If - heaven forbid - it does kick off, then move to another ISP. The
> choice seems to be -
> Cheap ISP - Phorm snooping and a flood of "Targeted" adverts, plus low
> grade service.
>     OR
> Higher price ISP (say >£25/month) for an ISP with no snooping and
> decent service. (Zen Internet, for example)
>
> You get what you pay for, I'm afraid.
>
> John

BT are the biggest instigator of Phorm and have already ran trials of the 
system (and are planning more) - so your theory doesn't bear water I'm 
afraid.

"Tanner-'op" <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote in message 
news:xumdnbWhtZWMDaHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> John Livingston wrote:
>> David wrote:
>>> On TV last night the subject of Phorm came up and it was said the
>>> Big 3 ISPs were into it, but their customers would be able to opt
>>> out. If these 3 start doing the reporting of customers internet use to
>>> Phorm how will such as I go on using Tesco who use Virgin one of
>>> these 3? I guess many of us using a non big 3 ISP might pass on into the 
>>> Big
>>> 3.
>>
>> First off - spend an hour or two on this site. This will explain all.
>> http://www.inphormationdesk.org/welcome.htm
>>
>> Then - just hope the whole thing collapses - it's very much in the
>> balance. Looks illegal, and unlikley to ever work properly (too
>> complex & full of security risks).
>>
>> If - heaven forbid - it does kick off, then move to another ISP. The
>> choice seems to be -
>> Cheap ISP - Phorm snooping and a flood of "Targeted" adverts, plus low
>> grade service.
>>     OR
>> Higher price ISP (say >£25/month) for an ISP with no snooping and
>> decent service. (Zen Internet, for example)
>>
>> You get what you pay for, I'm afraid.
>>
>> John
>
> BT are the biggest instigator of Phorm and have already ran trials of the 
> system (and are planning more) - so your theory doesn't bear water I'm 
> afraid.
>
Yes John and Tanner but my ISP uses Virgin as a sun contractor my question 
is the smaller ISPs who pass through these big 3 are we at risk of Phorm due 
to going through the big 3?
So changing might not help, I do not feel I can trust anyone.

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David

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David wrote:
> 
> 
> "Tanner-'op" <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote in message 
> news:xumdnbWhtZWMDaHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> John Livingston wrote:
>>> David wrote:
>>>> On TV last night the subject of Phorm came up and it was said the
>>>> Big 3 ISPs were into it, but their customers would be able to opt
>>>> out. If these 3 start doing the reporting of customers internet use to
>>>> Phorm how will such as I go on using Tesco who use Virgin one of
>>>> these 3? I guess many of us using a non big 3 ISP might pass on into 
>>>> the Big
>>>> 3.
<SNIP
>>
> Yes John and Tanner but my ISP uses Virgin as a sun contractor my 
> question is the smaller ISPs who pass through these big 3 are we at risk 
> of Phorm due to going through the big 3?
> So changing might not help, I do not feel I can trust anyone.
> 

Virgin are being quite coy over their intentions. I guess they will go 
ahead if BT do (but as I said - let's wait and see). I would be very 
surprised if sub contract ISPs do not follow suit.

It's your choice - but if BT goes ahead, _I'm_ off, even if it means 
paying a premium for my privacy.

The cold economic fact is that the large ISPs have driven their prices 
down to far below cost, and they have to make a profit somehow. The true 
price of an ISP connection, to allow for a sensible margin and quality 
of service would be about £25-30.

John

"John Livingston"  wrote in message
>
> Virgin are being quite coy over their intentions. I guess they will go 
> ahead if BT do (but as I said - let's wait and see). I would be very 
> surprised if sub contract ISPs do not follow suit.
>
> It's your choice - but if BT goes ahead, _I'm_ off, even if it means 
> paying a premium for my privacy.
>
> The cold economic fact is that the large ISPs have driven their prices 
> down to far below cost, and they have to make a profit somehow. The true 
> price of an ISP connection, to allow for a sensible margin and quality of 
> service would be about £25-30.
>

So I might well end up getting the Phorm by default, that was my worry.
But if you move from BT how can you be sure that at some stage your new ISP 
is not in same boat as me with Tesco?
Also most of us use BT lines to get to the ISP, yet another way for BT to 
get info. from you and me.
By the way Tesco not cheap and almost in your price band.
£20 unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.96mb.
Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but not 
wanting to get another 12month contract.)
They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.

