Spells of sunshine again, but rather less than yesterday, and quite
breezy (Force 3 - 4 westerly).

Looks nice out on Scilly ( www.tregarthens-hotel.co.uk/webcam-harbour.php
) where at around noon it was warmer than any of the stations on the
MetO site in the SE, which must be a bit unusual in July.

Only 1.9mm for the week ending 09:00 this morning, just as well after
the 50.9mm in the 48 hours ending 09:00 on 10th

Very consistent maximum temperatures lately

13th   19.7
14th   19.8
15th   19.2
16th   19.6
17th   19.3 (so far)

Graham
Penzance

"Graham Easterling"  wrote in message 
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> Spells of sunshine again, but rather less than yesterday, and quite
> breezy (Force 3 - 4 westerly).

Yes yes I know.  London: Cloudy cool dull only 16C with showers forecast
DaveR

"Dave R."  wrote in message 
news:K_Gdne_ufd8P2eLVnZ2dnUVZ8vGdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>
> "Graham Easterling"  wrote in message 
> news:1aea3aec-63fd-467a-a64e-58b9e560cf24@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Spells of sunshine again, but rather less than yesterday, and quite
>> breezy (Force 3 - 4 westerly).
>
> Yes yes I know.  London: Cloudy cool dull only 16C with showers forecast

But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
-- 
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

> Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.

Reached 22.8°C on the 15th. Steve in Rockbeare (down the road a bit) 
recorded 23.9°C on the same day.

Dry here with a few sunny spells throughout the day. Felt quite warm and 
humid this afternoon despite having a max of only 21.2°C.

13th  20.8°C
14th  19.4°C
15th  22.8°C
16th  21.5°C
17th  21.2°C

No measurable rainfall since the 11th. Garden and allotment drying out 
nicely. The veggies have all responded well from the rain earlier this month 
after the very dry conditions in June.

Despite the disappointing temperatures and lack of sunshine this month so 
far, the runners and French beans have gone mad, as well as the toms and 
chillies which now require daily picking. Also the vine is loaded with 
small, swelling bunches of grapes and the olive tree is covered in pea-sized 
olives which seem to be growing daily. Now who said we need Med conditions 
to grow these things, it couldn't have been more un-Med like this month and 
yet the crops seem more productive than ever.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

"Col"  wrote in message
news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
> Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
> I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
> -- 
> Col

Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable  1 day we got now,
today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I 
didnt over react and bother mentioning it.
Dave R.

"Dave R."  wrote in message 
news:Aqadnc2Qk6t5KuLVnZ2dnUVZ8v-dnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>
> "Col"  wrote in message
> news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
>> Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
>> I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
>> -- 
>> Col
>
> Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable  1 day we got now,
> today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
> I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I 
> didnt over react and bother mentioning it.

Exactly, not worth mentioning.
You only *ever* talk about the weather when it's bad for you, usually
with reference to how good you perceive it to be in the SW.

Why not just post about your own weather, this fixation you have with
what's going on in the SW is becoming extremely tedious.....
-- 
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On 18 Jul, 06:42, "Col"  wrote:
> "Dave R."  wrote in message
>
> news:Aqadnc2Qk6t5KuLVnZ2dnUVZ8v-dnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>
>
>
> > "Col"  wrote in message
> >news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
> >> Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
> >> I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
> >> --
> >> Col
>
> > Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable  1 day we got now> > today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> > with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
> > I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I
> > didnt over react and bother mentioning it.
>
> Exactly, not worth mentioning.
> You only *ever* talk about the weather when it's bad for you, usually
> with reference to how good you perceive it to be in the SW.
>
> Why not just post about your own weather, this fixation you have with
> what's going on in the SW is becoming extremely tedious.....
> --
> Col
>
> Bolton, Lancashire
> 160m asl

Just for the record the max was 19.2C here when it reached 26C in
parts of the SE.

