- Sorry if this appears thwice, tried posting it last night but seems it
didn't appear.

 Hi,

I've just this minute received a call (unsolicted) on my BT line offering
me a Holiday and to press 9 (A recorded message). I have now barred the
caller via 14258 but looking at the CLI displayed (and repeated by 1471 &
14258)
I  am wondering if it is legit?

 The CLI is displayed as 01407-4780000 According to
http://www.magsys.co.uk/telecom/codelook.asp 01407 is a Holyhead number
but it says "Locality:(Insufficient digits or no match)" and it looks like
to  many digits for that?

My other guess would be (judging by the accent) USA, but no leading 0?
Anyway I thought BT didn't pass International CLI.?

 Anyway another scammer to add to the list!

 Cheers,

 Wayne

The message <9aWdnR6uANDB3BXVRVnyvwA@posted.plusnet>
from "=- \\/\\/ayne =-"  contains these words:

> - Sorry if this appears thwice, tried posting it last night but seems it
> didn't appear.

>  Hi,

> I've just this minute received a call (unsolicted) on my BT line offering
> me a Holiday and to press 9 (A recorded message). I have now barred the
> caller via 14258 but looking at the CLI displayed (and repeated by 1471 &
> 14258)
> I  am wondering if it is legit?

>  The CLI is displayed as 01407-4780000 According to
> http://www.magsys.co.uk/telecom/codelook.asp 01407 is a Holyhead number
> but it says "Locality:(Insufficient digits or no match)" and it looks like
> to  many digits for that?

> My other guess would be (judging by the accent) USA, but no leading 0?
> Anyway I thought BT didn't pass International CLI.?

>  Anyway another scammer to add to the list!

>  Cheers,

>  Wayne




It's discussed here

http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/014074780000

Looks as if it is an American scam.

You could complain to the usual places but probably just as effective to
write your complain on a piece of paper than burn it as with notes to
Santa Claus.

I did read a few years ago that someone identifies the American source
and complained to the state equivalent of trading standards, I seem to
remember they were more effective that the toothless TPS/OFCOM/OIC.

MB

"MB" <MB@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:3130303030373135488879F089@invalid.invalid...
> The message <9aWdnR6uANDB3BXVRVnyvwA@posted.plusnet>
> from "=- \\/\\/ayne =-"  contains these words:
>
>> - Sorry if this appears thwice, tried posting it last night but seems it
>> didn't appear.
>
>>  Hi,
>
>> I've just this minute received a call (unsolicted) on my BT line offering
>> me a Holiday and to press 9 (A recorded message). I have now barred the
>> caller via 14258 but looking at the CLI displayed (and repeated by 1471 &
>> 14258)
>> I  am wondering if it is legit?
>
>>  The CLI is displayed as 01407-4780000 According to
>> http://www.magsys.co.uk/telecom/codelook.asp 01407 is a Holyhead number
>> but it says "Locality:(Insufficient digits or no match)" and it looks 
>> like
>> to  many digits for that?
>
>> My other guess would be (judging by the accent) USA, but no leading 0?
>> Anyway I thought BT didn't pass International CLI.?
>
>>  Anyway another scammer to add to the list!
>
>>  Cheers,
>
>>  Wayne
>
>
>
>
> It's discussed here
>
> http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/014074780000
>
> Looks as if it is an American scam.
>
> You could complain to the usual places but probably just as effective to
> write your complain on a piece of paper than burn it as with notes to
> Santa Claus.
>
> I did read a few years ago that someone identifies the American source
> and complained to the state equivalent of trading standards, I seem to
> remember they were more effective that the toothless TPS/OFCOM/OIC.
>
> MB

As above - plus the call doesn't have to come through a BT international 
gateway to reach you from overseas.

Peter

The message <kp%hk.43402$m62.40213@newsfe27.ams2>
from "Peter Andrews"  contains these words:


> As above - plus the call doesn't have to come through a BT international 
> gateway to reach you from overseas.

