But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update 
on me and what's going on.  For old time's sake there's a good touch 
of angst, but ultimately that's not an issue.

After my divorce 15 years ago I had problems with my energy.  Several 
doctors didn't have a clue and two said they thought I was clinically 
depressed.  I was also single-handedly raising a son (9 years old at 
that time) who was diagnosed with a fairly severe case of Asperger's 
Syndrome (the biggest problem was severe anxiety attacks when faced 
with unusual or threatening situations), and I figured that added to 
my failure to become more healthy.

Through it all I handled it, raised my son (who, after one especially 
tough year, is now doing exceptionally well, by the way - what a 
relief!) and, working for myself, maintained enough business to do 
what needed to be done.

Then three years ago I was in a traffic accident.  Someone came 
through a red light and totalled my car.  I was dazed at the time but 
otherwise unhurt.  But from that time my energy problem just got 
worse and worse until I could hardly do anything.  Turns out I had a 
minor concussion in the accident, and that caused the problem.

It also turns out that my problem wasn't depression after all.  
Somehow I'd contracted a virus that causes a type of chronic fatigue 
- apparently it's fairly obscure and approved treatments are unknown.  
I found a doctor who was very thorough and found the problem.  Then 
he came up with a medication to clear the virus out of my system - he 
couldn't get rid of it altogether, but was able to reduce it below 
the amount detectible in a blood test.

Unfortunately that didn't help my energy level - apparently it had 
caused damage to my brain, exacerbated by the traffic accident.  
Fortunately I seem to be, finally, on the mend.  It's going slowly 
but my health is defintely better than it was last year.

I've been dating a woman for almost three years.  It was going so 
well that about a year ago she asked me to move in with her.  At that 
time she knew I was sick and that my finances were not the best.

But since then my financial situation has gotten worse, and that put 
a huge strain on our relationship.  I think that may have been a 
blessing in disguise, because it revealed that we have completely 
incompatable ways of dealing with serious problems, and if we hadn't 
broke up now, I'm sure it would have happened at some time in the 
future.

In addition to my son I have a daughter who just started her third 
year at university.  Until she started university she lived in San 
Diego, 500 miles away.  I'd visit her as often as I could  - 
generally once a month (I would generally drive to get there).  Only 
rarely did she fly up to visit me.  We get on very well.  She is in 
university at Berkeley, very close to me now.  So that's a bonus.

So all in all life has its ups and downs, but I am now very 
optimistic about the future.  I'm working on rebuilding my business 
and moving on with my life.

I hope things are going well for all the rest of you.

Stu

, Stuart Bronstein :
> 

>
> So all in all life has its ups and downs, but I am now very 
> optimistic about the future.  I'm working on rebuilding my business 
> and moving on with my life.
>
> I hope things are going well for all the rest of you.
>
> Stu

Good luck, Stu ! :D

Stuart Bronstein wrote:
> But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update 
> on me and what's going on.  For old time's sake there's a good touch 
> of angst, but ultimately that's not an issue.
> 
> After my divorce 15 years ago I had problems with my energy.  Several 
> doctors didn't have a clue and two said they thought I was clinically 
> depressed.  I was also single-handedly raising a son (9 years old at 
> that time) who was diagnosed with a fairly severe case of Asperger's 
> Syndrome (the biggest problem was severe anxiety attacks when faced 
> with unusual or threatening situations), and I figured that added to 
> my failure to become more healthy.

This is mainly caused through genetic effects - you can see the thread 
of it running through my family. There was a theory at one time that 
what was then known simply as Autism was caused by poor parenting but 
this is totally discredited these days. Autism is also much more 
understood than it used to be - it now tends to be called Autism 
Spectrum Disorder, with classical (or Kanner type) autism at one end of 
the spectrum and Asperger's syndrome at the other.

It can be *very* draining to one's mental energy to be around people 
with this condition.

As Michele said, best of luck. Our thoughts are with you.
-- 
John Wright

Michèle wrote:
>  Stuart Bronstein : 
>>
>> So all in all life has its ups and downs, but I am now very 
>> optimistic about the future.  I'm working on rebuilding my business 
>> and moving on with my life.
>>
>> I hope things are going well for all the rest of you.
> 
> Good luck, Stu ! :D

Thanks Michèle.  I hope you're feeling better.

Stu

John Wright wrote:

> This is mainly caused through genetic effects - you can see the
> thread of it running through my family. There was a theory at one
> time that what was then known simply as Autism was caused by poor
> parenting but this is totally discredited these days. Autism is
> also much more understood than it used to be - it now tends to be
> called Autism Spectrum Disorder, with classical (or Kanner type)
> autism at one end of the spectrum and Asperger's syndrome at the
> other. 
> 
> It can be *very* draining to one's mental energy to be around
> people with this condition.

Most of the overt symptoms of Asperger's can often be overcome with 
education - when the person realizes that there is a gap in his 
knowledge and he is motivated to learn.  These days my son is doing so 
well that, unless you got to know him very, very well most people would 
not have a clue about his diagnosis.

> As Michele said, best of luck. Our thoughts are with you.

Thanks.  I'm actually doing pretty well considering.  My health is 
actually getting better.  My business is at the lowest point it's been 
in years, but for the first time in a long time I have the potential to 
actually do well again (important to me so that I can visit the UK 
again).

How are you and Janet doing?  Still in the land of the midnight sun?

Stu

, Stuart Bronstein :
> Michèle wrote:
>>  Stuart Bronstein : 
>>> 
>>> So all in all life has its ups and downs, but I am now very 
>>> optimistic about the future.  I'm working on rebuilding my business 
>>> and moving on with my life.
>>> 
>>> I hope things are going well for all the rest of you.
>> 
>> Good luck, Stu ! :D
>
> Thanks Michèle.  I hope you're feeling better.
>
> Stu

Yes I do,
 thanks

Michèle

Stuart Bronstein wrote:
> But I miss this place. 
yeah I miss it too.
> 
> I hope things are going well for all the rest of you.
I moan, I whine, I whinge, but I get on with it.

Hope your life becomes more fun soon.

