Hi,

I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there for 
less than 6 months.

I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month 
contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that I 
have got this correct?

If it is, I need to find a supplier who will let me cancel after 6 months, 
but I also need broadband internet (for the same timeframe) with reasonably 
unlimited downloads (so that I can download TV programs).

I used to use AAISP, which gave me what I needed on the Broadband front, but 
presumably, if I go with a supplier other than BT for my phone line, they 
are not obliged to let me choose an alternative supplier for broadband?  I 
have found a few phone suppliers (such as First Telecom) who will let me 
have a a phone line for 6 months, but then they insist on an 18 month 
contract for their broadband, which kind of negates the phone advantage.

Have I understood all this correctly?

And if I have can anyone point me in the direction of a company that 
*reliabily* provide what I need?

TIA

tim

On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:10:32 UTC, "tims next home" 
 wrote:

> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there for 
> less than 6 months.
> 
> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month 
> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that I 
> have got this correct?
> 
> If it is, I need to find a supplier who will let me cancel after 6 months, 
> but I also need broadband internet (for the same timeframe) with reasonably 
> unlimited downloads (so that I can download TV programs).
> 
> I used to use AAISP, which gave me what I needed on the Broadband front, but 
> presumably, if I go with a supplier other than BT for my phone line, they 
> are not obliged to let me choose an alternative supplier for broadband?  I 
> have found a few phone suppliers (such as First Telecom) who will let me 
> have a a phone line for 6 months, but then they insist on an 18 month 
> contract for their broadband, which kind of negates the phone advantage.
> 
> Have I understood all this correctly?
> 
> And if I have can anyone point me in the direction of a company that 
> *reliabily* provide what I need?

AAISP! They can provide  a no-min-term phone line for use with the ADSL.
Normally it's a no-calls line, but they also provide actual phone lines 
and they'll probably combine that for you.

-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

"Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-HgMczv2dgdt6@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:10:32 UTC, "tims next home"
>  wrote:
>
>> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there 
>> for
>> less than 6 months.
>>
>> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that 
>> I
>> have got this correct?
>>
>> If it is, I need to find a supplier who will let me cancel after 6 
>> months,
>> but I also need broadband internet (for the same timeframe) with 
>> reasonably
>> unlimited downloads (so that I can download TV programs).
>>
>> I used to use AAISP, which gave me what I needed on the Broadband front, 
>> but
>> presumably, if I go with a supplier other than BT for my phone line, they
>> are not obliged to let me choose an alternative supplier for broadband? 
>> I
>> have found a few phone suppliers (such as First Telecom) who will let me
>> have a a phone line for 6 months, but then they insist on an 18 month
>> contract for their broadband, which kind of negates the phone advantage.
>>
>> Have I understood all this correctly?
>>
>> And if I have can anyone point me in the direction of a company that
>> *reliabily* provide what I need?
>
> AAISP! They can provide  a no-min-term phone line for use with the ADSL.
> Normally it's a no-calls line, but they also provide actual phone lines
> and they'll probably combine that for you.

Oh,..... under he "for work" section (though it does say they can provide a 
residential line).

OG barred won't be a problem. I can use VoIP

Thanks

tim

"tims next home"  wrote in message
news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
> Hi,
> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there for
> less than 6 months.
> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that
> I have got this correct?
>
If you have 3 coverage in your area?
3 Mobile phone network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo modem
Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum (90quid)
add a broadband package to that, and you won't need a landline

Steve Terry

"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
news:g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net...
> "tims next home"  wrote in message
> news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Hi,
>> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there 
>> for
>> less than 6 months.
>> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that
>> I have got this correct?
>>
> If you have 3 coverage in your area?
> 3 Mobile phone network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo 
> modem
> Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum (90quid)
> add a broadband package to that, and you won't need a landline

Do you mean mobile broadband.

I looked at that this afternoon and the normal download limit is 3 Gig a 
month.  You don't get many TV progs downloaded within 3 Gig.

DT have an option with a 10 Gig limit, but at 44 GBP pm for a 12 month 
contract, it would be cheaper for me to take the BT line (with AAISP) and 
pay BT's 12 months subs.

