Hi All

I have been with my current ISP for a number of years and have had a nice 
stable rate of about 6500k down, 448k up.
I now notice that my down rate is 5500k but the up rate is over 700k. Is 
this an indication that I've been LLU'd?

If so, what're the downsides of this (apart from a lower download rate that 
I'm experiencing) ?

Ta.

On 26/05/2008 14:07, Grumps wrote:

> the up rate is over 700k. Is
> this an indication that I've been LLU'd?

Either that, or you're on an ADSL Max Premium product.

"Grumps"  wrote in message 
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> Hi All
>
> I have been with my current ISP for a number of years and have had a nice 
> stable rate of about 6500k down, 448k up.
> I now notice that my down rate is 5500k but the up rate is over 700k. Is 
> this an indication that I've been LLU'd?
>
> If so, what're the downsides of this (apart from a lower download rate 
> that I'm experiencing) ?
>
> Ta.

This will tell you if your exchange is LLU enabled.
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/checker2.php

On Mon, 26 May 2008 13:29:17 UTC, "Section 31T" 
 wrote:

> 
> "Grumps"  wrote in message 
> news:69vr6oF34f2ihU1@mid.individual.net...
> > Hi All
> >
> > I have been with my current ISP for a number of years and have had a nice 
> > stable rate of about 6500k down, 448k up.
> > I now notice that my down rate is 5500k but the up rate is over 700k. Is 
> > this an indication that I've been LLU'd?
> >
> > If so, what're the downsides of this (apart from a lower download rate 
> > that I'm experiencing) ?
> >
> > Ta.
> 
> This will tell you if your exchange is LLU enabled.
> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/checker2.php 

BUT...will not tell you for certain if you've been LLU'd. If it isn't 
enabled, you are not LLU'd. If it is, you *might* be..

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"Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 26 May 2008 13:29:17 UTC, "Section 31T"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> "Grumps"  wrote in message
>> news:69vr6oF34f2ihU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > I have been with my current ISP for a number of years and have had a 
>> > nice
>> > stable rate of about 6500k down, 448k up.
>> > I now notice that my down rate is 5500k but the up rate is over 700k. 
>> > Is
>> > this an indication that I've been LLU'd?
>> >
>> > If so, what're the downsides of this (apart from a lower download rate
>> > that I'm experiencing) ?
>> >
>> > Ta.
>>
>> This will tell you if your exchange is LLU enabled.
>> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/checker2.php
>
> BUT...will not tell you for certain if you've been LLU'd. If it isn't
> enabled, you are not LLU'd. If it is, you *might* be..

Thanks. My exchange has been LLU'd for a while.
Are ISPs allowed to swap you to their LLU stuff without asking, and is there 
any negative aspects of LLU?

On 26/05/2008 18:57, Grumps wrote:

> Are ISPs allowed to swap you to their LLU stuff without asking, 

Tiscali do (they own the broadband parts of Pipex too)

Grumps wrote:
> Are ISPs allowed to swap you to their LLU stuff without asking

Unless your contract/terms of service specifically preclude them from 
doing so, yes.

Andy Burns wrote:

> On 26/05/2008 14:07, Grumps wrote:
>
> > the up rate is over 700k. Is
> > this an indication that I've been LLU'd?
>
> Either that, or you're on an ADSL Max Premium product.

Yup. Agreed.

Graham

Grumps wrote:

> Are ISPs allowed to swap you to their LLU stuff without asking,

So ot seems.

> and is there any negative aspects of LLU?

It may be more difficult to change ISP and might conceivably cost £47. Not
certain what Ofcom has done to address this. You'll certainly get a longer 'down
time'.

Graham

"Paul Cupis"  wrote in message 
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> Grumps wrote:
>> Are ISPs allowed to swap you to their LLU stuff without asking
>
> Unless your contract/terms of service specifically preclude them from 
> doing so, yes.

Well, the T&Cs say that they can do WTF they like, but will give 30 days 
notice. They haven't.