-- 
Regards,
David

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David wrote:
> 
> 
> "John Livingston"  wrote in message
>>
>> Virgin are being quite coy over their intentions. I guess they will go 
>> ahead if BT do (but as I said - let's wait and see). I would be very 
>> surprised if sub contract ISPs do not follow suit.
>>
>> It's your choice - but if BT goes ahead, _I'm_ off, even if it means 
>> paying a premium for my privacy.
>>
>> The cold economic fact is that the large ISPs have driven their prices 
>> down to far below cost, and they have to make a profit somehow. The 
>> true price of an ISP connection, to allow for a sensible margin and 
>> quality of service would be about £25-30.
>>
> 
> So I might well end up getting the Phorm by default, that was my worry.
> But if you move from BT how can you be sure that at some stage your new 
> ISP is not in same boat as me with Tesco?
> Also most of us use BT lines to get to the ISP, yet another way for BT 
> to get info. from you and me.
> By the way Tesco not cheap and almost in your price band.
> £20 unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.96mb.
> Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but 
> not wanting to get another 12month contract.)
> They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.
>


The BT lines you mention are from BT Wholesale, Phorm is being touted by 
BT Retail. They are two VERY different animals, and are kept so by the 
regulator. The whispers I hear in the industry are that BT Wholesale may 
be as angry as the rest of us over the whole BT Retail/Phorm issue.

In terms of being sure - nothing's sure in this life IMHO. Best to work 
with probabilities.

If Tesco are charging that much for 1Mb fixed rate service, I wouldn't 
think they'd have the nerve to implement Phorm, but as I say, nothing's 
sure.

If you want an unmonitored service, go for business rather than 
consumer. Business costs more because the service quality is higher. No 
business is going to tolerate covert monitoring of their business 
traffic (Industrial espionage, anyone ?).

John

"John Livingston"  wrote in message 
news:RKCdnWl0FKtUTaLVnZ2dnUVZ8sfinZ2d@bt.com...
> David wrote:
>>
>>
>> "John Livingston"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> Virgin are being quite coy over their intentions. I guess they will go 
>>> ahead if BT do (but as I said - let's wait and see). I would be very 
>>> surprised if sub contract ISPs do not follow suit.
>>>
>>> It's your choice - but if BT goes ahead, _I'm_ off, even if it means 
>>> paying a premium for my privacy.
>>>
>>> The cold economic fact is that the large ISPs have driven their prices 
>>> down to far below cost, and they have to make a profit somehow. The true 
>>> price of an ISP connection, to allow for a sensible margin and quality 
>>> of service would be about £25-30.
>>>
>>
>> So I might well end up getting the Phorm by default, that was my worry.
>> But if you move from BT how can you be sure that at some stage your new 
>> ISP is not in same boat as me with Tesco?
>> Also most of us use BT lines to get to the ISP, yet another way for BT to 
>> get info. from you and me.
>> By the way Tesco not cheap and almost in your price band.
>> £20 unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.96mb.
>> Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but 
>> not wanting to get another 12month contract.)
>> They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.
>>
>
>
> The BT lines you mention are from BT Wholesale, Phorm is being touted by 
> BT Retail. They are two VERY different animals, and are kept so by the 
> regulator. The whispers I hear in the industry are that BT Wholesale may 
> be as angry as the rest of us over the whole BT Retail/Phorm issue.
>
> In terms of being sure - nothing's sure in this life IMHO. Best to work 
> with probabilities.
>
> If Tesco are charging that much for 1Mb fixed rate service, I wouldn't 
> think they'd have the nerve to implement Phorm, but as I say, nothing's 
> sure.
>
> If you want an unmonitored service, go for business rather than consumer. 
> Business costs more because the service quality is higher. No business is 
> going to tolerate covert monitoring of their business traffic (Industrial 
> espionage, anyone ?).
>
> John