> Peter 



But there is no hope of the British authorities investigating to see
whether it actually originated in the UK, they will just say that it is
an international number and wash their hands of any responsibility.



MB

"=- \/\/ayne =-"  wrote in message 
news:9aWdnR6uANDB3BXVRVnyvwA@posted.plusnet...
>- Sorry if this appears thwice, tried posting it last night but seems it
> didn't appear.
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just this minute received a call (unsolicted) on my BT line offering
> me a Holiday and to press 9 (A recorded message). I have now barred the
> caller via 14258 but looking at the CLI displayed (and repeated by 1471 &
> 14258)
> I  am wondering if it is legit?
>
> The CLI is displayed as 01407-4780000 According to
> http://www.magsys.co.uk/telecom/codelook.asp 01407 is a Holyhead number
> but it says "Locality:(Insufficient digits or no match)" and it looks like
> to  many digits for that?
>
> My other guess would be (judging by the accent) USA, but no leading 0?
> Anyway I thought BT didn't pass International CLI.?
>
> Anyway another scammer to add to the list!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
>
Probably USA, but even then the number looks iffy as 0000 does not look 
valid.

Probably entered the UK by non BT route - for instance mobile to mobile 
calls usually show full Int'l CLI, especially if on the same network.

Joined re the following numbers I have had calls from:-
01254587886633	01407 4780000
From Cruise or Holiday Company inviting you to press 9. You then get through 
to a sales rep. From my experience very rude and unco-operative. Keep them 
talking, waste their time as my provider (Virgin) advised me NO charges are 
or were made against my account. They will soon be bankrupted.

These people/organisations who call ex-directory numbers with autodialers 
are the scourge of the industry and create bad feelings with the genuine 
organisations out there who do abide by the rules.

url:http://myreader.co.uk/msg/141414065.aspx

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:38:18 +0800, BS Osborne passed an empty day by
writing:

> Joined re the following numbers I have had calls from:- 01254587886633
> 01407 4780000
> From Cruise or Holiday Company inviting you to press 9. You then get
> through to a sales rep. From my experience very rude and unco-operative.
> Keep them talking, waste their time as my provider (Virgin) advised me
> NO charges are or were made against my account. They will soon be
> bankrupted.
> 
> These people/organisations who call ex-directory numbers with
> autodialers are the scourge of the industry and create bad feelings with
> the genuine organisations out there who do abide by the rules.
> 
> url:http://myreader.co.uk/msg/141414065.aspx

But they are great fun to play with ;-)
'You've won a holiday' 'Where?' 'The Bahamas' 'I've been and don't like 
it. I would never go again. Where else...' 'Carabiean' 'I've been and I 
don't like it, anywhere else?'....

The fun I had when I once answered a phone in a telephone exchange to a 
windows rep. I invited him around for a quote. It was a bit draughty 
after all ;-)
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In article <489c85a2$0$2522$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>,
	Klunk  writes:
> But they are great fun to play with ;-)
> 'You've won a holiday' 'Where?' 'The Bahamas' 'I've been and don't like 
> it. I would never go again. Where else...' 'Carabiean' 'I've been and I 
> don't like it, anywhere else?'....
> 
> The fun I had when I once answered a phone in a telephone exchange to a 
> windows rep. I invited him around for a quote. It was a bit draughty 
> after all ;-)

It's not unheard of for double glazing salesmen to find they
made an appointment to measure up for a conservatory on the
25th floor of a tower block...

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:45:03 +0000, Andrew Gabriel passed an empty day by
writing:

> In article <489c85a2$0$2522$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>,
> 	Klunk  writes:
>> But they are great fun to play with ;-) 'You've won a holiday' 'Where?'
>> 'The Bahamas' 'I've been and don't like it. I would never go again.
>> Where else...' 'Carabiean' 'I've been and I don't like it, anywhere
>> else?'....
>> 
>> The fun I had when I once answered a phone in a telephone exchange to a
>> windows rep. I invited him around for a quote. It was a bit draughty
>> after all ;-)
> 
> It's not unheard of for double glazing salesmen to find they made an
> appointment to measure up for a conservatory on the 25th floor of a
> tower block...