Graham
Penzance

> today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud

Sun's out here Dave. After a cloudy start it has brightened up and the sun 
is managing to make an appearance. Errr, have we 'got away' with it 
again.....

(11:15), 20.4°C, RH 72%, DP 14.8°C, 1012.1 hPa (S), Wind 6 mph WNW.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

On Jul 17, 10:21�pm, "Dave R."  wrote:
> "Col"  wrote in message
>
> news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> > But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
> > Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
> > I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
> > --
> > Col
>
> Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable �1 day we got now,
> today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
> I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I
> didnt over react and bother mentioning it.
> Dave R.

Learn to make the weather work for you Dave;  How's this for a
business model?
Buy yourself some self catering accommodation in some nice coastal
village nearby.
Install a thermometer screen in the garden, preferably near the house
boiler exhaust,
or even standing above concrete.  Simpler still, just make up nice
warm temperature
readings and post them to this group, remembering to include a link to
your property site.
Readers will think "What a splendidly pleasant spot!" and visit you in
their droves.
Of course you may get some ignorant people who criticise your
readings, and compare
them poorly to a nearby Met Office site.  Your answer then is to post
petulant replies
to the effect that it is the official readings which are incorrect,
and that there is an
ongoing conspiracy by the staff there.   Easy eh?
You'll be no warmer, but you'll soon make enough money to be able to
emmigrate.

Jim
Castle Douglas

"Nick Gardner"  wrote in message 
news:9ZSdnUxkVqDz8h3VnZ2dnUVZ8uWdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
>> with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
>
> Sun's out here Dave. After a cloudy start it has brightened up and the sun 
> is managing to make an appearance. Errr, have we 'got away' with it 
> again.....
>
> (11:15), 20.4°C, RH 72%, DP 14.8°C, 1012.1 hPa (S), Wind 6 mph WNW.
>

LOL

Yes I agree it's lovely at present. OK a lot of cloud up here but it feels 
*warm* due to highish DP and a pleasure to be outside in tee-shirts. Temp. 
17.2C at 1230 DP 14C. I love this time of year in the SW when the sea 
temperature rises and the air feels warm and pleasant from any wind 
direction, balmy and energising, great for sailing.

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
--

Rats. 1310 and it's raining - big drops.
Have to have my lunch inside in the summerhouse now!

Will
--

"Will Hand"  wrote in message 
news:g5pvcf$mlv$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "Nick Gardner"  wrote in message 
> news:9ZSdnUxkVqDz8h3VnZ2dnUVZ8uWdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
>>> with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
>>
>> Sun's out here Dave. After a cloudy start it has brightened up and the 
>> sun is managing to make an appearance. Errr, have we 'got away' with it 
>> again.....
>>
>> (11:15), 20.4°C, RH 72%, DP 14.8°C, 1012.1 hPa (S), Wind 6 mph WNW.
>>
>
> LOL
>
> Yes I agree it's lovely at present. OK a lot of cloud up here but it feels 
> *warm* due to highish DP and a pleasure to be outside in tee-shirts. Temp. 
> 17.2C at 1230 DP 14C. I love this time of year in the SW when the sea 
> temperature rises and the air feels warm and pleasant from any wind 
> direction, balmy and energising, great for sailing.
>
> Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
> -- 
>
>

On 18 Jul, 12:18, souwest...@aol.com wrote:
> On Jul 17, 10:21�pm, "Dave R."  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Col"  wrote in message
>
> >news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> > > But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
> > > Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
> > > I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
> > > --
> > > Col
>
> > Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable �1 day we got now,
> > today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> > with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
> > I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I
> > didnt over react and bother mentioning it.
> > Dave R.
>
> Learn to make the weather work for you Dave;  How's this for a
> business model?
> Buy yourself some self catering accommodation in some nice coastal
> village nearby.
> Install a thermometer screen in the garden, preferably near the house
> boiler exhaust,
> or even standing above concrete.  Simpler still, just make up nice
> warm temperature
> readings and post them to this group, remembering to include a link to
> your property site.
> Readers will think "What a splendidly pleasant spot!" and visit you in
> their droves.
> Of course you may get some ignorant people who criticise your
> readings, and compare
> them poorly to a nearby Met Office site.  Your answer then is to post
> petulant replies
> to the effect that it is the official readings which are incorrect,
> and that there is an
> ongoing conspiracy by the staff there.   Easy eh?
> You'll be no warmer, but you'll soon make enough money to be able to
> emmigrate.
>
> Jim
> Castle Douglas- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