Nev

Stuart Bronstein wrote:
> John Wright wrote:
> 
>> This is mainly caused through genetic effects - you can see the
>> thread of it running through my family. There was a theory at one
>> time that what was then known simply as Autism was caused by poor
>> parenting but this is totally discredited these days. Autism is
>> also much more understood than it used to be - it now tends to be
>> called Autism Spectrum Disorder, with classical (or Kanner type)
>> autism at one end of the spectrum and Asperger's syndrome at the
>> other. 
>>
>> It can be *very* draining to one's mental energy to be around
>> people with this condition.
> 
> Most of the overt symptoms of Asperger's can often be overcome with 
> education - when the person realizes that there is a gap in his 
> knowledge and he is motivated to learn.  These days my son is doing so 
> well that, unless you got to know him very, very well most people would 
> not have a clue about his diagnosis.

This is very true, but most books say that the thus acquired coping 
strategies have to be applied intellectually rather than intuitively as 
per neurotypical people. They can thus be very tiring for the person 
with AS (as was explained to me).

On the whole Tony Attwood say it is much better to be diagnosed at an 
early age. If you end up as an adult without diagnosis it can be much 
more problematic as has to be the case with anyone who had the 
misfortune to be older than about 15! If you have access to it Tony 
Attwoods "Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome" is a recently published 
book which is very useful.

A great nephew of mine was diagnosed with AS at the age of two (I 
think). I suspect my father had it but he died in 1971 so *never* got 
diagnosed. It has an upside - I was talking to a chap the other day who 
has a son with AS and at the age of 8 1/2 he installed a complete 
computer network round the house!

>> As Michele said, best of luck. Our thoughts are with you.
> 
> Thanks.  I'm actually doing pretty well considering.  My health is 
> actually getting better.  My business is at the lowest point it's been 
> in years, but for the first time in a long time I have the potential to 
> actually do well again (important to me so that I can visit the UK 
> again).
> 
> How are you and Janet doing?  Still in the land of the midnight sun?

We still are - but we're not quite there, you need to go some way 
farther north for true midnight sun. We are south of any point in Norway 
for example. You get midnight sun north of 66N, we are about 57N. We 
only get sunlight till around 11pm at night and after 2.30 in the 
morning in June. Hardly any time at all in winter.

A friend of mine works in an office with no windows (really) so in 
winter he goes to work in the dark, has no sun during the day, and comes 
home in the dark. What a life!

-- 
John Wright

, Michèle :

>> 
>> Thanks Michèle.  I hope you're feeling better.
>> 
>> Stu
>
> Yes I do,
>  thanks
>
> Michèle

Yes *I am*  (petite faute de grammaire)

Michèle wrote:

>>> Thanks Michèle.  I hope you're feeling better.
>>
>> Yes I do,
>>  thanks
> 
> Yes *I am*  (petite faute de grammaire)

"I am" is more common, but in response to what I said, "I do" is also 
acceptable.

Stu

John Wright wrote:
> Stuart Bronstein wrote:
>> John Wright wrote:
>>
>> Most of the overt symptoms of Asperger's can often be overcome
>> with education - when the person realizes that there is a gap in
>> his knowledge and he is motivated to learn.  These days my son is
>> doing so well that, unless you got to know him very, very well
>> most people would not have a clue about his diagnosis.
> 
> This is very true, but most books say that the thus acquired
> coping strategies have to be applied intellectually rather than
> intuitively as per neurotypical people. They can thus be very
> tiring for the person with AS (as was explained to me).

With practice it can become second nature.  But it can be difficult 
to start.

> On the whole Tony Attwood say it is much better to be diagnosed at
> an early age. If you end up as an adult without diagnosis it can
> be much more problematic as has to be the case with anyone who had
> the misfortune to be older than about 15! If you have access to it
> Tony Attwoods "Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome" is a
> recently published book which is very useful.

My son was one of the first to be diagnosed in the US, since it 
wasn't recognized here as separate from autism until 1994.  I 
recentlty chatted with someone else who has an Asperger's son the 
same age.  He was not diagnosed early and today is in pretty bad 
shape.

> A great nephew of mine was diagnosed with AS at the age of two (I 
> think). I suspect my father had it but he died in 1971 so *never*
> got diagnosed. It has an upside - I was talking to a chap the
> other day who has a son with AS and at the age of 8 1/2 he
> installed a complete computer network round the house!

After my son's diagnosis I realized that I have AS as well, though 
his is more severe than mine.

> A friend of mine works in an office with no windows (really) so in
> winter he goes to work in the dark, has no sun during the day, and
> comes home in the dark. What a life!

Does anyone use bright light therapy?  I'd imagine that winter 
depression might be more common than farther south.

Stu

Nev Young wrote:
> Stuart Bronstein wrote:

>> But I miss this place. 
>
> yeah I miss it too.
>> 
>> I hope things are going well for all the rest of you.
>
> I moan, I whine, I whinge, but I get on with it.

What colour are your toenails these days?

> Hope your life becomes more fun soon.

Mostly I just need to start making money again.  And with the digital 
printers available these days, with luck that won't take too long.  ;-)

Aside from that, I really can't complain.

Besides, if I did complain, who'd listen?

Stu

Stuart Bronstein wrote:


> My son was one of the first to be diagnosed in the US, since it 
> wasn't recognized here as separate from autism until 1994.  I 
> recentlty chatted with someone else who has an Asperger's son the 
> same age.  He was not diagnosed early and today is in pretty bad 
> shape.

You could not be diagnosed with AS until about 1994 since that was when 
it was first recognised in DSM. I'm not sure about ICD - but that does 
not apply in the USA. Although Asperger wrote his original paper in 1944 
it was not really thought about until 1981 when Lorna Wing in the UK 
added to it. Simon Baron-Cohen and Tony Attwood are the two most 
recognised people in the UK on the subject, though Tony lives in 
Australia nowadays.

>> A great nephew of mine was diagnosed with AS at the age of two (I 
>> think). I suspect my father had it but he died in 1971 so *never*
>> got diagnosed. It has an upside - I was talking to a chap the
>> other day who has a son with AS and at the age of 8 1/2 he
>> installed a complete computer network round the house!
> 
> After my son's diagnosis I realized that I have AS as well, though 
> his is more severe than mine.

I have been diagnosed with AS myself, although I'm never sure how severe 
it is or not - No one ever seems to agree. One person said "If you have 
AS it's the mildest case I've ever come across" - another said I was an 
absolutely typical aspie, yet another one yet says I don't have it, but 
we don't think she had the slightest idea what she was talking about.

Janet recognises the symptoms, though I suspect I had to teach her what 
they might be first.