Best thing is to ask your target ISP directly, before you sign up.
I asked my ISP - Plusnet (who are now owned by BT Retail) because I would 
move away from them if they adopted Phorm/Webwise.
They replied to say that they had no plans to adopt Phorm and if they did, 
they would tell everyone.
That's good enough for me, so I'm staying put.

George

David wrote:

> Yes John and Tanner but my ISP uses Virgin as a sun contractor my question
> is the smaller ISPs who pass through these big 3 are we at risk of Phorm due
> to going through the big 3?
> So changing might not help, I do not feel I can trust anyone.

Idnet. Virtually unbeatable.

Graham

John Livingston wrote:
> David wrote:
>>
>>
>> "John Livingston"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> Virgin are being quite coy over their intentions. I guess they will 
>>> go ahead if BT do (but as I said - let's wait and see). I would be 
>>> very surprised if sub contract ISPs do not follow suit.
>>>
>>> It's your choice - but if BT goes ahead, _I'm_ off, even if it means 
>>> paying a premium for my privacy.
>>>
>>> The cold economic fact is that the large ISPs have driven their 
>>> prices down to far below cost, and they have to make a profit 
>>> somehow. The true price of an ISP connection, to allow for a sensible 
>>> margin and quality of service would be about £25-30.
>>>
>>
>> So I might well end up getting the Phorm by default, that was my worry.
>> But if you move from BT how can you be sure that at some stage your 
>> new ISP is not in same boat as me with Tesco?
>> Also most of us use BT lines to get to the ISP, yet another way for BT 
>> to get info. from you and me.
>> By the way Tesco not cheap and almost in your price band.
>> £20 unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.96mb.
>> Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for 
>> but not wanting to get another 12month contract.)
>> They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.
>>
> 
> 
> The BT lines you mention are from BT Wholesale, Phorm is being touted by 
> BT Retail. They are two VERY different animals, and are kept so by the 
> regulator. The whispers I hear in the industry are that BT Wholesale may 
> be as angry as the rest of us over the whole BT Retail/Phorm issue.
> 
> In terms of being sure - nothing's sure in this life IMHO. Best to work 
> with probabilities.
> 
> If Tesco are charging that much for 1Mb fixed rate service, I wouldn't 
> think they'd have the nerve to implement Phorm, but as I say, nothing's 
> sure.
> 
> If you want an unmonitored service, go for business rather than 
> consumer. Business costs more because the service quality is higher. No 
> business is going to tolerate covert monitoring of their business 
> traffic (Industrial espionage, anyone ?).
> 
> John
> 
Its the same old story. You want cheap (TV,web sites) you get adverts.

You pay for exclusivity, you get exclusivity.

Go with a small business only ISP, and pay enough to keep them in business.

It would take some pretty expensive and obvious kit to start monitoring 
THEIR backhaul for info and would be utterly outside BT wholesale's 
T&C's and probably against OFTEL regs..


If you are on cable, tough.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Go with a small business only ISP, and pay enough to keep them in business.

That's why I use Idnet. They're fairly small and mainly business oriented.
Consequently personal customers get all the benefits of a business-class ISP
including an SLA (service level agreement) a term simply unheard of by the
various huge and crap 'consumer' ISPs. The SLA ensures that faults will be
dealt with within (in the case of personal customers) a 48 hour time frame -
although if it's a BT fault, there's not too much they can do about that other
than chase them (which they DO !). You also get to talk to technically
competent BRITISH people on a freephone number if you need to (which is likely
to be rare).

Yes it costs a few quid more (but less than Zen) but as others have said, you
get what you pay for.