As this is clearly aimed at me, photos of my site are available at
www.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html . Apart from COL I supply
data to other organisations such as Weathernet.

Variances from the norm are based on the Penzance MetO site for
1971-1990, and my site 1991-2000. Roger Brugge was instrumental in
helping me calculate these norms. Over recent years the monthly
variances from the norm are very much in line with other SW stations,
as can be seen in the monthly & annual COL bulletins.

E.g. Taking the whole of 2007 (variances from the norm)
Penzance .4
Lapford     .6
Hay Tor    .4
Okehampton .1
Wells      .4
Kerswell  .5
which would indicate that the readings are reasonable.

I don't actually recall anybody suggesting my readings compare poorly
with MetO figures (until you?). In any case, comparison would be
tricky as there are no MetO sites near sea level on the south Cornish
coast.
However, if you go to XCWeather, Penzance heliport readings can be
seen, which compare well to mine, except when there is a strong sea
breeze in Spring / early Summer.

I take great care in being as accurate as possible, & resent some
arsehole making these sort of comment.

Graham
Penzance

"Col"  wrote in message 
news:48802db4$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com..

> Why not just post about your own weather, this fixation you have with
> what's going on in the SW is becoming extremely tedious.....
> -- 
> Col

Oh do forgive me  i thought I was in uk.sci.weathersouthwest ?
Dave R.

>>I take great care in being as accurate as possible, & resent some
arsehole making these sort of comment.

Well said Graham. I read that post and thought that it was a deliberate 
swipe at you.

You say that Roger helped you calculate the norms. I compare my data to 
Exeter Airport but I am sure there are differences as the airport site is 
more exposed and a little further from the sea. There must be a way to 
'adjust' the long-term Airport data so it acts as a better representative 
for calculating norms for my site. Any suggestions on how you go about this?

Unadjusted comparisons for 2007 here in the Otter Valley with the LTA from 
Exeter Airport :

Min                    Max                     Mean
6.6°C (-0.2C)    16.0°C (+1.7C)   11.3°C (+0.8C)
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

>
> Well said Graham. I read that post and thought that it was a deliberate
> swipe at you.
>
> You say that Roger helped you calculate the norms. I compare my data to
> Exeter Airport but I am sure there are differences as the airport site is
> more exposed and a little further from the sea. There must be a way to
> 'adjust' the long-term Airport data so it acts as a better representative
> for calculating norms for my site. Any suggestions on how you go about this?
>
> Unadjusted comparisons for 2007 here in the Otter Valley with the LTA from
> Exeter Airport :
>
> Min                    Max                     Mean
> 6.6°C (-0.2C)    16.0°C (.7C)   11.3°C (.8C)
> ________________
> Nick.
> Otter Valley, Devon
> 83 m amslhttp://www.ottervalley.co.uk

Nick,

Thanks for your support.

I can't find the original calculations, but in my case it was
relatively easy to arrive at 'norms' For temperature Roger had the
Penzance figures for the 70's & 80's and then we used mine for the
90's.

For rainfall the norm is based on my figures for 1992/2000, and those
for Drift Water works for 1971-1991. We used Drift as it was 2 miles
west of my old station, and only 16 metres higher. During the period
1992 - 1999 the total rainfall at Drift was 99.5% of the rainfall I
recorded, so it seemed a good match. The old Penzance MetO station,
although closer, was nearer the sea front & lower. As a result it
appeared to be around 3% drier.

