Hi,

Moved into a new house got phone line reconnected with BT and O2 home 
broadband on it.

Syncs at 2612Kbps/834Kbps on a 2.6km line.

The internal wiring is as follows:

BT Wires comes in next to window > small BT branded box > NTE > 2 
Extensions to bedrooms.

Below are two pictures - one of the small BT box joining the wires from 
outside to internal and the NTE.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6914/btbox.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9867/nte.jpg

I have two questions.

1) In the small box joining external to internal wires the pairs are 
twisted together rather than crimped or soldered. Is it advisable to 
change this box for one with built in connection terminals?

2) The NTE is awkwardly mounted about 2cm below the floor line. Does 
anyone have any idea how I can get this above without damaging anything? 
Ideally I would like to replace the NTE with an ADSL filtered faceplate 
model.

Thanks

On 21/09/09 09:25, Tankboy wrote:

> BT Wires comes in next to window > small BT branded box > NTE > 2
> Extensions to bedrooms.
>
> Below are two pictures - one of the small BT box joining the wires from
> outside to internal and the NTE.

They both look a bit rough. It's naughty I know, but if it was my house 
I'd replace the first box with an NTE5, mounted so the dropwire comes 
directly into the rear of it, fit an ADSL faceplate, then run new 
extensions from there.

Andy Burns wrote:
> On 21/09/09 09:25, Tankboy wrote:
> 
>> BT Wires comes in next to window > small BT branded box > NTE > 2
>> Extensions to bedrooms.
>>
>> Below are two pictures - one of the small BT box joining the wires from
>> outside to internal and the NTE.
> 
> They both look a bit rough. It's naughty I know, but if it was my house 
> I'd replace the first box with an NTE5, mounted so the dropwire comes 
> directly into the rear of it, fit an ADSL faceplate, then run new 
> extensions from there.

Have bought the following:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270456811765&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250384125441&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=262&page=1

Will replace the NTE and hard-wire one of the extensions as a phone 
point the other as ADSL.

Cheers

On 21/09/09 09:48, Tankboy wrote:

> Have bought the following:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270456811765&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250384125441&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
> http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=262&page=1
>
> Will replace the NTE and hard-wire one of the extensions as a phone
> point the other as ADSL.

Yes, if you don't want the router near the master socket, those clarity 
faceplates are good.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Andy Burns   wrote:

> On 21/09/09 09:25, Tankboy wrote:
>
>> BT Wires comes in next to window > small BT branded box > NTE > 2
>> Extensions to bedrooms.
>>
>> Below are two pictures - one of the small BT box joining the wires
>> from outside to internal and the NTE.
>
> They both look a bit rough. It's naughty I know, but if it was my
> house I'd replace the first box with an NTE5, mounted so the dropwire
> comes directly into the rear of it, fit an ADSL faceplate, then run
> new extensions from there.

You beat me to it!
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Roger
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tankboy   wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>> On 21/09/09 09:25, Tankboy wrote:
>>
>>> BT Wires comes in next to window > small BT branded box > NTE > 2
>>> Extensions to bedrooms.
>>>
>>> Below are two pictures - one of the small BT box joining the wires
>>> from outside to internal and the NTE.
>>
>> They both look a bit rough. It's naughty I know, but if it was my
>> house I'd replace the first box with an NTE5, mounted so the
>> dropwire comes directly into the rear of it, fit an ADSL faceplate,
>> then run new extensions from there.
>
> Have bought the following:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270456811765&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250384125441&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
> http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=262&page=1
>
> Will replace the NTE and hard-wire one of the extensions as a phone
> point the other as ADSL.
>
> Cheers

What's the junction box for? I don't think you need that.

But it *would* be a good idea to terminate the ADSL extension with an RJ11 
outlet socket - then there'll be no possible confusion as to which is which 
(quite apart from avoiding the need for an adapter at the end of your ADSL 
modem/router cable).
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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Roger Mills wrote:
> What's the junction box for? I don't think you need that.

To replace the BT box where the cable enters the property.  Currently 
the wires are twisted together, thought it would be better to terminate 
these in a proper block rather than their current arrangement.

