I have only just noticed that BT now charge by the minute for the first 
hour in the evenings, whereas before it was just the connection charge 
for the first hour. I went back to the letter they sent me and it didn't 
make this clear at all. It just said I was getting free weekend calls, 
and that they were changing the name of the calling plan. The rest must 
be hidden in the small print somewhere. I feel conned by this. Why must 
I sign a 12 month contract to get the same price plan I have had already 
for 3 years? Does anyone else think this was misleading? I have already 
set about transferring to another provider.

"T. Sparrow"  wrote in message 
news:JL6dnWLdXNDtf7nVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
>I have only just noticed that BT now charge by the minute for the first 
>hour in the evenings, whereas before it was just the connection charge 
>for the first hour. I went back to the letter they sent me and it 
>didn't make this clear at all. It just said I was getting free weekend 
>calls, and that they were changing the name of the calling plan. The 
>rest must be hidden in the small print somewhere. I feel conned by 
>this. Why must I sign a 12 month contract to get the same price plan I 
>have had already for 3 years? Does anyone else think this was 
>misleading? I have already set about transferring to another provider.



You don't have to sign up to a contract. When the new prices came in 
(and there was <plenty> of comment about it on this NG) I swapped to 
Option 2 as was but chose to pay. It costs me an extra £2.70 a month but 
all evening and weekend landline calls are free for the first hour. If 
you want this option without charge then you must sign up to a 
contract - I decided that to pay was the better option for us.



-- 
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

"Woody"  wrote in message 
news:5zcVj.98842$SY5.47392@newsfe13.ams2...
> "T. Sparrow"  wrote in message 
> news:JL6dnWLdXNDtf7nVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
>>I have only just noticed that BT now charge by the minute for the 
>>first hour in the evenings, whereas before it was just the connection 
>>charge for the first hour. I went back to the letter they sent me and 
>>it didn't make this clear at all. It just said I was getting free 
>>weekend calls, and that they were changing the name of the calling 
>>plan. The rest must be hidden in the small print somewhere. I feel 
>>conned by this. Why must I sign a 12 month contract to get the same 
>>price plan I have had already for 3 years? Does anyone else think this 
>>was misleading? I have already set about transferring to another 
>>provider.
>
>
>
> You don't have to sign up to a contract. When the new prices came in 
> (and there was <plenty> of comment about it on this NG) I swapped to 
> Option 2 as was but chose to pay. It costs me an extra £2.70 a month 
> but all evening and weekend landline calls are free for the first 
> hour. If you want this option without charge then you must sign up to 
> a contract - I decided that to pay was the better option for us.
>
>
>

I would add also that if you are thinking of changing provider look very 
closely at theor charges - you will find most not much different.

Try 18185 instead - it has save us loads of money with the need to make 
daytimes calls. www.18185.co.uk


-- 
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

"T. Sparrow"  wrote in message 
news:JL6dnWLdXNDtf7nVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
>I have only just noticed that BT now charge by the minute for the first 
>hour in the evenings, whereas before it was just the connection charge for 
>the first hour. I went back to the letter they sent me and it didn't make 
>this clear at all. It just said I was getting free weekend calls, and that 
>they were changing the name of the calling plan. The rest must be hidden in 
>the small print somewhere. I feel conned by this. Why must I sign a 12 
>month contract to get the same price plan I have had already for 3 years? 
>Does anyone else think this was misleading? I have already set about 
>transferring to another provider.

To me it was blackmail, "pay 90p an hour for evening calls if you don't sign 
up for a year"
A friend at high level with a mobile company tells me that BT are desperate 
to get people to sign as it is likely a number of mobile companies will be 
offering some very good deals later this year, and already many low users 
are no longer bothering with a fixed line at all.
According to the Daily Telegraph, complaints have been made to OFCOM who are 
investigating, but I can't find any info on their site. Incidentally OFCOM 
seems to be an organisation without an e-mail address!