>> A friend of mine works in an office with no windows (really) so in
>> winter he goes to work in the dark, has no sun during the day, and
>> comes home in the dark. What a life!
> 
> Does anyone use bright light therapy?  I'd imagine that winter 
> depression might be more common than farther south.

Some people do - we've considered making a business out of selling light 
boxes to counteract SAD since it seems to be quite prevalent - in the 
whole of the UK not just up here - there are people in London who claim 
to be affected.

-- 
John Wright

Asperger's – a different way of thinking

John Wright wrote:

>> Does anyone use bright light therapy?  I'd imagine that winter 
>> depression might be more common than farther south.
> 
> Some people do - we've considered making a business out of selling
> light boxes to counteract SAD since it seems to be quite prevalent
> - in the whole of the UK not just up here - there are people in
> London who claim to be affected.

If you use a light box it has to be used the right way or it won't be 
effective.  The right way is to begin the process between 5:00 and 6:00 
in the morning.  The light doesn't need to shine in your eyes, but does 
need to shine somewhere on your skin.  It should be very close, and it 
should be used for between 30 minutes and an hour.  If it hasn't worked 
for someone, it's probably because they've done it incorrectly.

Stu

In message , Stuart 
Bronstein  writes
>Michèle wrote:
>
>>>> Thanks Michèle.  I hope you're feeling better.
>>>
>>> Yes I do,
>>>  thanks
>>
>> Yes *I am*  (petite faute de grammaire)
>
>"I am" is more common, but in response to what I said, "I do" is also
>acceptable.
>
IME "p*ss *ff" seems to be more common, but I suspect that may be just 
me...
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

Loretta wrote:
> Stuart Bronstein  writes
>>
>>"I am" is more common, but in response to what I said, "I do" is
>>also acceptable.
>>
> IME "p*ss *ff" seems to be more common, but I suspect that may be
> just me...

Silly me.  I thought you were just p*ssed.

Stu

, Stuart Bronstein :

>
> "I am" is more common, but in response to what I said, "I do" is also 
> acceptable.
>
> Stu

thanks

Stuart Bronstein wrote:
> Nev Young wrote:
>> Stuart Bronstein wrote:
> 
> What colour are your toenails these days?
Today they're a very dark blue  (RGB 10,30,106)
> 
> Aside from that, I really can't complain.
> Besides, if I did complain, who'd listen?

We would listen. Then we'd poke fun at you.

Nev

In message <fe7e4v$pcs$1@aioe.org>, Nev Young 
 writes
>Stuart Bronstein wrote:
>> Nev Young wrote:
>>> Stuart Bronstein wrote:
>>  What colour are your toenails these days?
>Today they're a very dark blue  (RGB 10,30,106)
>>  Aside from that, I really can't complain.
>> Besides, if I did complain, who'd listen?
>
>We would listen. Then we'd poke fun at you.
>
That's very cruel!

Let's just poke him, instead.
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

in message , Stuart Bronstein
('spamtrap@lexregia.com') wrote:

> John Wright wrote:
> 
>>> Does anyone use bright light therapy?  I'd imagine that winter
>>> depression might be more common than farther south.
>> 
>> Some people do - we've considered making a business out of selling
>> light boxes to counteract SAD since it seems to be quite prevalent
>> - in the whole of the UK not just up here - there are people in
>> London who claim to be affected.
> 
> If you use a light box

Featherweight or bantamweight?

-- 
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

        ;; Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
        ;; do it from  religious conviction."           -- Pascal

Simon Brooke wrote:
> Stuart Bronstein ('spamtrap@lexregia.com') wrote:
>> John Wright wrote:
>> 
>>>> Does anyone use bright light therapy?  I'd imagine that winter
>>>> depression might be more common than farther south.
>>> 
>>> Some people do - we've considered making a business out of
>>> selling light boxes to counteract SAD since it seems to be quite
>>> prevalent - in the whole of the UK not just up here - there are
>>> people in London who claim to be affected.
>> 
>> If you use a light box
> 
> Featherweight or bantamweight?

Aren't you thinking of a fight box?

Stu

Stuart Bronstein  writes
>But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update
>on me and what's going on.  For old time's sake there's a good touch
>of angst, but ultimately that's not an issue.
>
Hi Stu, I still look in here pretty regular, and of course I was aware 
of some of what you have written, having been in close contact with you 
recently.
I didn't know about the break-up though, that's sad, I thought you were 
settled.   8-(

I still have that asshole threatening to sue me for some unspecified 
words, but he has this week libelled a female member of the newsgroup by 
newspost and numerous emails.     The tide is turning, and some 
complaints have gone to his ISP.     If I could screw him for a few 
grand I would send some your way!   He is one sick puppy, but I will 
never forget the devoted help and advice you gave me, I was also on a 
low ebb for several weeks.

I know all about anxiety attacks, have suffered ever since I had a near 
nervous breakdown at age 25.   It catches up with me, and I just start 
with deep breaths and try relaxation techniques.     What is a killer is 
when folks say "Stop worrying"....

I have always regarded this as a place we could come back to Stu, and I 
can only say I'm always here to listen, or by email, if you want to bend 
my ear, Dog knows I did that to you for weeks!
Stay in touch, Stu.

<<<Manly Hugs>>>
-- 
Gordon H
(Remove "Invalid" to reply)

Gordon H wrote:
 
> I have always regarded this as a place we could come back to Stu,
> and I can only say I'm always here to listen, or by email, if you
> want to bend my ear, Dog knows I did that to you for weeks!
> Stay in touch, Stu.

Thanks, Gordon.  That's the nicest thing I've heard all day.  ;-)

Stu

In message <hGv4vcnYHBCHFwD9@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid>, Gordon H 
<Gordon@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> writes
>Stuart Bronstein  writes
>>But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update
>>on me and what's going on.  For old time's sake there's a good touch
>>of angst, but ultimately that's not an issue.
>>
>
>I know all about anxiety attacks, have suffered ever since I had a near 
>nervous breakdown at age 25.   It catches up with me, and I just start 
>with deep breaths and try relaxation techniques.     What is a killer 
>is when folks say "Stop worrying"....
>
I think "Pull yourself together" was always one of my favourites. Many 
people in 1969 seemed to think that was an accepted cure for manic 
depression and paranoid schizophrenia.

They often seemed surprised at my reply. I was often surprised at my 
failure to try and kick the crass ignorance out of them. I would have 
put it down to apathy, but I didn't really care.