Spot on ;-)

It needs people to waste the time and money of these 'marketing' 
companies to kick them under. When the return is lower than investment it 
will stop.

I run a simple and tight ship but if anyone has any extra suggestions 
they are most welcome:

1) Junk mail gets 'return to sender' label and put back into the mail 
without a stamp.
2) Despite being 'opted out' by Royal Mail, they still put unaddressed 
leaflets through the door. These have a label attached and are returned 
to the local 'Opt Out' office without a stamp.
3) Junk leaflets are put in an envelope and addressed to the company that 
produced them and mailed back - without a stamp. The words 'PLEASE 
SURCHARGE THIS ITEM' are printed on the label. (My local 'free' newspaper 
with about 20 leaflets a week found this rather expensive, tracked me 
down and stopped putting them through my door)
4) Always keep spoof callers on the phone as long as possible and make 
appointments with them at inconvenient times and places that don't exist. 
(Such as giving the address of your local trading standards office or 
police station)
5) Spam: Forget all those costly solutions, bayes set-ups, RBL's etc. All 
of them only have limited use. Buy a cheap domain name of randomness and 
hosting package. Every time you need to fill in an online form and have 
to provide an email address do this:

<company_name_and_date>@<cheapdomain>

You can easily filter off the crap in that way by recipient AND find out 
just who it is that is giving away your details. The biggest source of 
spam for me came from <microsoft_register>, but also found small 
companies that I had good trading relationships with were guilty of it 
too. The result was no more business for them and an example of why.

What I did notice was that when I put up a 'no leaflets' sign it was 
ignored with one Pizza leaflet dropper saying 'I can't read English'. 
Yet, when I replaced it with 'Danger! This letterbox has an electrified 
strip inside to stop unwanted leaflets' they were able to read that and 
not take the chance. Ironically the police told me to remove it after the 
Post Office complained (there was only ever a sign - no apparatus)

Perhaps in the autumn I will fit a high pressure water jet at the front 
door that I can operate from inside via an intercom and perhaps have the 
letterbox on a release solenoid so it only opens if I want it to :-)


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On 09 Aug 2008 06:55:33 GMT, Klunk
 wrote:

>Perhaps in the autumn I will fit a high pressure water jet at the front 
>door that I can operate from inside via an intercom and perhaps have the 
>letterbox on a release solenoid so it only opens if I want it to :-)

You'll probably be in trouble if you do that. What does work is a
hanging  basket over the door and an automated high volume watering
system, with manual override,  for the basket. Then you can turn it on
when required.  

This will certainly drench the callers. It works cos my local pub has
managed to place such a basket over the entrance and the chances of
getting a soak when leaving are pretty high.  :-)

-- 
brightside S9

On Aug 8, 2:38 pm, "BS Osborne" wrote:
> Joined re the following numbers I have had calls from:-
> 01254587886633  01407 4780000
> From Cruise or Holiday Company inviting you to press 9. You then get through
> to a sales rep. From my experience very rude and unco-operative. Keep them
> talking, waste their time as my provider (Virgin) advised me NO charges are
> or were made against my account. They will soon be bankrupted.
>
>
>
> url:http://myreader.co.uk/msg/141414065.aspx

They will be bankrupted because they are rude and uncooperative and
never sell anything rather than the cost of the phone bill which will
be peanuts.

In message <489d3f64$0$26074$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, Klunk 
 writes
>
>Perhaps in the autumn I will fit a high pressure water jet at the front
>door that I can operate from inside via an intercom and perhaps have the
>letterbox on a release solenoid so it only opens if I want it to :-)
>

Two thoughts on this.

1
  I have just screwed a block onto the inside of the letter box that is 
in the door of the annexe of my house, although there was a notice taped 
across it asking for no junk mail, free papers etc. this was regularly 
removed and junk mail, free papers etc. pushed through. Should be 
interesting to see how determined they are to get it through the 
letterbox now! Must add an extra CCTV camera to cover it!!