Retired

Woody wrote:
> 
> You don't have to sign up to a contract. When the new prices came in 
> (and there was <plenty> of comment about it on this NG) I swapped to 
> Option 2 as was but chose to pay. It costs me an extra £2.70 a month but 
> all evening and weekend landline calls are free for the first hour. If 
> you want this option without charge then you must sign up to a 
> contract - I decided that to pay was the better option for us.
> 

I considered paying the extra. My main reason for leaving BT is their 
sneaky underhand way of introducing this. I don't make many calls, but 
when I do they can be long, up to an hour because that's how much I 
thought was getting included in the connection charge. I get a lot of 
stuff through the post and I don't want to have to read every page of 
small print to find the bit where it says I am going to pay 10 times more.

Unfortunately I wasn't reading the newsgroup at the time.

The 18185 thing looks quite useful. What's the call sound quality like? 
is it over the internet?

T. Sparrow wrote:
> Woody wrote:
>>
>> You don't have to sign up to a contract. When the new prices came in
>> (and there was <plenty> of comment about it on this NG) I swapped to
>> Option 2 as was but chose to pay. It costs me an extra £2.70 a month
>> but all evening and weekend landline calls are free for the first
>> hour. If you want this option without charge then you must sign up
>> to a contract - I decided that to pay was the better option for us.
>>
>
> I considered paying the extra. My main reason for leaving BT is their
> sneaky underhand way of introducing this. I don't make many calls, but
> when I do they can be long, up to an hour because that's how much I
> thought was getting included in the connection charge. I get a lot of
> stuff through the post and I don't want to have to read every page of
> small print to find the bit where it says I am going to pay 10 times
> more.
> Unfortunately I wasn't reading the newsgroup at the time.
>
> The 18185 thing looks quite useful. What's the call sound quality
> like? is it over the internet?

Sound quality is great and no, it's not over the internet. Have a look here 
for an even better idea: 
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=1598074&postcount=4

John

John wrote:
> T. Sparrow wrote:
>> Woody wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't have to sign up to a contract. When the new prices came in
>>> (and there was <plenty> of comment about it on this NG) I swapped to
>>> Option 2 as was but chose to pay. It costs me an extra £2.70 a month
>>> but all evening and weekend landline calls are free for the first
>>> hour. If you want this option without charge then you must sign up
>>> to a contract - I decided that to pay was the better option for us.
>>>
>>
>> I considered paying the extra. My main reason for leaving BT is their
>> sneaky underhand way of introducing this. I don't make many calls,
>> but when I do they can be long, up to an hour because that's how
>> much I thought was getting included in the connection charge. I get
>> a lot of stuff through the post and I don't want to have to read
>> every page of small print to find the bit where it says I am going
>> to pay 10 times more.
>> Unfortunately I wasn't reading the newsgroup at the time.
>>
>> The 18185 thing looks quite useful. What's the call sound quality
>> like? is it over the internet?
>
> Sound quality is great and no, it's not over the internet. Have a
> look here for an even better idea:
> http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=1598074&postcount=4
>
> John

I should add that you should stay with BT, don't move away. Carrier 
PreSelect is where you still pay line rental to BT but a different company 
handles your calls. BT are the only company who *have* to allow you to do 
this, *by law*. If you moved to, say, TalkTalk for both line rental and 
calls, they may not allow you to use a different carrier, or even if they do 
now, it could be stopped at any time.

John

"Retired"  wrote in message
news:t8adnXQbquwlwbjVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>
> "T. Sparrow"  wrote in message
> news:JL6dnWLdXNDtf7nVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> >I have only just noticed that BT now charge by the minute for the
first
> >hour in the evenings, whereas before it was just the connection
charge for
> >the first hour. I went back to the letter they sent me and it
didn't make
> >this clear at all. It just said I was getting free weekend calls,
and that
> >they were changing the name of the calling plan. The rest must be
hidden in
> >the small print somewhere. I feel conned by this. Why must I sign a
12
> >month contract to get the same price plan I have had already for 3
years?
> >Does anyone else think this was misleading? I have already set
about
> >transferring to another provider.
>
> To me it was blackmail, "pay 90p an hour for evening calls if you
don't sign
> up for a year"
> A friend at high level with a mobile company tells me that BT are
desperate
> to get people to sign as it is likely a number of mobile companies
will be
> offering some very good deals later this year,

I doubt that. They'll probably do their usual of offering deals which
are dressed up to look good (eg a vast amount of "inclusive minutes"
for not very much), but continue to rip people off through termination
charges and sky high charges for "non inclusive" minutes like non
geographic (where the costs from a mobile are often around 10 times
the cost of using BT). And mobile deals are often on an 18 month
contract!