Oh how we laughed.
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

Loretta wrote:
> Gordon H <Gordon@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> writes
>>
>>I know all about anxiety attacks, have suffered ever since I had a
>>near nervous breakdown at age 25.   It catches up with me, and I
>>just start with deep breaths and try relaxation techniques.    
>>What is a killer is when folks say "Stop worrying"....
>>
> I think "Pull yourself together" was always one of my favourites.
> Many people in 1969 seemed to think that was an accepted cure for
> manic depression and paranoid schizophrenia.

Well, it works in the movies.

My anxiety attacks aren't obvious and seem more like procrastination 
than anything else.  So I haven't ever been given that kind of advice.

> They often seemed surprised at my reply. I was often surprised at
> my failure to try and kick the crass ignorance out of them. I
> would have put it down to apathy, but I didn't really care.

My approach would be to catch them at a time when they are very ill 
with something like measles or food poisoning and exorting them to 
"pull yourself together and get over it."

Stu

Stuart Bronstein wrote:
> Loretta wrote:
> My anxiety attacks aren't obvious and seem more like procrastination 
> than anything else.  So I haven't ever been given that kind of advice.
> 
>> They often seemed surprised at my reply. I was often surprised at
>> my failure to try and kick the crass ignorance out of them. I
>> would have put it down to apathy, but I didn't really care.
> 
> My approach would be to catch them at a time when they are very ill 
> with something like measles or food poisoning and exorting them to 
> "pull yourself together and get over it."
> 
"Pull yourself together, It's all just in your head" is advise I often 
get/got. My reply now is "So I must tell mum to stop moaning about her 
angina because it's all just in her chest". I find it a very good moron 
stopper.

Nev

On 5 Oct, 14:34, Stuart Bronstein  wrote:
> But I miss this place.  

So do I - amazed to find a real thread in here amongst all the spam,
actually.  I don't think I've much to add to what others have said
except to wish you well.

Guy

Loretta wrote:
> In message <hGv4vcnYHBCHFwD9@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid>, Gordon H 
> <Gordon@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> writes
>> Stuart Bronstein  writes
>>> But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update
>>> on me and what's going on.  For old time's sake there's a good touch
>>> of angst, but ultimately that's not an issue.
>>>
>>
>> I know all about anxiety attacks, have suffered ever since I had a 
>> near nervous breakdown at age 25.   It catches up with me, and I just 
>> start with deep breaths and try relaxation techniques.     What is a 
>> killer is when folks say "Stop worrying"....
>>
> I think "Pull yourself together" was always one of my favourites. Many 
> people in 1969 seemed to think that was an accepted cure for manic 
> depression and paranoid schizophrenia.

I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course I 
had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on the 
wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!

-- 
John Wright

Loretta  writes
>In message <hGv4vcnYHBCHFwD9@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid>, Gordon H 
><Gordon@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> writes
>>Stuart Bronstein  writes
>>>But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update
>>>on me and what's going on.  For old time's sake there's a good touch
>>>of angst, but ultimately that's not an issue.
>>>
>>
>>I know all about anxiety attacks, have suffered ever since I had a 
>>near nervous breakdown at age 25.   It catches up with me, and I just 
>>start with deep breaths and try relaxation techniques.     What is a 
>>killer is when folks say "Stop worrying"....
>>
>I think "Pull yourself together" was always one of my favourites. Many 
>people in 1969 seemed to think that was an accepted cure for manic 
>depression and paranoid schizophrenia.
>
>They often seemed surprised at my reply. I was often surprised at my 
>failure to try and kick the crass ignorance out of them. I would have 
>put it down to apathy, but I didn't really care.
>
>Oh how we laughed.

;-)
-- 
Gordon H
(Remove "Invalid" to reply)

Stuart Bronstein  writes
>Loretta wrote:
>
>My anxiety attacks aren't obvious and seem more like procrastination
>than anything else.  So I haven't ever been given that kind of advice.
>
Oh dear!   That sounds familiar too.      A few weeks ago, apart from 
the hassle I was getting, I was pondering over whether I could afford to 
pay £25 per month to join a gym, mainly to go swimming.     Then there 
was the garage roof cracked and leaking all over the place, £1400 quid 
was a lot of money to put together out of my pensions.     I suddenly 
realised that the procrastination was the main cause of my stress, and 
once I made my mind up it was a relief.     The physical activity of 
swimming every other day made a difference, and that was relaxing, and 
now that the roof is replaced, I can actually work on the bench in 
there!    25 quid a month is about 83 pence a day!

Do you attribute the anxiety as a result of being indecisive, or is the 
anxiety causing the procrastination?
I certainly felt a huge rush of confidence once a decision had been 
made.

>> They often seemed surprised at my reply. I was often surprised at
>> my failure to try and kick the crass ignorance out of them. I
>> would have put it down to apathy, but I didn't really care.
>
I told my daughter (Sue) recently that I don't suffer fools gladly, and 
she said "No Dad, you're just bloody rude"!

>My approach would be to catch them at a time when they are very ill
>with something like measles or food poisoning and exorting them to
>"pull yourself together and get over it."
>
>Stu

Yes, or "Have you tried sticking needles in yourself?   The Chinese do 
it all the time.
-- 
Gordon H
(Remove "Invalid" to reply)

Gordon H wrote:
> Stuart Bronstein  writes
>>
>>My anxiety attacks aren't obvious and seem more like
>>procrastination than anything else.  So I haven't ever been given
>>that kind of advice.
> 
> Do you attribute the anxiety as a result of being indecisive, or
> is the anxiety causing the procrastination?

It's certainly not indecision.  When this happens (not often but 
generally when I'm in a particularly stressful situation) I know 
exactly what I want and need to do, but for some reason reason can't 
force myself to do.  It's like I'm paralyzed by fear of something, but 
I don't know what.

> I told my daughter (Sue) recently that I don't suffer fools
> gladly, and she said "No Dad, you're just bloody rude"!

You're not rude, you're just forthcoming.  Just like I'm not wishy-
washy, I'm just open minded.

Stu

Loretta's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
following:
>In message <fe7e4v$pcs$1@aioe.org>, Nev Young 
> writes
>>Stuart Bronstein wrote:
>>> Nev Young wrote:
>>>> Stuart Bronstein wrote:
>>>  What colour are your toenails these days?
>>Today they're a very dark blue  (RGB 10,30,106)
>>>  Aside from that, I really can't complain.
>>> Besides, if I did complain, who'd listen?
>>
>>We would listen. Then we'd poke fun at you.
>>
>That's very cruel!
>
>Let's just poke him, instead.