Will seems to have done a very good job calculating his 'norms' for
Hay Tor, perhaps he's got some suggestions?

Graham
Penzance

On Jul 18, 1:31 pm, Graham Easterling 
wrote:
> On 18 Jul, 12:18, souwest...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 10:21�pm, "Dave R."  wrote:
>
> > > "Col"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> > > > But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
> > > > Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
> > > > I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
> > > > --
> > > > Col
>
> > > Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable �1 day we got now,
> > > today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> > > with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
> > > I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I
> > > didnt over react and bother mentioning it.
> > > Dave R.
>
> > Learn to make the weather work for you Dave;  How's this for a
> > business model?
> > Buy yourself some self catering accommodation in some nice coastal
> > village nearby.
> > Install a thermometer screen in the garden, preferably near the house
> > boiler exhaust,
> > or even standing above concrete.  Simpler still, just make up nice
> > warm temperature
> > readings and post them to this group, remembering to include a link to
> > your property site.
> > Readers will think "What a splendidly pleasant spot!" and visit you in
> > their droves.
> > Of course you may get some ignorant people who criticise your
> > readings, and compare
> > them poorly to a nearby Met Office site.  Your answer then is to post
> > petulant replies
> > to the effect that it is the official readings which are incorrect,
> > and that there is an
> > ongoing conspiracy by the staff there.   Easy eh?
> > You'll be no warmer, but you'll soon make enough money to be able to
> > emmigrate.
>
> > Jim
> > Castle Douglas- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As this is clearly aimed at me, photos of my site are available atwww.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html. Apart from COL I supply
> data to other organisations such as Weathernet.
>
> Variances from the norm are based on the Penzance MetO site for
> 1971-1990, and my site 1991-2000. Roger Brugge was instrumental in
> helping me calculate these norms. Over recent years the monthly
> variances from the norm are very much in line with other SW stations,
> as can be seen in the monthly & annual COL bulletins.
>
> E.g. Taking the whole of 2007 (variances from the norm)
> Penzance .4
> Lapford     .6
> Hay Tor    .4
> Okehampton .1
> Wells      .4
> Kerswell  .5
> which would indicate that the readings are reasonable.
>
> I don't actually recall anybody suggesting my readings compare poorly
> with MetO figures (until you?). In any case, comparison would be
> tricky as there are no MetO sites near sea level on the south Cornish
> coast.
> However, if you go to XCWeather, Penzance heliport readings can be
> seen, which compare well to mine, except when there is a strong sea
> breeze in Spring / early Summer.
>
> I take great care in being as accurate as possible, & resent some
> arsehole making these sort of comment.
>
> Graham
> Penzance- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Although my tongue-in-cheek advice on how we might get Dave R.
to emmigrate was not meant to be concerning any single individual,
I acknowledge that including it in this thread would lead anybody to
assume I was referring to Graham, which I was not, and for that I
unreservedly apologise.
My suspicion of any data or images which purport to show how
nice a given location is arises from a school skiing holiday which
my son took at an un-named Austrian resort 18 months ago.
The 'live' webcam picture of the town square showed a very pretty
picture with deep snow and unbridled Tyrolean joviality.  However,
when I phoned him he reported that there had been only rain in
the town for the past four days, and that the square was dark and
deserted, with only a few patches of grey snow remaining.
The other local webcams showing ample snow on the higher slopes were
genuine.

Apologies again

Jim

"Graham Easterling"  wrote in message 
news:9e2d7fbb-06f8-46dc-84ca-395732e2504e@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On 18 Jul, 12:18, souwest...@aol.com wrote:


>> Learn to make the weather work for you Dave;

>As this is clearly aimed at me, photos of my site are available at
www.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html . Apart from COL I supply
>data to other organisations such as Weathernet.