Thanks anyway

tim

>
> Steve Terry
>
>
>

"tims next home"  wrote in message 
news:6ab9vvF35fg74U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
> news:g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net...
>> "tims next home"  wrote in message
>> news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Hi,
>>> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there 
>>> for
>>> less than 6 months.
>>> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>>> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm 
>>> that
>>> I have got this correct?
>>>
>> If you have 3 coverage in your area?
>> 3 Mobile phone network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo 
>> modem
>> Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum (90quid)
>> add a broadband package to that, and you won't need a landline
>
> Do you mean mobile broadband.
>
yep
>
> I looked at that this afternoon and the normal download limit is 3 Gig a 
> month.  You don't get many TV progs downloaded within 3 Gig.
>
> DT have an option with a 10 Gig limit, but at 44 GBP pm for a 12 month 
> contract, it would be cheaper for me to take the BT line (with AAISP) and 
> pay BT's 12 months subs.
> Thanks anyway
> tim
>
Ohhh... that much downloading!
I've heard it said O2 mobile broadband can be unlimited

So you want unlimited and only a 6 month contract
I'd be interested myself if anyone can come up with that

Steve Terry

In article , tims next home
 scribeth thus
>
>"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
>news:g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net...
>> "tims next home"  wrote in message
>> news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Hi,
>>> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there 
>>> for
>>> less than 6 months.
>>> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>>> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that
>>> I have got this correct?
>>>
>> If you have 3 coverage in your area?
>> 3 Mobile phone network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo 
>> modem
>> Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum (90quid)
>> add a broadband package to that, and you won't need a landline
>
>Do you mean mobile broadband.
>
>I looked at that this afternoon and the normal download limit is 3 Gig a 
>month.  You don't get many TV progs downloaded within 3 Gig.

And from what I've experienced of it you won't download that many in a
decent time frame. Not the fastest thing around even in good signal
areas;!..

>
>DT have an option with a 10 Gig limit, but at 44 GBP pm for a 12 month 
>contract, it would be cheaper for me to take the BT line (with AAISP) and 
>pay BT's 12 months subs.

Will you be taking it with you when you move if so its then just a
simple move and no real problem...

>
>Thanks anyway
>
>tim
>
>>
>> Steve Terry
>>
>>
>> 
>

-- 
Tony Sayer

In article <g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
 wrote:

> "tims next home"  wrote in
> message news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...

> > Hi, I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I
> > expect to be there for less than 6 months. I understand
> > that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
> > contractual term which historically they ignored. Can
> > anyone confirm that I have got this correct?

> If you have 3 coverage in your area? 3 Mobile phone
> network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo
> modem Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum
> (90quid) add a broadband package to that, and you won't
> need a landline

And horrendously expensive for anyone who might want to
phone him from their landline.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Holiday specialists for Germany, Alsace, Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, Czech Republic

On Sat, 31 May 2008 09:18:23 UTC, Russell Hafter News 
<see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> In article <g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
>  wrote:
> 
> > "tims next home"  wrote in
> > message news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
> 
> > > Hi, I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I
> > > expect to be there for less than 6 months. I understand
> > > that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
> > > contractual term which historically they ignored. Can
> > > anyone confirm that I have got this correct?
> 
> > If you have 3 coverage in your area? 3 Mobile phone
> > network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo
> > modem Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum
> > (90quid) add a broadband package to that, and you won't
> > need a landline
> 
> And horrendously expensive for anyone who might want to
> phone him from their landline.

Please clarify. Presumably it depends on the landline tariff/provider. 
Do BT charge extra for calling 3?

-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

In article
, Bob Eager
 wrote:

> > And horrendously expensive for anyone who might want to
> > phone him from their landline.

> Please clarify. Presumably it depends on the landline
> tariff/provider. Do BT charge extra for calling 3?

It costs me 13.5p a minute to call Orange, t-mobile,
Vodaphone, o2. To call 3 is 23.4p a minute during the day.

Even at weekends all mobiles are 6.5p a minute.

