Hi there
Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up 
internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to have 
ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their light-user 
status.
Thanks

> Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up 
> internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to 
> have ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their light-user 
> status.


The light user scheme does not prohibit calls to an ISP. You are not allowed 
broadband on light user tariff.

Peter Crosland

colourqueen, in article <g0r2ka$9al$1@news.datemas.de>, 
says...
>Hi there
>Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up 
>internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to have 
>ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their light-user 
>status.
>Thanks 

Yes, you can do this.  However, based on the experience I had 
at my MIL's house, you can quite quickly use up the Light User 
minutes, which are at the BT *Standard* call rate, and so 
reduce the rental discount.  Once that has gone, you don't 
switch to the call cost discounts non-LUS users are familiar 
with.

Study the T&Cs of the light user scheme charging before you 
make extensive use of a modem-based service that is charged by 
the minute...

-- 
JohnW.
Replace the obvious with co.uk in 2 places to mail me.

"JohnW" <invalid@earlsway.invalid> wrote in message 
news:MPG.229b5861ed6fec3998989d@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> colourqueen, in article <g0r2ka$9al$1@news.datemas.de>,
> says...
>>Hi there
>>Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up
>>internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to 
>>have
>>ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their light-user
>>status.
>>Thanks
>
> Yes, you can do this.  However, based on the experience I had
> at my MIL's house, you can quite quickly use up the Light User
> minutes, which are at the BT *Standard* call rate, and so
> reduce the rental discount.  Once that has gone, you don't
> switch to the call cost discounts non-LUS users are familiar
> with.
>
> Study the T&Cs of the light user scheme charging before you
> make extensive use of a modem-based service that is charged by
> the minute...
>
> -- 
> JohnW.
> Replace the obvious with co.uk in 2 places to mail me.

Thanks - that's what I suspected but hadn't even thought about the problem 
of lack of discounted minutes...
Out of interest, is there any other solution to ad hoc internet access?

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
colourqueen   wrote:

>
> Thanks - that's what I suspected but hadn't even thought about the
> problem of lack of discounted minutes...
> Out of interest, is there any other solution to ad hoc internet
> access?

Yes - make ad hoc visits to the local Library!
-- 
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colourqueen, in article <g0rqod$vqk$1
@registered.motzarella.org>, says...
>
>Out of interest, is there any other solution to ad hoc internet access? 

Would something like Three Broadband PAYG or Pay monthly work 
for you, especially if you are in their "Turbo" area?  See:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2dqwto. 

AFAICS, it looks like they offer a "free" USB wireless modem 
for up to 3GB/month on a 12-month contract, for £15/month. 
Alternativly, £10 for 1GB/month on an 18-month contract or try 
PAYG, buying the modem for £50, but I'm not sure if this is 
stand-alone, working without a Three phone service.  Perhaps 
someone else has experience of this service?

-- 
JohnW.
Replace the obvious with co.uk in 2 places to mail me.

On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:10:51 UTC, "colourqueen"  
wrote:

> "JohnW" <invalid@earlsway.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:MPG.229b5861ed6fec3998989d@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> > colourqueen, in article <g0r2ka$9al$1@news.datemas.de>,
> > says...
> >>Hi there
> >>Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up
> >>internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to 
> >>have
> >>ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their light-user
> >>status.
> >>Thanks
> >
> > Yes, you can do this.  However, based on the experience I had
> > at my MIL's house, you can quite quickly use up the Light User
> > minutes, which are at the BT *Standard* call rate, and so
> > reduce the rental discount.  Once that has gone, you don't
> > switch to the call cost discounts non-LUS users are familiar
> > with.

My elderly MIL pays a fixed monthly dialup fee for some specified number
of 'free' dialup minutes. Not quite ad hoc, but it works OK with her 
LUS.
-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

"colourqueen"  wrote in message 
news:g0r2ka$9al$1@news.datemas.de...
> Hi there
> Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up 
> internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to 
> have ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their light-user 
> status.
> Thanks
They would be better off with 3 PAYG mobile internet,
for 5 quid a month they can have around 400 kbps d/l
compared to around 50 kbps on dial up.

Either use a 3g modem or a Smartphone with a USB lead.
I use an unlocked Nokia 6630 with USB lead and a 3 PAYT sim
Beats any dial up and can be use mobile.

