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date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:56:44 +0100,    group: uk.telecom        back       
GPO Telephone 332 Bell Issues   
Can anyone advise on this issue and how to fix it?

I have in my possession a GPO Telephone 332.  In 2001 I used it in
Edinburgh plugged into a standard BT master socket.  AFAIR it worked
just fine.

The 'phone is converted, i.e. it has a 3.3k resistor in series with
its bell.  Just recently I tried to utilize at my home here in the US
on my VoIP setup.

My internet acess is thru my Cable company.  The Cable interface box
is connected to a D-Link router.  It in turn is connected to a UK
Standard Linksys/ATA router.  The first RJ11 output port on the
Linksys is connected to one pair of a Cat5e cable that runs to my
Study.  The run is eighty feet max.

The Cat5e pair is terminated thru a wall in my study with a standard
BT master outlet.  When I plug my GPO 332 into said master outlet, I
have dial tone.  Clearly I cannot make calls.  However, receiving them
is also an issue.  The bell in the 332 barely rings.  The bell just
"tinkles" a little.

Is this because the ATA does not provide enough "juice"?  Could the
bell have deteriorated during its eight years of disuse?

Thanks
date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:00:31 -0700 (PDT)   author:   E27002

Re: GPO Telephone 332 Bell Issues   
"E27002"  wrote in message 
news:6372c864-d62e-452e-b714-8c50fddae066@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Can anyone advise on this issue and how to fix it?
>
> I have in my possession a GPO Telephone 332.  In 2001 I used it in
> Edinburgh plugged into a standard BT master socket.  AFAIR it worked
> just fine.
>
> The 'phone is converted, i.e. it has a 3.3k resistor in series with
> its bell.  Just recently I tried to utilize at my home here in the US
> on my VoIP setup.
>
> My internet acess is thru my Cable company.  The Cable interface box
> is connected to a D-Link router.  It in turn is connected to a UK
> Standard Linksys/ATA router.  The first RJ11 output port on the
> Linksys is connected to one pair of a Cat5e cable that runs to my
> Study.  The run is eighty feet max.
>
> The Cat5e pair is terminated thru a wall in my study with a standard
> BT master outlet.  When I plug my GPO 332 into said master outlet, I
> have dial tone.  Clearly I cannot make calls.  However, receiving them
> is also an issue.  The bell in the 332 barely rings.  The bell just
> "tinkles" a little.
>
> Is this because the ATA does not provide enough "juice"?  Could the
> bell have deteriorated during its eight years of disuse?
>
> Thanks

My experience is an ATA does not provide nearly as much ringing
current as my BT line.
Try reducing the value of the 3k3 resistor, try shorting it out completely.
The reason it is there in the first place is to raise the impedance of the
bell so that parallel modern HI-Z ringers get a fair share of the available
current. As this is likely to be the only phone on the ATA port that won't 
be an issue.

-- 
Graham.

%Profound_observation%
date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:42:57 +0100   author:   Graham.

Orange brand in France (Telecom)   
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/why-are-so-many-france-telecom-workers-dying-1795171.html

Why are so many France Telecom workers dying?


In the past 19 months, 24 workers have committed suicide. Shocking? Not
when compared to previous years' totals.

By John Lichfield and Alexandra Mauviel

Wednesday, 30 September 2009

Some of the employees of France Telecom – which operates the "Orange"
brand in France – have seen the future. It is black and comfortless. The
latest person to come to that view was a 51-year-old father of two
employed in an Orange call centre who threw himself from a motorway bridge
near Annecy on Monday. His death brought the number of France Telecom
employees who have committed suicide in the past 19 months to 24.


Trades union leaders blame the allegedly brutal management culture of a
company which has transformed itself over a decade from a ponderous state
utility to a leading telecommunications enterprise.

<snip>
date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:56:44 +0100   author:   Szczepan Kolezniak sion

Re: Orange brand in France (Telecom)   
"Szczepan Kolezniak" <Szczepan_Kolezniak@Polish.Invasion> wrote in message 
news:ha1jrc$k7p$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/why-are-so-many-france-telecom-workers-dying-1795171.html
>
> Why are so many France Telecom workers dying?
>
>
> In the past 19 months, 24 workers have committed suicide. Shocking? Not
> when compared to previous years' totals.
>
> By John Lichfield and Alexandra Mauviel
>
> Wednesday, 30 September 2009
>
> Some of the employees of France Telecom – which operates the "Orange"
> brand in France – have seen the future. It is black and comfortless. The
> latest person to come to that view was a 51-year-old father of two
> employed in an Orange call centre who threw himself from a motorway bridge
> near Annecy on Monday. His death brought the number of France Telecom
> employees who have committed suicide in the past 19 months to 24.
>
>
> Trades union leaders blame the allegedly brutal management culture of a
> company which has transformed itself over a decade from a ponderous state
> utility to a leading telecommunications enterprise.

There may well be a lot of sense in that last sentence.
I can remember the trauma amongst staff when BT was liberalised then 
privatised, though I don't think any suicide stats were published...

George
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:15:47 +0100   author:   George Weston

Re: Orange brand in France (Telecom)   
"Szczepan Kolezniak" <Szczepan_Kolezniak@Polish.Invasion> wrote in message 
news:ha1jrc$k7p$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/why-are-so-many-france-telecom-workers-dying-1795171.html
>
> Why are so many France Telecom workers dying?
>
>
> In the past 19 months, 24 workers have committed suicide. Shocking? Not
> when compared to previous years' totals.

Read on - actually less than the French average, which is about double the 
UK's.
Same for road accidents.

In Britain we have care in the community for the mentally ill.

In France they have care in your car; the really bad cases are only allowed 
on the Boulevard Periphique...
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:04:03 +0100   author:   R. Mark Clayton

Re: Orange brand in France (Telecom)   
"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
news:UpidnQai5qmNY1nXnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Szczepan Kolezniak" <Szczepan_Kolezniak@Polish.Invasion> wrote in message
> news:ha1jrc$k7p$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/why-are-so-many-france-telecom-workers-dying-1795171.html
>>
>> Why are so many France Telecom workers dying?
>>
>> In the past 19 months, 24 workers have committed suicide. Shocking? Not
>> when compared to previous years' totals.
>
> Read on - actually less than the French average, which is about double the
> UK's.
> Same for road accidents.
>
> In Britain we have care in the community for the mentally ill.
>
Which consists of pumping them full of major tranquilisers, i've had a
couple of relatives who spent the rest of their sad lives in that position
>
> In France they have care in your car; the really bad cases are only
> allowed on the Boulevard Periphique...
>
Allowing suicide is more honest

Steve Terry
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:22:59 +0100   author:   Steve Terry

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