Prices from
http://www.thephone.coop/residential/telephone/callerplus.html

which are slightly less than BT

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Holiday specialists for Germany, Alsace, Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, Czech Republic

On Sat, 31 May 2008 09:45:38 UTC, Russell Hafter News 
<see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> , Bob Eager
>  wrote:
> 
> > > And horrendously expensive for anyone who might want to
> > > phone him from their landline.
> 
> > Please clarify. Presumably it depends on the landline
> > tariff/provider. Do BT charge extra for calling 3?
> 
> It costs me 13.5p a minute to call Orange, t-mobile,
> Vodaphone, o2. To call 3 is 23.4p a minute during the day.
> 
> Even at weekends all mobiles are 6.5p a minute.
> 
> Prices from
> http://www.thephone.coop/residential/telephone/callerplus.html
> 
> which are slightly less than BT

OK...although BT don't make it clear if they charge more for 3, at all.

Since I use 1899, which is significantly cheaper than those rates, I 
won't worry. Few other landlines ever call my mobile...!

-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
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> "tims next home"  wrote in message 
> news:6ab9vvF35fg74U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
>> news:g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> "tims next home"  wrote in message
>>> news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there 
>>>> for
>>>> less than 6 months.
>>>> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>>>> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm 
>>>> that
>>>> I have got this correct?
>>>>
>>> If you have 3 coverage in your area?
>>> 3 Mobile phone network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo 
>>> modem
>>> Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum (90quid)
>>> add a broadband package to that, and you won't need a landline
>>
>> Do you mean mobile broadband.
>>
> yep
>>
>> I looked at that this afternoon and the normal download limit is 3 Gig a 
>> month.  You don't get many TV progs downloaded within 3 Gig.
>>
>> DT have an option with a 10 Gig limit, but at 44 GBP pm for a 12 month 
>> contract, it would be cheaper for me to take the BT line (with AAISP) and 
>> pay BT's 12 months subs.
>> Thanks anyway
>> tim
>>
> Ohhh... that much downloading!
> I've heard it said O2 mobile broadband can be unlimited
>
> So you want unlimited and only a 6 month contract
> I'd be interested myself if anyone can come up with that

As I indicated before AAISP can do this - provided that you restrict your 
downloading to outside work hours.  For home use this is not an issue.

Though they do have a setup fee of 60 pounds and at 18.99 pm you can get 
cheaper.  But (one major outage aside) it is 100% reliable, which my 
sister's Broadband from Orange is not.  At zero pounds per month, she get's 
what she pays for.  Personally I would rather pay 20 GBP for something I can 
rely on

tim

In article , Bob Eager
 scribeth thus
>On Sat, 31 May 2008 09:18:23 UTC, Russell Hafter News 
><see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > "tims next home"  wrote in
>> > message news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>> 
>> > > Hi, I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I
>> > > expect to be there for less than 6 months. I understand
>> > > that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>> > > contractual term which historically they ignored. Can
>> > > anyone confirm that I have got this correct?
>> 
>> > If you have 3 coverage in your area? 3 Mobile phone
>> > network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo
>> > modem Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum
>> > (90quid) add a broadband package to that, and you won't
>> > need a landline
>> 
>> And horrendously expensive for anyone who might want to
>> phone him from their landline.
>
>Please clarify. Presumably it depends on the landline tariff/provider. 
>Do BT charge extra for calling 3?
>

Seems everyone does thats why I jacked in my "3" phone, 'tho their so
desperate to keep customers they offered it to me from 25 a month down
to 4.99 UKP a month so its kept as a reserve but as I had the landline
on divert to mobile, the costs were quite high.

Almost twice as much to call the 3 network..
-- 
Tony Sayer

"Russell Hafter News" <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote in message 
news:4fa806bd76see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid...
> In article <g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
>  wrote:
>
>> "tims next home"  wrote in
>> message news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> > Hi, I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I
>> > expect to be there for less than 6 months. I understand
>> > that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>> > contractual term which historically they ignored. Can
>> > anyone confirm that I have got this correct?
>
>> If you have 3 coverage in your area? 3 Mobile phone
>> network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo
>> modem Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum
>> (90quid) add a broadband package to that, and you won't
>> need a landline
>
> And horrendously expensive for anyone who might want to
> phone him from their landline.