In any case 90p an hour is chicken feed compared to the cost if the
person you are calling has ditched their landline.....

> and already many low users
> are no longer bothering with a fixed line at all.

Only the selfish ones, ie those who don't consider others' costs. The
wife of a friend of mine had a best friend who did this. They ended up
with a truely massive phone bill because she now was forced to call
her friend on her mobile, and she didn't realise what a rip-off this
was (it was 3 to make things worse, who had the highest termination
charges). The cost had increased from something like 5p an hour on a
crystal clear line to £8 an hour on a crackly mobile line!!

--
Andy

"John" <replyingroup@notemail> wrote in message
news:sOqdnal5ma7W9bjVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> Have a look here
> for an even better idea:
>
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=1598074&postcount=4

But always take these things with a pinch of salt, the suggested
cheapest way may not be correct, for instance it recommends using
18185 for 056 all the time, why when it's free on BT at the weekends?
And if your main contacts use TalkTalk you get free calls to them
anytime - there are a lot of TT users as they've taken over loads of
other telcos like Tele2 and Onetel.

Also things like F&F (and TT's equivalent), if you use a dial-up ISP
on 0845 I don't think anyone can beat the BT "best friend" rate.

In any case you might be better just looking at your phone bill and
see the types of calls that are costing the most and look at the best
way of reducing the costs of those, rather than signing up with
several telcos and dealing the resulting several bills etc. Some of
the savings are fairly trivial.

--
Andy

Andy Pandy wrote:
> "John" <replyingroup@notemail> wrote in message
> news:sOqdnal5ma7W9bjVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Have a look here
>> for an even better idea:
>>
> http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=1598074&postcount=4
>
> But always take these things with a pinch of salt, the suggested
> cheapest way may not be correct, for instance it recommends using
> 18185 for 056 all the time, why when it's free on BT at the weekends?
> And if your main contacts use TalkTalk you get free calls to them
> anytime - there are a lot of TT users as they've taken over loads of
> other telcos like Tele2 and Onetel.
>
> Also things like F&F (and TT's equivalent), if you use a dial-up ISP
> on 0845 I don't think anyone can beat the BT "best friend" rate.
>
> In any case you might be better just looking at your phone bill and
> see the types of calls that are costing the most and look at the best
> way of reducing the costs of those, rather than signing up with
> several telcos and dealing the resulting several bills etc. Some of
> the savings are fairly trivial.

Yes, but, (a) Heinz is darn near evangelical in finding the cheapest way of 
doing things telephone-wise, and adjusts the "Heinz Program" when anything 
changes and maybe one carrier becomes cheaper than another. Plus, the 
information is on moneysavingexpert.com, a website set up to help people 
save money, so I think the info contained therein can be relied upon, and 
(b) Heinz himself says (copied and pasted from that article):

*N.B. I do not imply that the above are always the cheapest options (e.g. 
the MSE UK Callchecker sometimes shows providers that offer 1p/minute 
cheaper weekday rates to 0870 numbers and, from time to time, providers 
offering cheaper rates than 18185 to call mobiles pop up) but, as sensible 
compromises between money-saving and ease of use, I believe they'll suit 
most people.*

So again, I reckon that if someone is serious about cutting telephone costs, 
rather than saying "take it with a pinch of salt", they could do far worse 
than to get themselves an Orchid Dialler and follow the Heinz Program.

I know it saved, and continues to save, us a fortune.