 From that first sentence, I took that as being aimed at Dave R!
I don't think there was any slur intended on you or any of the
other SW posters.
-- 
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Jul 18, 12:39 pm, "Will Hand"  wrote:
> "Nick Gardner"  wrote in message
>
> news:9ZSdnUxkVqDz8h3VnZ2dnUVZ8uWdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> >> today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> >> with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
>
> > Sun's out here Dave. After a cloudy start it has brightened up and the sun
> > is managing to make an appearance. Errr, have we 'got away' with it
> > again.....
>
> > (11:15), 20.4°C, RH 72%, DP 14.8°C, 1012.1 hPa (S), Wind 6 mph WNW.
>
> LOL
>
> Yes I agree it's lovely at present. OK a lot of cloud up here but it feels
> *warm* due to highish DP and a pleasure to be outside in tee-shirts. Temp> 17.2C at 1230 DP 14C. I love this time of year in the SW when the sea
> temperature rises and the air feels warm and pleasant from any wind
> direction, balmy and energising, great for sailing.

I know what you mean by that along the coast in Southampton - early
September seems to have less unpleasantly cool days than early July,
for this reason I suspect. True, temps >30C might be less common in
early September, but so it seems are temps more than a degree or two
below 20C. There has been a definite tendency - in recent years in
particular - for the end of the summer to be the most consistently
temperately-warm period: without having figures, but just from memory,
in a majority of years most days in the first half of September seem
to reach 20C.

Nick

On 18 Jul, 17:36, souwest...@aol.com wrote:
> On Jul 18, 1:31 pm, Graham Easterling 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 18 Jul, 12:18, souwest...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 17, 10:21�pm, "Dave R."  wrote:
>
> > > > "Col"  wrote in message
>
> > > >news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> > > > > But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
> > > > > Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
> > > > > I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
> > > > > --
> > > > > Col
>
> > > > Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable �1 day we got now,
> > > > today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> > > > with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
> > > > I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I
> > > > didnt over react and bother mentioning it.
> > > > Dave R.
>
> > > Learn to make the weather work for you Dave;  How's this for a
> > > business model?
> > > Buy yourself some self catering accommodation in some nice coastal
> > > village nearby.
> > > Install a thermometer screen in the garden, preferably near the house
> > > boiler exhaust,
> > > or even standing above concrete.  Simpler still, just make up nice
> > > warm temperature
> > > readings and post them to this group, remembering to include a link to
> > > your property site.
> > > Readers will think "What a splendidly pleasant spot!" and visit you in
> > > their droves.
> > > Of course you may get some ignorant people who criticise your
> > > readings, and compare
> > > them poorly to a nearby Met Office site.  Your answer then is to post
> > > petulant replies
> > > to the effect that it is the official readings which are incorrect,
> > > and that there is an
> > > ongoing conspiracy by the staff there.   Easy eh?
> > > You'll be no warmer, but you'll soon make enough money to be able to
> > > emmigrate.
>
> > > Jim
> > > Castle Douglas- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As this is clearly aimed at me, photos of my site are available atwww.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html. Apart from COL I supply
> > data to other organisations such as Weathernet.
>
> > Variances from the norm are based on the Penzance MetO site for
> > 1971-1990, and my site 1991-2000. Roger Brugge was instrumental in
> > helping me calculate these norms. Over recent years the monthly
> > variances from the norm are very much in line with other SW stations,
> > as can be seen in the monthly & annual COL bulletins.
>
> > E.g. Taking the whole of 2007 (variances from the norm)
> > Penzance .4
> > Lapford     .6
> > Hay Tor    .4
> > Okehampton .1
> > Wells      .4
> > Kerswell  .5
> > which would indicate that the readings are reasonable.
>
> > I don't actually recall anybody suggesting my readings compare poorly
> > with MetO figures (until you?). In any case, comparison would be
> > tricky as there are no MetO sites near sea level on the south Cornish
> > coast.
> > However, if you go to XCWeather, Penzance heliport readings can be
> > seen, which compare well to mine, except when there is a strong sea
> > breeze in Spring / early Summer.
>
> > I take great care in being as accurate as possible, & resent some
> > arsehole making these sort of comment.
>
> > Graham
> > Penzance- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Although my tongue-in-cheek advice on how we might get Dave R.
> to emmigrate was not meant to be concerning any single individual,
> I acknowledge that including it in this thread would lead anybody to
> assume I was referring to Graham, which I was not, and for that I
> unreservedly apologise.
> My suspicion of any data or images which purport to show how
> nice a given location is arises from a school skiing holiday which
> my son took at an un-named Austrian resort 18 months ago.
> The 'live' webcam picture of the town square showed a very pretty
> picture with deep snow and unbridled Tyrolean joviality.  However,
> when I phoned him he reported that there had been only rain in
> the town for the past four days, and that the square was dark and
> deserted, with only a few patches of grey snow remaining.
> The other local webcams showing ample snow on the higher slopes were
> genuine.
>
> Apologies again
>
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Jim,