I've been living out of a shoe box for the past three months and have only 
had a mobile for that time.  Companies (even utilities) seem happy to phone 
me on the mobile number and my friends phone me from their mobiles out of 
their 'inclusive' minutes.

The biggest problem is that some places (like the car hire shop this 
morning) want a land line number because they think that it gives them some 
extra security that I actually live where I say I do.  Of course, with proxy 
VoIP numbers available, a geographic land line number now means nothing of 
the sort.

tim

tony sayer  wrote:
> Seems everyone does thats why I jacked in my "3" phone, 'tho their so
> desperate to keep customers they offered it to me from 25 a month down
> to 4.99 UKP a month so its kept as a reserve but as I had the landline
> on divert to mobile, the costs were quite high.
> 
> Almost twice as much to call the 3 network..

Tip: Take a free O2 or Tesco SIM, register it, use up the free credit for a
bit (and 'give your number to your friends'), then ring up O2 or Tesco and
ask for a porting code.  Give the porting code to Three and you'll have a
number in O2's range (so will be charged from landlines as to O2) on a Three
SIM.

When BT charged a different rate for each mobile network O2 was the cheapest
and Three the most expensive.  There may not be any difference in porting a
Vodafone or Orange number to three if BT charge the same, but AFAIK O2 still
have the cheapest termination so is most likely to be the cheapest for your
callers.

If you have an old Three SIM on WePay you can even topup your phone at a
discount by this method.

Theo

In article <g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
 writes
>"tims next home"  wrote in message
>news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Hi,
>> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there for
>> less than 6 months.
>> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that
>> I have got this correct?
>>
>If you have 3 coverage in your area?
>3 Mobile phone network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo modem
>Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum (90quid)
>add a broadband package to that, and you won't need a landline
>
>
Yes.  "Three" have big adverts in our High Street "Broadband without
contract" so well worth investigating.
-- 
  Bill Borland

On Sat, 31 May 2008 19:17:15 +0100, Bill Borland
 wrote:

>In article <g1pqip$lct$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
> writes
>>"tims next home"  wrote in message
>>news:6ab1olF36vkbtU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Hi,
>>> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there for
>>> less than 6 months.
>>> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
>>> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that
>>> I have got this correct?
>>>
>>If you have 3 coverage in your area?
>>3 Mobile phone network are doing a talk and text 300 deal wth a turbo modem
>>Nokia 6120 for 15 quid a month for 6 months minimum (90quid)
>>add a broadband package to that, and you won't need a landline
>>
>>
>Yes.  "Three" have big adverts in our High Street "Broadband without
>contract" so well worth investigating.
But if I am reading it right you can only download 1gig a month, I
have a "3" mobile package had it 12 months now but don't think I would
touch this though .

In news:6acra1F3759tjU1@mid.individual.net,
tims next home  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: "Steve Terry"  wrote in message
: news:g1pscd$ooi$1@news.albasani.net...

[snip]

: > So you want unlimited and only a 6 month contract
: > I'd be interested myself if anyone can come up with that
:
: As I indicated before AAISP can do this - provided that you restrict
: your downloading to outside work hours.  For home use this is not an
: issue.

That all depends on what you call 'work hours' - not everybody works 9-5 
Mon-Fri.

Ivor

On 2008-05-31, Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> tony sayer  wrote:
>> Seems everyone does thats why I jacked in my "3" phone, 'tho their so
>> desperate to keep customers they offered it to me from 25 a month down
>> to 4.99 UKP a month so its kept as a reserve but as I had the landline
>> on divert to mobile, the costs were quite high.
>> 
>> Almost twice as much to call the 3 network..
>
> Tip: Take a free O2 or Tesco SIM, register it, use up the free credit for a
> bit (and 'give your number to your friends'), then ring up O2 or Tesco and
> ask for a porting code.  Give the porting code to Three and you'll have a
> number in O2's range (so will be charged from landlines as to O2) on a Three
> SIM.
>
> When BT charged a different rate for each mobile network O2 was the cheapest
> and Three the most expensive.  There may not be any difference in porting a
> Vodafone or Orange number to three if BT charge the same, but AFAIK O2 still
> have the cheapest termination so is most likely to be the cheapest for your
> callers.