I can't reach him from here, so It'll have to be poking fun.

-- 
David Reid     David@disarray.org.uk    http://www.disarray.org.uk

Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!

John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
following:
>
>I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course 
>I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on the 
>wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>
Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your 
loved ones would be OK?

-- 
David Reid     David@disarray.org.uk    http://www.disarray.org.uk

Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!

David Reid wrote:
> John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
> following:
>>
>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course 
>> I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on 
>> the wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>>
> Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your 
> loved ones would be OK?
> 

<pedant>
You can't get life /insurance/, you can only get life /assurance/. 
Insurance if to protect your family in case something occurs, assurance 
is to protect them when it occurs. Unless you have found immortality
</pedant>

-- 
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

Are you still here? The message is over. Shoo! Go away!

In uk.singles,  (David Reid) wrote in ::

>John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
>following:
>>
>>I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course 
>>I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on the 
>>wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>>
>Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your 
>loved ones would be OK?

Pointless.  They don't pay out in such circumstances.
-- 
Marc

Demian's Observation: There is always one item on the screen menu
that is mislabeled and should read "ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE."

In uk.singles,  (Don Whybrow) wrote in
::

>David Reid wrote:
>> John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
>> following:
>>>
>>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course 
>>> I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on 
>>> the wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>>>
>> Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your 
>> loved ones would be OK?
>> 
>
><pedant>
>You can't get life /insurance/, you can only get life /assurance/. 
>Insurance if to protect your family in case something occurs, assurance 
>is to protect them when it occurs. Unless you have found immortality
></pedant>

It's generally limited in term, so I don't see the distinction.  When I
take out, say, fire cover, I'm saying: "Bet my house burns down this year",
and the InsCo are accepting that bet.  When I insure my life, I'm saying:
"Bet I die before I'm 65", and they're accepting that bet.

No company that I know of will cover a bet that means you have to live
forever for them to win.
-- 
Marc

Demian's Observation: There is always one item on the screen menu
that is mislabeled and should read "ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE."

Don Whybrow wrote:
> David Reid wrote:
>> John Wright:
>>>
>>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of
>>> course I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only
>>> completely on the wrong track he also tried to sell me
>>> insurance! 
>>>
>> Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least
>> your loved ones would be OK?
> 
> <pedant>
> You can't get life /insurance/, you can only get life /assurance/.
> Insurance if to protect your family in case something occurs,
> assurance is to protect them when it occurs. Unless you have found
> immortality </pedant>

Someone once said that with life insurance you are placing a bet that 
you are going to die.  Then you hope you lose!

A life insurance salesman cold-called ballet master George Balanchine.  
Balanchine was unmarried at the time and had no children, so he said, 
"I won't need any money after I die.  But if you pay me $1,000,000 now, 
I'll pay back a little bit every month until I die."

He never heard from the salesman again.

Stu

Marc Wilson wrote:
> (David Reid) wrote in :: 
>
>>Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least
>>your loved ones would be OK?
> 
> Pointless.  They don't pay out in such circumstances.

Depends on the policy.  Here you can get a policy that will pay out for 
suicide, but there is generally a one or two year waiting period.  Some 
group policies will also pay but without a waiting period.

Stu

In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
::

>Marc Wilson wrote:
>> (David Reid) wrote in :: 
>>
>>>Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least
>>>your loved ones would be OK?
>> 
>> Pointless.  They don't pay out in such circumstances.
>
>Depends on the policy.  Here you can get a policy that will pay out for 
>suicide, but there is generally a one or two year waiting period.  Some 
>group policies will also pay but without a waiting period.

Wow.  I've never seen a policy where it wasn't an exclusion.  Even
deliberately putting yourself in harm's way is normally excluded, with the
exception of attempting to save life (e.g. if you drown trying to rescue
someone) - I suppose that in the long run, it's better for them if people
*do* attempt rescues.
-- 
Marc

 Religion has always been the wound, not the bandage.  (Dennis Potter)

In article ,
 Stuart Bronstein  wrote:

> But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update 
> on me and what's going on.

I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ. It's 
good to read your update. I do sometimes wonder what's become of people 
from here.


--Susan

-- 
*******
To email, write to Sv2 at llondel dot org
http://www.evilsusan.com/susan/

David Reid wrote:
> John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
> following:
>>
>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course 
>> I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on 
>> the wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>>
> Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your 
> loved ones would be OK?

Can't remember what kind of insurance it was. I put the phone down so 
fast it must have hurt!

-- 
John Wright

In message , Susan <someone$@llondel.org> 
writes
>In article ,
> Stuart Bronstein  wrote:
>> But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update
>> on me and what's going on.

>I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.

I'm still here, but these days I'm mainly in the Shedde, and recently LJ 
too.

> It's
>good to read your update. I do sometimes wonder what's become of people
>from here.

Likewise. I still look back with pleasure on the many enjoyable boinks 
in which I took part, and the varied, and sometimes downright startling, 
discussions that went on here.
-- 
Regards,
Andrew Marshall, G8BUR, M0MAA.
Unsolicited advertising matter unwelcome. Offenders may be blacklisted.

Marc Wilson wrote:
> In uk.singles,  (David Reid) wrote in ::
> 
>> John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
>> following:
>>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course 
>>> I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on the 
>>> wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>>>
>> Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your 
>> loved ones would be OK?
> 
> Pointless.  They don't pay out in such circumstances.

s/such/any/

Nev

Don Whybrow wrote:
> David Reid wrote:
>> John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me 
>> the following:
>>>
>>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of 
>>> course I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only 
>>> completely on the wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>>>
>> Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your 
>> loved ones would be OK?
>>
> 
> <pedant>
> You can't get life /insurance/, you can only get life /assurance/. 
> Insurance if to protect your family in case something occurs, assurance 
> is to protect them when it occurs. Unless you have found immortality
> </pedant>
> 
Indeed what is generally called "life insurance" is in fact "death 
insurance". Apparently it doesn't sell as well using that name.
Life assurance is really term assurance with life cover.

Nev (about to get shot down in flames).

Susan wrote:

> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.

LJ?

Stu

Nev Young wrote:
> Don Whybrow wrote:
>> 
>> <pedant>
>> You can't get life /insurance/, you can only get life
>> /assurance/. Insurance if to protect your family in case
>> something occurs, assurance is to protect them when it occurs.
>> Unless you have found immortality </pedant>
>> 
> Indeed what is generally called "life insurance" is in fact "death
> insurance". Apparently it doesn't sell as well using that name.
> Life assurance is really term assurance with life cover.