John

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
T. Sparrow   wrote:

> I feel
> conned by this. Why must I sign a 12 month contract to get the same
> price plan I have had already for 3 years? Does anyone else think
> this was misleading? I have already set about transferring to another
> provider.

I'm no apologist for BT but, to be fair to them, they did write to everyone 
to point out the (then) forthcoming changes to the charging structure.

If you sign the 12 month contract it's not *quite* the same plan as you had 
before because evening calls are now *free* up to an hour rather than 4.5p 
or whatever. Also - whether or not you sign up for a year - you are now 
getting *free* weekend calls.

I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from BT - 
and/or lurk in this NG - 'cos they're past masters at dressing up price 
*increases* to look like *reductions*. [Wouldn't surprise me if they advised 
Gordon Brown on zapping the 10p tax rate. <g>]

Why not do like many others (myself included) do - and sign up with BT for 
free evening and weekend calls, but make all your daytime calls via an 
indirect operator such as 18866. If you use an Orchid dialler, you can 
automate the whole thing so that calls get routed by the cheapest (or free) 
operator depending on day and time.
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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Roger Mills wrote:
> I'm no apologist for BT but, to be fair to them, they did write to everyone 
> to point out the (then) forthcoming changes to the charging structure.

"Pointing out" isn't quite what they did. The headline of the letter was 
"You have free UK weekend calls from now on" in big red letters. The 
next thing was "sign up for free uk evening calls as well" but then went 
on about a 12 month contract. As I was only paying 5p for an hour I 
didn't see the point, and they didn't point it out to me either. Perhaps 
they ran out of red ink. Oh no hang on, the next bit is "Other changes 
to your calling plan" the first of which is that they have changed its 
name. We're getting to the really important stuff now as you can see. 
Still no mention of the staggering 1800% price increase of an hour long 
evening call.

> 
> I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from BT - 

Not anymore I don't.

> 
> Why not do like many others (myself included) do - and sign up with BT for 
> free evening and weekend calls, but make all your daytime calls via an 

Mainly bitterness and resentment.

The real problem with BT is that it is working for its shareholders and 
not for its customers, which I suppose you could argue is a difficult 
problem to avoid wherever you go.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:28:46 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
 wrote:


>> I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from BT - 
>
>Not anymore I don't.

But you do if you don't wish to be ripped of by them again the fact
that they scrapped of the 5 p an hour did not bother me at all due to
the fact that I never made any calls at all until the free evening and
weekend calls came about . Now I use BT for evening and weekend and my
mobile free minutes for day time calls .

>The real problem with BT is that it is working for its shareholders and 
>not for its customers, which I suppose you could argue is a difficult 
>problem to avoid wherever you go.

While I am agreeing with you for the most part I still maintain that
no other company in the UK is capable of providing as good a quality
service has BT even though customers have to pay for it through the
nose .

Andy Pandy <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote 

> Also things like F&F (and TT's equivalent), if you use a dial-up ISP
> on 0845 I don't think anyone can beat the BT "best friend" rate.

I assumed all such ISPs had changed to 0844.

If any didn't, note that 0845 calls are now charged at the same rate
Sat-Sun as Mon-Fri, no "weekend rate" and since they are non-geographic
Unlimited Weekend Plan doesn't cover them.

-- 
Mike D

T. Sparrow  wrote 

> Roger Mills wrote:
> > I'm no apologist for BT but, to be fair to them, they did write to
everyone 
> > to point out the (then) forthcoming changes to the charging
structure.
> 
> "Pointing out" isn't quite what they did. The headline of the letter
was 
> "You have free UK weekend calls from now on" in big red letters. The 
> next thing was "sign up for free uk evening calls as well" but then
went 
> on about a 12 month contract. As I was only paying 5p for an hour I 
> didn't see the point, and they didn't point it out to me either.
Perhaps 
> they ran out of red ink. Oh no hang on, the next bit is "Other
changes 
> to your calling plan" the first of which is that they have changed
its 
> name. We're getting to the really important stuff now as you can see.

> Still no mention of the staggering 1800% price increase of an hour
long 
> evening call.