I don't know about that, it may depend.  The only operator I know which
breaks out different UK mobile number ranges in detail in their price list
is this US VoIP discounter

    http://www.voicestick.com/Rates/International.aspx

(type "United Kingdom" in the search box, prices are US$) and their
cheapest isn't O2.  Their cheapest are T-Mobile numbers starting with
79xx, followed by Orange.  Their most expensive are also T-Mobile numbers,
those starting with 77xx and 78xx.

I don't know why those prices are like that (perhaps prices charged
for overseas long distance termination are not the same as domestic
termination tariffs?), but I'd like to know where 79xx T-Mobile numbers
come from since I use that VoIP company for forwarding a US DID number.
I have a T-Mobile prepaid SIM, but its number is a worst case 78xx.  Not
knowing where to get a T-Mobile number in the right range I've been
considering getting an Orange SIM for a number to port to Three.

Dennis Ferguson

On 30 May, 20:10, "tims next home"  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just moved into a new (rented) apartment and I expect to be there for> less than 6 months.
>
> I understand that BT have recently started to enforce their 12 month
> contractual term which historically they ignored. Can anyone confirm that I
> have got this correct?
>
> If it is, I need to find a supplier who will let me cancel after 6 months,> but I also need broadband internet (for the same timeframe) with reasonably
> unlimited downloads (so that I can download TV programs).
>
> I used to use AAISP, which gave me what I needed on the Broadband front, but
> presumably, if I go with a supplier other than BT for my phone line, they
> are not obliged to let me choose an alternative supplier for broadband?  I
> have found a few phone suppliers (such as First Telecom) who will let me
> have a a phone line for 6 months, but then they insist on an 18 month
> contract for their broadband, which kind of negates the phone advantage.
>
> Have I understood all this correctly?
>
> And if I have can anyone point me in the direction of a company that
> *reliabily* provide what I need?
>
> TIA
>
> tim

Green Telecom at www.greentelecom.co.uk will supply your phone line on
a three month minimum term and you will be free to add on whichever
broadband supplier you prefer to the line.

On 1 Jun, 01:40, Dennis Ferguson  wrote:
>
> I don't know about that, it may depend.  The only operator I know which
> breaks out different UK mobile number ranges in detail in their price list> is this US VoIP discounter
>
>    http://www.voicestick.com/Rates/International.aspx
>
> (type "United Kingdom" in the search box, prices are US$) and their
> cheapest isn't O2.  Their cheapest are T-Mobile numbers starting with
> 79xx, followed by Orange.  Their most expensive are also T-Mobile numbers,
> those starting with 77xx and 78xx.
>
> I don't know why those prices are like that (perhaps prices charged
> for overseas long distance termination are not the same as domestic
> termination tariffs?), but I'd like to know where 79xx T-Mobile numbers
> come from since I use that VoIP company for forwarding a US DID number.
> I have a T-Mobile prepaid SIM, but its number is a worst case 78xx.  Not> knowing where to get a T-Mobile number in the right range I've been
> considering getting an Orange SIM for a number to port to Three.
>

I don't think it's because of network. Some prefixes aren't defined to
a network and just have a catch-all default rate, including some T-
mobile 079xx

Messing around just now, I've found there are in fact 3 rates for T-
mobile - roughly 9 20 and 30 cents a minute, with only the first two
named as such

You might try two approaches: contact Voicestick and ask them to
define certain prefixes in their dialplan; they never replied to me
about this

Or get a different number

I've just rummaged  through some Virgin and T-mobile SIMs in the
drawer and found a couple that are at Voicestick's cheap rate. I'd
have to check with T-mobile if they are still within shelf-life, and
then if a PAC can be obtained without topping up (if you want to
switch to 3).

Send me a message - this email address collects spam, but Google
filter it very well, and I look in there occasionally if I'm expecting
a real message

Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> It costs me 13.5p a minute to call Orange, t-mobile,
> Vodaphone, o2. To call 3 is 23.4p a minute during the day.

> Even at weekends all mobiles are 6.5p a minute.

Time to see whether you can use an indirect provider such as the
Finarea/Betamax lot. 1899 and 18189 are considerably cheaper than this
at the moment.

Chris