Thanks, glad it's all cleared up

Graham

On 18 Jul, 19:05, Graham Easterling 
wrote:
> On 18 Jul, 17:36, souwest...@aol.com wrote:
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>
>
>
> > On Jul 18, 1:31 pm, Graham Easterling 
> > wrote:
>
> > > On 18 Jul, 12:18, souwest...@aol.com wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 17, 10:21�pm, "Dave R."  wrote:
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> > > > > "Col"  wrote in message
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> > > > >news:487f7aa5_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
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> > > > > > But you got 26C a couple of days ago.
> > > > > > Nothing like that here, or in the SW I would imagine.
> > > > > > I see you didn't bother mentioning that when it happened....
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Col
>
> > > > > Oh big deal Col 26C yeah that was hardly noticeable �1 day we got now,
> > > > > today, its back to being dreadful again and the damn South West got away
> > > > > with it again. But they won't 2morrw laugh out loud laugh out loud
> > > > > I dont include summer as 1 day in my book which is, i would imagine, why I
> > > > > didnt over react and bother mentioning it.
> > > > > Dave R.
>
> > > > Learn to make the weather work for you Dave;  How's this for a
> > > > business model?
> > > > Buy yourself some self catering accommodation in some nice coastal
> > > > village nearby.
> > > > Install a thermometer screen in the garden, preferably near the house
> > > > boiler exhaust,
> > > > or even standing above concrete.  Simpler still, just make up nice
> > > > warm temperature
> > > > readings and post them to this group, remembering to include a link to
> > > > your property site.
> > > > Readers will think "What a splendidly pleasant spot!" and visit you in
> > > > their droves.
> > > > Of course you may get some ignorant people who criticise your
> > > > readings, and compare
> > > > them poorly to a nearby Met Office site.  Your answer then is to post
> > > > petulant replies
> > > > to the effect that it is the official readings which are incorrect,
> > > > and that there is an
> > > > ongoing conspiracy by the staff there.   Easy eh?
> > > > You'll be no warmer, but you'll soon make enough money to be able to
> > > > emmigrate.
>
> > > > Jim
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> > > As this is clearly aimed at me, photos of my site are available atwww.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html. Apart from COL I supply
> > > data to other organisations such as Weathernet.
>
> > > Variances from the norm are based on the Penzance MetO site for
> > > 1971-1990, and my site 1991-2000. Roger Brugge was instrumental in
> > > helping me calculate these norms. Over recent years the monthly
> > > variances from the norm are very much in line with other SW stations,
> > > as can be seen in the monthly & annual COL bulletins.
>
> > > E.g. Taking the whole of 2007 (variances from the norm)
> > > Penzance .4
> > > Lapford     .6
> > > Hay Tor    .4
> > > Okehampton .1
> > > Wells      .4
> > > Kerswell  .5
> > > which would indicate that the readings are reasonable.
>
> > > I don't actually recall anybody suggesting my readings compare poorly
> > > with MetO figures (until you?). In any case, comparison would be
> > > tricky as there are no MetO sites near sea level on the south Cornish
> > > coast.
> > > However, if you go to XCWeather, Penzance heliport readings can be
> > > seen, which compare well to mine, except when there is a strong sea
> > > breeze in Spring / early Summer.
>
> > > I take great care in being as accurate as possible, & resent some
> > > arsehole making these sort of comment.
>
> > > Graham
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> > Although my tongue-in-cheek advice on how we might get Dave R.
> > to emmigrate was not meant to be concerning any single individual,
> > I acknowledge that including it in this thread would lead anybody to
> > assume I was referring to Graham, which I was not, and for that I
> > unreservedly apologise.
> > My suspicion of any data or images which purport to show how
> > nice a given location is arises from a school skiing holiday which
> > my son took at an un-named Austrian resort 18 months ago.
> > The 'live' webcam picture of the town square showed a very pretty
> > picture with deep snow and unbridled Tyrolean joviality.  However,
> > when I phoned him he reported that there had been only rain in
> > the town for the past four days, and that the square was dark and
> > deserted, with only a few patches of grey snow remaining.
> > The other local webcams showing ample snow on the higher slopes were
> > genuine.
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> > Apologies again
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> Jim,
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> Thanks, glad it's all cleared up
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And I apologise for the petulant arsehole comment!!