The amount paid when the insured dies is called the "death benefit."  I  
have always found that to be a curious name - and not completely 
reassuring.

Stu

In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
::

>Susan wrote:
>
>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.
>
>LJ?

LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic discipline
of usenet.
-- 
Marc

boat. n. A hole in the water which you attempt to fill with money.

Marc Wilson wrote:
> (Stuart Bronstein) wrote:
>>Susan wrote:
>>
>>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on
>>> LJ. 
>>
>>LJ?
> 
> LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic
> discipline of usenet.

For some reason blogging never appealed to me.  For the most part it 
seems so non-interactive.

On the other hand I've seen some blogs that are set up to be supposedly 
interactive.  If you're not familiar with this site (based in the UK, 
by the way), members of this group might appreciate it:
http://seventypercent.com/home.asp

Stu

In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
::

>Marc Wilson wrote:
>> (Stuart Bronstein) wrote:
>>>Susan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on
>>>> LJ. 
>>>
>>>LJ?
>> 
>> LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic
>> discipline of usenet.
>
>For some reason blogging never appealed to me.  For the most part it 
>seems so non-interactive.

LJ *is* interactive, but a lot of it is "me me me".

You can have "private" content, limited to friends, and can restrict who
can post follow-ups etc.  It can kinda sorta work like usenet, but it can
also be used for vanity publishing.

Then again, some books have started out as blogs, and at least one TV
series.
-- 
Marc

BT ... is this the only two letter expletive in the English language? - Dave Edwards.

Marc Wilson wrote:
> (Stuart Bronstein) wrote:

>>For some reason blogging never appealed to me.  For the most part
>>it seems so non-interactive.
> 
> LJ *is* interactive, but a lot of it is "me me me".
> 
> You can have "private" content, limited to friends, and can
> restrict who can post follow-ups etc.  It can kinda sorta work
> like usenet, but it can also be used for vanity publishing.

I've been on myspace - sounds very similar.

> Then again, some books have started out as blogs, and at least one
> TV series.

Not likely to happen in my case.

Stu

In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
::

>Marc Wilson wrote:
>> (Stuart Bronstein) wrote:
>
>>>For some reason blogging never appealed to me.  For the most part
>>>it seems so non-interactive.
>> 
>> LJ *is* interactive, but a lot of it is "me me me".
>> 
>> You can have "private" content, limited to friends, and can
>> restrict who can post follow-ups etc.  It can kinda sorta work
>> like usenet, but it can also be used for vanity publishing.
>
>I've been on myspace - sounds very similar.
>
>> Then again, some books have started out as blogs, and at least one
>> TV series.
>
>Not likely to happen in my case.

Oh, I dunno: "Confessions of a poor lawyer."  People would tune in just out
of curiousity.
-- 
Marc

There are no violent gangs fighting over aspirin territories. 
-- Harry Browne (Presidential Candidate, Libertarian Party)

In article ,
 Stuart Bronstein  wrote:

> For some reason blogging never appealed to me.  For the most part it 
> seems so non-interactive.

It is what you make of it. We've met a lot of people from LJ, and even 
went to a recent wedding of two LJ people (who met each other there). 
There are special interest communities. I'm in communities for expats, 
Brits, artists, parents, health concerns, local interests, and even an 
expat food group.

I'm not trying to sell it to you, I'm sure it's not a good choice for 
everyone, but I've encountered plenty of pools of geekdom over there, 
and just about everything else I've seen in this place over the years. 
The angsty teens are the stereotype, but they're easy to ignore.  Again, 
it's what you make of it. Like anything is.

--Susan

-- 
*******
To email, write to Sv2 at llondel dot org
http://www.evilsusan.com/susan/

Marc Wilson's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
following:
>In uk.singles,  (David Reid) wrote in ::
>
>>John Wright's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the
>>following:
>>>
>>>I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course
>>>I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on the
>>>wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>>>
>>Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least your
>>loved ones would be OK?
>
>Pointless.  They don't pay out in such circumstances.

I'm fairly sure they did when my cousin did it. It stuck in my mind 'cos 
I was surprised at the time.

-- 
David Reid        David@disarray.org.uk       http://www.disarray.org.uk

Real men don't need to read instructions.

In message , Stuart 
Bronstein  writes
>Nev Young wrote:
>> Don Whybrow wrote:
>>>
>>> <pedant>
>>> You can't get life /insurance/, you can only get life
>>> /assurance/. Insurance if to protect your family in case
>>> something occurs, assurance is to protect them when it occurs.
>>> Unless you have found immortality </pedant>
>>>
>> Indeed what is generally called "life insurance" is in fact "death
>> insurance". Apparently it doesn't sell as well using that name.
>> Life assurance is really term assurance with life cover.
>
>The amount paid when the insured dies is called the "death benefit."  I
>have always found that to be a curious name - and not completely
>reassuring.
>
The should rename it the "See if I give a f*ck" benefit, because that 
would be my reaction after I'd died, if I could have a reaction.
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

In message , Stuart 
Bronstein  writes
>Marc Wilson wrote:
>> (David Reid) wrote in ::
>>
>>>Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least
>>>your loved ones would be OK?
>>
>> Pointless.  They don't pay out in such circumstances.
>
>Depends on the policy.  Here you can get a policy that will pay out for
>suicide, but there is generally a one or two year waiting period.  Some
>group policies will also pay but without a waiting period.
>
This is a policy for lemmings?

I didn't know you could get insured to commit suicide in groups.
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

In message , Marc Wilson 
 writes
>In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
>::
>
>>Marc Wilson wrote:
>>> (Stuart Bronstein) wrote:
>>
>>>>For some reason blogging never appealed to me.  For the most part
>>>>it seems so non-interactive.
>>>
>>> LJ *is* interactive, but a lot of it is "me me me".
>>>
>>> You can have "private" content, limited to friends, and can
>>> restrict who can post follow-ups etc.  It can kinda sorta work
>>> like usenet, but it can also be used for vanity publishing.
>>
>>I've been on myspace - sounds very similar.
>>
>>> Then again, some books have started out as blogs, and at least one
>>> TV series.
>>
>>Not likely to happen in my case.
>
>Oh, I dunno: "Confessions of a poor lawyer."  People would tune in just out
>of curiousity.