"From 1st April 2008 the Evening rate for UK  geographic calls will
change from 4.5
pence for calls up to an hour, to 1.5 pence per minute and a 6p set-up
fee will apply."

(from the BT PDF that Sunil posted back in Feb '08)

Now you know, can you find it in the information you were sent ?

-- 
Mike D

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
> 
> Now you know, can you find it in the information you were sent ?
> 
I know it's in there. It's on page two of the booklet of terms. My point 
is it should have been up front in the letter in big red letters.

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:28:46 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>> I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from BT - 
>> Not anymore I don't.
> 
> But you do if you don't wish to be ripped of by them again the fact

No I don't. I'm leaving BT.

"John" <replyingroup@notemail> wrote in message
news:F8OdndeILpnLf7jVnZ2dnUVZ8sXinZ2d@bt.com...
> >> Have a look here
> >> for an even better idea:
> >>
> >
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=1598074&postcount=4
> >
> > But always take these things with a pinch of salt, the suggested
> > cheapest way may not be correct, for instance it recommends using
> > 18185 for 056 all the time, why when it's free on BT at the
weekends?
> > And if your main contacts use TalkTalk you get free calls to them
> > anytime - there are a lot of TT users as they've taken over loads
of
> > other telcos like Tele2 and Onetel.
> >
> > Also things like F&F (and TT's equivalent), if you use a dial-up
ISP
> > on 0845 I don't think anyone can beat the BT "best friend" rate.
> >
> > In any case you might be better just looking at your phone bill
and
> > see the types of calls that are costing the most and look at the
best
> > way of reducing the costs of those, rather than signing up with
> > several telcos and dealing the resulting several bills etc. Some
of
> > the savings are fairly trivial.
>
> Yes, but, (a) Heinz is darn near evangelical in finding the cheapest
way of
> doing things telephone-wise, and adjusts the "Heinz Program" when
anything
> changes and maybe one carrier becomes cheaper than another. Plus,
the
> information is on moneysavingexpert.com, a website set up to help
people
> save money, so I think the info contained therein can be relied
upon,

It's generally a good site with very useful info, but there are
mistakes and omissions as I pointed out. Blindly following someone
else's scheme won't necessarily get you the biggest savings - because
it's virtually impossible to account for all the different combination
of circumstances.

> and
> (b) Heinz himself says (copied and pasted from that article):
>
> *N.B. I do not imply that the above are always the cheapest options
(e.g.
> the MSE UK Callchecker sometimes shows providers that offer
1p/minute
> cheaper weekday rates to 0870 numbers and, from time to time,
providers
> offering cheaper rates than 18185 to call mobiles pop up) but, as
sensible
> compromises between money-saving and ease of use, I believe they'll
suit
> most people.*
>
> So again, I reckon that if someone is serious about cutting
telephone costs,
> rather than saying "take it with a pinch of salt", they could do far
worse
> than to get themselves an Orchid Dialler and follow the Heinz
Program.

How do you programme the dialler to recognise calls "less than 2
minutes" ;-)

> I know it saved, and continues to save, us a fortune.

For us, for the cost of 4 diallers (for 4 extensions) it would take us
about 10 years to recoup the savings over simply using TT and
occasionally BT.

--
Andy

"Michael R N Dolbear"  wrote in message
news:01c8b2ed$3d791d80$LocalHost@default...
> > Also things like F&F (and TT's equivalent), if you use a dial-up
ISP
> > on 0845 I don't think anyone can beat the BT "best friend" rate.
>
> I assumed all such ISPs had changed to 0844.

Nope. I still use occasionally use FreeUK on an 0845 number - although
they don't advertise this number any more.
>
> If any didn't, note that 0845 calls are now charged at the same rate
> Sat-Sun as Mon-Fri, no "weekend rate" and since they are
non-geographic
> Unlimited Weekend Plan doesn't cover them.

Yup - but at 1.6p/min daytime and 0.4p/min evenings plus 4.8p
connection charge, for most of the time I don't think anyone can beat
BT rates - except weekend daytime when 18185 are cheaper.

