I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a switch 
and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is BT the 
only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so even if 
it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I really 
don't want to go with BT any more.

Thanks in advance for any advice

Angela

On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:28:31 UTC, "Angela"  
wrote:

> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a switch 
> and activating it

And who do you think paid the builders to put that line in?   BT.

-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

"Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-HS9GddqVRhRE@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:28:31 UTC, "Angela" 
> wrote:
>
>> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been
>> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
>> switch
>> and activating it
>
> And who do you think paid the builders to put that line in?   BT.
>

Not sure what your point is.  My current house was wired for a burglar by 
one company with the expectation that people would get them to put in the 
alarm but when asked to quote they were twice the price of others so only 
the lazy people who couldn't be bothered to get quotes used the same company 
and paid dearly for it.  What I am asking is who can activate the line, not 
who put it in.

On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:41:49 UTC, "Angela"  
wrote:

> 
> "Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
> news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-HS9GddqVRhRE@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
> > On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:28:31 UTC, "Angela" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been
> >> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
> >> switch
> >> and activating it
> >
> > And who do you think paid the builders to put that line in?   BT.
> >
> 
> Not sure what your point is.  My current house was wired for a burglar by 
> one company with the expectation that people would get them to put in the 
> alarm but when asked to quote they were twice the price of others so only 
> the lazy people who couldn't be bothered to get quotes used the same company 
> and paid dearly for it.  What I am asking is who can activate the line, not 
> who put it in. 

And my point is that BT paid for it up front, so your payment would be 
for rather more than 'flicking a switch'. Whatever you pay will mostly 
get back to BT anyway, for that reason.

-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

"Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-qedCOdto2RkD@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:41:49 UTC, "Angela" 
> wrote:
> And my point is that BT paid for it up front, so your payment would be
> for rather more than 'flicking a switch'. Whatever you pay will mostly
> get back to BT anyway, for that reason.
>

I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month contract 
just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.  So again, who else can 
activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post office 
say that they can actually arrange for line activation.

>I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
>installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
>switch and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is 
>BT the only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so 
>even if it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I 
>really don't want to go with BT any more.


BT paid for the line to be installed into the house and incurred significant 
costs doing so. That has to be paid for and the £124 goes towards that. By 
doing this BT can provide telephone service much quicker than if they have 
to come and do an individual install. It also means that the wires are 
underground giving potentially more reliable service, not to mention being 
much more acceptable visually. You can probably choose another supplier but 
they will still charge you because they have to pay BT for the use of the 
line. In any case the line still has to be connected at the exchange by 
physically connecting it and also to the local distribution network rather 
than flicking a switch. How exactly are  BT fleecing you? Do you think they 
are a charity that do work for nothing?

Peter Crosland

On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:48:56 UTC, "Angela"  
wrote:

> 
> "Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
> news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-qedCOdto2RkD@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
> > On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:41:49 UTC, "Angela" 
> > wrote:
> > And my point is that BT paid for it up front, so your payment would be
> > for rather more than 'flicking a switch'. Whatever you pay will mostly
> > get back to BT anyway, for that reason.
> >
> 
> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month contract 
> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.

That's how it works; helps BT to recoup a bit more of ther investment, 
since the 'installation fee' covers easy and difficult cases.

>  So again, who else can 
> activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post office 
> say that they can actually arrange for line activation. 

By 'sites' I assume you mean 'companies'. That's basically the 
reason...it's a BT line. You may be able to go with someone like 
TalkTalk (heaven forbid), and they'll charge you in a similar manner to 
BT, then pay BT.

Some companies own their own exchange equipment, and others just 
piggyback on BT's. Widen your search; it depends a lot on your exchange.

(and decide if you really want Virgin or the Post Office; it's often 
cheaper to use a BT line, pay higher rental, and have the total freedom 
to route your calls via anyone instead of being locked into the line 
provider).

-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

>> > And my point is that BT paid for it up front, so your payment would be
>> > for rather more than 'flicking a switch'. Whatever you pay will mostly
>> > get back to BT anyway, for that reason.
>> >
>>
>> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month 
>> contract
>> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.
>
> That's how it works; helps BT to recoup a bit more of ther investment,
> since the 'installation fee' covers easy and difficult cases.
>
>>  So again, who else can
>> activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post 
>> office
>> say that they can actually arrange for line activation.
>
> By 'sites' I assume you mean 'companies'. That's basically the
> reason...it's a BT line. You may be able to go with someone like
> TalkTalk (heaven forbid), and they'll charge you in a similar manner to
> BT, then pay BT.
>
> Some companies own their own exchange equipment, and others just
> piggyback on BT's. Widen your search; it depends a lot on your exchange.
>
> (and decide if you really want Virgin or the Post Office; it's often
> cheaper to use a BT line, pay higher rental, and have the total freedom
> to route your calls via anyone instead of being locked into the line
> provider).