Grumps wrote:
> "Paul Cupis"  wrote in message 
> news:g1ev7m$2mhn$1@energise.enta.net...
>> Grumps wrote:
>>> Are ISPs allowed to swap you to their LLU stuff without asking
>> Unless your contract/terms of service specifically preclude them from 
>> doing so, yes.
> 
> Well, the T&Cs say that they can do WTF they like, but will give 30 days 
> notice. They haven't.

I haven't seen the specific T&Cs you/they are bound to, so these are 
general comments.

I would be surprised if changing the wholesaler for a ADSL service 
constituted a material change in the service an ISP is providing, unless 
such a change led to a drastically reduced quality of service or a 
significant period of downtime.

Some will argue that if the subscriber subsequently wanted to move to 
another ISP who used a different wholesaler that that ISP incurs a 
higher charge than if you migrated between ISPs on the same wholesaler, 
and that the ISP may pass this charge in part or whole onto the 
subscriber, but that is between the subscriber and the new ISP, not the 
old ISP.

For reference, the BTwholesale charge (to the gaining SP) to migrate 
between ISPs is £11. The Openreach charge to move from one wholesaler to 
another (SMPF) is £34.86, to cease a line is £4.90. BTwholesale charge 
the same as Openreach to "activate" ADSL on a line (either a line with 
no ADSL on previously, or a line moving from another wholesaler to 
BTwholesale).

Regards,

Eeyore wrote:
> Grumps wrote:
>
>> Are ISPs allowed to swap you to their LLU stuff without asking,
>
> So ot seems.
>
>> and is there any negative aspects of LLU?
>
> It may be more difficult to change ISP and might conceivably cost
> £47. Not certain what Ofcom has done to address this. You'll
> certainly get a longer 'down time'.
>
> Graham

As far as OFCOM is concerned it should be no more difficulty in migrating a 
LLU service than the older BT carrier based ones.  How the service providers 
look at it could be another matter.

Grumps wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> I have been with my current ISP for a number of years and have had a nice 
> stable rate of about 6500k down, 448k up.
> I now notice that my down rate is 5500k but the up rate is over 700k. Is 
> this an indication that I've been LLU'd?

What ISP are you with?

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|Support                            Home & Business @
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PlusNet Support Team wrote:
> Grumps wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> I have been with my current ISP for a number of years and have had a
>> nice stable rate of about 6500k down, 448k up.
>> I now notice that my down rate is 5500k but the up rate is over
>> 700k. Is this an indication that I've been LLU'd?
>
> What ISP are you with?

Nildram, but I'm billed by Pipex Business. I think it's all owned by Tiscali 
now.

Grumps wrote:
> PlusNet Support Team wrote:
>> Grumps wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I have been with my current ISP for a number of years and have had a
>>> nice stable rate of about 6500k down, 448k up.
>>> I now notice that my down rate is 5500k but the up rate is over
>>> 700k. Is this an indication that I've been LLU'd?
>> What ISP are you with?
> 
> Nildram, but I'm billed by Pipex Business. I think it's all owned by Tiscali 
> now.

Judging by the post below, you should be able to find out by checking 
your upgrade options whilst logged into your account:

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=pipex&Number=3360804

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"Eeyore"  wrote in message 
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>
> It may be more difficult to change ISP and might conceivably cost £47. Not
> certain what Ofcom has done to address this. You'll certainly get a longer 
> 'down
> time'.

I migrated last year from Nildram (LLU) to Be (LLU) and the downtime using a 
MAC number was the grand total of under 10 minutes. Have things changed 
recently?

--
Far

Far wrote:
> "Eeyore"  wrote in message
> news:483B0585.EC8E6487@hotmail.com...
>>
>> It may be more difficult to change ISP and might conceivably cost
>> £47. Not certain what Ofcom has done to address this. You'll
>> certainly get a longer 'down
>> time'.
>
> I migrated last year from Nildram (LLU) to Be (LLU) and the
> downtime using a MAC number was the grand total of under 10
> minutes. Have things changed recently?

It can as smoothly as that or be far more difficult depending on who you're 
leaving & who you're moving to...

The direction of the wind may also have some effect as well ;-)