> But it *would* be a good idea to terminate the ADSL extension with an RJ11 
> outlet socket - then there'll be no possible confusion as to which is which 
> (quite apart from avoiding the need for an adapter at the end of your ADSL 
> modem/router cable).

Only me an my wife in the house and she has no interest in unplugging 
things!  The filtered faceplate provides filtered extensions for phones 
and unfiltered extensions for modem/routers to be placed onto.  I am 
going to wire one of each.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tankboy   wrote:

>
> Only me an my wife in the house and she has no interest in unplugging
> things!  The filtered faceplate provides filtered extensions for
> phones and unfiltered extensions for modem/routers to be placed onto.
> I am going to wire one of each.


Yes I know! But what are you going to put at the end of the unfiltered 
extension wire? You will need something for your ADSL modem or router to 
plug into, and that will likely have an RJ11 plug (not a BT plug) on the end 
of its cable - so one of Clarity's RJ45/RJ11 outlet boxes (or similar) would 
be better than an ordinary telephone extension socket.
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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On 21/09/09 12:54, Tankboy wrote:
> Roger Mills wrote:
>> What's the junction box for? I don't think you need that.
>
> To replace the BT box where the cable enters the property. Currently the
> wires are twisted together, thought it would be better to terminate
> these in a proper block rather than their current arrangement.

Why not put the NTE5 plus the clarity faceplate there?

Then run filtered and unfiltered extensions direct from the faceplate to 
wherever you need them.

On 21/09/09 18:44, Andy Burns wrote:
> On 21/09/09 12:54, Tankboy wrote:
>> Roger Mills wrote:
>>> What's the junction box for? I don't think you need that.
>>
>> To replace the BT box where the cable enters the property. Currently the
>> wires are twisted together, thought it would be better to terminate
>> these in a proper block rather than their current arrangement.
>
> Why not put the NTE5 plus the clarity faceplate there?

Besides that junction box is probably not the sort of think BT would 
use, so you leave yourself open to being found out later ... and paying 
for it to be "normalised".

"Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
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> On 21/09/09 18:44, Andy Burns wrote:
>> On 21/09/09 12:54, Tankboy wrote:
>>> Roger Mills wrote:
>>>> What's the junction box for? I don't think you need that.
>>>
>>> To replace the BT box where the cable enters the property. 
>>> Currently the
>>> wires are twisted together, thought it would be better to 
>>> terminate
>>> these in a proper block rather than their current arrangement.
>>
>> Why not put the NTE5 plus the clarity faceplate there?
>
> Besides that junction box is probably not the sort of think BT would 
> use, so you leave yourself open to being found out later ... and 
> paying for it to be "normalised".
>


Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could see 
was the connection of the wiring.  If they were twisted then taped, 
that's a definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they would 
be up to a standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't now.  If 
it was the later which was discovered that aught to be brought up to 
current standards FOC.

Kráftéé wrote:

> Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could see was 
> the connection of the wiring.  If they were twisted then taped, that's a 
> definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they would be up to a 
> standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't now.  

What is now used in place of crimps ?

On 21/09/09 21:04, Gaius wrote:
> Kráftéé wrote:
>
>> Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could see
>> was the connection of the wiring. If they were twisted then taped,
>> that's a definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they would
>> be up to a standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't now.
>
> What is now used in place of crimps ?

still jelly crimps AFAIK ...

"Gaius"  wrote in message 
news:4ab7dc45$0$2493$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> Kráftéé wrote:
>
>> Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could see 
>> was the connection of the wiring.  If they were twisted then taped, 
>> that's a definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they 
>> would be up to a standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't 
>> now.
>
> What is now used in place of crimps ?
>
>

The early white crimps (and blue for that matter), you may know them 
as 'white beanies' (or blue beanies as the case maybe) are being 
actively changed to the new 3M type,  which are clear.  Some have been 
used with a red or yellow 'head' but here again the use of those are 
now frowned upon as they are prone to causing HR connections.  So the 
only crimp/jelly connectors approved at this time are the 3M type 
_clear_.  Anybody who keeps up with their reams of internal emails 
would be aware.

"Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
news:yMmdndANlKbjnCXXnZ2dnUVZ8tZi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
> On 21/09/09 21:04, Gaius wrote:
>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could 
>>> see
>>> was the connection of the wiring. If they were twisted then taped,
>>> that's a definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they 
>>> would
>>> be up to a standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't now.
>>
>> What is now used in place of crimps ?
>
> still jelly crimps AFAIK ...


yep but not the (very) old white or blue type beanies.

As I've already said the picture is unclear about whether they are the 
old white beanies or just twist and type.  Both types would require 
replacing.  Or do the rest of the country still use the very old 
white, and not quite so old blue beanies.

Kráftéé wrote:
> "Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
> news:UN6dndrwpaPvXCrXnZ2dnUVZ8kti4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>> On 21/09/09 18:44, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> On 21/09/09 12:54, Tankboy wrote:
>>>> Roger Mills wrote:
>>>>> What's the junction box for? I don't think you need that.
>>>>
>>>> To replace the BT box where the cable enters the property. Currently 
>>>> the
>>>> wires are twisted together, thought it would be better to terminate
>>>> these in a proper block rather than their current arrangement.
>>>
>>> Why not put the NTE5 plus the clarity faceplate there?
>>
>> Besides that junction box is probably not the sort of think BT would 
>> use, so you leave yourself open to being found out later ... and 
>> paying for it to be "normalised".
>>
> Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could see was 
> the connection of the wiring.  If they were twisted then taped, that's a 
> definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they would be up to a 
> standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't now.  If it was the 
> later which was discovered that aught to be brought up to current 
> standards FOC.

The cables entering the house are twisted and taped with white tape.  I 
intend to replace this with the junction box.

Kráftéé wrote:
> "Gaius"  wrote in message 
> news:4ab7dc45$0$2493$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could see 
>>> was the connection of the wiring.  If they were twisted then taped, 
>>> that's a definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they 
>>> would be up to a standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't now.
>>
>> What is now used in place of crimps ?
>>
> The early white crimps (and blue for that matter), you may know them as 
> 'white beanies' (or blue beanies as the case maybe) are being actively 
> changed to the new 3M type,  which are clear.  Some have been used with 
> a red or yellow 'head' but here again the use of those are now frowned 
> upon as they are prone to causing HR connections.  So the only 
> crimp/jelly connectors approved at this time are the 3M type _clear_.  
> Anybody who keeps up with their reams of internal emails would be aware.

In your opinion would it be better to keep the current junction box and 
use new jelly connectors such as http://snipurl.com/s1fzn or use the 
junction box with built in terminals http://snipurl.com/s1g11?

"Kráftéé" <kráftéé@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message 
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> "Tankboy"  wrote in message 
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>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>> "Gaius"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4ab7dc45$0$2493$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually it is something that is used, the only problem I could see 
>>>>> was the connection of the wiring.  If they were twisted then taped, 
>>>>> that's a definite bodge, but if they are white crimps, then they would 
>>>>> be up to a standard which BT/Openreach used to use but don't now.
>>>>
>>>> What is now used in place of crimps ?
>>>>
>>> The early white crimps (and blue for that matter), you may know them as 
>>> 'white beanies' (or blue beanies as the case maybe) are being actively 
>>> changed to the new 3M type,  which are clear.  Some have been used with 
>>> a red or yellow 'head' but here again the use of those are now frowned 
>>> upon as they are prone to causing HR connections.  So the only 
>>> crimp/jelly connectors approved at this time are the 3M type _clear_. 
>>> Anybody who keeps up with their reams of internal emails would be aware.
>>
>> In your opinion would it be better to keep the current junction box and 
>> use new jelly connectors such as http://snipurl.com/s1fzn or use the 
>> junction box with built in terminals http://snipurl.com/s1g11?
>
>
> I wouldn't use the jellies/crimp/3M as they are the type which can cause 
> HR connections.
>
> The box is the way I would normally go, unfortunately they appear to have 
> some problems with the spec but as long as you connect both cables via the 
> same IDCs' it'll be ok.

Hi Kraftee,
When O.R. put a second line in here a year or so ago, they replaced
the outdoor junction box under the eves with a new cylindrical
gismo that I know nothing about. Have you got a link to some
info about it?

-- 
Graham.

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