Not to mention that you get 24/7/365 automated fault reporting and in any 
case the actual line rental is only a quid per month less than BT.

Peter Crosland

"Angela"  wrote in message
news:e6ydnRjex_T4tdzVnZ2dnUVZ8qvinZ2d@brightview.com...

> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been
> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a
switch
> and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is BT
the
> only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so even
if
> it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I really
> don't want to go with BT any more.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice

If you wan't broadband as well I would recomend Plusnet. http://www.plus.net

"Angela"  wrote in message 
news:e6ydnRjex_T4tdzVnZ2dnUVZ8qvinZ2d@brightview.com...
>I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
>installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
>switch and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is 
>BT the only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so 
>even if it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I 
>really don't want to go with BT any more.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice
>
> Angela
>

BT are offering to install new lines for £29.99 until the end of June 2008 - 
as long as you agree to an 18 month contract with them.

http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/public/current/Notice08_boo/SNL21-08.pdf

>>
>
> BT are offering to install new lines for £29.99 until the end of June 
> 2008 - as long as you agree to an 18 month contract with them.
>
> http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/public/current/Notice08_boo/SNL21-08.pdf
>

I would add, any telcome provider can get Openreach to install/activate a 
line.

But getting them to do it is another matter.

Try these:

Madasafish - £115

PlusNet - £105

Bulldog - £99


With Madasafish and PlusNet you are not tied into a 12 month contract for 
phone - just need to give 1 months notice.

In article , 
whoknows@whoknows.com says...
> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a switch 
> and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is BT the 
> only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so even if 
> it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I really 
> don't want to go with BT any more.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice
> 
> Angela 
> 
> 
> 
By now Angela you will have realised that there are a lot of preachy 
hectoring wankers on Usenet and many of them inhabit this group.

-- 

uk.media.tv.misc - When Norbert (Colon) met Joey (Deacon)

It's Me  wrote:
> But getting them to do it is another matter.
> 
> Try these:
> 
> Madasafish - ?115
> 
> PlusNet - ?105
> 
> Bulldog - ?99

The Phone Co-op is 117 (99+VAT), with a 3 month minimum term:
https://www.thephone.coop/documents/linerental/residential_line_rental_price_list.pdf

Theo

Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> The Phone Co-op is 117 (99+VAT), with a 3 month minimum term:
> https://www.thephone.coop/documents/linerental/residential_line_rental_price_list.pdf

Oops, 12 months for new lines.

Theo

"spack"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.22ab4d81af35304a9896b4@news.btopenworld.com...
In article ,
whoknows@whoknows.com says...
> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been
> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
> switch
> and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is BT 
> the
> only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so even 
> if
> it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I really
> don't want to go with BT any more.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice
>
> Angela
>
>
>
By now Angela you will have realised that there are a lot of preachy
hectoring wankers on Usenet and many of them inhabit this group.

-- 

The rest of us know how difficult it is to get through to a woman that 
refuses to
listen to anyone else, who has already made her mind up and will moan and
moan constantly in order to try and get her own way.

On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:57:24 +0100, spack  wrote:

>In article , 
>whoknows@whoknows.com says...
>> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
>> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a switch 
>> and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is BT the 
>> only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so even if 
>> it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I really 
>> don't want to go with BT any more.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any advice
>> 
>> Angela 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>By now Angela you will have realised that there are a lot of preachy 
>hectoring wankers on Usenet and many of them inhabit this group.

But you were the only one to provide zero useful information.


-- 
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
TTCN (test case notation) for Visio  http://www.ttcn.sandrila.co.uk/

"Angela"  wrote in message 
news:FuadnfGqgNRc09zVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@brightview.com...
>
> "Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
> news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-qedCOdto2RkD@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:41:49 UTC, "Angela" 
>> wrote:
>> And my point is that BT paid for it up front, so your payment would be
>> for rather more than 'flicking a switch'. Whatever you pay will mostly
>> get back to BT anyway, for that reason.
>>
>
> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month contract 
> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.  So again, who else can 
> activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post office 
> say that they can actually arrange for line activation.
>

Your builder probably could have had NT Hell or whoever does it in your 
area, but they would have had to pay.  BT on the other hand literally paid 
your builder and supplied all the materials (duct, faceplates, wire etc.). 
Another supplier could always install their own wire, but it would cost a 
lost more than £125.  If any other supplier wants to use BT's wiring then 
they will have to pay BT.