--
Andy

On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:34:40 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
 wrote:

>mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:28:46 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from BT - 
>>> Not anymore I don't.
>> 
>> But you do if you don't wish to be ripped of by them again the fact
>
>No I don't. I'm leaving BT.
I left BT a three years ago and came running back asking for
forgiveness last year .
THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ! .

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Andy Pandy <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid>  wrote:

>
> For us, for the cost of 4 diallers (for 4 extensions) it would take us
> about 10 years to recoup the savings over simply using TT and
> occasionally BT.

You don't need *four* diallers - one will do! Just stick it between the 
master socket and the extension wiring, then it will control *all* your 
extensions. That's what I did.
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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wrote in message 
news:0cld241rsenrupi4c900vr646u2ioodspt@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:34:40 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>  wrote:
>
>>mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:28:46 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from 
>>>>> BT -
>>>> Not anymore I don't.
>>>
>>> But you do if you don't wish to be ripped of by them again the fact
>>
>>No I don't. I'm leaving BT.
> I left BT a three years ago and came running back asking for
> forgiveness last year .
> THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ! .

Indeed, get the lines from BT and route the calls through another carrier.

mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:34:40 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>  wrote:
> 
>> mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:28:46 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from BT - 
>>>> Not anymore I don't.
>>> But you do if you don't wish to be ripped of by them again the fact
>> No I don't. I'm leaving BT.
> I left BT a three years ago and came running back asking for
> forgiveness last year .
> THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ! .

Perhaps you jumped over the wrong fence?

I will report back with my tales of woe.

On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:07:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
 wrote:

>
> wrote in message 
>news:0cld241rsenrupi4c900vr646u2ioodspt@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:34:40 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:28:46 +0100, "T. Sparrow"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm afraid that you *do* have read all the pricing stuff you get from 
>>>>>> BT -
>>>>> Not anymore I don't.
>>>>
>>>> But you do if you don't wish to be ripped of by them again the fact
>>>
>>>No I don't. I'm leaving BT.
>> I left BT a three years ago and came running back asking for
>> forgiveness last year .
>> THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ! .
>
>Indeed, get the lines from BT and route the calls through another carrier. 
>
I don't even need to do that free calls from BT Ev&Wends and free
minutes via mobile in the daytime no problem at all .

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
T. Sparrow   wrote:

>
> Perhaps you jumped over the wrong fence?
>
> I will report back with my tales of woe.

Which particular fence have you jumped over? Does the deal involve paying 
the line rental to someone other than BT? Do you have a broadband connection 
via your phone line?
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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In news:4foe24lckbhd69jgp4l6ocuqktmm7kv2fp@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:07:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
:  wrote:

[snip]

: >Indeed, get the lines from BT and route the calls through another
: >carrier.
: >
: I don't even need to do that free calls from BT Ev&Wends and free
: minutes via mobile in the daytime no problem at all .

And how much a month are you paying for your "free"mobile minutes..?


Ivor

On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:40:25 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>In news:4foe24lckbhd69jgp4l6ocuqktmm7kv2fp@4ax.com,
>mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange, 
>unexplained reason:
>: On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:07:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
>:  wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>: >Indeed, get the lines from BT and route the calls through another
>: >carrier.
>: >
>: I don't even need to do that free calls from BT Ev&Wends and free
>: minutes via mobile in the daytime no problem at all .
>
>And how much a month are you paying for your "free"mobile minutes..?
Nothing free for 12 months on a 12 month contract .

Andy Pandy <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote 

> > Unlimited Weekend Plan doesn't cover them.
> 
> Yup - but at 1.6p/min daytime and 0.4p/min evenings plus 4.8p
> connection charge, for most of the time I don't think anyone can beat
> BT rates - except weekend daytime when 18185 are cheaper.

And indeed the 0844 ISP rate for weekends is 1p/minute so it's cheaper
for weekend daytime.