It couldn't be shown over here. The title would breach the Trade 
Descriptions Act.
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

Loretta wrote:

> The should rename it the "See if I give a f*ck" benefit, because
> that would be my reaction after I'd died, if I could have a
> reaction. 

That reminds me of the story of two old guys talking.  One guy asks the 
other about his wife and he responds,

"I think she's dead."

"You think???  What do you mean you think she's dead?"

"Well, the sex is the same, but the dishes are piling up in the sink."

Stu

, Stuart Bronstein :


>
> "Well, the sex is the same, but the dishes are piling up in the sink."
>
> Stu

Oh ! ;-)

Loretta wrote:
> In message , Stuart 
> Bronstein  writes
>> Marc Wilson wrote:
>>> (David Reid) wrote in ::
>>>
>>>> Life insurance so that if you decided to top yourself at least
>>>> your loved ones would be OK?
>>>
>>> Pointless.  They don't pay out in such circumstances.
>>
>> Depends on the policy.  Here you can get a policy that will pay out for
>> suicide, but there is generally a one or two year waiting period.  Some
>> group policies will also pay but without a waiting period.
>>
> This is a policy for lemmings?
> 
> I didn't know you could get insured to commit suicide in groups.


You'd have to ask James Jones about that...

-- 
John Wright

On Oct 10, 3:36 pm, Marc Wilson 
wrote:

> LJ *is* interactive, but a lot of it is "me me me".

Indeed.  Anyone remember this?

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.singles/browse_thread/thread/8325790cb9f1ab04/d4acc5a1aa180890?lnk=st&q=#d4acc5a1aa180890

(Hope the link works!)

Guy

Susan's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring me the 
following:
>
>I'm not trying to sell it to you, I'm sure it's not a good choice for
>everyone, but I've encountered plenty of pools of geekdom over there,
>and just about everything else I've seen in this place over the years.
>The angsty teens are the stereotype, but they're easy to ignore.  Again,
>it's what you make of it. Like anything is.
>
But can you do it offline?

-- 
David Reid        David@disarray.org.uk       http://www.disarray.org.uk
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those
who haven't got it.
   George Bernard Shaw

Marc Wilson wrote:
> In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
> ::
> 
>> Susan wrote:
>>
>>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.
>> LJ?
> 
> LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic discipline
> of usenet.

Anyone here do SL? Janet seems to be addicted to this at the moment. 
Plays havoc with the ADSL usage though.

-- 
John Wright

In message , John Wright 
 writes
>Marc Wilson wrote:
>> In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
>> ::
>>
>>> Susan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.
>>> LJ?
>>  LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic 
>>discipline
>> of usenet.
>
>Anyone here do SL? Janet seems to be addicted to this at the moment. 
>Plays havoc with the ADSL usage though.
>
Don't tell me Sarf Lunnen's got its' own blog now!
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

Loretta wrote:
> In message , John Wright 
>  writes
>> Marc Wilson wrote:
>>> In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
>>> ::
>>>
>>>> Susan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.
>>>> LJ?
>>>  LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic 
>>> discipline
>>> of usenet.
>>
>> Anyone here do SL? Janet seems to be addicted to this at the moment. 
>> Plays havoc with the ADSL usage though.
>>
> Don't tell me Sarf Lunnen's got its' own blog now!

That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know what it 
means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint - its called 
Second Life.

-- 
John Wright

In uk.singles,  (John Wright) wrote in
::

>Loretta wrote:
>> In message , John Wright 
>>  writes
>>> Marc Wilson wrote:
>>>> In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Susan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.
>>>>> LJ?
>>>>  LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic 
>>>> discipline
>>>> of usenet.
>>>
>>> Anyone here do SL? Janet seems to be addicted to this at the moment. 
>>> Plays havoc with the ADSL usage though.
>>>
>> Don't tell me Sarf Lunnen's got its' own blog now!
>
>That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know what it 
>means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint - its called 
>Second Life.

Shit, I've not got time for my first one. 
-- 
Marc

A train stops at a train station, a bus stops at a bus station.
On my desk is a workstation ...

Marc Wilson wrote:
> In uk.singles,  (John Wright) wrote in
> ::
> 
>> Loretta wrote:
>>> In message , John Wright 
>>>  writes
>>>> Marc Wilson wrote:
>>>>> In uk.singles,  (Stuart Bronstein) wrote in
>>>>> ::
>>>>>
>>>>>> Susan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I peek in and read here now and then, but mostly live over on LJ.
>>>>>> LJ?
>>>>>  LiveJournal.  Competitive blogging- without the austere academic 
>>>>> discipline
>>>>> of usenet.
>>>> Anyone here do SL? Janet seems to be addicted to this at the moment. 
>>>> Plays havoc with the ADSL usage though.
>>>>
>>> Don't tell me Sarf Lunnen's got its' own blog now!
>> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know what it 
>> means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint - its called 
>> Second Life.
> 
> Shit, I've not got time for my first one. 

That's what a lot of people say as well!

-- 
John Wright

John Wright wrote:
> Loretta wrote:
>> John Wright  writes

>>> Anyone here do SL? Janet seems to be addicted to this at the
>>> moment. Plays havoc with the ADSL usage though.
>>>
>> Don't tell me Sarf Lunnen's got its' own blog now!
> 
> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know
> what it means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint
> - its called Second Life.

Ah, yes, Second Life.  I've heard so much about it - too much, really.  
I've stayed away from it just because it (I am told) can be so 
engaging.

What I found interesting about it is that some people are making good 
real life money based on their participation in Second Life.  For 
example they acquire things there and then sell them on eBay.  For them 
I imagine it can become their First Life.

Stu

In message , Stuart 
Bronstein  writes
>John Wright wrote:
>> Loretta wrote:
>>> John Wright  writes
>
>>>> Anyone here do SL? Janet seems to be addicted to this at the
>>>> moment. Plays havoc with the ADSL usage though.
>>>>
>>> Don't tell me Sarf Lunnen's got its' own blog now!
>>
>> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know
>> what it means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint
>> - its called Second Life.
>
>Ah, yes, Second Life.  I've heard so much about it - too much, really.
>I've stayed away from it just because it (I am told) can be so
>engaging.
>
>What I found interesting about it is that some people are making good
>real life money based on their participation in Second Life.  For
>example they acquire things there and then sell them on eBay.  For them
>I imagine it can become their First Life.
>
But can you imagine making the same mistakes all over again!
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

Loretta wrote:
> Stuart Bronstein  writes

>>What I found interesting about it is that some people are making
>>good real life money based on their participation in Second Life. 
>>For example they acquire things there and then sell them on eBay. 
>>For them I imagine it can become their First Life.
>>
> But can you imagine making the same mistakes all over again!