Next time you buy a new house get your solicitor / surveyor to ensure that 
services are not just installed, but switched on.

I have just discovered as I had taken some pictures part way through the 
build that I actually have one that shows the TV wires, or at least that's 
what they are supposed to be.  There are however 3 of them so what could 
they be?  Maybe it already has the 2 sky wires I need.  Anyone have any 
ideas?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d18/angelaknight/wires.jpg

Angela

"Angela"  wrote in message 
news:D6adnc4RoZC6PtzVnZ2dnUVZ8sKlnZ2d@brightview.com...
>I have just discovered as I had taken some pictures part way through the 
>build that I actually have one that shows the TV wires, or at least that's 
>what they are supposed to be.  There are however 3 of them so what could 
>they be?  Maybe it already has the 2 sky wires I need.  Anyone have any 
>ideas?
>
> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d18/angelaknight/wires.jpg
>
> Angela
>

Sorry, wrong group...........ignore that!

In article , 
SubstituteMyFirstNameHere@pherber.com says...
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:57:24 퍝, spack  wrote:
> 
> >In article , 
> >whoknows@whoknows.com says...
> >> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
> >> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a switch 
> >> and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is BT the 
> >> only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so even if 
> >> it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I really 
> >> don't want to go with BT any more.
> >> 
> >> Thanks in advance for any advice
> >> 
> >> Angela 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >By now Angela you will have realised that there are a lot of preachy 
> >hectoring wankers on Usenet and many of them inhabit this group.
> 
> But you were the only one to provide zero useful information.
> 
> 
> 
Oh I think you need to re-read the thread with the blinkers off.

-- 

uk.media.tv.misc - When Norbert (Colon) met Joey (Deacon)

In article , 
whoknows@whoknows.com says...
> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been 
> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a switch 
> and activating it and I have to sign up for a 12 month contract!  Is BT the 
> only company that can do that?  I am sick of being fleeced by BT so even if 
> it costs the same to go to another company I would just because I really 
> don't want to go with BT any more.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice

My advice is to stop whining.

If you can find somebody to dig up your road and install a phone line 
for less than £124 then sign up with them instead.
-- 
Regards
Jon

In article , 
whoknows@whoknows.com says...
> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month contract 
> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.  So again, who else can 
> activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post office 
> say that they can actually arrange for line activation. 

No one can.
-- 
Regards
Jon

There is a dubious way to get a BT line installed for free, but you do so 
at your own peril.

First of all you order a featureline compact through BT or a BT Local 
Business reseller. Use a name like Manjit Patel (or a similar clearly 
ethnic name) and tell you are a sole trader. The installation is free, 
but there is a hefty tie in. If you are asked for a credit check, give 
any address you like in India (look one up on the Internet). Worst case 
scenario they will ask for a deposit, but as you won't be paying the bill 
it is not a problem.

The line will be installed - but don't use it. After a couple of days 
ring them up and tell them you wish to cancel the line as you have had 
time to reconsider. They will wiggle and moan and may even threaten you 
with a penalty. Just tell them you are moving back to India urgently and 
they can please themselves, but you don't need it and you won't be paying 
for it. Buy the time you hang up, it will probably be cut off.

Give it a couple of days then call them up with your own details saying 
you've just moved in. Tell them there is a phone there already (they can 
check if they want) and ask if they can activate it. If they quote you an 
installation fee of £120+ argue and tell them there is dial tone on it 
and it is already installed. They will usually give in but in most cases 
will see the ceased line at the address and offer to fire it up free ;-) 
If not, at least you have had the pleasure of pissing them around for 
free.

As for the phantom Mr Patel. Well, he has gone back to India. You may 
have to send a few letters back 'not known at this address' and fence a 
few calls (BT Debt Recovery are famous for calling the new sub at an 
address asking for the debtor - they are not meant to but they abuse data 
in that way) - but it is a price worth paying to avoid coughing for the 
fee. Why Manjit Patel? Well racism plays a part here - but not in the way 
you may think. If a debt recovery agent knocks on your door asking for 
Manjit Patel, and is greeted by a white guy, he is going to instinctively 
assume that it is not you. That's inverse racism for you! Naturally, if 
you are from an ethnic background you would vary this theme and use a 
typical middle class white name like Captain Jonathan Bloomsbury-Barton 
is most amusing.