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"Michael R N Dolbear"  wrote in message
news:01c8b42b$043c1920$LocalHost@default...
> > > Unlimited Weekend Plan doesn't cover them.
> >
> > Yup - but at 1.6p/min daytime and 0.4p/min evenings plus 4.8p
> > connection charge, for most of the time I don't think anyone can
beat
> > BT rates - except weekend daytime when 18185 are cheaper.
>
> And indeed the 0844 ISP rate for weekends is 1p/minute so it's
cheaper
> for weekend daytime.

There are lots of 0844 rates, IIRC FreeUK use one that's 4ppm daytime
and 1ppm evenings/weekends.

--
Andy

"Andy Pandy" <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:68rfq4F2u67djU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Michael R N Dolbear"  wrote in message
> news:01c8b42b$043c1920$LocalHost@default...
> > > > Unlimited Weekend Plan doesn't cover them.
> > >
> > > Yup - but at 1.6p/min daytime and 0.4p/min evenings plus 4.8p
> > > connection charge, for most of the time I don't think anyone can
> beat
> > > BT rates - except weekend daytime when 18185 are cheaper.
> >
> > And indeed the 0844 ISP rate for weekends is 1p/minute so it's
> cheaper
> > for weekend daytime.
>
> There are lots of 0844 rates, IIRC FreeUK use one that's 4ppm
daytime
> and 1ppm evenings/weekends.

Sorry - that's what you just said! Assuming the 0844 number hasn't
changed to daytime/evening like 0845.

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Andy

In news:0e5g241vev4dqicfq2n6vtl8a3dk3b64ur@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:40:25 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >In news:4foe24lckbhd69jgp4l6ocuqktmm7kv2fp@4ax.com,
: >mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange,
: >unexplained reason:
: >: On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:07:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
: >:  wrote:
: >
: >[snip]
: >
: >: >Indeed, get the lines from BT and route the calls through another
: >: >carrier.
: >: >
: >: I don't even need to do that free calls from BT Ev&Wends and free
: >: minutes via mobile in the daytime no problem at all .
: >
: >And how much a month are you paying for your "free"mobile minutes..?

: Nothing free for 12 months on a 12 month contract .

So you paid nothing when taking out the contract, or for the phone, it's 
costing you nothing per month *and* you're getting call time free as 
well..?

Please enlighten us with more details of this wonderful offer.


Ivor

On Tue, 13 May 2008 18:49:55 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

>In news:0e5g241vev4dqicfq2n6vtl8a3dk3b64ur@4ax.com,
>mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange, 
>unexplained reason:
>: On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:40:25 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>:
>: >In news:4foe24lckbhd69jgp4l6ocuqktmm7kv2fp@4ax.com,
>: >mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange,
>: >unexplained reason:
>: >: On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:07:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
>: >:  wrote:
>: >
>: >[snip]
>: >
>: >: >Indeed, get the lines from BT and route the calls through another
>: >: >carrier.
>: >: >
>: >: I don't even need to do that free calls from BT Ev&Wends and free
>: >: minutes via mobile in the daytime no problem at all .
>: >
>: >And how much a month are you paying for your "free"mobile minutes..?
>
>: Nothing free for 12 months on a 12 month contract .
>
>So you paid nothing when taking out the contract, or for the phone, it's 
>costing you nothing per month *and* you're getting call time free as 
>well..?
>
>Please enlighten us with more details of this wonderful offer.
>
>
>Ivor
Plenty of cashbacks still on offer Ivor or was I have had mine nine
months now should be getting my final cheque this month I think.