Graham

"Graham Easterling"  wrote in message 
news:6e116879-5d9b-4807-91a2-900865b3fc1e@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

>
> Well said Graham. I read that post and thought that it was a deliberate
> swipe at you.
>
> You say that Roger helped you calculate the norms. I compare my data to
> Exeter Airport but I am sure there are differences as the airport site is
> more exposed and a little further from the sea. There must be a way to
> 'adjust' the long-term Airport data so it acts as a better representative
> for calculating norms for my site. Any suggestions on how you go about 
> this?
>
> Unadjusted comparisons for 2007 here in the Otter Valley with the LTA from
> Exeter Airport :
>
> Min Max Mean
> 6.6°C (-0.2C) 16.0°C (+1.7C) 11.3°C (+0.8C)
> ________________
> Nick.
> Otter Valley, Devon
> 83 m amslhttp://www.ottervalley.co.uk

Nick,

Thanks for your support.

I can't find the original calculations, but in my case it was
relatively easy to arrive at 'norms' For temperature Roger had the
Penzance figures for the 70's & 80's and then we used mine for the
90's.

For rainfall the norm is based on my figures for 1992/2000, and those
for Drift Water works for 1971-1991. We used Drift as it was 2 miles
west of my old station, and only 16 metres higher. During the period
1992 - 1999 the total rainfall at Drift was 99.5% of the rainfall I
recorded, so it seemed a good match. The old Penzance MetO station,
although closer, was nearer the sea front & lower. As a result it
appeared to be around 3% drier.

Will seems to have done a very good job calculating his 'norms' for
Hay Tor, perhaps he's got some suggestions?

Graham
Penzance
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I used data from Teignmouth and Princetown as a first estimate interpolating 
linearly in distance and height between the two and then fine adjusting 
according to data from nearby Yarner Wood but 100m lower down.

Cheers,

Will
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On Jul 18, 5:46 pm, "Col"  wrote:
> "Graham Easterling"  wrote in message
>
> news:9e2d7fbb-06f8-46dc-84ca-395732e2504e@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On 18 Jul, 12:18, souwest...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >> Learn to make the weather work for you Dave;
> >As this is clearly aimed at me, photos of my site are available at
>
> www.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html. Apart from COL I supply
>
> >data to other organisations such as Weathernet.
>
>  From that first sentence, I took that as being aimed at Dave R!
> I don't think there was any slur intended on you or any of the
> other SW posters.
> --
> Col
>
> Bolton, Lancashire
> 160m asl

Me too