A used 6630 can be bought for under 40 quid,
but i would go for something like a new Nokia 6210 from 3
for 99 quid as it has a turbo modem which can run faster on 3.5g cells
which the 3G networks are now installing

If they don't have 3 network coverage, T Mobile and Vodafone
also offer similar deals but cost more.

Steve Terry

In article , JohnW
<invalid@earlsway.invalid> scribeth thus
>colourqueen, in article <g0rqod$vqk$1
>@registered.motzarella.org>, says...
>>
>>Out of interest, is there any other solution to ad hoc internet access? 
>
>Would something like Three Broadband PAYG or Pay monthly work 
>for you, especially if you are in their "Turbo" area?  See:
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/2dqwto. 
>
>AFAICS, it looks like they offer a "free" USB wireless modem 
>for up to 3GB/month on a 12-month contract, for £15/month. 
>Alternativly, £10 for 1GB/month on an 18-month contract or try 
>PAYG, buying the modem for £50, but I'm not sure if this is 
>stand-alone, working without a Three phone service.  Perhaps 
>someone else has experience of this service?
>

Yes.. don't believe all the speed hype;!...

Other then that its a good answer to people who want BB but don't want
to pay for a Phone line..
-- 
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer"  wrote in message 
news:Ik2xnWAQyaMIFwY+@bancom.co.uk...
> In article , JohnW
> <invalid@earlsway.invalid> scribeth thus
>>colourqueen, in article <g0rqod$vqk$1
>>@registered.motzarella.org>, says...
>>>
>>>Out of interest, is there any other solution to ad hoc internet access?
>>
>>Would something like Three Broadband PAYG or Pay monthly work
>>for you, especially if you are in their "Turbo" area?  See:
>>http://preview.tinyurl.com/2dqwto.
>>
>>AFAICS, it looks like they offer a "free" USB wireless modem
>>for up to 3GB/month on a 12-month contract, for £15/month.
>>Alternativly, £10 for 1GB/month on an 18-month contract or try
>>PAYG, buying the modem for £50, but I'm not sure if this is
>>stand-alone, working without a Three phone service.  Perhaps
>>someone else has experience of this service?
>
> Yes.. don't believe all the speed hype;!...
>
But the most basic package of 3 PAYG internet, is 4 times faster than dial 
up,
for around the same sort of price as dial up packages,
and Turbo broadband could be up to 16 times faster.
>
> Other then that its a good answer to people who want BB but don't want
> to pay for a Phone line..
> Tony Sayer
>
and might like to take their laptops on the move, not being dependent on 
finding WiFi

Steve Terry

Steve Terry  wrote:

> "colourqueen"  wrote in message 
> news:g0r2ka$9al$1@news.datemas.de...
> > Hi there
> > Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up
> > internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to
> > have ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their light-user
> > status.
> > Thanks
> They would be better off with 3 PAYG mobile internet,
> for 5 quid a month they can have around 400 kbps d/l
> compared to around 50 kbps on dial up.
> 
The first option I would look at is to see whether any neighbours have
broadband (assuming the person doesn't live in a sparsely populated
area), and whether any would be willing to share their WiFi connection
with the person making a contribution to the monthly cost. Even if the
computer doesn't have WiFi, the old B wireless bridges and cards cost
next to nothing on eBay. I have a relative who lives in a sheltered
housing community, and they have shared broadband using a WiFi
distribution network.

The 3G modems from T-Mobile, 3, etc are pretty good, but on the contract
one is normally tied into an 18 month or 24 month contract. The PAYG 3G
schemes currently available don't appear to be good value for money
because you can't just purchase a particular amount of data.

Compared to the options above, dial up is just very inconvenient and it
is slow to connect, the speed is very slow and it ties up the phone
line.