In news:8jnj24t7cerrr5a1i0onqo5ell7jg6rvua@4ax.com,
mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange, 
unexplained reason:
: On Tue, 13 May 2008 18:49:55 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >In news:0e5g241vev4dqicfq2n6vtl8a3dk3b64ur@4ax.com,
: >mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange,
: >unexplained reason:
: >: On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:40:25 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: >: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: >:
: >: >In news:4foe24lckbhd69jgp4l6ocuqktmm7kv2fp@4ax.com,
: >: >mymail@hotmail.com  typed, for some strange,
: >: >unexplained reason:
: >: >: On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:07:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
: >: >:  wrote:
: >: >
: >: >[snip]
: >: >
: >: >: >Indeed, get the lines from BT and route the calls through
: >: >: >another carrier.
: >: >: >
: >: >: I don't even need to do that free calls from BT Ev&Wends and
: >: >: free minutes via mobile in the daytime no problem at all .
: >: >
: >: >And how much a month are you paying for your "free"mobile
: >: >minutes..?
: >
: >: Nothing free for 12 months on a 12 month contract .
: >
: >So you paid nothing when taking out the contract, or for the phone,
: >it's costing you nothing per month *and* you're getting call time
: >free as well..?
: >
: >Please enlighten us with more details of this wonderful offer.
: >
: >
: >Ivor
: Plenty of cashbacks still on offer Ivor or was I have had mine nine
: months now should be getting my final cheque this month I think.

Ah, cashbacks. Like the shop in Birmingham that went bust a few weeks back 
leaving thousands out of pocket..?

No thanks.

Ivor

Roger Mills wrote:
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> T. Sparrow   wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps you jumped over the wrong fence?
>>
>> I will report back with my tales of woe.
> 
> Which particular fence have you jumped over? Does the deal involve paying 
> the line rental to someone other than BT? Do you have a broadband connection 
> via your phone line?

I am going to the phone co-op. I am going to pay my line rental to them, 
although that is optional. I have a broadband adsl, but that is through 
a different provider altogether. I think the phone co-op uses BT 
Wholesale as they are not listed as a LLU provider for my exchange. I am 
  hoping my broadband won't be affected.

In article
, T.
Sparrow  wrote:

> Roger Mills wrote:

> > In an earlier contribution to this discussion, T.
> > Sparrow   wrote:

> >> Perhaps you jumped over the wrong fence?

> >> I will report back with my tales of woe.

> > Which particular fence have you jumped over? Does the
> > deal involve paying the line rental to someone other
> > than BT? Do you have a broadband connection via your
> > phone line?

> I am going to the phone co-op. I am going to pay my line
> rental to them, although that is optional. I have a
> broadband adsl, but that is through a different provider
> altogether. I think the phone co-op uses BT Wholesale as
> they are not listed as a LLU provider for my exchange. I
> am hoping my broadband won't be affected.

When I moved from BT to The Phone Co-op I was in exactly the
same situation.

There was no effect on my ADSL at all, nor on the way the
phone worked.

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
T. Sparrow   wrote:

> I am going to the phone co-op. I am going to pay my line rental to
> them, although that is optional. I have a broadband adsl, but that is
> through a different provider altogether. I think the phone co-op uses
> BT Wholesale as they are not listed as a LLU provider for my
>  exchange. I am hoping my broadband won't be affected.

Good luck! You *may* be ok - but I certainly wouldn't want to take the risk 
with my BB connection.
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Roger Mills wrote:
>> I am going to the phone co-op. I am going to pay my line rental to
>> them, although that is optional. I have a broadband adsl, but that is
>> through a different provider altogether. I think the phone co-op uses
>> BT Wholesale as they are not listed as a LLU provider for my
>>  exchange. I am hoping my broadband won't be affected.
> 
> Good luck! You *may* be ok - but I certainly wouldn't want to take the risk 
> with my BB connection.

I am now completely transferred, and everything is working fine just as 
before, including my broadband.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
T. Sparrow   wrote:

> Roger Mills wrote:
>>> I am going to the phone co-op. I am going to pay my line rental to
>>> them, although that is optional. I have a broadband adsl, but that
>>> is through a different provider altogether. I think the phone co-op
>>> uses BT Wholesale as they are not listed as a LLU provider for my
>>>  exchange. I am hoping my broadband won't be affected.
>>
>> Good luck! You *may* be ok - but I certainly wouldn't want to take
>> the risk with my BB connection.
>
> I am now completely transferred, and everything is working fine just
> as before, including my broadband.

Excellent! Did it all go smoothly, or was there any hassle/interruption of 
service/unexpected costs?
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