Also of course, no throttling or other bandwidth restrictions. Idnet
continually monitor their bandwidth usage and plan in extra capacity BEFORE
they run out of it and performance drops, the ONLY ISP I know of to make this
claim.

Yup, good as ever !
http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/results.php?t=1212165952&v=4389448

Graham

"Eeyore"  wrote in message 
news:484024D7.151D513C@hotmail.com...
>
>
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Go with a small business only ISP, and pay enough to keep them in 
>> business.
>
> That's why I use Idnet. They're fairly small and mainly business oriented.
> Consequently personal customers get all the benefits of a business-class 
> ISP
> including an SLA (service level agreement) a term simply unheard of by the
> various huge and crap 'consumer' ISPs. The SLA ensures that faults will be
> dealt with within (in the case of personal customers) a 48 hour time 
> frame -
> although if it's a BT fault, there's not too much they can do about that 
> other
> than chase them (which they DO !). You also get to talk to technically
> competent BRITISH people on a freephone number if you need to (which is 
> likely
> to be rare).
>
> Yes it costs a few quid more (but less than Zen) but as others have said, 
> you
> get what you pay for.
>
> Also of course, no throttling or other bandwidth restrictions. Idnet
> continually monitor their bandwidth usage and plan in extra capacity 
> BEFORE
> they run out of it and performance drops, the ONLY ISP I know of to make 
> this
> claim.
>
> Yup, good as ever !
> http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/results.php?t=1212165952&v=4389448
>

Nice easy tester that.
On my 1mb Tesco gives me 992kb not bad.

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David

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David wrote:

> "Eeyore"  wrote
> >
> > Yup, good as ever !
> > http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/results.php?t=1212165952&v=4389448
>
> Nice easy tester that.

I have found it to be the most reliable around.


> On my 1mb Tesco gives me 992kb not bad.

Fine if that's all you require.

How much does your Tesco account cost btw ? Any limits or restrictions etc ?

Graham

"Eeyore"  wrote in message
>
> How much does your Tesco account cost btw ? Any limits or restrictions etc 
> ?
>
£20 really unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.99mb, no restrictions but 12 month 
contract .
Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but not
wanting to get another 12month contract.)
They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.

-- 
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David

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"David"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Eeyore"  wrote in message
>>
>> How much does your Tesco account cost btw ? Any limits or restrictions 
>> etc ?
>>
> £20 really unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.99mb, no restrictions but 12 month 
> contract .
> Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but 
> not
> wanting to get another 12month contract.)
> They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.

Very poor value - and operated for Tesco by Virgin Media.
I'm currently dealing with Tesco Internet on a data protection case.
I made enquiries to them a few years ago about internet service but didn't 
take it up because they didn't offer anything above 2 Meg. (I went with 
Plusnet instead).
This week, I received two identical letters from Tesco telling me that "the 
credit card you use to pay for your Tesco internet service is about to 
expire"
Their customer support service couldn't (wouldn't) understand my reply that 
I have never had service with them and asking why are they holding on to my 
credit card details.
I am currently corresponding with Tesco's Finance Director and Data 
Protection Controller by letter.
Enough said?
:-(

George

David wrote:

> "Eeyore"  wrote in message
> >
> > How much does your Tesco account cost btw ? Any limits or restrictions etc
> > ?
>
> £20 really unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.99mb, no restrictions but 12 month
> contract .
> Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but not
> wanting to get another 12month contract.)
> They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.

Do you know how much you actually download ? I.e. do you really need unlimited
usage ?

Graham

David wrote:

> "Eeyore"  wrote in message
> >
> > How much does your Tesco account cost btw ? Any limits or restrictions etc
> > ?
> >
> £20 really unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.99mb, no restrictions but 12 month
> contract .
> Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but not
> wanting to get another 12month contract.)
> They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.

Well .... £25 with Idnet gets you one of the best UK ISPs, 8Mbps down, 30GB
allowance (would that be enough)  and unlimited uploads FWIW.