"Mark Ingle"  wrote in message 
news:1ih7kzb.1y1mz4q7r7gxdN%markinglenospam@nospamfastmail.fm...
> Steve Terry  wrote:
>
>> "colourqueen"  wrote in message
>> news:g0r2ka$9al$1@news.datemas.de...
>> > Hi there
>> > Can anyone advise me if/how it would be possible to set up a dial-up
>> > internet access for someone who is on a light user scheme? They want to
>> > have ad hoc access to the internet without fear of losing their 
>> > light-user
>> > status.
>> > Thanks
>> They would be better off with 3 PAYG mobile internet,
>> for 5 quid a month they can have around 400 kbps d/l
>> compared to around 50 kbps on dial up.
>>
> The first option I would look at is to see whether any neighbours have
> broadband (assuming the person doesn't live in a sparsely populated
> area), and whether any would be willing to share their WiFi connection
> with the person making a contribution to the monthly cost. Even if the
> computer doesn't have WiFi, the old B wireless bridges and cards cost
> next to nothing on eBay. I have a relative who lives in a sheltered
> housing community, and they have shared broadband using a WiFi
> distribution network.
>
> The 3G modems from T-Mobile, 3, etc are pretty good, but on the contract
> one is normally tied into an 18 month or 24 month contract. The PAYG 3G
> schemes currently available don't appear to be good value for money
> because you can't just purchase a particular amount of data.
>
> Compared to the options above, dial up is just very inconvenient and it
> is slow to connect, the speed is very slow and it ties up the phone
> line.
>
Thanks for all the suggestions. You are right about slow speeds dialling up. 
I think I will go and see the lady concerned and see if there are any 
wireless networks detectable nearby and take it from there. I suspect there 
will be and she is fairly friendly with neighbours so hopefully that will be 
a solution.

JohnW <invalid@earlsway.invalid> wrote 

> Yes, you can do this.  However, based on the experience I had 
> at my MIL's house, you can quite quickly use up the Light User 
> minutes, which are at the BT *Standard* call rate, and so 
> reduce the rental discount.  Once that has gone, you don't 
> switch to the call cost discounts non-LUS users are familiar 
> with.
 
> Study the T&Cs of the light user scheme charging before you 
> make extensive use of a modem-based service that is charged by 
> the minute...

Yes, because of the loss of discount with increased usage the marginal
cost of what is nominally say 1p/min PAYG is an extra 2.1p/min on the
total bill

I'm on the LUS but only use PAYG for my (ex-Freeserve) secondary
dialup.
My main dialup usage is charged (Bank DD) by the ISP at a flat rate for
50 hours a month plus 1p/min for any excess so that problem is avoided.
This is OK by the LUS T&Cs.

There is free software that will automatically log usage, beep on long
connect times and so forth but I would also suggest you work out and
test the profile changes needed to change to a flat rate dialup while
not requiring any change to your MIL's email address.

-- 
Mike D

Steve Terry  wrote:
> They would be better off with 3 PAYG mobile internet,
> for 5 quid a month they can have around 400 kbps d/l
> compared to around 50 kbps on dial up.

That's 'up to' 384kbps.  Whilst I sometimes get 20-30Kbyte/s on big
downloads it usually more like 6-15Kbytes/s for web browsing.  It depends
very much on what signal you have - I'm at full strength 3G according to my
phone, but elsewhere in the house it rapidly drops back to 2G and the
connection is terrible.  I'm in a village - perhaps in a city with more
cells (there's just one 3G cell here) it would be better.  When it works
it's better than dialup, when it doesn't it's useless.

3 PAYG mobile internet is a tenner a month if you're using if from a PC. 
There may be some 24 month contract deals for a fiver a month, but check
your reception before you sign up.

I'd recommend a bluetooth phone rather than a USB dongle, as you can put the
phone wherever gets best 3G signal and connect to it by bluetooth from
wherever your computer is (if the bluetooth has enough range).  Or else put
the USB dongle on a long USB extension lead.

Anyway, I thought you weren't allowed a mobile phone if you were on LUS?  Or
have they changed that?

Theo

"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message 
news:+iE*Imlds@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> Steve Terry  wrote:
>
> I'd recommend a bluetooth phone rather than a USB dongle, as you can put 
> the
> phone wherever gets best 3G signal and connect to it by bluetooth from
> wherever your computer is (if the bluetooth has enough range).  Or else 
> put
> the USB dongle on a long USB extension lead.
>
I used to use my 6630 connected to my laptop by bluetooth,
but i found i got much better downloads with the USB lead
>
> Anyway, I thought you weren't allowed a mobile phone if you were on LUS?
> Or have they changed that?
> Theo
>
Only if you tell them

Steve Terry
.

>
> Either use a 3g modem or a Smartphone with a USB lead.
> I use an unlocked Nokia 6630 with USB lead and a 3 PAYT sim
> Beats any dial up and can be use mobile.
>
> A used 6630 can be bought for under 40 quid,

I have a Sony Erricson K850i on O2 contract with a Data Bolt on for £7.50 a 
month.

I get around 500kbps downstream and have never managed to hit any limit / 
get any penalty charges yet...

An option if the person in question has a suitable mobile and 
contract/pre-pay option.


HTH

Tom