Imagine????  That's my life!!

Stu

in message , John Wright
('john@pegasus.f2s.com') wrote:

> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know what it
> means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint - its called
> Second Life.

I haven't finished my first one yet.

-- 
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

        ;; It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
        ;; Voltaire                     RIP Dr David Kelly 1945-2004

Simon Brooke wrote:
> John Wright ('john@pegasus.f2s.com') wrote:
> 
>> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know
>> what it means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint
>> - its called Second Life.
> 
> I haven't finished my first one yet.

Multitasking.  It's all the rage.

Stu

in message , Stuart Bronstein
('spamtrap@lexregia.com') wrote:

> Simon Brooke wrote:
>> John Wright ('john@pegasus.f2s.com') wrote:
>> 
>>> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know
>>> what it means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint
>>> - its called Second Life.
>> 
>> I haven't finished my first one yet.
> 
> Multitasking.  It's all the rage.

For heaven's sake! Men don't multitask. That's womens' work.

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In uk.singles,  (Simon Brooke) wrote in
::

>in message , Stuart Bronstein
>('spamtrap@lexregia.com') wrote:
>
>> Simon Brooke wrote:
>>> John Wright ('john@pegasus.f2s.com') wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know
>>>> what it means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint
>>>> - its called Second Life.
>>> 
>>> I haven't finished my first one yet.
>> 
>> Multitasking.  It's all the rage.
>
>For heaven's sake! Men don't multitask. That's womens' work.

Ahem.  "Women's work".  The Apostropher Royal shall hear of this.
-- 
Marc

"Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like shitting in your pants 
because that's where your asshole happened to be."  ( Andreas Prilop)

Marc Wilson wrote:
> (Simon Brooke) wrote 

>>> Multitasking.  It's all the rage.
>>
>>For heaven's sake! Men don't multitask. That's womens' work.
> 
> Ahem.  "Women's work".  The Apostropher Royal shall hear of this.

Unless, of course, he's referring to the fact that there are women of 
different species, and that multitasking is their job irrespective of 
species.

On the other hand, sometimes it may just seem like there are different 
species of women.

Stu

Simon Brooke  writes
>in message , Stuart Bronstein
>('spamtrap@lexregia.com') wrote:
>
>> Simon Brooke wrote:
>>> John Wright ('john@pegasus.f2s.com') wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's nothing at all to do with Sarf Lunnun. If you don't know
>>>> what it means you don't know what I'm talking about. A quick hint
>>>> - its called Second Life.
>>>
>>> I haven't finished my first one yet.
>>
>> Multitasking.  It's all the rage.
>
>For heaven's sake! Men don't multitask. That's womens' work.
>
Ha ha!
It was said at one of my ICL appraisals that I should work at my ability 
to multi-task, which was a weakness.     I didn't dare tell my female 
appraiser . . .
-- 
Gordon H
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Stuart Bronstein's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring 
me the following:
>
>On the other hand, sometimes it may just seem like there are different
>species of women.
>
Aren't they all a different species?

-- 
David Reid        David@disarray.org.uk       http://www.disarray.org.uk
... and moses had a dog, and fed it and looked after it, and the dog
thought "Is it not wonderful how Moses looks after me: it shows how good
he is: he must be a god."

David Reid  writes
>Stuart Bronstein's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring 
>me the following:
>>
>>On the other hand, sometimes it may just seem like there are different
>>species of women.
>>
>Aren't they all a different species?
>
ITYM "each a differ..."     <OUCH>!
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Gordon H
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In message , David Reid 
 writes
>Stuart Bronstein's best pigeon dodged hawks and farmers' guns to bring 
>me the following:
>>
>>On the other hand, sometimes it may just seem like there are different
>>species of women.
>>
>Aren't they all a different species?
>
Try lifeform...
-- 
Loretta
A smile, a song, and a bucket of lard.

Loretta wrote:
> David Reid  writes
>>Stuart Bronstein:
>>>
>>>On the other hand, sometimes it may just seem like there are
>>>different species of women.
>>>
>>Aren't they all a different species?
>>
> Try lifeform...

Compared to all guys or just you?  ;-)

Reminds me of the story about the woman who broke up with her 
boyfriend:

"You lied to me!  You told me your father was a banker but that he 
died.  Now I find out he embezzled £1,000,000 and he's in prison!!!"

"You call that living???"

Stu

John Wright wrote:
> Loretta wrote:
>> In message <hGv4vcnYHBCHFwD9@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid>, Gordon H 
>> <Gordon@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> writes
>>> Stuart Bronstein  writes
>>>> But I miss this place.  In case anyone's interested, here's an update
>>>> on me and what's going on.  For old time's sake there's a good touch
>>>> of angst, but ultimately that's not an issue.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know all about anxiety attacks, have suffered ever since I had a 
>>> near nervous breakdown at age 25.   It catches up with me, and I just 
>>> start with deep breaths and try relaxation techniques.     What is a 
>>> killer is when folks say "Stop worrying"....
>>>
>> I think "Pull yourself together" was always one of my favourites. Many 
>> people in 1969 seemed to think that was an accepted cure for manic 
>> depression and paranoid schizophrenia.
> 
> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of course I 
> had the experience of a counsellor who was not only completely on the 
> wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
> 

My mother still thinks that way :(

-- 
Steve

steve wrote:
> John Wright wrote:
>> 
>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of
>> course I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only
>> completely on the wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
> 
> My mother still thinks that way :(

Did you buy the insurance?  It seems it's the least you could do for 
your own mother!

Stu

Stuart Bronstein wrote:
> steve wrote:
>> John Wright wrote:
>>> I've had that said to me a lot more recently than then. Then of
>>> course I had the experience of a counsellor who was not only
>>> completely on the wrong track he also tried to sell me insurance!
>> My mother still thinks that way :(
> 
> Did you buy the insurance?  It seems it's the least you could do for 
> your own mother!

I certainly did not. That rather terminated the relationship!

In any case trying to treat an Aspie as an NT with Depression is asking 
for failure. But then in those days no one knew any better.

-- 
John Wright