Graham

"Eeyore"  wrote in message 
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>
>

>
>> "Eeyore" 
>
> Do you know how much you actually download ? I.e. do you really need 
> unlimited
> usage ?
>
>
20GB per month

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Regards,
David

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"Eeyore"  wrote in message
>
> Well .... £25 with Idnet gets you one of the best UK ISPs, 8Mbps down, 
> 30GB
> allowance (would that be enough)  and unlimited uploads FWIW.
>

How do they, or you handle News Groups?
Tesco.net doing NGs for me into Windows Live Mail

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Regards,
David

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David wrote:

> "Eeyore" wrote
> >
> > Well .... £25 with Idnet gets you one of the best UK ISPs, 8Mbps down,
> > 30GB allowance (would that be enough)  and unlimited uploads FWIW.
>
> How do they, or you handle News Groups?

I subscribe to astranews. You get 25GB of downloads for a non-expiring
one-time payment of $10. That's costs me maybe 20p a month with my usage. If
you need more, they offer more competitive pricing on higher quantities.

Choosing an ISP because they have a news server is one of the dumbest
choices around nowadays.


> Tesco.net doing NGs for me into Windows Live Mail

Why would you use Windows Live Mail ? Get a decent news client. I find good
'ol Netscape 4.8 just the ticket for text groups. It's good and simple to
use in all the right ways. There's many people still using it. You may want
something fancier for lots of split (multi-part) files if doing porn AVIs or
the like.

If Idnet tickles your fancy, email me on the addy in my headers to get my
details, say I recommended you when you sign up and we both get a 'bonus' of
£10.

Oh and here's how thinkbroadband.com rate Idnet against Virgin (your
Tesconet operator) plus a few well-known others.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html?isp_7=1&isp_16=1&isp_13=1&isp_21=1&isp_84=1&isp_6=1&commit=Compare

Graham

"Eeyore"  wrote in message 
news:48410AE3.825F3230@hotmail.com...
>
>
> David wrote:
>
>> "Eeyore" wrote
>> >
>> > Well .... £25 with Idnet gets you one of the best UK ISPs, 8Mbps down,
>> > 30GB allowance (would that be enough)  and unlimited uploads FWIW.
>>
>> How do they, or you handle News Groups?
>
> I subscribe to astranews. You get 25GB of downloads for a non-expiring
> one-time payment of $10. That's costs me maybe 20p a month with my usage. 
> If
> you need more, they offer more competitive pricing on higher quantities.
>
> Choosing an ISP because they have a news server is one of the dumbest
> choices around nowadays.
>
>
>> Tesco.net doing NGs for me into Windows Live Mail
>
> Why would you use Windows Live Mail ? Get a decent news client. I find 
> good
> 'ol Netscape 4.8 just the ticket for text groups. It's good and simple to
> use in all the right ways. There's many people still using it. You may 
> want
> something fancier for lots of split (multi-part) files if doing porn AVIs 
> or
> the like.
>
> If Idnet tickles your fancy, email me on the addy in my headers to get my
> details, say I recommended you when you sign up and we both get a 'bonus' 
> of
> £10.
>
> Oh and here's how thinkbroadband.com rate Idnet against Virgin (your
> Tesconet operator) plus a few well-known others.
>
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html?isp_7=1&isp_16=1&isp_13=1&isp_21=1&isp_84=1&isp_6=1&commit=Compare
>
> Graham

Or go to News.Individual.Net http://www.individual.net/
Super-fast service with very little or no spam (via Outlook Express too if 
you want it) for 10 Euros a Year.