This method, and variants, are of questionable legality. They are, 
however, successful and widely used by travellers, debt evaders and 
general tightwads.

>> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month 
>> contract
>> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.  So again, who else can
>> activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post 
>> office
>> say that they can actually arrange for line activation.
>
> No one can.


Complete rubbish! The are numerous companies that will arrange it for you. 
They will sub-contract the work to BT/Openreach.

Peter Crosland

Angela wrote:
> "Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
> news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-HS9GddqVRhRE@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:28:31 UTC, "Angela" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been
>>> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
>>> switch
>>> and activating it
>> And who do you think paid the builders to put that line in?   BT.
>>
> 
> Not sure what your point is.  My current house was wired for a burglar by 
> one company with the expectation that people would get them to put in the 
> alarm but when asked to quote they were twice the price of others so only 
> the lazy people who couldn't be bothered to get quotes used the same company 
> and paid dearly for it.  What I am asking is who can activate the line, not 
> who put it in. 
> 
> 

Any company that wants to set itself up can contract with you to 
activate the line, but few do, I wonder what the reason could be?

-- 
Tony the Dragon

"Angela"  wrote in message 
news:cNSdnSdf2vfjttzVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@brightview.com...
>
> "Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
> news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-HS9GddqVRhRE@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:28:31 UTC, "Angela" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been
>>> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
>>> switch
>>> and activating it
>>
>> And who do you think paid the builders to put that line in?   BT.
>>
>
> Not sure what your point is.  My current house was wired for a burglar by 
> one company with the expectation that people would get them to put in the 
> alarm but when asked to quote they were twice the price of others so only 
> the lazy people who couldn't be bothered to get quotes used the same 
> company and paid dearly for it.  What I am asking is who can activate the 
> line, not who put it in.
>
Why was your house wired for a burglar?
Was it to allow him to get in easier?


-- 
Eric

"Tony Dragon"  wrote in message 
news:zOWdnf2xUe7XStzVnZ2dnUVZ8v3inZ2d@bt.com...
> Angela wrote:
>> "Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
>> news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-HS9GddqVRhRE@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
>>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:28:31 UTC, "Angela" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am moving into a brand new house where the telephone line has been
>>>> installed, but BT want to charge £124 for effectively just flicking a 
>>>> switch
>>>> and activating it
>>> And who do you think paid the builders to put that line in?   BT.
>>>
>>
>> Not sure what your point is.  My current house was wired for a burglar by 
>> one company with the expectation that people would get them to put in the 
>> alarm but when asked to quote they were twice the price of others so only 
>> the lazy people who couldn't be bothered to get quotes used the same 
>> company and paid dearly for it.  What I am asking is who can activate the 
>> line, not who put it in.
>
> Any company that wants to set itself up can contract with you to activate 
> the line, but few do, I wonder what the reason could be?

The same reason new entrants to any market target incumbent customers.  It 
is far easier to poach someone else's customers than gain completely new 
ones.

tim

On Sat, 31 May 2008 22:42:49 +0100, Peter Crosland passed an empty day by
writing:

>>> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month
>>> contract
>>> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.  So again, who else
>>> can activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the
>>> Post office
>>> say that they can actually arrange for line activation.
>>
>> No one can.
> 
> 
> Complete rubbish! The are numerous companies that will arrange it for
> you. They will sub-contract the work to BT/Openreach.
> 
> Peter Crosland

Please qualify that with a list of suppliers who provide service where 
either no physical BT line is present or TOS BT line is in place. Thanks.

In article <48427033$0$2492$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>,
Klunk   wrote:
>On Sat, 31 May 2008 22:42:49 +0100, Peter Crosland passed an empty day by
>writing:
>
>>>> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month
>>>> contract
>>>> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.  So again, who else
>>>> can activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the
>>>> Post office
>>>> say that they can actually arrange for line activation.
>>>
>>> No one can.
>> 
>> 
>> Complete rubbish! The are numerous companies that will arrange it for
>> you. They will sub-contract the work to BT/Openreach.
>> 
>> Peter Crosland
>
>Please qualify that with a list of suppliers who provide service where 
>either no physical BT line is present or TOS BT line is in place. Thanks.

