Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very close
to long term average on all three counts (temperature, rainfall,
sunshine)? Assuming at least a few hours a day of sun in the next
three days, no deluges and temps around or just over 20C, I think
there must be a fair chance. It's been a while since I remember a
month which I have perceived as so "average"

Nick

wrote in message 
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> Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
> Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very close
> to long term average on all three counts (temperature, rainfall,
> sunshine)? Assuming at least a few hours a day of sun in the next
> three days, no deluges and temps around or just over 20C, I think
> there must be a fair chance. It's been a while since I remember a
> month which I have perceived as so "average"
>
> Nick

Learnt sommat by being on this newsgroup then - that average Junes in the 
south and I guess the south east as well are evidently pretty lousy affairs. 
Something I never really even reaslised, only a struggling 20C ! my god. 
Must be the early part of the years following 2000 that has caused me to see 
normal Junes as brighter prospects when really they are not. So whats an 
average July? 21C? with evenings closing in lol
DR

> Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
> Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very 
> close
> to long term average on all three counts (temperature, rainfall,
> sunshine)? Assuming at least a few hours a day of sun in the next
> three days, no deluges and temps around or just over 20C, I think
> there must be a fair chance. It's been a while since I remember a
> month which I have perceived as so "average"
>
> Nick


... based on Hurn data (Bournemouth airport) up to this morning, then 
I'd agree with the *temperature* element (+0.1degC/1971-2000 LTA), but 
rainfall is currently 72% of average, and sunshine 117%; the latter 
figure will be boosted over the final days of the month (nothing too 
significant as regards persistent cloud cover expected), and the 
rainfall figure may not be added to too much looking at the latest 
ensemble output.

Martin.


-- 
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N   Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

> Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
> Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very close
> to long term average on all three counts (temperature, rainfall,
> sunshine)?

Here in Devon the only 'average' is the temperature. It seems that sunshine 
has been above average with rainfall being well below average. And with the 
closing days probably having reasonably warm nights, even the temperature 
could end up above the LTA, which is a big surprise given the type of 
weather regime that has dominated this month.

June 2007 was average regarding temperature but opposite to this year with 
regards to rainfall (well above average) and sunshine (well below average).

               Min       Max           Mean             Rain 
Sunshine
June 07   11.1°C 19.6°C 15.4°C (+0.7°C) 135.5 mm 157 hours
June 08* 9.9°C   20.3°C 15.1°C (+0.4°C) 29.6 mm   205 hours
(*1st - 26th).
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

"Dave R."  wrote in message 
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> Learnt sommat by being on this newsgroup then - that average Junes in the 
> south and I guess the south east as well are evidently pretty lousy 
> affairs.
Well, if you enjoy being able to sleep without sweating like a pig, then an 
average June is rather decent. Unfortunately, the 90s and earlier part of 
this decade seem to have skewed a lot of people's perception of what 
"average" actually means! (NB - not a dig, more a comment on the way 15 
years of generally above average summer temperatures has an effect).

> Something I never really even reaslised, only a struggling 20C ! my god.
18.7C for Wye in mid-Kent and 20.2C for Greenwich. (70-2000 averegaes, 
source: MetO 
(http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/index.html)

> Must be the early part of the years following 2000 that has caused me to 
> see normal Junes as brighter prospects when really they are not. So whats 
> an average July? 21C? with evenings closing in lol
1971-2000 July average highs vary from 22.8C in Greenwich to 21.3C in Wye 
and a refreshing 20.1C on the coast at Eastbourne.

On 27 Jun, 16:35, "Martin Rowley"
 wrote:
>
 ... based on Hurn data (Bournemouth airport) up to this morning, then
> I'd agree with the *temperature* element (+0.1degC/1971-2000 LTA), but
> rainfall is currently 72% of average, and sunshine 117%; the latter
> figure will be boosted over the final days of the month (nothing too
> significant as regards persistent cloud cover expected), and the
> rainfall figure may not be added to too much looking at the latest
> ensemble output.

Agreed Martin, up here in the Midlands the average June temperature is
+0.1C on the 30-year average, but will still be our coolest June since
1999, so coldest of the century!

Rainfall is 54% of average and sunshine over 120% of average.

Pretty decent to be honest.

Steve Jackson
Bablake Weather Station
Coventry UK
www.bablakeweather.co.uk

"Steve J" wrote...
<snip>
> Agreed Martin, up here in the Midlands the average June temperature 
> is
> +0.1C on the 30-year average, but will still be our coolest June 
> since
> 1999, so coldest of the century!


... oh Lord! When the 'super soaraway Sun' gets hold of that little 
statistic, we'll never hear the last of it .....

Martin.