George
>

"Eeyore"  wrote in message
>
> Oh and here's how thinkbroadband.com rate Idnet against Virgin (your
> Tesconet operator) plus a few well-known others.
>
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html?isp_7=1&isp_16=1&isp_13=1&isp_21=1&isp_84=1&isp_6=1&commit=Compare
>

Thanks for your advise.
Well one as to consider the NG question if one uses them, if not on an ISP 
then one as to make arrangements, possibly cost to add.
Think Broadband like all these comparison sites, EG Insurance, have to be 
used with care.  Think Broadband for some reason do not include Tesco in 
reports, I e-mailed to find out why and no response.  It is said the 
comparison sites only list companies they make money from.
Unfair of you to judge Tesco by Virgin reports, I have excellent service 
from them in the form of reliability and speed almost the figure I pay for. 
Customer service as been very good for me, think Tesco have yet another sub 
contractor for that.
It is they just do not do the 6/8 MB speed that the others offer and to go 
to their highest 2mb ties me into another 12 months, my last upgrade 12 
months runs out in August.
In a way a shame I satisfied with them. You know the old saying if not broke 
do not mend it.

-- 
Regards,
David

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David wrote:

> "Eeyore"  wrote
> >
> > Oh and here's how thinkbroadband.com rate Idnet against Virgin (your
> > Tesconet operator) plus a few well-known others.
> >
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html?isp_7=1&isp_16=1&isp_13=1&isp_21=1&isp_84=1&isp_6=1&commit=Compare
>
>
> Thanks for your advise.
> Well one as to consider the NG question if one uses them, if not on an ISP
> then one as to make arrangements, possibly cost to add.

As I said, astranews costs me 20 pence per month.
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html

Many ISP operated news servers have relatively poor retention and performance these days too. When I was with Plusnet,
it just got worse and worse.


> Think Broadband like all these comparison sites, EG Insurance, have to be
> used with care.  Think Broadband for some reason do not include Tesco in
> reports,

Because Tesco aren't a real ISP.


> I e-mailed to find out why and no response.  It is said the
> comparison sites only list companies they make money from.

That's true of some. They're readily obvious since they all steer you to the major consumer ISPs. It is NOT true of
thinkbroadband.


> Unfair of you to judge Tesco by Virgin reports, I have excellent service
> from them in the form of reliability and speed almost the figure I pay for.

It's hardly difficult to provide a 1Mbps service ! Yes Virgin can actually manage that.


> Customer service as been very good for me, think Tesco have yet another sub
> contractor for that.
> It is they just do not do the 6/8 MB speed that the others offer and to go
> to their highest 2mb ties me into another 12 months, my last upgrade 12
> months runs out in August.
> In a way a shame I satisfied with them. You know the old saying if not broke
> do not mend it.

It costs nothing to try. I suspect you'll be 'blown away' with Idnet. It was a 'revalation' to me just how good the
internet can be when I moved to them. Just read their site and look at their corporate customer list. It speaks for
itself.
http://www.idnet.net/about/clients.jsp

And it costs no more than TESCO !

Heck, if you really don't like it you can always go back to Tesco but why would you trust a retail supermarket to
supply a quality technology based service ?

And no matter how good Tesco Support may have been to you, Idnet not only explain in detail how they will deal with
problems but they regularly fix any (i.e usually get BT to fix) within HOURS not the MONTHS some consumer ISPs take.
That Service Level Agreement (unique to any ISP offering personal internet accounts AFAIK) really means something.

They are a CLASS ACT.
http://www.idnet.net/about/testimonials.jsp

Graham

David wrote:
> "Eeyore"  wrote in message
>>
>> Oh and here's how thinkbroadband.com rate Idnet against Virgin (your
>> Tesconet operator) plus a few well-known others.
>>
>> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html?isp_7=1&isp_16=1&isp_13=1&isp_21=1&isp_84=1&isp_6=1&commit=Compare
>>
>
> Thanks for your advise.
> Well one as to consider the NG question if one uses them, if not on
> an ISP then one as to make arrangements, possibly cost to add.
> Think Broadband like all these comparison sites, EG Insurance, have
> to be used with care.  Think Broadband for some reason do not include
> Tesco in reports, I e-mailed to find out why and no response.  It is
> said the comparison sites only list companies they make money from.
> Unfair of you to judge Tesco by Virgin reports, I have excellent
> service from them in the form of reliability and speed almost the
> figure I pay for. Customer service as been very good for me, think
> Tesco have yet another sub contractor for that.
> It is they just do not do the 6/8 MB speed that the others offer and
> to go to their highest 2mb ties me into another 12 months, my last
> upgrade 12 months runs out in August.
> In a way a shame I satisfied with them. You know the old saying if
> not broke do not mend it