There's nothing magical or special about this these days. A lot of
companies can become resellers of BT wholesale products, and provisioning
an analogue line is just one of those products. The physical work is
carried out through BT OpenReach who maintain the infrastructure (as
far as I'm aware).

As a reseller of a company (EntaCall/EntaNet) who themselves resel
BT wholesale products, I've arranged the installation of new analogue
telephone lines into premises that didn't previously have BT copper,
or have deactivated lines left over from a previous occupier. So I'm one
stage removed from the real nuts & bolts of it all, but it "just works"
as far as I'm concerend. It's not really cheaper than going directly
via BT though, but for me and my clients, I'm providing then with a
"one stop shop" for telephony, ADSL, Internet connectivity, VoIP,
etc. which is convenient for some.

Gordon

It's Me wrote:
>> BT are offering to install new lines for £29.99 until the end of June 
>> 2008 - as long as you agree to an 18 month contract with them.
>>
>> http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/public/current/Notice08_boo/SNL21-08.pdf
>>
> 
> I would add, any telcome provider can get Openreach to install/activate a 
> line.
> 
> But getting them to do it is another matter.
> 
> Try these:
> 
> Madasafish - £115
> 
> PlusNet - £105
> 
> Bulldog - £99
> 
> 
> With Madasafish and PlusNet you are not tied into a 12 month contract for 
> phone - just need to give 1 months notice.
> 
> 
> 
Not sure Bulldog do it anymore, if you are a new customer the site sends 
you to Tiscali!!

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:31:42 +0100, ACDeag passed an empty day by writing:

> It's Me wrote:
>>> BT are offering to install new lines for £29.99 until the end of June
>>> 2008 - as long as you agree to an 18 month contract with them.
>>>
>>> http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/public/current/Notice08_boo/
SNL21-08.pdf
>>>
>>>
>> I would add, any telcome provider can get Openreach to install/activate
>> a line.
>> 
>> But getting them to do it is another matter.
>> 
>> Try these:
>> 
>> Madasafish - £115
>> 
>> PlusNet - £105
>> 
>> Bulldog - £99
>> 
>> 
>> With Madasafish and PlusNet you are not tied into a 12 month contract
>> for phone - just need to give 1 months notice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Not sure Bulldog do it anymore, if you are a new customer the site sends
> you to Tiscali!!

And now the ones that will install the line, from scratch, on a non LLU 
exchange ?

On 01/06/2008 21:40, Klunk wrote:

> And now the ones that will install the line, from scratch, on a non LLU 
> exchange ? 

http://aaisp.net.uk/aa/aaisp/pstn.html

Provided you don't mind the line having ougoing calls barred, just for 
ADSL and inbound calls.

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:11:30 +0100, Andy Burns passed an empty day by
writing:

> On 01/06/2008 21:40, Klunk wrote:
> 
>> And now the ones that will install the line, from scratch, on a non LLU
>> exchange ?
> 
> http://aaisp.net.uk/aa/aaisp/pstn.html
> 
> Provided you don't mind the line having ougoing calls barred, just for
> ADSL and inbound calls.

Thanks, that made an interesting read. I did laugh at their take on 
things, and there prices were totally unattractive, but they do seem to 
offer the service. Wow!

On 31 May, 18:10, "R. Mark Clayton" 
wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> Your builder probably could have had NT Hell or whoever does it in your
> area, but they would have had to pay.  BT on the other hand literally paid> your builder and supplied all the materials (duct, faceplates, wire etc.).> Another supplier could always install their own wire, but it would cost a
> lost more than £125.  If any other supplier wants to use BT's wiring then
> they will have to pay BT.
>
> Next time you buy a new house get your solicitor / surveyor to ensure that> services are not just installed, but switched on.

Is there any obligation on the part of the house builder and/or the
seller to ensure that the phone line is actually up and running - I
can't think that there is. Indeed, how would they do this without
actually signing up to a 12 month contract with BT?

> Your builder probably could have had NT Hell or whoever does it in your
> area, but they would have had to pay.  BT on the other hand literally paid
> your builder and supplied all the materials (duct, faceplates, wire etc.).
> Another supplier could always install their own wire, but it would cost a
> lost more than £125.  If any other supplier wants to use BT's wiring then
> they will have to pay BT.
>
> Next time you buy a new house get your solicitor / surveyor to ensure that
> services are not just installed, but switched on.