-- 
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N   Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

Dave R. wrote:

> 
>  wrote in message
> news:5789e342-fc4a-4049-bf88-5110b9ddb8db@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com..
> .
> > Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
> > Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very
> > close to long term average on all three counts (temperature,
> > rainfall, sunshine)? Assuming at least a few hours a day of sun in
> > the next three days, no deluges and temps around or just over 20C,
> > I think there must be a fair chance. It's been a while since I
> > remember a month which I have perceived as so "average"
> > 
> > Nick
> 
> Learnt sommat by being on this newsgroup then - that average Junes in
> the south and I guess the south east as well are evidently pretty
> lousy affairs. Something I never really even reaslised, only a
> struggling 20C ! my god. Must be the early part of the years
> following 2000 that has caused me to see normal Junes as brighter
> prospects when really they are not. So whats an average July? 21C?
> with evenings closing in lol DR



Average daily max temps for London over an unspecified 30-year period:

May   17
Jun   20
Jul   22
Aug   21
Sep   19

(Source: The Hutchinson World Weather Guide)


Norman
-- 
Norman Lynagh
Chalfont St Giles, Buckinghamshire
85m a.s.l.
(remove "thisbit" twice to e-mail)

wrote in message 
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> Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
> Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very close
> to long term average on all three counts (temperature, rainfall,
> sunshine)? Assuming at least a few hours a day of sun in the next
> three days, no deluges and temps around or just over 20C, I think
> there must be a fair chance. It's been a while since I remember a
> month which I have perceived as so "average"
>
> Nick

Certainly not average wind speeds. A miserable month.

Alan

On Jun 27, 4:19 pm, nick150...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
> Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very close
> to long term average on all three counts (temperature, rainfall,
> sunshine)? Assuming at least a few hours a day of sun in the next
> three days, no deluges and temps around or just over 20C, I think
> there must be a fair chance. It's been a while since I remember a
> month which I have perceived as so "average"
>
> Nick

It's always that mathematical conundrum that "average" is actually
unlikely. To get 3 variables to all end up average at the end of a
period of time is "unlikely" x 3!!

Even at this stage, with only 3 days to go and with temperature,
presently, being bang on average and the other two close, I'd offer
you 50/1 against June's temperature (.0C), rainfall(100%) and
sunshine(100%) all being average in the CET area at the month's end.

Paul

PS Having said that, I agree with completely about the month being so
"average". It could end up the most "average" month ever recorded for
a combination of those 3 variables - and I'm still offering 50/1
against it being average with only 3 days to go!!

On 28 Jun, 08:22, Dawlish  wrote:
> On Jun 27, 4:19 pm, nick150...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > Still three days to go, but in the central south of England (say
> > Hampshire), is this month likely to be noteworthy for being very close
> > to long term average on all three counts (temperature, rainfall,
> > sunshine)? Assuming at least a few hours a day of sun in the next
> > three days, no deluges and temps around or just over 20C, I think
> > there must be a fair chance. It's been a while since I remember a
> > month which I have perceived as so "average"
>
> > Nick
>
> It's always that mathematical conundrum that "average" is actually
> unlikely. To get 3 variables to all end up average at the end of a
> period of time is "unlikely" x 3!!
>
> Even at this stage, with only 3 days to go and with temperature,
> presently, being bang on average and the other two close, I'd offer
> you 50/1 against June's temperature (.0C), rainfall(100%) and
> sunshine(100%) all being average in the CET area at the month's end.
>
> Paul
>
> PS Having said that, I agree with completely about the month being so
> "average". It could end up the most "average" month ever recorded for
> a combination of those 3 variables - and I'm still offering 50/1
> against it being average with only 3 days to go!!

Although temperature's have been close toaverage over much of the UK,
a quick look at www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~brugge/CURR.html shows the same
cannot be said of rainfall. Rainfall % figures range from 42% at St,
Mawgan (Cornwall!!) to 184% at Leeming.

Also, a closer look at temperatures will show the diurnal range much
greater than normal - around 1C greater here in Penzance.

Graham
Penzance

On 28 Jun, 08:16, Graham Easterling 
wrote:
>
> Although temperature's have been close toaverage over much of the UK,
> a quick look atwww.met.rdg.ac.uk/~brugge/CURR.htmlshows the same
> cannot be said of rainfall. Rainfall % figures range from 42% at St,
> Mawgan (Cornwall!!) to 184% at Leeming.
>
> Also, a closer look at temperatures will show the diurnal range much
> greater than normal - around 1C greater here in Penzance.

Hi, Graham and All,
As often happens, CE trend being bucked in the NE England area as you
suggest with the Leeming rainfall.

Copley to 09Z 28th, Mean Max +0.1C Mean Min +0.4C and rising quickly,
Mean +0.2C and rising. Rainfall 109% of month norm, Sun a miserable
70% of month norm.
Ken
Copley, Teesdale, County Durham