2
I have a Virgin Media, ex NTL, line that no one knows the number of, I 
get 2 or 3 calls a week on it in an evening, now answered as either " D 
wing HMP Bedford "  or " Mid Cheshire Brothels "  depending on my mood 
at the time.   I must admit I was a bit sorry when I used the 2nd one 
last week and it sounded like a little old lady who had misdialed the 
number, she was not amused!!!!!!



>

-- 
Bill

In message <489d3f64$0$26074$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, Klunk 
 writes
>It needs people to waste the time and money of these 'marketing'
>companies to kick them under.
Problem with that is that the salesmen are usually unpaid and working 
commission only.

>When the return is lower than investment it
>will stop.
>

-- 
Clint Sharp

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:19:27 +0100, Clint Sharp passed an empty day by
writing:

> In message <489d3f64$0$26074$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, Klunk
>  writes
>>It needs people to waste the time and money of these 'marketing'
>>companies to kick them under.
> Problem with that is that the salesmen are usually unpaid and working
> commission only.

Don't - you'll have me in tears in a minute .....

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In message <489f2ac6$0$2922$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>, Klunk 
 writes
>> Problem with that is that the salesmen are usually unpaid and working
>> commission only.
>
>Don't - you'll have me in tears in a minute .....
>
Ahh, no, wasn't meant to evoke a sympathy for them, far from it, they 
deserve the stick they get, but to point out that booking false 
appointments for the reps does the company no direct financial harm as 
you've wasted no money of theirs, sure they won't get a sale but they 
survive on volume so it'd take a lot of bad appointments.
-- 
Clint Sharp

"brightside S9" <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote in message 
news:gipq945kjj9rkda80fin61l951bukr0307@4ax.com...
> On 09 Aug 2008 06:55:33 GMT, Klunk
>  wrote:
>
>>Perhaps in the autumn I will fit a high pressure water jet at the front
>>door that I can operate from inside via an intercom and perhaps have the
>>letterbox on a release solenoid so it only opens if I want it to :-)
>
> You'll probably be in trouble if you do that. What does work is a
> hanging  basket over the door and an automated high volume watering
> system, with manual override,  for the basket. Then you can turn it on
> when required.
>
> This will certainly drench the callers. It works cos my local pub has
> managed to place such a basket over the entrance and the chances of
> getting a soak when leaving are pretty high.  :-)

Only way a Tyke gets a wash!

>
> -- 
> brightside S9

Looking in my inbox tonight I have a spam email addressed to:

sainsburys@<xxxxxxxxxxx>.co.uk

Guess which website I used that at ;-)
It's like they say 'Try something different' - yes indeed. F**king spam 
because someone has ripped off your sever. I hope they are looking after 
credit card numbers a bit better ;-)


Here is what I got:


Dear sainsburys

Distribution centers and first-class technology with a talented team. We
partnered with wide-known producers to provide the best
online chemist service. We are sure to meet all of your needs by 
decreasing
your medication costs and safely filling your recipes online. Our netork 
has
been awarded as biggest OnLine Health information Website.

http://listmost.com

12 Aug 2008 08:01:15

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BS Osborne  wrote 

> Joined re the following numbers I have had calls from:-
> 01254587886633	01407 4780000
> From Cruise or Holiday Company inviting you to press 9. You then
[...]

> These people/organisations who call ex-directory numbers with
autodialers are the scourge of the industry and create bad feelings
with the
genuine organisations out there who do abide by the rules.

Cite to any such rules about ex-directory numbers ?

The only UK laws are those forbidding sales calls to a number on the
TPS list ("do not call list"), excessive silent calls, calling with a
recorded message without prior consent and so forth. If these calls are
from the US, complain to the state dept of comsumer protection, eg :-

Florida Dept of Consumer Services
http://www.800helpfla.com/complnt.html

Genuine surveys, such as the British Crime Survey, can call randomly
generated numbers and are more accurate because of this.

-- 
Mike D