Is there any obligation on the part of the house builder and/or the
seller to ensure that the phone line is actually up and running - I
can't think that there is. Indeed, how would they do this without
actually signing up to a 12 month contract with BT?

Of course not and it is simply not something that is normally done. Before 
anyone says what about the gas, water or electricity services these get paid 
for by the builder and simply get included in the house price. This is 
presumably because the costs of installing these services is much more 
expensive and the way the actual service supplier is chosen by the purchaser 
differs significantly from that for phone service.

Peter Crosland

On 2 Jun, 16:25, "Peter Crosland"  wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

> On 31 May, 18:10, "R. Mark Clayton" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Next time you buy a new house get your solicitor / surveyor to
> > > ensure that services are not just installed, but switched on.
>
> > Is there any obligation on the part of the house builder and/or the
> > seller to ensure that the phone line is actually up and running - I
> > can't think that there is. Indeed, how would they do this without
> > actually signing up to a 12 month contract with BT?
>
>
> Of course not and it is simply not something that is normally done. Before
> anyone says what about the gas, water or electricity services these get paid
> for by the builder and simply get included in the house price. This is
> presumably because the costs of installing these services is much more
> expensive and the way the actual service supplier is chosen by the purchaser
> differs significantly from that for phone service.
>

I thought so. Basically if you've got a new house you just need to
take the installation fee on the chin and pay up if you want a line.

On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:22:26 +0100, "Peter Crosland"
 wrote:

>>> > And my point is that BT paid for it up front, so your payment would be
>>> > for rather more than 'flicking a switch'. Whatever you pay will mostly
>>> > get back to BT anyway, for that reason.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month 
>>> contract
>>> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.
>>
>> That's how it works; helps BT to recoup a bit more of ther investment,
>> since the 'installation fee' covers easy and difficult cases.
>>
>>>  So again, who else can
>>> activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post 
>>> office
>>> say that they can actually arrange for line activation.
>>
>> By 'sites' I assume you mean 'companies'. That's basically the
>> reason...it's a BT line. You may be able to go with someone like
>> TalkTalk (heaven forbid), and they'll charge you in a similar manner to
>> BT, then pay BT.
>>
>> Some companies own their own exchange equipment, and others just
>> piggyback on BT's. Widen your search; it depends a lot on your exchange.
>>
>> (and decide if you really want Virgin or the Post Office; it's often
>> cheaper to use a BT line, pay higher rental, and have the total freedom
>> to route your calls via anyone instead of being locked into the line
>> provider).
>
>
>Not to mention that you get 24/7/365 automated fault reporting and in any 
>case the actual line rental is only a quid per month less than BT.

I can't speak for Virgin but the PO were absoletely useless.  I
wouldn't use them again if they paid me!

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On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:51:35 +0100, Mark passed an empty day by writing:

> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:22:26 +0100, "Peter Crosland" 
> wrote:
> 
>>>> > And my point is that BT paid for it up front, so your payment would
>>>> > be for rather more than 'flicking a switch'. Whatever you pay will
>>>> > mostly get back to BT anyway, for that reason.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> I don't doubt that, but why should I then be tied into a 12 month
>>>> contract
>>>> just for the priveledge at a higher line rental.
>>>
>>> That's how it works; helps BT to recoup a bit more of ther investment,
>>> since the 'installation fee' covers easy and difficult cases.
>>>
>>>>  So again, who else can
>>>> activate the line?  None of the other sites like Virgin or the Post
>>>> office
>>>> say that they can actually arrange for line activation.
>>>
>>> By 'sites' I assume you mean 'companies'. That's basically the
>>> reason...it's a BT line. You may be able to go with someone like
>>> TalkTalk (heaven forbid), and they'll charge you in a similar manner
>>> to BT, then pay BT.
>>>
>>> Some companies own their own exchange equipment, and others just
>>> piggyback on BT's. Widen your search; it depends a lot on your
>>> exchange.
>>>
>>> (and decide if you really want Virgin or the Post Office; it's often
>>> cheaper to use a BT line, pay higher rental, and have the total
>>> freedom to route your calls via anyone instead of being locked into
>>> the line provider).
>>
>>
>>Not to mention that you get 24/7/365 automated fault reporting and in
>>any case the actual line rental is only a quid per month less than BT.
> 
> I can't speak for Virgin but the PO were absoletely useless.  I wouldn't
> use them again if they paid me!

Do phone calls go missing for days or does your bandwidth get stolen in 
transit?