the only comparison sites I use are thinkbroadband and dslzoneuk, both seem 
pretty honest and inclusive, add kitz capping/throttling data and you get a 
good idea what to expect

On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:19:01 +0100, "George Weston"
 wrote:

>Best thing is to ask your target ISP directly, before you sign up.
>I asked my ISP - Plusnet (who are now owned by BT Retail) because I would 
>move away from them if they adopted Phorm/Webwise.
>They replied to say that they had no plans to adopt Phorm and if they did, 
>they would tell everyone.
>That's good enough for me, so I'm staying put.

If you think Phorm is bad read this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7409593.stm

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"Mark"  wrote in message 
news:1mja441hm7h07ldfqmln9522je7ok2qb46@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:19:01 +0100, "George Weston"
>  wrote:
>
>>Best thing is to ask your target ISP directly, before you sign up.
>>I asked my ISP - Plusnet (who are now owned by BT Retail) because I would
>>move away from them if they adopted Phorm/Webwise.
>>They replied to say that they had no plans to adopt Phorm and if they did,
>>they would tell everyone.
>>That's good enough for me, so I'm staying put.
>
> If you think Phorm is bad read this
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7409593.stm

That information is already held.

... next ?

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:23:37 +0100, "Gizmo."
 wrote:

>
>"Mark"  wrote in message 
>news:1mja441hm7h07ldfqmln9522je7ok2qb46@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:19:01 +0100, "George Weston"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Best thing is to ask your target ISP directly, before you sign up.
>>>I asked my ISP - Plusnet (who are now owned by BT Retail) because I would
>>>move away from them if they adopted Phorm/Webwise.
>>>They replied to say that they had no plans to adopt Phorm and if they did,
>>>they would tell everyone.
>>>That's good enough for me, so I'm staying put.
>>
>> If you think Phorm is bad read this
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7409593.stm
>
>That information is already held.

IIRC only with a court order and not available to the toilet cleaner
in Whitehall.

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(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles
posted from there.  If you wish your postings to be seen by
everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
See http://improve-usenet.org

Eeyore wrote:
> Many ISP operated news servers have relatively poor retention and performance these days too. When I was with Plusnet,
> it just got worse and worse.

We outsource to Giganews nowadays. We only offer a text feed but the 
reliability and retention is akin to Giganews' commercial offerings.

If it's binaries you're after then we offer 10GB/mnth on Giganews with 
our Madasafish accounts:

http://www.madasafish.com/broadband/

Our Metronet products have a 2 x 128kbps binary feed which is outsourced 
to Giganews as well.

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"Mark"  wrote in message 
news:ni2d44dmvf42atiu7658kur3iqht3rnle5@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:23:37 +0100, "Gizmo."
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mark"  wrote in message
>>news:1mja441hm7h07ldfqmln9522je7ok2qb46@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:19:01 +0100, "George Weston"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Best thing is to ask your target ISP directly, before you sign up.
>>>>I asked my ISP - Plusnet (who are now owned by BT Retail) because I 
>>>>would
>>>>move away from them if they adopted Phorm/Webwise.
>>>>They replied to say that they had no plans to adopt Phorm and if they 
>>>>did,
>>>>they would tell everyone.
>>>>That's good enough for me, so I'm staying put.
>>>
>>> If you think Phorm is bad read this
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7409593.stm
>>
>>That information is already held.
>
> IIRC only with a court order

Wrong

> and not available to the toilet cleaner in Whitehall.

Clueless